WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 12 June

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<v Speaker 1>From the sky in Center. This is Paul Murray Live.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much for watching. A further extension to what

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<v Speaker 1>we've been talking about all night, first with Andrew through Sharion,

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<v Speaker 1>now myself about this flight which has crashed just after

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<v Speaker 1>takeoff after leaving a city in India on its way

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<v Speaker 1>towards Gatwick Airport in the United Kingdom. Now we are

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<v Speaker 1>going to show you what he is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>confronting footage, but this is the context of what took

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<v Speaker 1>place just after the India flight took to the skies.

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<v Speaker 1>Its ultimate height was eight hundred and twenty five feet

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<v Speaker 1>or two hundred and fifty meters. The pilot, who had

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<v Speaker 1>apparently ten thousand hours of flying experience, did make a

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<v Speaker 1>may day call, and as you have heard now the

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<v Speaker 1>best part of two hundred and forty two people, as

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<v Speaker 1>we understand, have passed away have died. One hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>sixty nine are of Indian descent, fifty three from the

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<v Speaker 1>United Kingdom, and we understand eleven children were on board.

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<v Speaker 1>Ian Woods is a reporter who's joining us now at

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<v Speaker 1>Live from London. Because of course both sides of this

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<v Speaker 1>flight is where the tragedy is going to be felt. Aan,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the lightest that you are hearing from your side

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<v Speaker 1>of the travel.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, of course, absolutely tragic news, Paul. We're still waiting

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<v Speaker 2>for information on casualties, reports of bodies having been recovered.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know yet if there are any survivors. We

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<v Speaker 2>know that there were two hundred and forty two people

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<v Speaker 2>on board this plane. One hundred and sixty nine of

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<v Speaker 2>them were Indian nationals, fifty three were Britain's, seven Portuguese

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<v Speaker 2>and one Canadian. Now, as you saw in those pictures

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<v Speaker 2>a short time ago, people in the aviation business, former pilots,

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<v Speaker 2>are already analyzing that very very brief piece of footage

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<v Speaker 2>and coming up with what they think are possible and

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<v Speaker 2>stairs I stress possible, because clearly the flight box data

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<v Speaker 2>has to be recovered. They've got to do an investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>But just looking at those pictures, the flight took off

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<v Speaker 2>around about sort of three and a half hours ago.

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<v Speaker 2>It was supposed to be a nine hour flight, but

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<v Speaker 2>just a minute later it crashed. Now, when you see

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<v Speaker 2>the pictures of the plane taking off half a minute

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<v Speaker 2>into its flight, at this point the undercarriage should be

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<v Speaker 2>retracted within ten to fifteen seconds of the plane leaving

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<v Speaker 2>the ground, the flaps should be deployed on the wings

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to give it lift to enable it

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<v Speaker 2>to get into the sky. Those pictures show that the

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<v Speaker 2>undercarriage the wheels were down as if it was coming

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<v Speaker 2>in for a landing, and there's no evidence of the

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<v Speaker 2>flaps having been deployed to give it that lift. So

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<v Speaker 2>aviation experts are immediately asking questions about is that the

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<v Speaker 2>cause of it. Was it a hydraulics issue which meant

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<v Speaker 2>that the undercarriage could not come up. Was there an

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<v Speaker 2>issue with deploying these flaps, Was it a mistake by

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<v Speaker 2>the crew. All of these things are all in the

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<v Speaker 2>realms of possibility at the moment, but that would appear

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<v Speaker 2>to explain why the plane crashed having reached the height

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<v Speaker 2>of just around two hundred and fifty meters. Now, when

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<v Speaker 2>a plane takes off so soon after lift off, it's

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<v Speaker 2>obviously full of aviation flu around one hundred and forty tons.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why you see the huge ball of flames when

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<v Speaker 2>it came down. The question is did the wings detach

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<v Speaker 2>from the main body of the aircraft when it came down.

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<v Speaker 2>That is why you may get survivability if the wings

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<v Speaker 2>were still attached to the body of the plane. That

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<v Speaker 2>makes it much more dangerous obviously for the people on board.

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<v Speaker 2>And even though we have seen pictures of people been

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<v Speaker 2>taken to hospitals on stretchers, we don't know whether there

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<v Speaker 2>was are passengers on the plane or whether there are

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<v Speaker 2>people on the ground. It came down in a residential

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<v Speaker 2>area at a doctor's hostel, and clearly there are been

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<v Speaker 2>casualties on the ground there as well.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the first time that a Boeing seven eight

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<v Speaker 1>seven Dreamliner has crashed. Again. The information that I was

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<v Speaker 1>able to go in before coming on here was about

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<v Speaker 1>the experience of the pilot supposedly some ten thousand hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you hearing any more either from the company of

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<v Speaker 1>Boeing obviously again the earliest of hours of what will

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<v Speaker 1>be many many months of investigation here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean Boyne are saying nothing at the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously looking into the causes before they speak. But they

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<v Speaker 2>have got a reputation to because the Boeing seven eight

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<v Speaker 2>to seven Dreamliner, which was introduced fourteen years ago, has

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<v Speaker 2>never had a crash. It has flown millions of passengers,

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<v Speaker 2>it has flown a billion passengers and has flown sort

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<v Speaker 2>of millions of flights during those fourteen years and it's

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<v Speaker 2>never had an issue. So clearly this is something which

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<v Speaker 2>is catastrophic, not just for those involved in the crash,

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<v Speaker 2>catastrophic for the reputation of the company and of course

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<v Speaker 2>Air India, but Air India are one of dozens of

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<v Speaker 2>airlines who use the Boeing seven eight seven and its

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<v Speaker 2>three different forms. There's almost twelve hundred in operation right

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<v Speaker 2>around the world. Clearly questions will have to be asked

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<v Speaker 2>about those airliners, whether any further safety checks need to

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<v Speaker 2>be made as a result of what investigators will come

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<v Speaker 2>up with as a result of looking into this crash.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course Gatwick Airport on the edge of London, the

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<v Speaker 1>mainland being Haythrow But inevitably there would have been people

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<v Speaker 1>that have been waiting for people to come off that plane.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously in the hours since May will be heading to

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<v Speaker 1>the airport. What reports are you getting from the paeople

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<v Speaker 1>that are anxiously trying to find out information about what

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<v Speaker 1>has happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's just over midday here in London. The flight

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't due to land at London gap week until five

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<v Speaker 2>thirty in the late afternoon, so unlikely there would have

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<v Speaker 2>been people waiting to pick up passengers at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>But clearly if you have been listening to the radio,

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<v Speaker 2>watching television, seeing what's been happening on social media, and

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<v Speaker 2>you have got somebody on board that plane, you will

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<v Speaker 2>be extremely concerned. Now, what the authorities will always say

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<v Speaker 2>in this case is stay away from the airport because

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<v Speaker 2>it will just add to the chaos and confusion. There

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<v Speaker 2>will be emergency numbers which will be issued to try

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<v Speaker 2>to get people to give to get information about loved ones,

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<v Speaker 2>but clearly there is no point going to the airport

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<v Speaker 2>as it stands at the moment. Now we've just had

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<v Speaker 2>a statement from Prime Minister of Indian orndrum Modi. He

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<v Speaker 2>says that the tragedy and ac Medabad has stunned and

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<v Speaker 2>saddened us. It's heartbreaking beyond words. In this hour, my

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts are with everyone affected by it. We're all by

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<v Speaker 2>bucking and Palace that King Charles has been keptain formed

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<v Speaker 2>and the British Prime Minister A Kiir Steimer has also

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<v Speaker 2>expressed his horror at the pictures that he's been seen

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<v Speaker 2>on television this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you so much. Allan no doubt we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you a little bit later in the night and

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<v Speaker 1>obviously on scott News UK you can see it's full coverage.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you Allan do appreciate it. Torrible news to begin

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<v Speaker 1>our program here with again two hundred and forty two

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<v Speaker 1>people that look like they have died in this plane

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<v Speaker 1>crash which is coming from India on its way to

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<v Speaker 1>Gatwick Airport in the United Kingdom. All right, to the

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<v Speaker 1>other issues in and around today and tonight's program as

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<v Speaker 1>normal that we will continue on with. Obviously, if we

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<v Speaker 1>need to know more, we will talk about it. But

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<v Speaker 1>tonight the plan is to talk about, among other things,

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<v Speaker 1>the relationships that we have with our own neighbors. New

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<v Speaker 1>survey shows just how little contact some generations are actually

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<v Speaker 1>having with different age groups and different people who are

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<v Speaker 1>living near them. Also we're talking tonight is a new

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<v Speaker 1>face for the show, Angie Bell. She's a new shadow

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<v Speaker 1>minister for the Liberal Party. Represents the lmpun around the

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<v Speaker 1>Gold Coast. Now I'll mate Joe Hildebrand and obviously, while

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<v Speaker 1>what's happened when it comes to this plane crash clearly

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<v Speaker 1>is the tragic story of the day, many hearts broken

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<v Speaker 1>earlier in the day upon learning of the death of

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<v Speaker 1>the founder, the heart, the soul and the big big

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<v Speaker 1>brain of the Beach Boys, Brian Wilson, who of course

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<v Speaker 1>passed away today to smaller matters compared to anything to

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<v Speaker 1>do with the events that are taking place on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of the world. But still time moves on,

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<v Speaker 1>and that means that our Prime Minister is most likely

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<v Speaker 1>on a plane himself in the next few days. He'll

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<v Speaker 1>be going off to a thing called the G seven,

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<v Speaker 1>the meeting of the seven most powerful nations in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and a few stragglers that get brought on as well.

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<v Speaker 1>There is some expectation that there will be a meeting

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<v Speaker 1>between our Prime Minister and the President of the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump. Now interestingly, of course, we know how Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is viewed in Australia. We know how it played

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<v Speaker 1>out in terms of our own federal election, which is

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps why we are seeing a rather antagonistic position being

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<v Speaker 1>taken by our government towards the leader of the free world,

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<v Speaker 1>because they disagree on so many issues. Now we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the week that Albanese's Trump G seven meeting is

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<v Speaker 1>apparently in limbo in part as a result of the

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<v Speaker 1>Australian government joining many other nations in sanctioning some of

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<v Speaker 1>the extreme members of the government in Israel. Meantime, we've

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<v Speaker 1>heard that there's a whole bunch of non negotiables that

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<v Speaker 1>go into the potential conversation, including trying to get that

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<v Speaker 1>ten percent tariff removed of all Australian imports along with

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<v Speaker 1>every other country in the world into the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, it's even been referred to as red lines.

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<v Speaker 1>Not the type of stuff that you start to set

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<v Speaker 1>as an expectation of a conversation between the leader of

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<v Speaker 1>the free world theoretically the side on which we are upon,

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<v Speaker 1>on which so much of our domestic military and political future,

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<v Speaker 1>of course has been entwined with over many decades and

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<v Speaker 1>many decades into the future. And certainly we know that

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<v Speaker 1>the relationship that the Prime Minister has put a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more effort into rather than the relationship with the

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<v Speaker 1>new United States President, who of course was elected in

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<v Speaker 1>November and very little communication between now and June. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of June is of the relationship between the

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese government and Australia. Now we know that you couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>dare disrupt the Chinese government, because of course, what will

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<v Speaker 1>they do with Australian trade, what will they do with

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<v Speaker 1>Australian elections, what will they do when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>military provocat provocation? My apologies. So you can see here

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<v Speaker 1>that there is also two very weird views in my view,

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<v Speaker 1>that have started to build amongst Australians about what seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to be the two choices, the United States or China

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<v Speaker 1>as the one that we need to have the better

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with going into the future. I'm going to quote

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<v Speaker 1>a collection of polls, including let's try to compare apples

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<v Speaker 1>with apples, which of course is the situation involving the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. And these are opinions about the United States

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<v Speaker 1>and China that Australians have given when it comes to,

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<v Speaker 1>among other things, the Lowy Institute pole It shows here

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<v Speaker 1>about Australians that do you believe that it is likely

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<v Speaker 1>or unlikely that China will become a military threat to Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>You can see that just forty percent of people in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and nine believe that, only thirty nine percent

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty fifteen, and now seventy five percent after the

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<v Speaker 1>COVID pandemic in twenty two in twenty three and then

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<v Speaker 1>back to seventy one percent of people having that view

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<v Speaker 1>last year at the last pole. So Australians believe that

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one percent of them almost three quarters believe that

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<v Speaker 1>there is a likelihood of military threat not coming from

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<v Speaker 1>the United States but coming from China. But how much

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<v Speaker 1>do you trust the United States to act responsibly in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. That number has gone from a positive of

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eighty two or eighty three percent in twenty eleven

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<v Speaker 1>down to now thirty six percent, with sixty four percent

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<v Speaker 1>of Australians having not much, very little compnfidence in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States ability to act responsibly in the world. We

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<v Speaker 1>also see more polling, this time from the ABC in

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<v Speaker 1>their vote Compass. Now, of course this was a self

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<v Speaker 1>owning survey where you opt in to take it, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't contact you. It says that forty three percent of

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<v Speaker 1>people believe that Australia should be somewhat or much less

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<v Speaker 1>close to the United States, nineteen percent say much less

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<v Speaker 1>close somewhat less close twenty eight percent, with only the

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<v Speaker 1>best part of what seventeen eighteen percent of people believing

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<v Speaker 1>that Australia should be closer to the United States. Compare

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<v Speaker 1>this with China. Australia should deepen its ties with China,

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen percent say absolutely not, eighteen percent somewhat, and then

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<v Speaker 1>those who believe we should deepen our ties with China

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<v Speaker 1>is now the best part of twenty five percent who

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat agree with another seven percent, So thirty three percent

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<v Speaker 1>of people who believe we should be closer to China.

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<v Speaker 1>So help square this circle for me. Seventy percent of

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<v Speaker 1>Australians believe that China is the military threat to Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>but more than thirty percent of Australians believe we should

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<v Speaker 1>have closer ties with China. Now, I don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>be involved in the game of diplomacy. We can just

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<v Speaker 1>see things for what they are and very obviously the

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<v Speaker 1>actual military threat to Australia is not the United States now.

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<v Speaker 1>For too long, yes, Australia has relied essentially on if

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<v Speaker 1>we do the bidding at times of the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>If we lean on them and they lean on us

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<v Speaker 1>for places like military bases in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 1>country like Pine Gap for intelligence or up in Darwin

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<v Speaker 1>as a place to afford to deploy marines, then Australia

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<v Speaker 1>will be in a stronger and better position. But seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>people seem to think that the great difference between what's

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<v Speaker 1>more than seventy percent of people think is the military

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<v Speaker 1>threat is all to do with Donald Trump. Now, I

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<v Speaker 1>am fully fluent in MAGA and I understand all of

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<v Speaker 1>the benefits of Donald Trump, but I also know that

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<v Speaker 1>mine is the minority view in Australia, and this might

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<v Speaker 1>be hard for some people to hear, who think we

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<v Speaker 1>should just be more trumpy all the time. Here's the

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<v Speaker 1>reality of a pole which was done globally by the

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<v Speaker 1>Pure Research Company, and even if they're left leaning, the

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<v Speaker 1>results are still worth talking about. Only voters in Sweden

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<v Speaker 1>have stronger anti Trump views than Australians, who believe that

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<v Speaker 1>the president is unable to understand complex problems, not qualified

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<v Speaker 1>to hold his job, and unlikely to deal with major

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<v Speaker 1>issues such as the wars in Ukraine or Gaza. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>compare how Australia feels about Donald Trump compared to the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the countries that were surveyed. Ninety one percent

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<v Speaker 1>of people in this pole from Australia describe the president

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<v Speaker 1>as being arrogant. Eighty one percent describe him as dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>This compares to the national of the international average of

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<v Speaker 1>eighty percent when it comes to arrogant and sixty five

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<v Speaker 1>percent when it comes to dangerous. In terms of apparently

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<v Speaker 1>Australia's view of Donald Trump when it comes to his

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<v Speaker 1>ability to deal with issues such as the US migrant policies. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously he has a much different position than the open

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<v Speaker 1>borders that produce ten minion illegal immigrants under Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>But apparently just thirty one percent of Australians believe that

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump is the right person to handle things like

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<v Speaker 1>US immigration policies, let alone US China relations, let alone

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<v Speaker 1>issues to do with climate change. Now, regardless of whether

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<v Speaker 1>you like or dislike Donald Trump, whether you think his

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<v Speaker 1>style is too much or not enough, whoever those people

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<v Speaker 1>seem to be, the reality is is that if you

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<v Speaker 1>are faced with two choices, there is only one obvious one,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is the one that still practices freedom, that

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<v Speaker 1>has elections, that actually does not have slave labor to

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<v Speaker 1>produce the technologies that'supp of lebial unlock a renewable energy future.

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<v Speaker 1>A million people are currently being held in slave labor

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<v Speaker 1>camps in China. The legal systems of the United States

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<v Speaker 1>versus China, the governance and democracy of the United States

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<v Speaker 1>versus China, the idea that decades after fighting side by

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<v Speaker 1>side in the Pacific with the United States and with

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<v Speaker 1>the United States and the United Kingdom in Europe, which

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<v Speaker 1>means we are as free as we are today because

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<v Speaker 1>of those actions. To see now that the personality of

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<v Speaker 1>the President of the United States seems to be a

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<v Speaker 1>determinant factor about people knowing which side we should be

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<v Speaker 1>on now again, Australia in many ways sold out to

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<v Speaker 1>China a long time ago when it comes to the

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<v Speaker 1>business leaders who were more than willing to sell their product,

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<v Speaker 1>but of course they handed over power to the CCP

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to strangle that product should we ever

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<v Speaker 1>embarrassed them, and they were the ones to define embarrassment.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, that all happened after Australia wanted consequences after

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<v Speaker 1>a pandemic that killed millions of people and shut down

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<v Speaker 1>our country for the best part of two years. But

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<v Speaker 1>because the president himself of the United States is unpopular

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<v Speaker 1>in Australia, the Prime Minister of Australia is the one

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<v Speaker 1>setting red lines and in some ways looking forward to

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of a confrontation which may play out with

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<v Speaker 1>the US President in the next couple of days. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it is a warm and resetting conversation because

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<v Speaker 1>all of the same concerns that Anthony Aberinezi had about

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<v Speaker 1>the Chinese relationship, he clearly needs to start to have

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<v Speaker 1>about the American one. If our local, state or federal

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<v Speaker 1>elections become about the lesser of two evils, I'll take

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<v Speaker 1>the United States one hundred and fifty times over the

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<v Speaker 1>system of the Chinese Communist Party in Beijing. Now again,

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<v Speaker 1>for those bad actors that will deliberately misinterpret any that

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<v Speaker 1>I've just had to say, Australians know there is a

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<v Speaker 1>difference between the government of China and its people. We

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<v Speaker 1>know there is a difference between the system of government

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<v Speaker 1>in China and people who have historic or family ties

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<v Speaker 1>to China here in Australia. Anyone who suggests anything else

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<v Speaker 1>by criticizing China is of course trying to blur the lines.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course there are many people who just straight

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<v Speaker 1>up hate Donald Trump because they are of the left

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<v Speaker 1>and cannot stand what they believe he is doing negatively

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<v Speaker 1>to their country. They are consuming like a fire hose

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<v Speaker 1>information that is anti Trump all day every day from

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<v Speaker 1>the news media in large parts of Australia, but certainly

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States. Take for example, the events of

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<v Speaker 1>this week and the rioting that has taken place in

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<v Speaker 1>and around Los Angeles. Now, remember, people have been confronted

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<v Speaker 1>who are trying to enforce the law. If you're a

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<v Speaker 1>person who believe the president did the wrong thing by

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<v Speaker 1>pardoning people in January, because in part of their confrontation

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<v Speaker 1>with law enforcement, how does that not apply to the

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<v Speaker 1>people who are confronting law enforcement enforcing the immigration laws

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States. Yet there are people on so

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<v Speaker 1>called mainstream television in the United States who are telling

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<v Speaker 1>you that, even though you can see with your own

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<v Speaker 1>two eyes concrete blocks being hurled from bridges into the

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<v Speaker 1>windscreens of police cars, that if moving, would have killed

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<v Speaker 1>the driver, there's nothing to see here.

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<v Speaker 3>There is no vicious and violent mob in Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 3>The National Guard troops are doing absolutely nothing, the Marines

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<v Speaker 3>are invisible and obviously doing absolutely nothing, and peaceful protesters

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<v Speaker 3>have been peacefully submitting to arrests in small numbers to

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<v Speaker 3>make their point of protest against what Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 3>trying to do in their city.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember last night I showed you one of the protesters

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<v Speaker 1>who was explaining why the Mexican flags were being flown.

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<v Speaker 1>Protesters allegedly protesting against the immigration policies of the American president,

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<v Speaker 1>And of course all of that was because they believed

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<v Speaker 1>that historically Mexico was still including territories such as California. Well, again,

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<v Speaker 1>the same guy who says nothing to see here about

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<v Speaker 1>what you can see with your own eyes is basically

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<v Speaker 1>repeating the central talking point as to why flags of

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico are being flown, that all of it really isn't

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<v Speaker 1>American territory at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump repeatedly today referred to quote rioters bearing foreign flags.

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<v Speaker 3>There were no rioters today, none, but there were Mexican

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<v Speaker 3>flags in a place that was Mexico long before it

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<v Speaker 3>became part of the United States as a result of

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<v Speaker 3>a war the United States chose to wage on Mexico

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<v Speaker 3>in order to obtain that territory.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, with lots of news that has happened, including breaking

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<v Speaker 1>news in and around the program, there's been a few

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<v Speaker 1>things that have been in the inbox this week that

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<v Speaker 1>I want to take some time to clear out because

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<v Speaker 1>they are interesting little nuggets of information that can all

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<v Speaker 1>give us a bit of a better understanding about the

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<v Speaker 1>world in which we live, including the question in and

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<v Speaker 1>around devices and screen time and what that means for

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<v Speaker 1>our kids, what it means for our grandkids, what it

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<v Speaker 1>means for our mates kids or grandkids. Now, the reality

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<v Speaker 1>is that technology is a tool, but also it is

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<v Speaker 1>increasingly like a digital casino full of dopamine, no natural light,

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<v Speaker 1>and the whole aim of the game is to keep

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<v Speaker 1>you there for as long as possible. Now, that's one

0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:39.040
<v Speaker 1>thing if an adult knows that they are in a casino,

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<v Speaker 1>But if they're a kid and they don't know the

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<v Speaker 1>way out, that's when it can become dangerous. The Australian

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic University put some excellent work in this week into

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<v Speaker 1>this talking about children's screen use and the emotional problems

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<v Speaker 1>that fuel each other over time. This was reported by

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<v Speaker 1>The Herald Sun as screen time warning, the bad habit

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<v Speaker 1>driving increasing rates of childhood anxiety and aggression. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>read from the story here and the analysis of the

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and seventeen studies that were covering two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and ninety two thousand children across the world between the

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<v Speaker 1>ages of birth and age ten, revealed excessive screen time

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<v Speaker 1>was increasing children's chances of developing social and emotional problems,

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<v Speaker 1>with video games the main culprit. Now I would suggest

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<v Speaker 1>social media is going to be more in there, but

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get to that in a second. The research found

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<v Speaker 1>that girls were more susceptible to developing socio emotional problems

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<v Speaker 1>with greater screen years, while boys were more likely to

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<v Speaker 1>resort to screens as a way of coping with socio

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<v Speaker 1>emotional challenges. University of Queensland Associate Professor Michael noah Tel,

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<v Speaker 1>who supervised the research, said excusive use of screens and

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<v Speaker 1>any kind could lead to behavioral challenges as it took

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<v Speaker 1>time away from sleep, exercise and social interactions. Now, as

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I've got a ten year old, I've got

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<v Speaker 1>a seven year old, and they love their It's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to pretend that they, when given the choice, wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>love to play a game or muck around with a nap.

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<v Speaker 1>Now again, I'm fine with my kids having their childhood,

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<v Speaker 1>not me trying to pretend that these children have to

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<v Speaker 1>have my childhood. And the reality was my version of

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<v Speaker 1>screen time was the television of which I spent way

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<v Speaker 1>too much time in front of But just how long

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<v Speaker 1>is the right amount of time? Now? I know that

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a parent or a grandparent, sometimes this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>can be a little bit daunting and a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>like remember every few days they'd come up with those surveys.

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<v Speaker 1>One glass of wine a day will save your life,

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<v Speaker 1>one glass of wine a day will kill it. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff can be a little cross purposes. But this

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<v Speaker 1>wide study by the Australian Catholic University gives us some

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<v Speaker 1>insight that you can start to do some sums on

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<v Speaker 1>the kids in your life. Currently, the Australian Institute of

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<v Speaker 1>Family Studies guidelines recommended no screen time for children younger

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<v Speaker 1>than two, no more than an hour of the day

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<v Speaker 1>between two and five. This was increased to know more

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<v Speaker 1>than two hours of sedentary recreational screen time per day

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<v Speaker 1>for children and young people aged five to seventeen years,

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<v Speaker 1>not including their schoolwork. Now, the perfect example here is that,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, there is a period of time where you,

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<v Speaker 1>the parent, are firstly in charge of whether the kids

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<v Speaker 1>have a device at all, and then once the demands

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<v Speaker 1>become that they want to use a device, you, the

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<v Speaker 1>parent or the grandparent are in charge of how much

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<v Speaker 1>they can watch. And yes, if there is a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of screaming and yelling and carrying on as the device

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<v Speaker 1>has removed, then guess what, don't put it back in

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<v Speaker 1>their hand for another couple of days. There is all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of technology that exists now that means you can

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<v Speaker 1>set up your Wi Fi network to literally give you

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<v Speaker 1>access to the Internet for your phone while you're watching

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<v Speaker 1>too many things before you fall asleep in bed, but

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<v Speaker 1>you can turn off the access to data to other devices.

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<v Speaker 1>So literally, in our house, if my daughter is using

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<v Speaker 1>an iPad and we've told them one hundred it's time

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<v Speaker 1>to finish and they don't listen that, we just remove

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet and the device essentially is killed off for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the night. You are in charge of

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<v Speaker 1>these things. Now, I want to take a moment to

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<v Speaker 1>pause to remember the life of Brian Wilson. Brian Wilson,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, is a musical genius, a man who changed

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<v Speaker 1>the world with what he was able to do musically

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<v Speaker 1>via that incredible band, the Beach Boys. Now I could

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<v Speaker 1>sit here all night and for the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>hour play the songs that I love, and I hope

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<v Speaker 1>that this weekend you spend some time listening to not

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<v Speaker 1>just the hits, but the deep cuts. You spend some

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<v Speaker 1>time watching the interviews, and I'll tell you there's a

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<v Speaker 1>specific documentary I think you should go and have a

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<v Speaker 1>look at. But the Beach Boys, of course, perfected surf

0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:47.399
<v Speaker 1>rock in the nineteen sixties, and their incredible work in

0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:50.680
<v Speaker 1>and around pet Sounds spurred the Beetles onto Sergeant Peppers

0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:54.080
<v Speaker 1>and the bands that have all been influenced as a

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<v Speaker 1>result of thinking about music in a completely different way.

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<v Speaker 1>His incredible yet tortured mind is ponsible for incredible songs

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<v Speaker 1>like God only knows, Oh my Gosh, I Get around

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<v Speaker 1>and my personal favorite, which is only about two and

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<v Speaker 1>a half minutes, depending on which cut you can hear,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you can pull it out to about three depending

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<v Speaker 1>on the mix. A fantastic and incredible song that I

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<v Speaker 1>was listening to over and over and over again today,

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<v Speaker 1>thanking the genius that we were able to experience when

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<v Speaker 1>I came to Brian Wilson, and that's the incredible and

0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:49.080
<v Speaker 1>amazing song Do it.

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<v Speaker 4>Again, everybody Ways, show Californian Girls and beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>They told me I could only play fifteen seconds at

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<v Speaker 1>a time. You know I want to play these things

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<v Speaker 1>in full. The layers and layers of music that were there,

0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 1>the essential sort of orchestration around what became pop songs,

0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:18.880
<v Speaker 1>the ability to listen to ten different details at once

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<v Speaker 1>in a really simple song about a car or surfing.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, he couldn't surf, yet of course he

0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:29.040
<v Speaker 1>could understand the experience of surfboards, beautiful cars, and for

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:32.480
<v Speaker 1>his interests, beautiful women. Along with his two brothers, with

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<v Speaker 1>their cousin, and many others that have come and gone,

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<v Speaker 1>the Beach Boys are a legendary band of the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>His genius behind the scenes, as I say, was complicated

0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:47.399
<v Speaker 1>and tortured. If you ever get the opportunity, go and

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<v Speaker 1>find a documentary that he was part of just a

0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:53.760
<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago on the American PBS network, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the American Masters series, where even as he was

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<v Speaker 1>on the verge of his eightieth birthday, explain the simplicity

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<v Speaker 1>of what very complicated sounds begin as what's.

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<v Speaker 3>Your process like Russia?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, start with the background track, They do the background balls,

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<v Speaker 2>they do the leads.

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<v Speaker 1>There is also an excellent documentary which if you have

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<v Speaker 1>a Disney plus you'll be able to see which is

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<v Speaker 1>about the Beach Boys. It's one that talks not just

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<v Speaker 1>about the ups and downs of his personal life, the

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<v Speaker 1>family dynamics, but again the celebration of his genius through music.

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<v Speaker 5>Round Get it around, I Get it around.

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<v Speaker 6>Three brothers, Brian Dennison, carl a cousin, Mike Love and

0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:41.840
<v Speaker 6>our good friend Al Jardine.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a family to me. He's been going toother for

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<v Speaker 1>a really long time.

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<v Speaker 4>Can There really is a great deal of fellowship in

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<v Speaker 4>the group and we've been turn off a.

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<v Speaker 1>Laughing And if you want to share his musical genius,

0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:54.359
<v Speaker 1>then why not choose his favorite song to do it

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<v Speaker 1>with family this weekend?

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<v Speaker 4>Do you have an all time favorite Brian Wilsons California Girls.

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<v Speaker 1>I always tell people that California Girls in my favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>Why because it's just got that beat shuffle bit.

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<v Speaker 3>I like him.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, these girls are hit by really those styles. Beware

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<v Speaker 4>Ryan Wilson and the Beach Boys songs he wrote about

0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:27.600
<v Speaker 4>gorgeous girls and suntan surfers and cool cars made the

0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:30.520
<v Speaker 4>whole world fall in love with California.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you and goodbye to Brian Wilson. What a phenomenal talent.

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<v Speaker 1>Enjoy his music forevermore or in a secure on Poe

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<v Speaker 1>before we get to that conversation including Whom's winner and

0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:47.320
<v Speaker 1>loser of the week. The latestur when it comes to

0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:49.840
<v Speaker 1>this plane crash which has happened in the past couple

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:53.680
<v Speaker 1>of hours in India. We have got a statement from

0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:56.720
<v Speaker 1>the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom because of course

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<v Speaker 1>this was a flight coming from India to the UK.

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<v Speaker 1>There are at least three flights a week that are

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<v Speaker 1>direct between the airport where this flight has taken off.

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<v Speaker 1>Only got two hundred and fifty meters into the air

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:11.600
<v Speaker 1>before crashing. Two hundred and forty two people on board,

0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:15.440
<v Speaker 1>the assumption being that we don't know whether anyone has survived.

0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:18.800
<v Speaker 1>One hundred and sixty nine people are Indian citizens, fifty

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<v Speaker 1>three are from the UK and eleven children are on board.

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<v Speaker 1>Keir Starmer, the UK Prime Minister, says the scenes emerging

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<v Speaker 1>of a London Band plane carrying many British nationals crashing

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<v Speaker 1>in the Indian city of Amenabad are devastating. I've been

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<v Speaker 1>kept updated as the situation develops, and my thoughts are

0:29:35.880 --> 0:29:39.440
<v Speaker 1>with the passengers and their families at this deeply distressing time.

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<v Speaker 1>So obviously we will hear more, including when he gets

0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:44.400
<v Speaker 1>in front of a microphone or camera, and more information

0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:47.080
<v Speaker 1>from the UK as that takes place. But again, strength

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 1>and love to all of the families involved, no matter

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 1>where they are on either side of the flight or

0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:54.240
<v Speaker 1>obviously all the way around the world. Now let's talk

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 1>about the smaller issues of the world, which are often

0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Australian politics and a whole lot more. We're two very

0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:00.560
<v Speaker 1>big brain and beautiful people, none of them wonderful. Joe

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:03.040
<v Speaker 1>Hildebrand here in the man cake. Good evening, sir, how

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:05.560
<v Speaker 1>I am ill, I'm lovely to see you. And Andrew Bella

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:07.840
<v Speaker 1>is a member of the Shadow Ministry in the Federal

0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:10.320
<v Speaker 1>opposition and she lives in and around God's Country otherwise

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:13.400
<v Speaker 1>known as the Gold Coast. How Angie, Nice to see.

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<v Speaker 5>It, mate, fantastic, Paul, Thanks for having me so.

0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:19.920
<v Speaker 1>I want to not get into the will heel won't

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<v Speaker 1>They meeting in and around Donald Trump and Anthony Albernezi again, Well,

0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm no fan of ALBO. I want the best possible

0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 1>relationship between the United States and Australia. I hope there

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:31.320
<v Speaker 1>is an opportunity for a meeting. I hope that everyone

0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 1>can charm the pants off each other and things start

0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:35.640
<v Speaker 1>to move in the right direction. But I wanted to

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit about where I was at the

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 1>start of the show, which is how the hell did

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 1>we get here when seventy percent of the country believed

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 1>that the military threat to Australia would be China, but

0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:48.160
<v Speaker 1>thirty percent of Australians say we should have closer ties

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 1>with China, while a very significant number of people say

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 1>we need to pull back from the United States, principally

0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 1>because of the personality of their president. I say, for

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<v Speaker 1>the four hundredth time, I am talking about the CCP,

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:03.160
<v Speaker 1>not the Chinese people. I'm talking about the government in Beijing,

0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:06.400
<v Speaker 1>not the diaspora that might be in Australia. But Joe,

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:09.360
<v Speaker 1>it's not a choice of a less of two evils.

0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 1>And I understand the diplomacy the Prime Minister needs to play,

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 1>but about these pole results, we've got to be on

0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 1>the side of the American absolutely.

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:16.440
<v Speaker 3>We do.

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<v Speaker 7>Look, America is our oldest ally, America is the reason

0:31:19.440 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 7>why Japan didn't invade. I don't want to get into

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:23.240
<v Speaker 7>debates about the Brisbane line.

0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:25.280
<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, don't talk about the queens anyway,

0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:29.160
<v Speaker 1>don't talk to the queen's landline. But point B, we

0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:30.120
<v Speaker 1>need America.

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<v Speaker 7>Without the USA, we basically don't exist in the Asia Pacific.

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:38.000
<v Speaker 7>We need to be so intertwined with them that effectively

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:40.040
<v Speaker 7>any attack on us is an attack on them. That

0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:42.600
<v Speaker 7>is why we have their troops stationed in Darwin. That

0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:45.160
<v Speaker 7>is why we let them monitor the solar system in

0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:49.440
<v Speaker 7>Pine Gap. And that's why we went to war with

0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:53.160
<v Speaker 7>them in Vietnam when Britain didn't go to war with

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 7>them in Vietnam. That's why we went to war with

0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 7>them in Iraq when France, their oldest ally, didn't go

0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:00.800
<v Speaker 7>to war with them in Iraqs. So I think it's

0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:03.360
<v Speaker 7>pretty poor form for the Americans to now try to

0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:06.160
<v Speaker 7>use that alliance as a political football. And I don't

0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 7>like what Donald Trump is doing at all. However, Orcus

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:13.520
<v Speaker 7>is going to last for decades. Donald Trump is going

0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:17.120
<v Speaker 7>to last for three and a bit years. We need

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:20.640
<v Speaker 7>to think much much more long term and strategically than

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:22.480
<v Speaker 7>about people saying, oh, I don't really like Donald Trump,

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 7>so maybe we should just hang out with China Jijiping.

0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 7>I promise he was going to be around for a

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:29.160
<v Speaker 7>lot longer than Donald Trump, and even when he does go,

0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:31.360
<v Speaker 7>he'll probably be replaced with someone just as bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Angie, you know the trip wire that has now been

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 1>created around in part some of this conversation politically. But

0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:39.360
<v Speaker 1>let's just deal with the reality here that we always

0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 1>keep being told that regardless of whether we like a

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:43.800
<v Speaker 1>prime minister in this country or dislike a president in

0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 1>the United States, the relationship must be more important than

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:49.880
<v Speaker 1>the people involved in it. That said, it does feel like,

0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's political advantage to both of them to

0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:54.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of treat each other poorly at the moment, and

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:58.640
<v Speaker 1>I think that is to the collective dissatisfaction of the

0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:01.520
<v Speaker 1>Western world and our little pocket of it. We need

0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 1>a close relationship, not red lines and demands between these

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:06.440
<v Speaker 1>two leaders.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I think we all agree on these points, Paul

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 6>and Joe. Great to be on the show with you.

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 6>It's so important our strategic partnership with the United States.

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 6>And what this story in the newspaper did outline is

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:25.720
<v Speaker 6>that the majority of Australians do believe that our relationship

0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:29.240
<v Speaker 6>with the United States is way more important than one

0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:33.080
<v Speaker 6>prime minister and one president in history, and our relationship

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:35.240
<v Speaker 6>does go way back. We have gone to war with

0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:37.040
<v Speaker 6>the United States of America.

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:38.720
<v Speaker 5>We have had each other's backs for.

0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:41.160
<v Speaker 6>A long time and now we do have the Orchest

0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:44.320
<v Speaker 6>Agreement in place that the United States is looking at

0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:48.000
<v Speaker 6>now reviewing. I would say that this is never more

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:50.840
<v Speaker 6>important than ever in our history that the Prime Minister

0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:54.680
<v Speaker 6>does secure a meeting with the President at the G seven.

0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:58.719
<v Speaker 6>This is a matter of utmost importance for our relationship

0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:02.680
<v Speaker 6>to continue. But most importantly we do have that close

0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:06.400
<v Speaker 6>relationship with the United States, and Australians understand and Americans

0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:10.160
<v Speaker 6>understand that it's bigger than two men or maybe one

0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:12.440
<v Speaker 6>day women in the White House and here in.

0:34:12.400 --> 0:34:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Canberra fingers crossed, Fingers crossed. Now let's talk about a

0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:20.319
<v Speaker 1>situation involving Queensland and what is called Jack's Law. And

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 1>this is greater abilities for the police to be able

0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:29.560
<v Speaker 1>to search people for knives, to do it without warrant,

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:31.160
<v Speaker 1>to do it in a street, to be able to

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:34.200
<v Speaker 1>do it perhaps even in a family home. Now here

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:36.440
<v Speaker 1>in part is the explanation for it from Queensland.

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<v Speaker 8>We have a scourge in Queensland, right across Queensland and

0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:42.760
<v Speaker 8>a culture of young people carrying knives and we're sending

0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:45.760
<v Speaker 8>a clear message today that if you carry a knife

0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:48.880
<v Speaker 8>unlawfully that the police now have the power to catch

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:50.360
<v Speaker 8>you and put you before the court.

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Dan's a good man and a good minister. To me,

0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:55.719
<v Speaker 1>it seems like a no brainer. I remember our experience

0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:58.879
<v Speaker 1>when we're in to Woomba and you doing a show,

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 1>is that you were asked by police if they could

0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 1>if they could perform the wand test on you. The

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 1>laws now change that to make it essentially one where

0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:11.480
<v Speaker 1>it can be demanded of you. I think this is

0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:14.520
<v Speaker 1>pretty simple. If you've never carried a knife, then in

0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:17.920
<v Speaker 1>the same way when you get pulled over for driving tests,

0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 1>you know you're not going to fail. So what's the

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:25.040
<v Speaker 1>problem here, Well, Paul.

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:26.759
<v Speaker 6>I know the bees Le's, I've met them quite a

0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:29.200
<v Speaker 6>few times and it's their advocacy really that has got

0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:32.360
<v Speaker 6>the Chrystophually government to where it is with these knife laws.

0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:34.239
<v Speaker 6>I think they are right and they are proper and

0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:37.440
<v Speaker 6>I congratulate Dave Chrystopauley and the LMP here in Queensland

0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 6>for implementing them. It's time that victims' rights were put

0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:46.560
<v Speaker 6>ahead of perpetrators' rights, and these are good laws and

0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:49.799
<v Speaker 6>their necessary laws and it's a big problem across Queensland

0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 6>and I'm sure other states as well. I know New

0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:54.239
<v Speaker 6>South Wales has also put their laws in place. So

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:58.320
<v Speaker 6>this is about time. It's right and well done to

0:35:58.360 --> 0:35:59.200
<v Speaker 6>Queensland government.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah of these things and you know, look the libertarian

0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 1>in me always you know these little moments where reality

0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:07.200
<v Speaker 1>clashes against what seems to be a good idea to

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:09.320
<v Speaker 1>say out a barbecue. But you know how you often

0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:12.080
<v Speaker 1>will hear sort of say the Greens turn around and say, oh,

0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:15.239
<v Speaker 1>sniffer dogs at the drug parties are terrible because they

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:18.560
<v Speaker 1>might find people with drugs and that makes people anxious

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:20.920
<v Speaker 1>who are taking drugs. Well, i'm sorry if you've got

0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:23.600
<v Speaker 1>a knife. And there is this, and there is increasingly

0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:26.000
<v Speaker 1>this being used as the weapon of choice. We know

0:36:26.040 --> 0:36:29.600
<v Speaker 1>the machitty situation in Victoria. If this helps the police

0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:33.000
<v Speaker 1>stop a single person being heard, then I can't see

0:36:33.040 --> 0:36:34.920
<v Speaker 1>where it's going to be used to claim. Is it's

0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:37.319
<v Speaker 1>just going to be used to annoy people that they

0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:38.120
<v Speaker 1>want to annoy.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I remember when people who broke the law were tough.

0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:42.880
<v Speaker 7>They didn't fall back up their civil limites and.

0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Say you're going to be a drug dealer.

0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:48.160
<v Speaker 2>At least, you know, I rock up to that music.

0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Festival and own it. Roll the dice, Roll the dice. Son. Look,

0:36:52.320 --> 0:36:55.279
<v Speaker 1>I think this sends your complaints to somewhere. Yeah, exactly right.

0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:57.680
<v Speaker 7>But I think he's a no brain and his hath

0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:00.200
<v Speaker 7>Wales's police, I think have asked it already, I believe

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 7>received or certainly being reviewed similar laws. It's in stark contrast,

0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:08.240
<v Speaker 7>I think to the Victorian government's approach, where they actually

0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:11.279
<v Speaker 7>blame the implement itself rather than the person who's carrying

0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 7>It's like, does a sign to arrest the machetes at

0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:19.120
<v Speaker 7>the source, stop the machete before it attacks again.

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<v Speaker 1>There are whereas you've got queens.

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<v Speaker 7>People said, well, no, if someone's actually carrying a blade

0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:25.799
<v Speaker 7>on a street, and of course these knives would still

0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:29.759
<v Speaker 7>be easily accessible in Victoria or elsewhere. If we're suspicious

0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:31.320
<v Speaker 7>of someone, of course you have to be able to

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:34.120
<v Speaker 7>There is nothing progressive, there is nothing left wing, and

0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 7>it always blows my mind that some lefties seem to

0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:40.480
<v Speaker 7>think so about allowing crime and criminals to run rampant

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:44.080
<v Speaker 7>on the street. They always affect the most vulnerable and

0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:46.920
<v Speaker 7>most disadvantaged communities. It is always the most vulnerable and

0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:49.440
<v Speaker 7>disadvantaged people. The people who left should be defending who

0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:51.600
<v Speaker 7>are the most likely to be victims of this kind

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:53.960
<v Speaker 7>of violent crime. So, for the love of God, defend

0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:56.200
<v Speaker 7>them and protect them instead of the perpetrator.

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<v Speaker 1>In the next thing, we're gonna have a chat about

0:37:57.960 --> 0:38:02.600
<v Speaker 1>the future Liberal Party, particularly out to younger voters. But Angie,

0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:05.600
<v Speaker 1>we see today that at a schools summit, which I

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:08.560
<v Speaker 1>think was being held by the Age the Catholic schools

0:38:08.600 --> 0:38:09.920
<v Speaker 1>have come forward to say they want to go back

0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 1>to basics, to reintroduce discipline into the classroom. The OECD

0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:15.920
<v Speaker 1>has already shown we have some of the most disruptive

0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:19.160
<v Speaker 1>classrooms in the Western world. But we also know we've

0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:21.640
<v Speaker 1>spent hundreds of billions of dollars supposedly trying to improve

0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:24.640
<v Speaker 1>our education system, but the results keep going backwards, to

0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:27.040
<v Speaker 1>the extent where a third of primary school kids, a

0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 1>third of high school kids the basics they're not meeting

0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:32.200
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to those napland tests. We just went

0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:35.279
<v Speaker 1>through a federal election where no one was talking about this,

0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:38.120
<v Speaker 1>that the future of the country and a third of

0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:41.480
<v Speaker 1>it that is currently in school is not meeting the basics.

0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:47.759
<v Speaker 1>Why can't. We have a multiple week long results focused

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:51.279
<v Speaker 1>debate around education in this country and it just sort

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:53.600
<v Speaker 1>of pops up. We all agree that something should change,

0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:54.760
<v Speaker 1>and then nothing does.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 6>I think a return to explicit instruction is really important.

0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:02.920
<v Speaker 6>And as part of the answer, as you say, we've

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:06.000
<v Speaker 6>been pouring billions and billions of dollars into education, and

0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:08.440
<v Speaker 6>that plan results are going down the toilet.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think it is important remember back, Paul.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not sure exactly of your age, but I remember

0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:14.439
<v Speaker 6>when I was in high school.

0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:16.120
<v Speaker 5>It's certainly all about learning.

0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:18.840
<v Speaker 1>By rote you you will never.

0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:20.719
<v Speaker 5>You know, we know what our twelve times tables are.

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<v Speaker 1>You will never offered me by guessie. Yeah, the answer

0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:25.520
<v Speaker 1>is I went to school at the age is un

0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:29.080
<v Speaker 1>forty six, so we're banging around the same time. And

0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:31.880
<v Speaker 1>it was it was wrote learning, it was timestables, it

0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:35.080
<v Speaker 1>was foundation writing was about as fancy as it got. Yep.

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely, and you remember those times tables most of the time,

0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:43.360
<v Speaker 6>even as you get older. So I think explicit instruction

0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:46.840
<v Speaker 6>really is important. It's a way that students can remember

0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:50.000
<v Speaker 6>what they've learned, rather than this sort of learning by

0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:53.319
<v Speaker 6>experimenting with an idea and then perhaps coming up with

0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:55.759
<v Speaker 6>what the solution is, or perhaps not so.

0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:57.640
<v Speaker 5>I think going back to explicit.

0:39:57.320 --> 0:40:01.320
<v Speaker 6>Instruction in maths, in arithmetic, in writing, in those areas

0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:03.880
<v Speaker 6>reading as well. It's so very important that we just

0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:07.520
<v Speaker 6>get back to basics. Say the other thing that you mentioned,

0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:08.279
<v Speaker 6>I was.

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<v Speaker 7>Going to say, and the good news is that's actually happening.

0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:14.920
<v Speaker 7>And the Education Minister, Jason Claire is all in on this,

0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:15.480
<v Speaker 7>all in.

0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:18.040
<v Speaker 1>On direct So when do we see something takes a

0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:20.160
<v Speaker 1>long time. He's been around for three years. All the

0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:24.560
<v Speaker 1>states are labor. Yeah, yeah, but you.

0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:25.239
<v Speaker 7>Have but to change the way you teach that you

0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:27.400
<v Speaker 7>actually have to change the way you teach teachers.

0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:28.560
<v Speaker 1>So you have to put.

0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:31.360
<v Speaker 7>All that in the curriculum, not of the classroom, but

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:34.600
<v Speaker 7>of the actual teaching degree, so that teachers are graduating

0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:37.640
<v Speaker 7>learning how to use these new which are actually old.

0:40:37.680 --> 0:40:39.319
<v Speaker 1>When do we see something in the end five teen

0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:39.680
<v Speaker 1>two years?

0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:41.920
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, look, I wait for a whole twelve. It

0:40:41.920 --> 0:40:44.000
<v Speaker 7>will take a few years, but it is already happening.

0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:46.799
<v Speaker 7>And also teachers in the classroom already in the best,

0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:51.080
<v Speaker 7>the highest performing schools, public schools included, they are already

0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:53.720
<v Speaker 7>doing exactly this sort of stuff. And that's why they're performing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well representing the Prime Minister, the Minister, especially in the

0:40:57.040 --> 0:40:59.279
<v Speaker 1>great public Book. Ye K, there we go, all right,

0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:01.840
<v Speaker 1>quick break back, more preay to talk about, including wins

0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 1>and losers of the week. One a second here on

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<v Speaker 1>Pulmurray Lit. Thanks for watching, Thank you so much. In

0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:13.000
<v Speaker 1>conversation with the wonderful Joe Hildebrand and Angie Bell, who's

0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:16.680
<v Speaker 1>shadow minister in Susin Lai's shadow Cabinet. Now, Angie, we've

0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:19.080
<v Speaker 1>spoken on the show before, and I really am looking

0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:21.960
<v Speaker 1>forward to more conversations with your good self and a

0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 1>few other newer faces as part of the frontline of

0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:27.719
<v Speaker 1>what the coalition's trying to do, because the reality is

0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:29.160
<v Speaker 1>if they keep doing the same things, they're going to

0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:31.560
<v Speaker 1>get the same results. And we know that we had

0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:33.840
<v Speaker 1>the conversation with Nick Kta earlier in the week about

0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:37.120
<v Speaker 1>jen Z and about how they're disquiet is not something

0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:39.359
<v Speaker 1>to eye roll at. It's to actually try to come

0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:42.880
<v Speaker 1>up with policy solutions for and for those of us

0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:45.279
<v Speaker 1>that are sitting at around our age in gen X.

0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:49.160
<v Speaker 1>It's the opportunity for us to not just assume that

0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:52.320
<v Speaker 1>all knowledge is known of previous generations and previous ways

0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:55.319
<v Speaker 1>of doing it. So what's your thought about how the

0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:57.480
<v Speaker 1>other side of politics can get back into it the

0:41:57.560 --> 0:41:59.920
<v Speaker 1>very least a choice for younger votes.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I think you're right, it is important that we

0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:08.520
<v Speaker 6>connect with younger voters. Over the last a couple of weeks,

0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:10.719
<v Speaker 6>I've had at least four round tables with young people.

0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:13.080
<v Speaker 6>I am the Shadow Minister for Youth and was also

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:16.480
<v Speaker 6>in the last parliament, and I've delivered three Gold Coast

0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:19.120
<v Speaker 6>Youth Impact summits actually, and the third one was just

0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:21.920
<v Speaker 6>last Friday, And so I feel like I'm very much

0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:25.000
<v Speaker 6>in touch with young people on the Gold Coast and.

0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:26.920
<v Speaker 5>Listening to their concerns.

0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:29.279
<v Speaker 6>Just today I had a round table with Miami High

0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:32.239
<v Speaker 6>School here on the Gold Coast where young people outline

0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:36.480
<v Speaker 6>that they're concerned about housing and asked about solutions around

0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:39.440
<v Speaker 6>housing and moving forward. So I think that we do

0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:43.319
<v Speaker 6>need to interpret our values to young people, or they

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:46.239
<v Speaker 6>need to interpret our values in a new way, in

0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:49.080
<v Speaker 6>a contemporary way, and we need to be relevant to

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:52.000
<v Speaker 6>their needs. So we need to listen very closely to

0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:53.960
<v Speaker 6>young people. They have a lot to give, they have

0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:57.920
<v Speaker 6>a lot to contribute to our society, and there are

0:42:58.040 --> 0:43:00.560
<v Speaker 6>some fantastic young people around the country that I've come

0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:02.680
<v Speaker 6>into contact with over the last few years.

0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:03.520
<v Speaker 5>In the portfolio.

0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:05.600
<v Speaker 6>I think the other thing, Paul that's really important the

0:43:05.640 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 6>highlight is that Susan Lee has elevated youth into Cabinet

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:13.600
<v Speaker 6>along with the Environment Portfolio with myself and so young

0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:17.480
<v Speaker 6>people will have a loud voice in the shadow Cabinet

0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:19.760
<v Speaker 6>and I think that's really important moving forward.

0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:22.440
<v Speaker 5>I think also my colleagues agree with that.

0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:25.040
<v Speaker 6>That we need to reconnect with young people and we

0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:29.239
<v Speaker 6>need to outline what our values are. We also need

0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:33.520
<v Speaker 6>to explain to them in easy speak how bad some

0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:36.200
<v Speaker 6>of Labour's policies are and some of the Greens policies

0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:40.680
<v Speaker 6>are as well, but particularly Labour's super tax and how

0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:44.080
<v Speaker 6>that will impact young people because a twenty year old

0:43:44.080 --> 0:43:46.319
<v Speaker 6>today who was on an average wage, by the time

0:43:46.320 --> 0:43:49.960
<v Speaker 6>they're sixty, they will be impacted by this terrible super

0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:53.280
<v Speaker 6>tax that Labor has come up with that will impact

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:56.200
<v Speaker 6>all young people across the country. Because it's up to

0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:58.760
<v Speaker 6>us to really explain that to them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because Joe, again, part of what Angie's talking about,

0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:05.279
<v Speaker 1>part of what Nick was writing about, which is yeah,

0:44:05.320 --> 0:44:09.279
<v Speaker 1>there is great generational difference between our parents, grandparents, the

0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:12.160
<v Speaker 1>Howard years, where we sit now and where the future

0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:15.200
<v Speaker 1>may be, and philosophically like, I don't want a country

0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:17.200
<v Speaker 1>that is dependent on government, right, I don't want that

0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:20.880
<v Speaker 1>triangle of dependency where either your work for government, handout

0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:23.399
<v Speaker 1>from government, or the biggest client is government and we're

0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:26.880
<v Speaker 1>slowly managing the client. Now, obviously it's not just about

0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:30.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, how you present yourself. It's about the ideas.

0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:33.799
<v Speaker 1>It's about actually engaging and I think you know at

0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:37.799
<v Speaker 1>the moment, yes, youth is often to the left, but

0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:40.600
<v Speaker 1>in the same way that the right doesn't own strength,

0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:43.760
<v Speaker 1>the left doesn't own compassion, and the assumption that only

0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:46.239
<v Speaker 1>the left can communicate with people under the age of

0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:47.920
<v Speaker 1>forty not true.

0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:50.720
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's absolutely right. I would firstly like to award

0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:53.759
<v Speaker 7>Angie the Sir Humphrey Apple Be Medal for courage for

0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:57.319
<v Speaker 7>trying to get young people excited about superannuation, because I

0:44:57.360 --> 0:45:01.120
<v Speaker 7>cannot even get myself excited about I'm almost old enough

0:45:01.160 --> 0:45:04.960
<v Speaker 7>to receive it. So but yeah, look, it is a

0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:07.040
<v Speaker 7>really difficult one. I think of two people when I

0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:08.840
<v Speaker 7>think about this issue. I think of John Howard and

0:45:08.840 --> 0:45:11.600
<v Speaker 7>I think of Donald Trump, John Howard. I'm old enough

0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:15.520
<v Speaker 7>to remember people were talking about this incredible shift of

0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:19.400
<v Speaker 7>young voters to the Coalition in the sort of heyday

0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:21.959
<v Speaker 7>of John Howard's government. And it wasn't because they thought

0:45:21.960 --> 0:45:24.440
<v Speaker 7>he was cool or because they thought he was edgy

0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:26.520
<v Speaker 7>or funky whatever. They just thought he was kind of

0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:28.560
<v Speaker 7>like a nice, kindly granddad who might be a bit

0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:31.560
<v Speaker 7>old fashioned about things but ultimately would take care of

0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:33.719
<v Speaker 7>them and maybe with a bit of tough love, you know.

0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Blah blah blah.

0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:37.560
<v Speaker 7>But again, that wasn't seeing the Coalition get a majority

0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:40.439
<v Speaker 7>of young voters by a long shot. That was young

0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:43.480
<v Speaker 7>voters voting, you know, instead of ninety ten for labor

0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:45.479
<v Speaker 7>in the Greens, maybe eighty twenty or seven.

0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:47.800
<v Speaker 1>And by shaving it up a little bit, that's exactly

0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:49.120
<v Speaker 1>what Trump did. That's exactly right.

0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:52.360
<v Speaker 7>And the Trump you actually have something else, interestingly, where

0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:58.640
<v Speaker 7>the Democrats look so just not nauseating in every possible way,

0:45:58.719 --> 0:46:02.080
<v Speaker 7>but so out of touch, so elitist, so kind of

0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:06.600
<v Speaker 7>forbidding and tut tutting in their kind, their language and

0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:08.920
<v Speaker 7>their attitudes and trying to regulate language, and all the

0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:12.120
<v Speaker 7>ridiculous woke staff in the obsession with identity politics, that.

0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:13.799
<v Speaker 1>Trump actually did look cool.

0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:16.440
<v Speaker 7>He did look like the cool guy, especially for younger

0:46:16.880 --> 0:46:20.200
<v Speaker 7>and working classmen. He got half of Hispanic men, and

0:46:20.239 --> 0:46:22.799
<v Speaker 7>he got a third of black men. And we all

0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:25.719
<v Speaker 7>know that white working classmen just ran to him and

0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:27.680
<v Speaker 7>drives and that was driven by young people.

0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:30.120
<v Speaker 1>So which again doesn't mean me, any of any of

0:46:30.200 --> 0:46:32.680
<v Speaker 1>us say, be more trumpy or it's just about the

0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:35.359
<v Speaker 1>concept of well, different place.

0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:38.480
<v Speaker 7>That's right, and don't chase young votes at the expense

0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:41.319
<v Speaker 7>of alienating your base. Young people grow up, so come

0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:42.239
<v Speaker 7>see sense.

0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:44.839
<v Speaker 1>Well, Angie, thank you so much. We'll see you again

0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:46.480
<v Speaker 1>next week, along with a wonderful Joe as well. Thank

0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:48.759
<v Speaker 1>you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you guys to appreciate it.

0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:50.680
<v Speaker 1>Quick break back with more here a final thought before

0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:51.520
<v Speaker 1>off to the late debate.