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Speaker 1: We'd like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land

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Speaker 1: on which this podcast was produced, the Galligall people of

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Speaker 1: the orination. We pay our respects to elder's past and present.

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Speaker 2: It's nineteen eighty five and we're in the Sydney suburb

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Speaker 2: of Redfern on thorously rough Everly Street. Twelve year old

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Speaker 2: Jeff Morgan has just made the decision to leave home.

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Speaker 2: Gambling and alcoholism have made his home an incredibly violent

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Speaker 2: one and he can't take it any more. Jeff quickly

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Speaker 2: realizes that life isn't any easier out here, and on

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Speaker 2: these streets, where syringes and broken glass line the footpaths,

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Speaker 2: he must fend for himself. He does what he has

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Speaker 2: to do to survive out here. The next two decades

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Speaker 2: follow the same pattern. Robberies, prison, Robbery's prison. At age four,

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Speaker 2: twenty seven, sitting in a jail cell, once again, Jeff

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Speaker 2: has a realization there must be more to life than this.

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Speaker 2: I'm at Middleton and this is head game today. How

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Speaker 2: Jeff Morgan changed his path from a life inside to

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Speaker 2: a life of inspiration. Jeff Morgan, listen, thank you ever

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Speaker 2: so much for joining me on my podcast. Head game.

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Speaker 2: Funny enough, I bumped into this gentleman in the airport

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Speaker 2: not long ago, a couple of months ago, and we

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Speaker 2: started talking about leadership and about life, really really interesting upbringing,

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Speaker 2: and you know hard. You know, you suffered a lot,

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Speaker 2: You've been through a lot. You've obviously come out at

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Speaker 2: the other end right now. That's why you're sat here

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Speaker 2: with me. But talk me through your childhood. Talked me

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Speaker 2: through where it all started, where you start to see things,

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Speaker 2: because the first memories you had were asn't ones where they.

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Speaker 3: Know you're looking up and your parents are drinking at night,

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Speaker 3: You're up until all hours of the morning. Music's pumping

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Speaker 3: to sit around and while he's gambling. Then you're going

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Speaker 3: I just thought, that are your first memories.

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Speaker 2: So that's what you remember, alcohol, drugs, gambling.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and you know other people kicking football with their

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Speaker 3: something where you're playing toys. I didn't have toys. People

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Speaker 3: don't realize the depth of that conversation. And to be

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Speaker 3: able to just be yourself as a kid. You know,

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Speaker 3: talking about grown, strong, solid men within the community that

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Speaker 3: what that instills in yourself and the fear that I

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Speaker 3: And I felt safer on the streets of Sydney than

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Speaker 3: call it back then in my vision, I look back

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Speaker 3: Because I want to continue the journey of not ever

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Speaker 2: But you love your parents growing up, right? Your mom

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I never really thought about it, but in a

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Speaker 2: Man, that ignition from when you were so young, that

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Speaker 2: Do you think you took on those moments because they

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Speaker 3: Absolutely like you. You want what it's like life. Everyone

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Speaker 3: And that's coming from twelve years of being with my mother,

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Speaker 3: taken that. And this field of life is a landmine. Man.

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Speaker 3: ability to understand that and strategize for that and then

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Speaker 3: That's a great skill to have and I'm grateful that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you've you learned the hard way, right, you

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Speaker 3: Twelve years old. Down the road the the main car park,

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Speaker 2: You'll become a real street smart twelve, which no other

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Speaker 2: because absolutely did you find you did you survive better

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Speaker 3: What did I say within your first year? Yes, like

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Speaker 2: And so I used to leave in the hotel twenty

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Speaker 3: People always ask me, when did you become an entrepreneur?

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Speaker 3: I said, at twelve, when I jumped out on the streets,

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Speaker 3: at what we did, and unfortunately it was destructive. But

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Speaker 3: that's why I truly believe that's why I did change.

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Speaker 3: For a long time, I was building survival mode, and

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Speaker 3: I was built to just think that was normal behavior,

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Speaker 2: Back then it was class as graffiti and it's glassed

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Speaker 3: Family, and I created it even more so so imagine

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Speaker 3: Somewhere in amongst that my mother. So I was always

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Speaker 2: I suppose, Yeah, what's safeguarding what you've got? Like, I

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Speaker 2: You've suffered for it.

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Speaker 3: You know. It led to an innovative way of crime too,

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Speaker 3: So we started to distract shopkeepers, go out the back,

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Speaker 3: the top of Redford Station from molotov cocktails five meters

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 2: What was it like no sore or the streets are

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Speaker 3: And I think that that's a great question because we didn't.

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Speaker 2: And when I asked that, because there was no hate,

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Speaker 3: You, absolutely for the best interest of the environment. And

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Speaker 3: didn't want to hurt anybody in amongst that. My vision

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Speaker 3: Never snatched a handbag in my wife hand because we

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Speaker 2: I get it. It's that line of twisted respected I know.

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Speaker 2: This was your best way of surviving, of getting through,

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Speaker 2: Don't want to hurt people. I don't want to go

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Speaker 3: It was even the cars we got, completely getting luxury cars,

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Speaker 3: and I was like, they won't missing they've got money

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00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,679
Speaker 3: and in general, you know, to me, it was just

436
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 3: I had a weird twisted mentality about let's not hurt people,

437
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 3: and let's make this as quick as possible and get out,

438
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 3: get in and get out. And even those that you know,

439
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 3: if I look at it, if anyone was ever on

440
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 3: the other side of that, I'd be happy to give

441
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 3: my skill set to them for the rest of their life,

442
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 3: until they were in a position where they lived a

443
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,479
Speaker 3: better life again, rather than in trauma, because I've been

444
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 3: able to step away from that trauma of the upbringing

445
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 3: and instead of talking about trauma, talking about wellness and

446
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 3: greatness and the lessons that became blessings within my life

447
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 3: from that.

448
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 2: I love how you don't use the trauma. You don't

449
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 2: use race, religion, ethnicity, you don't use any of that.

450
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 3: What religion or what country are from? What are your beliefs?

451
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 2: Oh? What?

452
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 3: I'm here and my hands are folded now. I just

453
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 3: like anyone gets an opportunity, and even if they don't

454
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,959
Speaker 3: and they burn me, where did then? Where does this

455
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 3: come from for them? What did their parents teach them?

456
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,199
Speaker 3: Because I understand it and in society that's where we

457
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 3: lose so much. Lod his young kid, lock him up

458
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,439
Speaker 3: from away the key. I'm like, this kid's been abused

459
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 3: at home, I guarantee, and as long as we you

460
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 3: lock him up, we only surrounding with what other people

461
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 3: that have been through the same abuse. Yet then you

462
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 3: run a campaign on let's protect women and children. I'm like, well,

463
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 3: these kids are going through exactly the same thing, and

464
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 3: you're telling us to lock them up from away the key.

465
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 3: That doesn't make sense because have you understood the abuse

466
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 3: that went on in that home. You walk into that

467
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 3: house and you understand it in five minutes. Get someone

468
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 3: from a rich affluence suburb to go and live in

469
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 3: that house for one week and they'll say, Wow, get

470
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 3: me out of here. I need to run through the hills.

471
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 3: And I understand that as well. But how do we

472
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 3: merge that together? So the world's a better place the

473
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 3: old world of melorism, make the world a better place

474
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 3: for human effort, and I think that's something that we

475
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 3: as society could do better.

476
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 2: So you're getting deeper and deeper, Jeff, do you realize

477
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: how deep you're getting or are you just climbing the ranks?

478
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 2: And now you'll get your You're onto bank robberies and

479
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 2: before you know it, you're like, wow, how the hell

480
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 2: do I get here?

481
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 3: It's crazy. You went from search they caught searching distracting shop.

482
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 3: Then it was an art form for all us in

483
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 3: a city boys, it was just normal and I had

484
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 3: such a big name there within the system. Once again,

485
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 3: I loved and revered and I'm very innovative. We get

486
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 3: into these stolen luxury cars, we're going into town in

487
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 3: the middle of the day, smashing into Judy Freeze jewelry stores,

488
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 3: having those fear of anybody, and that transitions into the

489
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 3: same cars, but now snatching money off bank counters what

490
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 3: they're being deposit or just on closing time. They'd count

491
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,719
Speaker 3: up on accounter and we'd be like, would walk up,

492
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 3: you know, fifty thousand on the counter, snatch money around

493
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 3: out of the bank seat later and you just I

494
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 3: didn't realize, just didn't. It was just so normal, and.

495
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: As you're getting deeper and deeper down there, the.

496
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 3: Biggest side of things, I was saying, if I can

497
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 3: get fifty green in a day, let's they can let

498
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 3: me chill for a little bit and rather do it

499
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 3: every single day searching. I could step back and do

500
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,959
Speaker 3: it once and have a rest for six weeks and

501
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 3: come back. But we had such a habit that we'd

502
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 3: do it every day. Anyway We've been walking along and

503
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 3: we'd go a lot that it became a habit.

504
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just became Were you sort of addicted to it?

505
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 3: I'd say we were without realizing that we were, because

506
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 3: we're unconscious and most of the.

507
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: Society, as you don't realize you're addicted right.

508
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 3: And society through this unconscious nature. We go up, we

509
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 3: wake up, we gas through the realms of your day,

510
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 3: and we're unconscious during that whole day around the decisions

511
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 3: we're making and the life we're not living. And a

512
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 3: lot of people just exist. They're dead at twenty five

513
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 3: and buried at seventy five. They want more from life,

514
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: but they're not actually conscious of the life they want

515
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 3: until they sit down and say, how can I take

516
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 3: this unconscious thought? I've been thinking about starting training, a business,

517
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 3: a life, traveling to a location and actually make that

518
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 3: a reality. And I think that's what we had a

519
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 3: skill of because we just had to do, or in

520
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 3: our eyes we were doing. And then it becomes such

521
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 3: adrenaline rush and you're doing it with your mates. How

522
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 3: good is this? Life's good? Exchange time for money, Yeah,

523
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 3: but in a different sense of time for money, And

524
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 3: I learned that in business, don't exchange time for money.

525
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 3: Or at some point in time, I had that unconscious conversation,

526
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 3: where is this actually serving me? And could I do

527
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 3: it a different way?

528
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 2: When do you realize that, Wow, I'm in deep now?

529
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 3: Is it?

530
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 2: You know you've got a hefty prison sentence. When do

531
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 2: you realize that you need to things need to change.

532
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 2: You know you are gonna be in prison your whole life.

533
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 3: If it doesn't, I'll go to segregation or the slot

534
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 3: in Melbourne Port filip Prison.

535
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 2: You've been sentenced at this stage.

536
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 3: So I'm going to trial. During the trial, and what

537
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 3: you're looking at during the trial, if I get found

538
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 3: giddy in my head, I'm thinking I'm doing ten years.

539
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 3: So we had this thing. If one of us can

540
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 3: get off, we're able to lie or do whatever we

541
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 3: could to get off, right. I become that person during

542
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 3: that trial. I go back to the prison. I say,

543
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: my QC, very well known QC in Australia, I need hint.

544
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 3: Your men need to come to court and say what

545
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 3: they need to say, or you know, will they come

546
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 3: and yep, no problems. I go back to the jail.

547
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 3: I say, hey, I needed to come to court and

548
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 3: that needs to happen tomorrow. They're going to put anything

549
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 3: you need to say. Yes, are you all good? There's

550
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 3: a couple of two of those actually turn around and

551
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 3: say I'm not going to stuff myself up because they'd

552
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: already played guilty for sentencing, I have to ring my

553
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 3: solicitor was the answer from another one, was this.

554
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 2: For a bank robbery?

555
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 3: Yes? And I was like down in Melbourne, and which

556
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 3: is eight hours out of Sydney. To give context for people,

557
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 3: we travel d eight hours down there rob this bank. I

558
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 3: knew we were under surveillance and I mentioned that to him.

559
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 3: I said, I feel well, under surveillance, we do this

560
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 3: bank robbery. Place watch the bank robbery. We still get

561
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 3: away from the bank robbery. That's so I look back

562
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 3: on that. What skill did we have to organize plan?

563
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: And and I realized that they might have take me

564
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 3: through that. I had a feeling that they were onto us.

565
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 3: So what we did We looked at this other bank

566
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: and said this is it and gave them this sort

567
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 3: of yeah, and they set up at that bank. And

568
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 3: it's probably saved us because we run out in Special

569
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 3: Operations Group. They're similar to yourselves, and as you know,

570
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 3: one shot and we're down and that's it. It's all over.

571
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 3: My life's finished. At that point in time, they had

572
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 3: the helicopter squad, the dogs. I look back on it

573
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I'm proud that we were able to

574
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 3: upbread at that level. In a sense.

575
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 2: Evidence that's pretty Yeah, that's pretty you know.

576
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,479
Speaker 3: And in a business sense. When I say that proud,

577
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 3: I don't mean proud of the crime. I mean proud

578
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 3: of the business acronym that I had in that world.

579
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 3: And I said, we're going to ditch these people, and

580
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 3: we're going to do it this way. And by the

581
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 3: time they realized, they said, no, it's the other bank

582
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 3: that they actually looked at. That's what they're doing. And

583
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 3: the surveillance team had watched us. They can't arrest us.

584
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 3: They don't have the powers to arrest you, which is

585
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 3: pretty crazy. They've sworn in police office, but they watch

586
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 3: it and they report and capture. We come outside across

587
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: the bonnet of this car and I think it's you know,

588
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 3: duke's a hazard and how good is this? And money's

589
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 3: on my back and we get chased by this police

590
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 3: officer and I said, this bog was either a police

591
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: officer or motor cross right or something road too good.

592
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 3: But I'm in custody, we're getting I'm at trial. During

593
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 3: that trial, I had a phone in the ledge of

594
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 3: a window sill. I dug that out, very innovative, got

595
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 3: made up this screw that actually undid that ledge and yeah,

596
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 3: you couldn't get that in jail, really, but I got

597
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: it made up. It was in a really safe spot.

598
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 3: But one day I get back from court and I go,

599
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 3: you're going this way, Morgan. I was like, no, that's

600
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 3: a slot segregation. Why am I going now? I'm not there,

601
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 3: And he said, mate, we found a phone in yourself.

602
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 3: I was like, how did they find that phone? It

603
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 3: was in the butter so they took it out the

604
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 3: boys during the day the same crew used it and

605
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 3: they put it in a butter So that sort of,

606
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 3: I suppose annoyed me that they've done that. Whatever, I'll

607
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 3: roll with the three months in the slot. So you

608
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 3: have three months in there by yourself sitting there during

609
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 3: a trial. You're getting back later. It's one of the

610
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 3: most traumatic parts of PRISM is the court process. People

611
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 3: don't realize they being in and out of that truck

612
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 3: going in the court. I don't smoke. People are smoking

613
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: in the truck and the smoke doesn't escape anywhere. You're

614
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 3: traveling about an hour in in peak hour traffic. There's

615
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: an absolute nightmare in the truck. And then you sit

616
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: in the cells all day. You're not fed properly, you

617
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 3: get up at three in the morning. So that whole.

618
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: Process, this is a segregation, right.

619
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: Oh, and then you add segregation where you go back

620
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: and you an't have the reprive of a good bed

621
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 3: or the bed's better than the slot. Yeah, the slots

622
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 3: are just nothing. You pretty much got nothing there and

623
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: no TV, no nothing. But I get back you're down here, Morgan.

624
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: I go to trial, I get found guilty, and I

625
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 3: get on this truck one day and I.

626
00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: Just found guilty for the year robber.

627
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was going really well. The second last day

628
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 3: that I actually overheard I'm listening to her phone cause

629
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 3: one of the leading officers and she said this f P,

630
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 3: he's about to get off this trial. And I was like,

631
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 3: and even Mike QC said you're going to beat this,

632
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 3: and I was like, I am going to beat this.

633
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 3: And the last moment they rip out this evidence and

634
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: the evidence was just enough. It was me taking off

635
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 3: this jacket. You were in the Sahara desert. You couldn't

636
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 3: see who it was, but they clearly throw the jacket

637
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 3: in and that same jacket I was pictured photographed in.

638
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 3: There was only fifty of those jackets in Australia, but

639
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 3: we still argued, could be forty nine other people that

640
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 3: did that. So in the end they found me guilty

641
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 3: and I got in that truck that day. I was

642
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 3: meant to go back with everybody else. The paperwork hadn't

643
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: been finished. I went back in the truck by myself,

644
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 3: and I just broke down and cried and to be

645
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: honest with you, and here's this big, tough, strong person

646
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 3: that's respected in the system in the back of this truck.

647
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: Just yeah, I was done for this? Is you now

648
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 3: your big sent ever coming? Think that my mates have

649
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 3: let me down? Not my mates, my brothers. They were

650
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 3: brothers for twenty years. We had a crew that was

651
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: very solid for twenty years. And someone usually sleeps with

652
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 3: one another's partner. Maybe you end up dead in that world.

653
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: You know, someone wants your money or your life. They

654
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 3: leave your poster that and look after you while you

655
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 3: We're stuck together for that twenty years. So that moment

656
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: was a turning point and I was like, if you

657
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 3: can do that to me that quickly, what have you

658
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 3: done to me prior to this? Did you know? How

659
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: was my wife with you? Because they were going to

660
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 3: visit my wife and look.

661
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: I feel like you've been abandoned once again.

662
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 3: So I gave me that thing. I was like, you know,

663
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: and you're on that battlefield and I'm relying on you

664
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 3: to give me cover fire, and I say you go, yeah,

665
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 3: go now, and I run out and you go, oh,

666
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 3: wait a second, I'll just check what this, what's down

667
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 3: in this, and you're like, you do your best. And

668
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 3: that's where it was the turning point, And I said,

669
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: I realized that they don't have my back any longer.

670
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: And if they don't have my back, and it was

671
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 3: a real turning point in the business sense, in life

672
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 3: sense as well, because it made me realize, you know,

673
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: they might ever come and to save you as you

674
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 3: but if you get the right people around, you can

675
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 3: move good as a unit, as you would know. So

676
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 3: I just went what were the strengths that we had

677
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 3: as a group, and to be able to do the

678
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,719
Speaker 3: stuff we did was phenomenal, and we operated at a

679
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 3: really high level. Even police respected us. So when they

680
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: got us, they had a normal behavior of definitely accidentally

681
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 3: slipping over with their elbow on your head or something

682
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 3: of that nature. And I mean that respectful to the

683
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 3: police force, but it was a part of the game.

684
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 3: I suppose that you accepted. But they even in Melbourne,

685
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 3: they didn't assault us because they just went, you know, really,

686
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 3: how you operate at a really high level and we

687
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 3: actually respect it and you, But could you put those

688
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 3: skills and we'd have these conversations in police stations. What

689
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: if you put those skills to good use?

690
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: What if you did? Was that going through your head?

691
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: Then once you were centers, Were you sentenced for ten years?

692
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: No?

693
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 3: So I got ten years with seven years on the bottom,

694
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 3: So you serve seven years if you play up, you

695
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 3: served the ten years. So I was it was weird.

696
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 3: I did education in the system to make sure I

697
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 3: got my prole date or when I got sentenced, he's

698
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: done computers, business whatever. It was anger management, conflict resolution,

699
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 3: and it was always about scheming, getting off something or

700
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: getting out quicker. But what I didn't realize I did.

701
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: I actually started to build myself better. And that's how

702
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 3: I shifted out of that world. I was like, I

703
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 3: started to see things through the same light, but just saying,

704
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 3: how could I do this in a way that.

705
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: From different lens? Right, you had the same acumen, you

706
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: had the same business mindset, but now you're looking through

707
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: a different lens because the whole street life has come

708
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 2: crumbling down on you. It's buried you alive. You've come

709
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 2: out the rubble. No one's there apart from yourself, and

710
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: but you've still got you know, you've still got this

711
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: about yourself and.

712
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 3: It's your units. Walking across that landfield the first two

713
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 3: to goo, I get blown up and you're like, well,

714
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 3: we can keep trying this same pathway, but it's destructive.

715
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 3: Let's go around and there's more fire there. But this

716
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: is you know, we're open and we're walking through this field.

717
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 3: Let's try another avenue. And that's what I started to do.

718
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: I said, this is I'm going to have a crack.

719
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: And that's seven years. Even during that I was very conscious,

720
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: and I probably became the most conscious over became in

721
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 3: my life that three months in segregation. Going back to that,

722
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 3: I started to ask all these questions which form and

723
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: shape what I do today, and who are you? What

724
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 3: do you want from life? And what is happiness? And

725
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 3: these words? And I sit with people and people it's

726
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 3: like that little toy that comes out and tries to

727
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 3: grab the toy the machine there, yeah, the core, what's

728
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 3: it grabbing? What's it actually grabbing? And when you go

729
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: for some as what is your happiness? And what does

730
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 3: it look like? Where does it happen? Who are you with?

731
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: And people sit there and start crying and it blows

732
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 3: me away and I'm like, I used to say, what

733
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 3: are you crying for? In my head and I'd realize

734
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 3: that they don't even know what that looks like. Similar

735
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 3: to me as a young twelve year old kid, I

736
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: don't know what pain we've always looked like. So for them,

737
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 3: they've never sat and thought about it, and they've just said,

738
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: he's what life is. Going to pay my bills and

739
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 3: eat and that's it and get wrinkly and old, sell

740
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: my house, travel the world wrinkly and old. And could

741
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 3: you do the same thing, younger? And what would that

742
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 3: mean to you?

743
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: You've been caught. You're smart enough, clearly smart enough to

744
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: realize that you have to look at life through a

745
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: different lens. You have to take a different direction. You're

746
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 2: by yourself. Was there a moment where you where you

747
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: felt relieved and you were just like you take that

748
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: breath of relief and go right now the rebuild starts

749
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: and guess what I'm here by myself, and I'm going to

750
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: do it by myself.

751
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 3: As sitting in there, I cut myself open. I'll call

752
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 3: it a live autopsy on myself. And I just dug

753
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 3: all that out and by the time i'd come out,

754
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 3: not even by the time. During custody, we'd sit and

755
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 3: talk about how to do the next bank orbi, how

756
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 3: to avoid things, turn the arms off, turn cameras off.

757
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 3: And during that period I just went, I'm not doing that.

758
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 3: I'm not doing this. So it was the heaviness went

759
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: in there, and there was many things that happened. I

760
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: had this bird I found on the ground, little budgy,

761
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 3: and I picked it up and said, oh, I find

762
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 3: his bird. And they said, oh, you can't touch it.

763
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 3: You've got to look after it now if you want,

764
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,959
Speaker 3: the mother will reject it. So I bring this bird

765
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: up and would sit on my shoulder. And then one

766
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 3: day I said, in prison, in prison, and you've got

767
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 3: all these tough man tattoosh, and you've got these little

768
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 3: bird on your shoulder walking and they're like, morgs, what

769
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 3: is this man? And I can't even remember the bird's name.

770
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 3: To this day, I'm like, I've got it and I

771
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 3: don't know why. I can't remember that bird's name, but

772
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 3: I named it something about what it did. And I

773
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 3: just remember one day I said, I've got to walk

774
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 3: this bird outside, and if it flies off, it flies off,

775
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 3: that's natural nature. Let it go. And it flew off,

776
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 3: and I'm ah, well that's it. And I was sitting

777
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: there reading a book and it came back and sat

778
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 3: on my shoulder, and I think about all these little things,

779
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 3: and I was like, you're joking. It came back and

780
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 3: I had it for about six months, and one day

781
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 3: I forgot to get it in and it got locked

782
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 3: out of the unit and I poured rain that night.

783
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 3: So I don't know if that's what did it to

784
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 3: it or what happened, but then I found it dead

785
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 3: out at the front and I was like, oh, you know,

786
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 3: but I look back and these transitionings of letting go

787
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 3: of everything, and I think that was I felt like

788
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 3: that was my mother coming back to me and just

789
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 3: sort of giving me a bit of take away the

790
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 3: heavyiness and know that, you know, I just did my

791
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: best with yourself, and it's time to free yourself from

792
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 3: these shackles. My father died when I was in custody

793
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 3: down there, and that morning the crow came back. It

794
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 3: was five o'clock in the morning. The crowses was really right,

795
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 3: right right, And I was like to the point where

796
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 3: God haven't said, what are you trying to tell me?

797
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 3: And that morning the governor caused me up when we

798
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 3: were on let go, and he says, come to the

799
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 3: Governor's office. And so your father passed away last night,

800
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 3: so I felt like he came back in that journey.

801
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: And I was just like, you know, this is your

802
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 3: turning point. And I was studying, learning about business, but

803
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 3: not budging money, investing those sorts of things.

804
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: In your mind, you had the mindset shift on right,

805
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: take the skills and business acumen that I have, but

806
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 2: shifted to society. Sh shifted to civy Street where I

807
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: can work under you. Whilst you're in there, you were

808
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: just learning and learning and grind but in the right direction, right,

809
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: so when you were released, you could you could enter

810
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 2: society as a as a as a model civilian, huge

811
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: and then hopefully attack life in the same aspect that

812
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: you had why you're on the streets, but to succeed

813
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 2: as a as a businessman.

814
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 3: And I learned a lot about it was real crazy

815
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 3: like the Romans, the everything it all passed and the

816
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 3: values of the principles the virals are. I ain't so deep.

817
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 3: It was pretty crazy, to be honest. But when I

818
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 3: say deep, not to the point where I was. It

819
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 3: was all factual and everything I learned was factory and

820
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: I was like, wow, Wow, that's how they operated. What if? Yeah,

821
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 3: so I'm that person. I see Aunt Middleton, what's he doing?

822
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 3: How does he operate? Wow, that's a great quality of Yeah,

823
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 3: learned that. Take that, Take that, and if you do

824
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 3: that in your unit, you become better at firing a

825
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: shot or fitter, or understanding the environment or whatever it

826
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 3: may be. So same thing and principal for me, how

827
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 3: do I understand this business environment? And I was learning

828
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 3: it from some of these books were at the top

829
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 3: of the game within the business world, So what could

830
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: I learn from them? And I had that time that

831
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 3: they probably could charge thousand, hundreds of thousands of dollars

832
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 3: a year to somebody to learn. And here I was

833
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 3: sitting in the yard, but I'd let that go in

834
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 3: the past. Now I was sitting with that person saying,

835
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 3: what do you think like that? And I exchanged it

836
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 3: for the protection of them without ever having that conversation.

837
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 3: They knew it. I knew it. They knew that they

838
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 3: weren't from that world. And people were going to say,

839
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 3: and you got money, you transferred twenty grand in my account,

840
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 3: or you're not going to be here next week, and

841
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 3: I would say, he's that person's with me, And literally

842
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: just by sitting down without saying it, they knew that

843
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 3: that person was with me and no one would have

844
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 3: some them. So they knew it. I knew it. And

845
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 3: it was a great exchange of value that shifted my life.

846
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 3: And I came out after seven years. I had the

847
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 3: prole in Sydney, so I wrote to written to them

848
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 3: or take an ownership, come get me. I want to

849
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 3: finish my pro up there, which I had outstanding. They

850
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 3: didn't come get me. I walked out the gates, which

851
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 3: was a real bummer at the time because I didn't

852
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: want to walk out and have to go and ham

853
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 3: myself back in. It was a real bittersweet moment. You freedom,

854
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 3: And I know it sounds crazy fresh air because and

855
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 3: and just yeah, that that transition go back into custody

856
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 3: and now coming back to Sydney, seeing the difference between

857
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 3: those two systems. Sydney is such a gladiator. Yeah, you're

858
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 3: in battle mode. So as soon as I go in,

859
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 3: they're in race wars. There's and here I am trying

860
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 3: to shift and change. But at the same time, you've

861
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: got to be and I think that's that threshold you

862
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 3: spoke about when you're in that Wolf Foeld. You just

863
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Speaker 3: have to be a different person and you can be

864
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Speaker 3: who you want out here if you get.

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Speaker 2: Misappropriate body armors on different masks, on different how Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you hypothetically.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to do it sametime, But at the

868
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 3: same time, it's survival of the fittest and if you

869
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 3: don't do what you need to do. And then I

870
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 3: took that toughness, grit, that tenacity, that whatever you want

871
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 3: to call it. I've got this mentality me And you're

872
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: in a colosseum and they're like, ant's being here done that?

873
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 3: I said, well, today's the day that an it's not

874
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Speaker 3: walking out of the colosseum. And if you don't do

875
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 3: that for yourself in life, it is an absolute war

876
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 3: out there, and most importantly war in your head. It's

877
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 3: like saying, and there's a word, we're just going to

878
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 3: drop you in without any training. And when you see

879
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 3: someone just shoot, that's just that's not a strategy, that's

880
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 3: a hope strategy. And how many people are doing that

881
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 3: out here in society because we just go out and

882
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 3: we say, all right, we're going to learn at school,

883
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 3: But did you learn how to actually deal with your

884
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 3: emotion emotional IQ or your stress and time management or relationships?

885
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 3: And when it comes out? Now you can't manage your emotion.

886
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 3: So now domestic violence enters the family home, you split

887
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 3: the family up. Now the kids are out without the kids,

888
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: and that rolls off into the environments we're in. Maybe

889
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 3: you mate that we had and we don't even have

890
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: that conversation with a mate and pretend it didn't even happen.

891
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 3: How can we build a better world? And that means

892
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 3: just taking that ownership and accountability to what we could

893
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 3: be and starting to work towards that and except that

894
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: we can be better.

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Speaker 2: And one thing I've noticed with you, Jeff, is that

896
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Speaker 2: you are a good person, a good man, and you've

897
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 2: kept that morality throughout everything that you've done. And now

898
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: you're giving back to society, aren't you. You're traveling the world,

899
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 2: you speak so much sense you're a very very smart,

900
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: intelligent guy and that comes from obviously what you've learned,

901
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 2: and you're in a very similar situation than myself.

902
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Speaker 3: Really, are you.

903
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: To talk to me about what you do now and

904
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: who you are and what your future plans are.

905
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Speaker 3: As we do a lot around leadership, the mindset and

906
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 3: the well being of organizations, high performance habits, resilience building

907
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 3: within that space, stress and time management, emotional IQ and

908
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 3: that unconscious to conscious pathway. And I've been able to

909
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: travel around well, very blessed to be able to do that,

910
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 3: travel out into Aboriginal communities, sporting clubs within this country

911
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 3: at the highest level. To me, it's just to be

912
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 3: able to wrap up what you learned into something that

913
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 3: you can give as a gift to somebody if they

914
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 3: choose to do so, and bring consciousness to a space.

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Speaker 3: And I know it's very hard, but a lot more

916
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Speaker 3: people starting to the ice barbs, the mindfulness and all

917
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 3: the above and the benefits of if you can understand

918
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Speaker 3: what I call the VBA of any conversation, value on

919
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: benefit towards a space when you understand how you can

920
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 3: put yourself in those environments and is there more that

921
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 3: you can get out of this environment. What could you

922
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Speaker 3: do to do that? And how could we facilitate that

923
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Speaker 3: and make you understand that, not only make it happen

924
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Speaker 3: for you, but also understand it so you can then

925
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Speaker 3: do that for yourself ongoingly. We can go from a

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Speaker 3: drug user heavy drug use. I'll give you a great

927
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Speaker 3: example of a young kid who recently on the ice

928
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Speaker 3: four months has a functioning business that is in six

929
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Speaker 3: figures four months. The whole journey was all consciousness and people,

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Speaker 3: you know, in their eyes, wishy washy, we want to

931
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Speaker 3: high performance to the organization. Let's scale it back a

932
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 3: bit and do X, Y and Z. And when you

933
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 3: do that, they're like, but we want to get an outcome.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, by the end of it, they've They're

935
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Speaker 3: projections on how much they made the less six days

936
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Speaker 3: and how much they saved and those that aren't quitting

937
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 3: the job because of mental health. How much is that worth?

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Speaker 3: And that's what conscious is, the word consciousness of the unconscious.

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Speaker 3: That transition is worth priceless love that mate, Listen, I

940
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 3: could chat to you all day and it's a privilege

941
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Speaker 3: known you.

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Speaker 2: May I bumped into you, like I said a few

943
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: months ago, at the air crazy and I felt the energy.

944
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: I knew that you was a good guy from the

945
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 2: from the moment I met you, mate, and I can

946
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 2: purely say and honestly say that that is definitely the case.

947
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Speaker 2: And I believe that's that's what's got you here today,

948
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Speaker 2: is you being an overall good eggmte. So but listen,

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Speaker 2: thanks ever so much for coming on my podcast, Mate.

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Speaker 2: Keep giving back, Mate, that's all we can do.

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Speaker 3: Mate. I appreciate you. You ain't anybody into you, and

952
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: that means that you've got to put that work into yourself.

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Speaker 2: Love your soph more cheers, Jeff. Thanks mate. Lege To

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Speaker 2: find out more about Jeff's work, head to Jeffreymorgan dot

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Speaker 2: com dot au. Thanks for listening to this episode of Headgame.

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Speaker 2: If you enjoyed it, I'd love if you could leave

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Speaker 2: me a review. I'm Att Middleton. Catch you in the

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Speaker 2: next episode.