WEBVTT - Credlin | 2 July 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:06.319 Peter kl Live on Sky News Australia. 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:11.880 Well, good evening and welcome to the program. I'm Jamie 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:16.400 Rogers filling in for Peter Predlin coming up tonight. Defense 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:21.759 Industry Minister Pat Conroy says Australia's defense capabilities must adapt 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:25.600 to a more dangerous world. Today's reforms enough to meet 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:29.920 the challenge. The Reserve Bank is warning the housing market 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:33.600 is slowing faster than expected. What does this mean for 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:38.199 your wealth and our economy? First, he took his message 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:42.680 to Canbra through billboards. What's Joseph Dowe done now to 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:46.239 get in front of the Prime Minister? And the government 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:49.239 gets defensive when pressed on border protection. 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:55.040 Why is the Albanezer government so weak in protecting Australia's borders? 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.400 You get a sense of the Member of the marshs 0:00:58.480 --> 0:00:59.680 worn in that question. 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:07.040 But first, right now, Australians are united by only one thing. 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:12.560 They are fed up. Today's Redbridge polling proves it. Australians 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:14.760 have lost faith in the major parties. 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:16.320 Take Victoria. 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:21.080 Pauline Hansen doesn't even have a state parliamentary leader. She 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:25.800 doesn't have confirmed candidates or policies. Yet one nation is 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:30.200 now polling ahead of both Labor and the Liberals. Whilst 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:34.679 it's close, are you surprised one nation is leading? Liberal 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:38.080 leader Jess Wilson has done a good job highlighting the 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:42.840 Allen government's failings, but she's now facing trouble closer to home. 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:47.280 More redeeming is refusing to apologize to Matthew Guy after 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:51.120 accusing him of assault, acclaim police have cleared him of. 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:58.160 Wilson says she has asked Deeming to apologize. 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:57.360 Throughout this process. 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:02.120 I made it clear tomorrow I expected her to apologize 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.160 to Matthew. I think that is the right thing to do, 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:07.720 and Mora has decided that's not the case, and now 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:08.720 the State Executive will me. 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:13.520 But for all the Liberals internal strife, the biggest story 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:17.000 sits on the other side of the chamber with Justinter Allan. 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:21.880 The Premier's net favorability is minus forty two percent, making 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:26.120 her one of the most unpopular state leaders in Australian history. 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:30.800 Victorian lay Brampees are reportedly frustrated with just Into Allan's 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:35.239 handling of crime and corruption allegations linked to Victoria's one 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:39.080 hundred billion dollar big build, and the Premier's inability to 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:43.720 explain the cost to taxpayers, especially since she oversaw the 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:48.720 transport infrastructure portfolio for almost a decade. One Nation's support 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:52.680 is now strongest outside the inner city. They're polling ahead 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:55.600 of the major parties and rural areas at thirty four percent, 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:59.200 provincial seats at thirty one percent, and out of suburban 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:02.920 electorates at two twenty eight percent. Even in inner Melbourne 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:07.240 it's still attracting one in five voters. The silver lining 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:10.400 for the coalition is that Jess Wilson is the most 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:14.960 popular leader, with an approval rating of thirteen. Senator James 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:17.760 Patterson reiterated this on Sky News. 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:19.120 What I thought was. 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.639 Very illustrative in that poll. Despite the messy couple of 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:24.480 weeks the Victorian limberals have had which they would acknowledge themselves, 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:27.200 Jess Wilson is by far and away the most popular 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:30.160 political leader in Victoria. I'll have to choose between either 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.239 Ben Carrol or de Cinder Allen or Jess Wilson. I 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:33.400 think they'll choose Jess Wilson. 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:39.160 What's frustrating about this popularity for liberal voters that while 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:43.880 Labor is under pressure over the CFMEU corruption scandal, Victoria's 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:48.600 soaring debt, crime, cost blowouts. What have the Liberals spent 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:54.400 the past week talking about themselves? Another public fight, another 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:58.480 internal distraction, another headline that has nothing to do with 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.200 the people they're trying to win back. And it's not 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:05.200 just Victoria, there's New South Wales. The Liberals are now 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:09.960 facing an i CAAC inquiry into allegations of illegal political donations, 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:14.800 brand stacking and factional power broking. None of those named 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:18.159 have been charged and they'll have the opportunity to respond. 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:21.760 Liberal leader Kelly Sloan spoke earlier today. 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:27.240 I support i caaq's investigation. I want them to be thorough. 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:29.920 I want them to shine a light on this. I 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:33.640 want them to hold those responsible if they are found 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:35.919 to be guilty, and I want to clear them, to 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:39.000 clear the names of those who are found to be 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:42.240 clear of any of any corruption as well. For the 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:45.359 sake of my parliamentary colleagues, we want this done. 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:46.440 We want the i CAAC to. 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.719 Get on with their job and we want to understand 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:49.480 what we're dealing with. 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.680 While Premier Chris Mins has reportedly written to New South 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:57.559 Wales's Labour's head office requesting it suspends the two labor 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:01.960 members identified by IKAC. But once again the headlines aren't 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:06.159 around the issues that are affecting Australians. They're about politicians, 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:09.520 internal factions and allegations of backroom deals. 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:11.039 At a time when. 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:14.479 Trust in politics is already at a historic low, this 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:18.400 is exactly the sort of story of why Australians are 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:20.600 disillusioned with the major parties. 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.719 I want people in New South Wales to know that 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:28.120 we're focused on them, not about us, not about historical scandals. 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:30.599 I want to be focused on the policy agenda that 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:33.039 I'll be driving, and I want them to know that 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:35.400 there are really good people in politics, and that is 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:38.040 all my colleagues and the majority of people in the party. 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:41.440 And wherever you see political scandal, whether it's in the 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.320 Liberal Party or the Labor Party or elsewhere, you know, 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:45.320 it lets us all down. 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:51.680 When political parties becomes consumed by scandals, factional warfare and 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:56.280 internal battles, voters they look somewhere else. The latest sky 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.200 News YUGUV pulse polling reveals something else. 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:01.320 More than a century. 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:04.920 Labor proudly called itself the Party of the worker, the 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:08.039 Party of the Unions, the party that stood up for 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:14.039 ordinary Australians, well not anymore. Today, Labour's strongest support comes 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:18.320 from wealthier Australians and the middle class. Working Australians have 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:23.560 walked away amongst self described working class voters. One Nation 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:28.479 now leads Labor by twelve points. So what's changed. Have 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:32.600 millions of Australians suddenly become rusted on One Nation supporters? 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:36.479 I don't think so. I think they're sending a message. 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:40.400 Who's listening to me? One Nation is seen as the 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:45.000 only option now, not because everyone in Australia agrees with 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:50.159 all of One Nation's policies, but politics has changed. Trust 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.719 has been lost, and when that happens, it's hard to 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:57.640 win back. So until Labor and the Coalition understand that 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:08.480 today's warning from Australians could become tomorrow's political reality. Governments 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.960 have a habit of believing they know best that if 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:15.520 they change a law, introduce a new tax, or rewrite 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:19.560 the rules, Australians will just fall into line. But that's 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:23.440 not how markets work, and it's certainly not how people work, 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.480 because every government eventually learns. 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:27.040 The same lesson. 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:32.320 When you change the incentives, people change their behavior, and 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.680 right now Labor is learning that lesson the hard way. 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:40.400 Let's look at the housing market. Labour's changes to capital 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.520 gains tax and negative gearing were sold as a way 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:47.960 of helping first home buyers. The Prime Minister argues Australians 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:52.080 shouldn't worry about the decline in prices. Whilst the Prime 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:56.680 Minister isn't concerned, the Reserve Bank is warning the slowdown 0:07:56.760 --> 0:08:00.640 in the property market is happening faster than expected. The 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:04.960 latest figures paint a concerning picture. The value of new 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:09.880 dwelling approvals has now fallen for three consecutive months. Housing 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:13.360 credit growth has slowed to its weakest pace in a year. 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.200 Loan applications they're drying up. 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.840 Banks are already cutting mortgage rates to compete for a 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:24.400 shrinking pool of borrowers, and according to mcquarie, new lending 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:28.040 from investors has fallen by as much as fifty percent 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:33.880 fifty percent. Sky News Business editor Ross Greenwood says falling 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:37.280 house prices has a flow on impact to the economy. 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:40.480 There's a reality here, and that is the wealth effect 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:44.600 of home prices. If home prices established, home prices are falling, 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:48.800 Australians spend less. They spend less on furniture, on cars, 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:52.080 on home renovations on a whole range of things. Home 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:55.040 Builders don't build when home prices are falling, and the 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:58.160 reason is because there is no buying demand out there 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:01.280 to buy those times, and so therefore the impact on 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:03.800 the economy can be especially die. 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:08.199 The Prime Minister says, first, home buyers are finally getting 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.679 a fair ago because they're no longer competing with investors 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:16.320 receiving tax concessions. But what happens if the market doesn't improve. 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.920 Millions of Australians have most of their wealth tied up 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:24.600 in their homes. Construction employs hundreds of thousands of people. 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:29.000 State governments rely on stamp duty, banks rely on mortgage lending. 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:33.200 Confidence across the economy is closely linked to confidence in 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:34.240 the housing market. 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.240 The government with its target of trying to build one 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.800 point two million homes between well twenty twenty five and 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:44.240 the end of this decade, well that's completely cooked because 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:47.199 nobody will have the confidence to build these homes if 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.760 there's no demand out there and there is no profit 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.200 in those homes when you try and build them, And 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:56.199 that is fundamentally a real problem, an economic problem that 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:57.679 the government is going to have to face. 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:03.400 The sol says industry confidence has fallen to its lowest 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:07.160 level in five years. That's why governments should always be 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:10.640 careful when they try to engineer markets through the tax system. 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:15.160 You can legislate attax, you can change the rules, but 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:19.400 you can't legislate human behavior. This is a lesson that 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:24.199 all governments learn eventually, but for Albo, he'll have to 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:31.040 learn it the hard way. Well, let's head to Canberan 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:34.559 now for tonight's political headlines with Sky News political reporter 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:35.680 Reuben Spargo. 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.600 The e Safety Commissioner claims the threat of violence and 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:44.480 hate speech online is growing exponentially. Julie Inman Grant today 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:48.640 fronted the Royal Commission on Anti Semitism and Social Cohesion. 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:51.200 I feel like we've been given a fly swatter to 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:53.240 tackle a swarm of killer bees. 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:55.959 There are growing calls for the powers of the online 0:10:56.000 --> 0:11:00.640 watchdog to be bolstered the government's gambling advertising ree of 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:04.599 facing a Senate roadblock. The changes would limit TV and 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:08.000 radio ads during certain times and create an opt out 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:11.920 feature for online platforms. Coalition MPs and the Greens are 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:18.400 arguing labours proposed restrictions don't go far enough Instagram, YouTube, Snapchat. 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.960 They need the toughest restrictions of all because their tailor 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:25.920 and gambling ads influence ads, the legislation will face a 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:29.640 Senate inquiry. The Home Affairs Minister is defending the work 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:34.040 of the Australian Border Force. An alleged people smuggling operation 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.560 was discovered in far North Queensland. 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.800 We've had twelve more illegal arrivals who managed to have 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:44.400 a frothy at the pub before authorities detained them. Why 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:49.160 is the Albaneze government so weak in protecting Australia's borders. 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:52.480 You get a sense of the members of the Marussia's 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.960 warn in that question, a level of the level of 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.040 aggression from those who want to harm our borders and 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:00.800 those who want to harm our country. 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:04.360 Parliament now enters its winter recess break. 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:08.920 More time to bring in my panel now political commentator 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:12.840 Roe Knox and Sky News contributor Caroline Katz and Varnas 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:14.440 ladies welcome. 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.000 I will start with you just. 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:20.319 Around this New South Wales ICAC has announced an eight 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:25.120 week public inquiry into allegations that are involving political donations 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:29.480 and branch stacking. And with those allegations they haven't been tested. 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.480 How important is it though, that this process is allowed 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.480 to run its course while ensuring public confidence in our 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.119 political institutions is really maintained. 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:43.720 Yeah, Jamie, So I know your viewers love context, So 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:48.000 just a little bit of context around this. Firstly, ICAC 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:52.880 has said very explicitly that these are allegations only. Secondly, 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:58.480 as you outline, there's essentially two categories of our allegations. 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:04.040 The first two are around political donations and in proper 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:08.760 uses and attempts to influence public office. That's the first two, 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:14.199 and the third is actually quite separate. It's around purported 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:19.719 in timmetry behavior by two labor counselors. The issue from 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:24.760 a political standpoint for both major parties, Jamie, as you said, 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.920 is this will be a public inquiry. 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.000 It starts at the end of July. 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:35.319 And the standard approof for IKAC is a civil one, 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:38.240 so it's on the balance of probabilities, it's not a 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:43.520 criminal one. So from a political standpoint, regardless of whether 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:47.840 these allegations are proved or disproved, this is going to 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.280 be very hard for both major parties. 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:55.000 Yeah, Carolye Road makes a great point. And I now 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.880 look back to Victoria where one nation is leading, and 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.679 that's despite they'm not having a leader, they don't have policies, 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.480 they don't have candidates, and it's just because of this 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:10.520 constant narrative where either liberals or labor are dominating the 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:12.839 headlines for all of the wrong reasons. 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:15.439 What do you think this says about. 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:17.840 The political landscape that we're in right now, that we 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:21.360 see one nation polling so well when they don't have 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:22.080 a leader. 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.080 Look good evening, Jamie and Roy and everyone. The thing is, 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:29.000 poles do bounce. I can tell you living here every 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:33.600 day in Victoria, Jacinta Allen is the most hated premier 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:37.360 in this state and also in the country. People are 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.640 absolutely fed up of what is going on. Every day 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:44.240 there is a front page headline about alleged corruption, the 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.760 big build, we're heading for a two hundred billion dollar debt. 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.920 Jess Wilson, who is leading the Liberals, is so popular. 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.600 People just want to get rid of this labor government. 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:57.280 You made a really important point that one nation they 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:00.160 don't have a leader, they don't know what sits they're 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.760 going to actually run in. But it shows the frustrations 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:06.080 of everyday Victorians. Just last night at seven point thirty, 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:09.720 a fifteen year old boy, a fifteen year old boy 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.720 was stabbed to death and a sixteen and twenty year 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:20.960 old have been charged over the actual stabbing. What charges 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.840 they face, we don't know yet, but this is horrific. 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:28.480 We've also got our police that are doing machete patrols 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.680 in some major shopping centers in Melbourne to try and 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.440 restore confidence because we know that there've been a lot 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.360 of knife fights and machete attacks. For the views that 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:41.000 may not know there were machette bins, were meant to 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:43.680 have the strongest laws against knife crime in this state 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:48.040 and against machetes. This is a dreadful waste of police resources. 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.680 It's great that they're on the beat, but they're on 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:55.520 specific machete patrols at major shopping centers and people have 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:59.400 fed up and in Victoria, this labor government really does 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.440 have to go now. The Liberals have got some internal 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:04.640 problems that will hopefully be resolved by the end of 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.520 the week. But Jess Wilson is out there on her tour, 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.480 thirty three day tours. She's visiting eighty eight Lower House 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:12.040 electorates across the state. 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.040 She is very, very popular. She's a millennial. 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:18.560 She is appealing to everybody and this state is just 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:22.240 going worse. Whether it's crime, whether it's potholes, whether it's 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:26.720 alleged corruption. This is a broken state. And I hear 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.240 exactly what you're saying about one Nation, but that's a 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:33.040 protest vote because there is no leader. And I actually 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:36.320 think that Labor is very scared because the Liberals are 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:37.760 doing very well in the polls here. 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.520 I think that is what's a bit frustrating, though, isn't 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:43.280 it Roe That this is the time that the Liberals 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.840 really should be shining in Victoria. And that's why I 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.400 always get quite surprised. I know that you can't take 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.760 everything on face value with the polls, but you would 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.840 think that the Liberals would be dominating in the polls. 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.440 But the most recent one still has all three one Nation, 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.240 Liberal and Labor very very closely tired. 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.320 I would have thought were a lot further back than that. 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.000 Yeah, and Jamie, you alluded to it. 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:08.959 They actually did the polling during that week, and I 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:12.639 know that Victorians can be somewhat litigious, so I'm going 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:15.280 to be very careful with my wording here at Jamie. 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:20.720 But you know, it was another chapter in the Moira Deeming. 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:23.320 Book when they. 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:25.200 Did this polling I think the other thing that's really 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:29.360 interesting about the polling. Jamie's Red Bridge is obviously an 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:33.159 excellent polling outfit, but they do have their margin at 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:37.320 one point four percent, and most pollsters will say that 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:42.200 the margin should be at least three percent. And as 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:46.160 Caroly said, people are going to one nation even though 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:49.680 they only have one endorsed candidate, who is the guy 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:51.960 that ran in the pen in that by election. They 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.120 don't have any other candidates. 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:54.720 In the field. 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.080 But I thought the other thing Jamie about the polling 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.639 that was fascinating is one nation voter is saying that 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:05.879 they are completely locked into that vote and they're not 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:09.480 necessarily going to move even though there aren't any candidates 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:10.800 in the field yet. 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.919 And Carraly, just on that story that you sadly were 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:17.679 telling us in Victoria, those two have been arrested but 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.400 not charged debt. So we will keep an eye on 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:23.600 that story and keep everything updated to our viewers. 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:26.240 But Carly, I do want to talk to you about. 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.080 A topic that I know that you've been speaking about 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:31.159 quite a lot, and this comes from former Prime Minister 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:34.719 Julia Gillard. She was speaking at Manchester University and an 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:38.160 audience member asked her about the changes that she made 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.720 to the Sex Discrimination Act back in twenty thirteen and 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.679 the repercussions that it's then since had on women's rights. 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:45.080 Take a listen to her response. 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:47.480 I'm not sure that this is going to be too 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:51.720 interesting to the audience because it's a very Australian matter. 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:54.640 But let me just respond in the following way. If 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:58.320 you look at the parliamentary debates in the changes to 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:02.320 the Sex Discrimination Act twenty twelve, you'll find that the 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:07.719 issues you're referring to were not raised by anyone because 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:11.360 they simply weren't a matter of public discourse the way 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.400 they are today. So it was a different time. 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:18.920 What do you say to that, I mean, she has 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:22.359 not taken any form of accountability for the mess that 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:23.600 has since been created. 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:24.040 Has she? 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:25.520 No? 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:28.480 I think Anthony Albanezi and Jim Chalmers have learned from her. 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:29.800 That is insulting. 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:34.240 It didn't even need to be changed the Sex Discrimination Act. 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:38.639 We've now got a situation where because biological sex was 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:42.960 removed from the Act, courts are actually interpreting gender identity 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:46.199 to be the preferred option. The other thing is she 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:48.679 can't say that she's a protector and a supporter of 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:52.440 women and girls when she's quite prepared to allow biological 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:56.040 males into change rooms. It's very convenient this issue, as 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:58.520 you said, you've been talking about it as well, Jamie. 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:02.120 Everyone has been to talking about She removed that we've 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:05.720 got the giggle and tickle case here in Australia and 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:08.960 how insulting to say to a British audience. Oh, I 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:11.040 don't think this will be of much interest. It is 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:14.119 a vital interest because the rest of the world seems 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:16.719 to have come to its senses, in the United Kingdom 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:20.719 and the USA, but Australia is just refusing to actually 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:25.320 change what is patently clear that an adult female biological 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:31.040 I am I'm just so irritated by Julia Gillard. I mean, 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:32.760 now she's coming out saying it. 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:34.560 We all know where has she been. 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.879 It didn't need to be changed and these are the consequences. 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:40.679 And you're quite rightly said Jamie. She is not taking 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:45.439 any accountability or responsibility for her actions and allowing a 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:47.920 lot of people to go through a lot of trauma 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:50.359 through her negligence at the time. 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:54.520 Whilst Julia Gillard doesn't think that it's an issue that 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:56.520 people have in the UK care about there's been a 0:20:56.560 --> 0:21:00.240 lot of protests for them all standing up for australiallions 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:03.080 women's right. So it's been very interesting to watch Roe. 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:05.960 Before I let you go this one, I just found 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:10.000 so remarkable Snowy Hydro two point zero billions of dollars 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:14.080 over budget, years behind schedule, and then the Daily Telegraph 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:17.600 for reporting today that three thousand dollars of tax payer 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:20.680 money was used to pay an influencer to go and 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.600 visit the project, and I just thought, does this not 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:26.080 first LUSHO, how out of touch to government is. But 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:28.679 they're more focused on let's sell the project, let's get 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:30.800 an influencer out there, but let's not worry too much 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:31.840 about actually delivering it. 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:34.240 Yeah, I know, Jamie. 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:38.960 And the unfortunate thing around politics just at this moment 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:43.720 in time is it is around influencers, and it's become 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:49.159 a massive marketing game and even more than it ever was. 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:54.800 And the tials obviously during the last election used influences 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:56.600 to great effect. 0:21:56.640 --> 0:22:00.920 And obviously Labor is looking at that playbook. Who I mean. 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:05.840 The remarkable thing about Snowy Hydro is the costings for that. 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:08.560 The final costings won't be done until the end of 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:12.280 the year, but independent people are already saying it's probably 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:15.200 going to be around the forty billion dollar mark when 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:19.600 it was estimated to be around two billion. It's obviously 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:25.640 an important storage and peaking power facility, but it's certainly 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:29.800 not a base load power facility, and there's a strong 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:32.800 argument to suggest that maybe this should have been diversified 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:33.640 into some. 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:35.120 Other battery innovation. 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:39.159 But while we're on batteries as well, Jamie, that was 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:43.560 said in the last election by this labor Albanese government 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:47.439 that investment in batteries would be about two billion. I 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:49.960 think Chris Bowen said it his last estimate it's going 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:51.320 to be over seven billion. 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:53.600 So you can see how. 0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:57.960 There's a lack of rigor around costing for all these projects, 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:02.120 and of course that's then explaining why we've now got 0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:04.800 this enormous tax grabbed by this government. 0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:07.200 Yeah, it's an absolute mess. 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:10.240 That snowy Hydro two point zero Carolye and Roe, thank 0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:10.920 you so much. 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:14.119 Well, it's been another big day in Parliament. 0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:17.600 Before Minister's head off on the winter breaks, let's bring 0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:22.280 in now Shadow Minister for Energy Dan Tean Dan. I 0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:26.080 was watching question time today and there were some fiery 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:30.000 interactions and one of those in particular was with Tony 0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:33.520 Burke and it was around illegal boats arriving on our 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:36.760 shores last night with about twelve people on board. 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:37.920