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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the show. I've got an email.

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Speaker 2: You can always send me an email. It's pretty simple.

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Speaker 2: Send Osha email at gmail dot com. It's my email address.

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Speaker 1: It's been that way for years.

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Speaker 2: You welcome to it, Rob, send me an email, and

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Speaker 2: Rob said, hey man, you may want to check out

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Speaker 2: the latest episode of Song Explode of the podcast. It's

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Speaker 2: about a Flaming Lip song. I think you know the one,

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you Rob O Bloody Will. And sure enough

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Speaker 2: I popped on over and my podcast feed and I

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Speaker 2: found the Flaming Lips song do You Realize as the

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Speaker 2: subject of the latest episode of the fantastic podcast Song Exploder,

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Speaker 2: and listening to Wayne and Stephen from the Flaming Lips

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Speaker 2: talk about how they made that song, It's actually really

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Speaker 2: extraordinary how the lyrics grew up. They usually played the

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Speaker 2: original demo on a four track cassette recorder, which is great,

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Speaker 2: and Wayne talks us through the opening line, do you

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Speaker 2: realize that you have the most beautiful face? And then

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Speaker 2: he says something along the lines and I thought, ah,

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Speaker 2: I would never write something so cheesy.

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Speaker 1: What's going to rhyme with that?

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Speaker 2: And he whips out the line do you realize we're

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Speaker 2: floating in space. And I was in the backyard, you know,

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Speaker 2: picking up the dog poop with the tongs, and I

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Speaker 2: started to think about that exact idea and how it

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Speaker 2: may relate to our relationship with change. And then last night,

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Speaker 2: sitting in this auna, in the steam, dealing with the discomfort,

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Speaker 2: deliberately putting myself through the discomfort, I started to think

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Speaker 2: about that a lot about change, that change is painful,

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Speaker 2: and I started to wonder, why is it that we

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Speaker 2: expect things to stay the same? Why do we allow

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Speaker 2: ourselves to get so thrown by change? And I had

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Speaker 2: a few thoughts on that as I sat there staring

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Speaker 2: at stars, the photons of which we're now hitting my eyeballs,

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Speaker 2: that left that star before humanity even existed. And I

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Speaker 2: want to get to those sorts in just a moment,

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Speaker 2: but I do need to play some ads, so.

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Speaker 1: I'll be right back after the break. Good.

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Speaker 2: This is better than yesterday, helping you make today better

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Speaker 2: than the essay since twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 1: My name Josha Ginsburg. Thanks for being a part of

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 2: I'm a podcaster, I'm a best selling author, i am

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Speaker 2: a TV host, I'm a husband, I'm a dad, I'm

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Speaker 2: a stepdad, I'm a keynote speaker, I'm a charity motorcycle

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Speaker 2: ride rider. Boy oh boy, did a charity ride with

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Speaker 2: my wife on the back of the motorwike the other day.

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Speaker 2: It was fantastical at the best time ever, but far

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Speaker 2: out of my saw. Ah, I am sore because it's

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Speaker 2: between it's not a light motorbike's by two hundred sixty

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Speaker 2: kilos and then her and I on top of that.

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Speaker 2: You know I am heavier than my wife. Let's just

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Speaker 2: say that. There's no way to talk about it, like

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Speaker 2: two grown humans weight on top of this mike motorbike,

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Speaker 2: all right, stabilizing it at the lights every time. I

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Speaker 2: didn't realize it, sitting there in the sweatlas not going

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Speaker 2: fuck me. I'm sore today, that's for sure. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you're here today. You can find me at

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Speaker 2: Oshaginsberg dot com. There is a contact form there if

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Speaker 2: you want to get in touch with me, but there

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Speaker 2: is also Sendosha email at gmail dot com. So I

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Speaker 2: did listen to that song Exploder episode, and it's about

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Speaker 2: one of the most meaningful songs in my life. Do

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Speaker 2: you realize Wayne Coyne says in that song that everyone

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Speaker 2: you know someday will die. It's beautiful and poignant but

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Speaker 2: also terrifying and extraordinarily full of love. And that song

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Speaker 2: really changed a lot for me. But when I was

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Speaker 2: thinking about this the other night, I'm thinking about change,

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Speaker 2: and that change itself is something that we often fear.

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Speaker 2: In fact, we'll go to great lengths to avoid facing change.

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Speaker 2: But change is the way of the universe. As you

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Speaker 2: walk in. It's written on the wall next to the

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Speaker 2: oh and s laminet, which shows you the must point

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Speaker 2: in case of the woop whoop sound says right there.

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Speaker 2: Number one, Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed

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Speaker 2: from one form to another.

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Speaker 2: If you're the first to put your cofee up in

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Speaker 2: the dishwasher, change the sign to dirty. And three, everything

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Speaker 2: will go from organized to disorganized. Everything changes. It's irrational

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Speaker 2: for me, change has a lot to do with both

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Speaker 1: It is the fear of a change in a situation.

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Speaker 2: It could be losing something a job, a partner, or

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Speaker 2: gaining something, gaining a melanoma, gaining a day on your

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Speaker 2: situation being different to what you may expect it should be.

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Speaker 2: And the opposite of that is depression, which is past.

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Speaker 2: So anxiety's future depression. For me, at least, it's past.

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Speaker 2: It's lamenting the state of change that I'm in, the

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Speaker 2: current state of change that I'm in, wishing in futility

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Speaker 2: that it were different, wishing that ten seconds ago, ten

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Speaker 2: that would change the current state that I'm in. Both

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Speaker 2: of those situations incredibly painful, ultimately futile, but really horrible

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Speaker 2: to be stuck here. I've been stuck in both those

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Speaker 2: states of mine, but everything changes. It's irrational to expect

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Speaker 2: that anything will stay the same. Yet, when my thinking

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Speaker 2: Fear of change is something that gets used all the time.

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Speaker 2: Governments prey upon fear of change. In fact, every political

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Speaker 2: different life would be if the government adds and the

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Speaker 2: election ads were not fear of change, but were capacity

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Speaker 2: to cope rather than this policy that leader, you don't

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Speaker 2: want this, you don't want that. What about we're going

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Speaker 2: to be awesome, It's going to be great. We'll cope

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Speaker 2: like focusing on a capacity to cope instead, I think

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Speaker 2: that'd mean far more useful political at advertising, often will

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Speaker 2: stay in a relationship, or perhaps stay in a job

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Speaker 2: which may not be the best for us, the best

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Speaker 2: situation for us, because we fear change, rather than have

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Speaker 2: a belief in our capacity to cope with a new situation.

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Speaker 2: We keep a ten year old policy at work or

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Speaker 2: in a way of business because that's what we've always done,

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Speaker 2: that's what we'll always do. It might not be as

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Speaker 2: effective now jokes which your uncle at Christmas time used

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Speaker 2: to say, not so great now and that's okay.

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Speaker 1: You know, oh you way anything there he does.

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Speaker 2: Well, everything changes, man, Everything. Work isn't what it used

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Speaker 2: I saw this firsthand. One of my mates. She's spent

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Speaker 2: a few years raising beautiful family and they're all all

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Speaker 2: in high school and stuff now and she's back in

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Speaker 2: the cubicle for a couple of hours day and she's like,

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Speaker 2: what the fuck is slack?

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Speaker 2: She hasn't you know, she hasn't logged onto her fair enough.

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Speaker 2: She's been busy raising incredible These kids are incredible. She's

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Speaker 2: now she's like trying to deal with all these brand

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Speaker 2: new tools. Last time she was sitting in front of

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Speaker 2: a computer, it looked like a massive freaking television.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a flat screen. But yeah, everything changes.

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Speaker 2: People talk about, oh my kid, she's a different kid

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Speaker 2: is like, ah, they're just not the person I'm married. Well, no,

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Speaker 2: Now I'm not the person my wife married, I'm really not.

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Speaker 2: And if I want to get really into it, so

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Speaker 2: I got married. Well, I met my wife. Let's say

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Speaker 2: The blood cells in my body they have a lifespan

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Speaker 1: I'm literally not the person she was when she met me.

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Speaker 2: That even blows my mind that me sitting here, there's

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Speaker 2: but it's freaking cool because everything changes and it's irrational

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Speaker 2: can that idea help us deal with change? I have

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Speaker 2: Speaking of change, I've got to make some change here.

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Speaker 2: a moment. So, while I was probably selling you something

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Speaker 2: have been on a massive, humongous space adventure, hurtling through

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Speaker 2: So I'm sitting in Sydney in Australia right now, and

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Speaker 2: where I'm sitting right now is thirty three thousand, two

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying any of this stuff to make any

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: We cannot change our universe, but we can change how

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Speaker 1: What we're put there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll ask Pam to laminate it and pop

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Speaker 1: That'll be good. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I knew getting that sworn it was a good idea,

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Speaker 2: but holy shit, those are the stuff I sitting there

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Speaker 1: It's pretty good.

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