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Speaker 2: Thanks for dayloading the show. This is Better than Yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Useful tools and useful conversations to help make your day

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Speaker 2: to day better than yesterday. Every episode since twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 2: By Name's Osha Ginsburg. I'm very glad you're here. I'm

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Speaker 2: a podcast an author, a TV host.

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Speaker 1: I'm a dad, I'm a stepdad.

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Speaker 2: I am someone who has been Oh he used to

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Speaker 2: host television, but at the moment, I'm hosting a delightful

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Speaker 2: pathogen that I eldest brought back from her overseas adventures.

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Speaker 2: The whole house has gone through a gastro adventure. My

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Speaker 2: fucking god, man, but gastro is so bad. I had

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Speaker 2: to go to the doctor. Audrey don't want to look

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Speaker 2: at me yesterday. Who's like, just you're gonna have to

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Speaker 2: go go now. So I went and I sat down

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Speaker 2: in front of a doctor and I'm just a lot

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Speaker 2: like death warmed up. And he says the two worst

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Speaker 2: things about gastro is one you think you're gonna die,

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Speaker 2: and two you think you won't. And he's not wrong

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Speaker 2: because at you know, one point thirty in the morning,

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Speaker 2: when I'm oh, my god, feel like my soul has

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Speaker 2: been removed but I didn't leave. I didn't want to

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Speaker 2: leave you without a podcast today, and so it's a

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Speaker 2: bit of a treat. But it's also, I guess, in

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Speaker 2: alignment with the Mrahiano episode which we had on Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: We spoke a bit about her time on Australian Idol,

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Speaker 2: and so it's a bit of a treat today in

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Speaker 2: a bit of alignment with that. And to celebrate that

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Speaker 2: the story Club YouTube is finally live, I finally got

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Speaker 2: it up there. I'm going to share a story from

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Speaker 2: our most recent story Club show in November. The theme

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Speaker 2: was the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, and

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Speaker 2: it's related to Mraciano because I first met her on

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Speaker 2: the TV show Australian Idol singing competition show. And if

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Speaker 2: you remember that show or any kind of show where

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Speaker 2: there's a moment where somebody reads a card to say

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Speaker 2: your name. On Idol, we take a long time to

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Speaker 2: say those names. For example, and the person leaving is.

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Speaker 1: Jonathan. You know, if you've ever wondered.

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Speaker 2: Why, Hopefully this will finally reveal the very true reason,

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Speaker 2: and also a few other things that I still can't

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Speaker 2: believe actually made it to air. Because we're very cheeky

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Speaker 2: about how we did things. If you want to watch

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Speaker 2: this story, I'll put it up on YouTube right now.

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Speaker 2: The link is in the show notes. Story Club returns

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Speaker 2: for live gigs in February. It's a monthly storytelling show

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Speaker 2: where there's only two rules. The story must be true

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Speaker 2: and the story must be less than fifteen hundred words.

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Speaker 2: So we're back in a moment with that, I do

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Speaker 2: need to play some ads, so just hold fire. I'll

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Speaker 2: be right back. All right, let's get into this. Going

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Speaker 2: to take you to the Factory Theater in Marrickville in

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Speaker 2: the inner west of Sydney. It's a Sunday night, the

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Speaker 2: ninth of November twenty twenty five. I'm sitting in a

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Speaker 1: And if you did.

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Speaker 2: Get nostalgic listening to m Rociano talking about the Australian

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Speaker 2: idle times, I hope you enjoy this behind the scenes

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Speaker 2: But everyone was thankful, a little bit too busy to.

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Speaker 2: Out on what was at the time the most watched

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Speaker 2: television program in Australian history.

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Speaker 2: It's twenty past eight on a Monday night and I

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Speaker 2: am about to execute perfectly a downward Donahue right into

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Speaker 2: the finalists on Australian Idol, but not before they sing

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Speaker 2: Oh God, that sad is so satisfying. I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: We're being very, very naughty boys.

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Speaker 2: Notable instances include sneaking over to the AUTOQ desk during

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Speaker 2: In season four, the contestant Chris Murphy is about to

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Speaker 2: sing the Steedee Wrights song EV, a classic.

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Speaker 2: national television fearlessly rises to our challenge as he hammers

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Speaker 2: When in my earpiece our director's assistant, Madeline, not the

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Speaker 2: Lily Allen one Maddie. She tells me we're clear by

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Speaker 2: Khalia James challenges me first six pandas sorry, six polar bears.

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Speaker 2: competition is in my ear Maddie is screaming Khalia Khalia,

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Speaker 1: But I stand fast. We're on live national television. No

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Speaker 2: It's very cheeky and gosh, it's incredibly satisfying. Greg my

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Speaker 1: Jay, say the fucking name, Laura Chizzara.

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Speaker 2: This is the reason why reality television is so popular.

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Speaker 2: The other day my friend Cam asks Wolfe, Hey, you

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Speaker 2: He's six years old and Wolfgang has just performed a

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Speaker 2: found this one. Thanks for listening. Thanks to Adam A.

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Speaker 2: Bunch of cutting it together. Please like this episode, share

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Speaker 2: it follow If there's someone in your life that was

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Speaker 2: an Australian Idol super fan, please do share it with

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Speaker 2: much for listening.

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Speaker 1: I'll see you Wednesday,