1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: From the newsroom and news still come to me youday there. 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Bucklow. Happy Friday to you. 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 3: Hey. 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: Have you seen this wild outburst from American actor Mickey Rourke. 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: My word, he's on Celebrity Big Brother in the UK 6 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: right now and he has made some wildly offensive comments 7 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: to gay pop star Jojo Siwa. 8 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 3: We all vote each other out. Yeah yeah, eventually I'm 9 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 3: going to vote the lesbian out real quick. That's on 10 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 3: a bull back, So that's on a ball beg. 11 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: If that was the reasoning I need a bag. 12 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 3: That target deal. 13 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: You can't. You can't. 14 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 4: You can't say that, Mickey. 15 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: I know, but he was talking about a cigarette. I 16 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: know you, I know. 17 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, you really cannot say that, Mickey. There's been a 18 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 2: massive furlout from those comments. Not surprisingly, you can read 19 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: all about that at news dot com at dot au 20 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: right now, which also happens to be the website for 21 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: the latest coverage of the federal election. Seamless segue there 22 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 2: by me. We've just wrapped up week two of the 23 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 2: campaign before we head to the polls on May three, 24 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: and in today's episode of the podcast, our political gurus 25 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: are Samantha Maiden and Sam Clinch will be getting you 26 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 2: up to speed on the latest. They'll be discussing Dutton's backflip, 27 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: elbows fall, and the odd revelation about the first leader's debate. 28 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 5: Hello everyone, I'm Samuel Clinch and I'm joined by my 29 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 5: much more illustrious and insightful colleague, News dot com dot 30 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 5: u's political editor, Samantha Maiden. I'm going to pick her 31 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 5: brain about the state of the campaign and how the 32 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 5: two leaders are doing and all that jazz. Now, this 33 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 5: is meant to be a weekly thing, but we were 34 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 5: derailed for the first week because the powers that be 35 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 5: chucked me on one of the election buses, mister Albanezi's bus. So, Sam, 36 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 5: you and I have not really chatted about any of 37 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 5: this yet. I'm interested to get your view, first of all, 38 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 5: on the controlled nature of this campaign so far. Do 39 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 5: you think mister Albinisia and mister Dutton are exposing themselves 40 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 5: to the public enough? 41 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 3: Will you tell me you've been on the campaign. 42 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 6: I'm glad that you're alive, although possibly barely tell us 43 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 6: exactly what happens because like so many people, I think, 44 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 6: don't know what happens on the bus, So you get 45 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 6: jetted in onto the campaign and like, how does it work? 46 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 6: What time are they getting you up and marshaling you 47 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 6: onto buses at four am in the morning? 48 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 3: Tell us exactly what happens? 49 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 5: Well, I have to say, actually, compared to previous campaigns, 50 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 5: it was not that grueling this time, at least not 51 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 5: in the first week. The people following Peter Dutton had 52 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 5: a far worse They were getting up at about five 53 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 5: in the morning every day. I was having a lovely 54 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 5: sleep in until seven. We tell breakfast very luxurious by 55 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,119 Speaker 5: the standards of these things. It's my third time doing 56 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 5: this after twenty nineteen and twenty twenty two. So when 57 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 5: I say this, I'm not saying it specifically about Anthony 58 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 5: Albanezi or Peter Dutton. It applied to Scott Morrison and 59 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 5: Bill Shorten as well. But following the campaigns around the country, 60 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 5: while fun, can also be actually quite a frustrating experience 61 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 5: because it feels like quite a lot of what the 62 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 5: candidates do doesn't actually have much probit of value. It 63 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 5: feels contrived quite often, it feels pantomime almost. You essentially 64 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 5: have one or two press conferences a day and that's 65 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 5: your chance to actually scrutinize the candidates and their policies 66 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 5: and all that stuff. That stuff can be valuable, But 67 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 5: around that you have a few pre organized photo ops 68 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 5: and I think that's the right word, where they really 69 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 5: tell you very little about the people who are seeking 70 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 5: power in this country. There's no risk involved in any 71 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 5: of them. They're essentially just pr exercises. It is different 72 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 5: when they actually interact with the general public. I'm not 73 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 5: talking about people who've been vetted beforehand, people that the 74 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 5: campaign knows are not going to be hostile to the candidate. 75 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 5: I'm talking about when they, for example, walk through a 76 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 5: shopping center and they could run into anybody while they're 77 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 5: doing that. They might be hostile, they might have very 78 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 5: contrary views. It is so much more informative watching a 79 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 5: politician interact with a member of the public in that 80 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 5: way than it is to listen to them by journalists, 81 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 5: because it's just a very different language. 82 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 3: And in the rare occasions that has happened, like what 83 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 3: did you see in terms of the way, for example 84 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 3: the Prime minister, because that was the bus year on, 85 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 3: how does he interact with members of the public. 86 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 5: Well, that's sort of the point that I'm making is 87 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 5: that it didn't really happen at all. What I want 88 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 5: more of from both candidates, because my understanding is both 89 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 5: candidates have been similar in this regard is exposure to 90 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 5: people who are not vetted, to people who might be hostile, 91 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 5: who might actually argue with them, because it's very informative 92 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 5: to watch a politician interact with someone like that, where 93 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 5: they can't folp them off the same way they fob 94 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 5: off a journalists. They can't, you know, smirk and move 95 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 5: on to another question. They have to engage respectfully and honestly. 96 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 5: And there was none of that for the first week 97 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 5: the campaign, but we have to expect some of those 98 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 5: events coming in the coming weeks. They can't go through 99 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 5: a whole campaign without exposing themselves to that sort of scrutiny. 100 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 6: Well, they might give it a red hot go, but 101 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,559 Speaker 6: I mean, so you want a little bit more Reality TV, 102 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 6: actual reality if you like. But I'm also interested in 103 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 6: what do you think is the vibe on the campaign. 104 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,559 Speaker 6: I mean Anthony Abanez, he started this election with everyone 105 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 6: giving him a kicking and saying that maybe Peter Dutton 106 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 6: could get there. The minute that he started talking about 107 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 6: medicare and holding up his little green card. It might 108 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 6: annoy some journalists, but like it's working right and he's 109 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 6: doing a lot better. Is there a hint of hubris 110 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 6: kicking into the campaign? Is he getting a lot more 111 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 6: confident or is he still nervous? 112 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 3: What's the vibe? 113 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 5: He's much more confident than twenty twenty two. He is 114 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 5: definitely more comfortable in his skin. He is definitely feeling 115 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 5: more confident as a leader, just the way he's handling questions, 116 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 5: all that sort of thing. You asked whether some hubris 117 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 5: is creeping in. I think it is, and I think 118 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 5: it's likely to at some point, to some extent, blow 119 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 5: up in his face. I think it is confidence straying 120 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 5: into cockiness, not without reason, because I think he has 121 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,679 Speaker 5: on balance performed better than Peter Dunnan so far throughout 122 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 5: the campaign. But you know, campaigns are long, and you're 123 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 5: going to trip up at some point, and if you've 124 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 5: been acting cocky the whole time, you're going to look 125 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 5: a little more silly than you would have otherwise. 126 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, So what else do you think has been going? 127 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 6: I mean, did you get any other feedback from I mean, 128 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 6: Jess Wang has been on the Dutton campaign, for us, 129 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 6: and hopefully we'll have a chat with her as well 130 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 6: when she gets off the bus. It can be really 131 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 6: hard to do these things when you're on the bus 132 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 6: because you're flying around. Did you get any more feedback, 133 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 6: you know, from what it was like on the Dutton 134 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 6: bus at all. 135 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 136 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 5: Look, I've been complaining about the controlled nature of the 137 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 5: Albanese campaign, but the Dutton campaign has been even more 138 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 5: so from what I've heard, Yes, they've been having long a. 139 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 3: Viable control freaks. 140 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, much more secretive about what's coming. So the way 141 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 5: it works on the bus is generally you're not you're 142 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 5: not told where you're going until you're en route to it. 143 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 5: But there are differences in the campaign as to how 144 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 5: secretive the campaigns are. So some of them really keep 145 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 5: a tight lid on all information. Some of them will 146 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 5: give you hints and sort of give you an idea 147 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 5: of what to expect. The alban Using campaign has fallen 148 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 5: into the latter category. From what I've heard from Jess. 149 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 5: The Dutton campaign is much more secretive. 150 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 6: So Okay, there's been some big moments I suppose during 151 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 6: this campaign, and some of them in the last week 152 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 6: at least have related to those backflips, and so we're 153 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 6: kind of veering more into the Dutton bus than the 154 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 6: Outbow bus. But the work from home backflip from Peter 155 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 6: Dutton was obviously really huge. 156 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 3: We should obviously set that up a bit for people. 157 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 6: Jane Hume popped into the Australian Financial Review last month 158 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 6: and did this whole thing about how these naughty public servants, 159 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 6: according to her, were like traveling around the country and 160 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 6: camper vans while they were working, and you know, she 161 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 6: wanted to. 162 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 3: Get everyone back to work five days a week. 163 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 6: And it was interesting because it's kind of like an 164 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,239 Speaker 6: example I think of how that Trumpian fact is starting 165 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 6: to bite Peter Dutton, Whereas initially I think there was 166 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 6: this idea that there was this whole zeitgeist and Peter 167 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 6: Dutton was going to ride the Trump wave into the lodge. 168 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 6: And now it's all kind of flipping. And so that 169 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 6: idea of work from home was obviously a big elon 170 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 6: Musk idea, and I think for a while they thought 171 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 6: it was going to be really popular. But I wrote 172 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 6: a piece for news dot com this week about how 173 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 6: you know, in one of these early press conferences he 174 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,239 Speaker 6: started to get Pepper with questions about you know, maybe 175 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 6: mum's parents would really like a little bit of work 176 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 6: from home, even if they have to go into the 177 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 6: work three days or whatever. And you could see the 178 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 6: color just draining from his face as they kind of said, 179 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 6: put a gender frame around it. 180 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 7: I've apologized for the decision that we took in relation 181 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 7: to work from home. We got it wrong. 182 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 6: What do you make of how big a deal it 183 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 6: was that Peter Dutton's had to like tear that all up. 184 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 5: There's the gender framing, there's also the similarities to Trump. 185 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 5: I think it's like one of the worst things in 186 00:08:55,360 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 5: politics as hypocrisy. So Alban easy, he spoke quite a 187 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 5: lot during week one of the campaign. En I was 188 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 5: with him about Peter Dutton's suggestion that he would live 189 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 5: in Sydney rather than Canberra, where he to win the election. 190 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 5: But the hypocrisy does bite. So this idea that Peter 191 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 5: Dutton is telling public servants you can't work from home, 192 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 5: but that he also at the same time wants to 193 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 5: work from home himself, that is damaging. 194 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 6: We should say there are Commonwealth officers in Sydney as well. 195 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 3: But yeah, that's the frame. 196 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, I should train that as that's the line from labor, 197 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 5: which I think does bite, but it's not entirely fair. 198 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 5: And we've had PMS because the lodge is going undergoing 199 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 5: renouts at some point, we've had PMS work from Sydney before. 200 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 5: It's fine, they can do it. The similarities with Trump 201 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 5: as well though very striking. I mean, you have Donald 202 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 5: Trump out there in recent months saying that people who 203 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 5: work in Washington and public servants are secretly golfing while 204 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 5: they're meant to be working, and you have him saying this, well, that's. 205 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 3: No projection, isn't it into golfing. 206 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 5: It's a similar thing. You know, it's one standard for 207 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 5: the general public and one standard for the leader. That 208 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 5: sort of stuff never goes down. Well, I felt that 209 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 5: in week one of the campaign, Peter Dubtin actually struck 210 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 5: quite a good balance when it came to addressing Donald Trump, 211 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 5: addressing the tariffs and his previous praise of the guy. 212 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 5: I think he got it a bit more right than 213 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 5: he had in the past. But there's just no escaping 214 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 5: that Trump is looming over all of this. 215 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 6: He's like, I don't know if you ever saw that 216 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 6: giant inflated whale figure that floated over Canberra. It was 217 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 6: like a sort of grotesque, slightly vulgar balloon that looked 218 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 6: like it was well, I don't want to go into 219 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 6: too much detail. 220 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 3: The people that remember will remember, but. 221 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 6: It's like there's alike, there's a giant plastic inflatable Trump 222 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 6: effigy floating through the sky of this whole campaign, and 223 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 6: in it keeps bobbing up and so you know, there's 224 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 6: a lot of I think fallout of that from both 225 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 6: sides of politics. 226 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 3: But I think the thing. 227 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 6: That surprised me a little bit is initially, when this 228 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 6: whole tariff thing came up, I think we were seeing 229 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 6: it through the frame of if Anthony Aberzi can't get 230 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 6: an exemption, he's going to be cooked during the election 231 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 6: command this is going to be really bad for him. 232 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 6: But instead it started to change a bit as we 233 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 6: go along, because first of all, everybody got hit with taris. 234 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 6: Some people got hit by five, six, seven times at Vietnam. 235 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 6: What we did ten percent not great. Still an aluminium 236 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 6: obviously was already at twenty five percent not good. But 237 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 6: there's this sense that rather than us being singled out 238 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 6: or some sort of failure on the part of Anthony 239 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 6: Albanezi that it's just Donald Trump being mad. 240 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 3: Right, So there's that. The other big event this week 241 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 3: was the debate. 242 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 6: Now, I don't know if you were so traumatized from 243 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 6: your experiences on the road that you were like tucked 244 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 6: up in some sort of coma in bed. But did 245 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 6: you catch any of the debate or any of the 246 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 6: reporting of the debate afterwards? 247 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: What did you make of that? 248 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 5: Yes, I did watch the debate and I thought they 249 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 5: both performed okay, you know they were fine. 250 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 3: Did you think it was boring? 251 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying? 252 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 4: Uh? 253 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 5: To be fair, I've thought every Australian political debate was 254 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 5: boring for about fifteen years now. So slight against Albanzi 255 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 5: or Dutton. 256 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 6: We need to talk about this first of all, because 257 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 6: you were quite concerned about this. You were a little 258 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 6: kind of freaked out that poor Peter Dutton, his dear 259 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 6: dad had a heart attack before he went on stage, 260 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 6: and you were kind. 261 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 3: Of like, what can't they call it off? What is 262 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 3: going on? 263 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 6: And it's now emerged that very stoic Peter Dutton actually 264 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 6: had a conversation with the Prime Minister and said, my 265 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 6: sisters are there, I'm hearing what's happening. He's got a 266 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 6: pre existing edition. Of course, he's very worried and concerned 267 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 6: about his dad, but wanted to press ahead and didn't 268 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 6: want almost the sympathy because I was expecting Kieran Gilbert 269 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 6: to say, mate, we know you've had a tough time 270 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 6: today with your dad, like we hope you're okay. I 271 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 6: don't know if he felt so emotional about it. He 272 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 6: didn't want it to be raised. You know how you 273 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 6: have that thing where if you're filling upset and someone says. 274 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 3: To you, how are you and then you lose it. 275 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 6: I don't know if it was about that, but he 276 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 6: was quite emotional the next day but didn't want it 277 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 6: mentioned during the debate. Did you still find that weird 278 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 6: or did it make sense to you later? 279 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 5: No, Look, I just still find it. But I want 280 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 5: to frame that by saying, you can't really judge people 281 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 5: in this situation. Yeah, people deal with these situations in 282 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 5: their own way. So I don't want this to be 283 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 5: framed as criticism of Peter Dutton because I'm not inside 284 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 5: his heads. I do think to the general public it's 285 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 5: a bit odd for the thing to go ahead and 286 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 5: for it to not even be mentioned. I think most 287 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 5: of us, if a parent had a heart attack, would 288 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 5: drop everything and go to hospital, which is not to 289 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 5: say that's what he should have done. I just think 290 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 5: behaving like nothing's happened is odd and would come off 291 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 5: as odd. 292 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 3: It was really interesting how I think he was quite 293 00:13:58,559 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 3: emotional the next day. 294 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 6: Could he could hear that he was really choking up 295 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 6: when he talks about his dad. 296 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 7: He's doing well, he's stoic, he's a tough bugger. He 297 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 7: re tired all of his life and he's been an 298 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 7: amazing dad. So yeah, of course, of course you think 299 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 7: about him, but he's yeah, he's fine, he's doing well. 300 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 6: Obviously very close family, so quite traumatic and a nice 301 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 6: little bit of bipartisanship, even though we didn't hear too 302 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 6: much of it publicly. Apparently Anthony Abanez he also rang 303 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 6: Peter Dutton and had a private conversation with him and 304 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 6: checked that his dad was okay. So you know, look, 305 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 6: we do like to be tough on politicians, but they 306 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 6: are human. 307 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: Back with more from Sam Maiden than Sam Clench in 308 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: just a moment, welcome back, you're listening. Ten years dot 309 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: com dot us political gurus Samantha Maiden and Sam Clench 310 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 2: discussing week two of the federal election campaign. 311 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 3: I suppose the. 312 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 6: Other issue that's come up today is this week, I 313 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 6: should say, is crazy candidates. Do you have any favorite 314 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 6: crazy candidates? I mean, my personal favorite was always the 315 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 6: guy in Melbourne about ten years ago who was revealed 316 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 6: to have been running a brothel. Not what you're always 317 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 6: expecting from a politician, But hey, you know, sex workers 318 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 6: legal or no judgment. Do you have any preferred interesting 319 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 6: characters on the campaign trial that you've come across. 320 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 5: We did have this person this week. Ben Britton written, Yes, 321 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 5: who's been done by the liberals over his views on 322 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 5: women in the military. 323 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, well that's the first problem. But I mean 324 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 6: he's proving to be a real box of chocolates, Ben Britain. 325 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 6: You have one and you go back and there's just 326 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 6: more flavors of weird. And so basically this was a 327 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 6: story that Natalie Brown broke on news dot Com, which 328 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 6: is fantastic. Was actually the first candidate to go down 329 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 6: screaming during the campaign. So hats off to nat Brown there. 330 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 6: And look, he did basically say that he didn't think 331 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 6: women should be in combat roles if. 332 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 4: We're had to fix our defense force. Unfortunately, they're going 333 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 4: to need to remove females from combat cause they pushed 334 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 4: them into these roles. Seeing what's actually happening is the 335 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 4: discharge rate, the medical discharge rate for females is off 336 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 4: the planet. The concept of diversity inequity and these work 337 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 4: Marxist ideologies. Young women have been put on the altar 338 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 4: and sacrifice and look. 339 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 6: You know, there'll be plenty of people who agree with 340 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 6: him have a concerned about it as well. Right, And 341 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 6: he basically then came out and said, well, I'm not 342 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 6: saying anything that you know, Jim Molan didn't say. The 343 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 6: late Jim Molan, I'm not saying anything that Andrew Hasty 344 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 6: didn't say, is the current defense spokesperson for the Colors. 345 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 6: And he had to come out and say, well, I 346 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 6: made those remarks seven years ago. It was just a 347 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 6: personal view, but we will in government enforce you know, 348 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 6: tough physical requirements, which seemed to be a bit of 349 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 6: code for suggesting maybe they thought they could get women 350 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 6: out of the mix through some sort of blank test. 351 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 3: I don't know. 352 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 6: But then we've done further investigations into this. Ben Britain 353 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 6: guy and he looked at he's actually quite an interesting 354 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 6: guy because he's served overseas Paratrooper East Team or no 355 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 6: doubt had some tricky experiences. But the problem is there's 356 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 6: a lot of material online from podcasts that sam podcast 357 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 6: can be very dangerous. 358 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 3: We need to be careful what. 359 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 6: We say about on this podcast because it may come 360 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 6: back to haunt us in for thirty years if any 361 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 6: of us a political candidates. I don't think we will 362 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 6: be but podcasts can be very dangerous. And one of 363 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 6: the things that he said in the podcast was that 364 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 6: he thought that pornography was making men want to become 365 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 6: trans and want to become women. So who knew, right, 366 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 6: And then we've got Clive Palmer who talked about furries 367 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 6: sometimes you know, people that become cats. So look, there's 368 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 6: a fair bit going on there with Ben Britton, and 369 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 6: I think that there might be more to come anyway. 370 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 6: So just to wrap up, what are we expecting for 371 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 6: the rest of the week. We've got the campaign launchers. 372 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 6: Peter dutt't better get his skates on, and I suppose 373 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 6: and Anthony Aberneze if he wants him to release any 374 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 6: more policies. What do you think they need to get 375 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 6: right or does Anthony Aberanese just need to hold the position. 376 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 6: He's like someone who's sitting on a perfect atar. He 377 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 6: just needs to make sure that he doesn't stuff it 378 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 6: up in the exams. 379 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 5: I would not know what that's like. No, I wanted 380 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 5: to ask you the campaign launches. The campaigns always make 381 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 5: a big deal of this. It's like a big speech, 382 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 5: like all the front benches show up, does it matter? 383 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 5: Does anybody care? 384 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 6: Well, look, it's a set piece, isn't it on the 385 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 6: six pm news? Look, sometimes you can have really big 386 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 6: moments from campaign and look, let's be frank here. I mean, 387 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 6: there is the opportunity for Anthony Albeneasy to fall off 388 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 6: the stage again and claim that it didn't happen, so. 389 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 3: That how goodness that he fell off a stage. 390 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 6: He's like, no, I didn't, Prime Minister, we saw that 391 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 6: you fell from the stage and says not this afternoon, 392 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 6: are you okay? 393 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 2: No? 394 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 5: I stepped back one step. 395 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 3: I didn't fall off the stage. It looked like it 396 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 3: looks like you went down. I'm glad to hear you're. 397 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 6: Okay, thank you very much. 398 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 5: Just one leg went down. 399 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 6: But I was anyway whatever, look, I mean, it's it's good. 400 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 6: They'll launch their campaigns and then you know we'll be 401 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 6: we'll be off and racing. But you know there's still 402 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 6: plenty of room for kooky stuff to happen between here 403 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 6: at an election campaign night. 404 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 5: Oh I pertinly hope. 405 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 2: So a very big thank you to both Sam Maiden 406 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 2: and Sam Clench. 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