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Speaker 1: Welcome to Ask Fear and Greed, where we answer questions

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Speaker 1: about business, investing, economics, politics and more. I'm Michael Thompson

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Speaker 1: and hello Sean ale Marlow. Michael got a special Anzac

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Speaker 1: Day edition to Mars Fear and Green today and it

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Speaker 1: is obviously a very topical question. The question, Sean is

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Speaker 1: why can you only play two up on an Zac.

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Speaker 2: Day as in legally?

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Speaker 1: I suppose yeah, I mean theoretically you could play it

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Speaker 1: at any point, but you would technically be breaking the

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Speaker 1: law right in most cases.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So there are exceptions, so nine to eighty nine

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Speaker 2: New South Wales in that jurisdiction, for example, pastor Law

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Speaker 2: saying that you could play two up games legally on

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Speaker 2: Anzac Day. There are another couple of days are Victory

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Speaker 2: in the Pacific Day which is actually August fifteenth, and

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Speaker 2: Rememberance Day the eleventh eleventh. Of course you can play

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Speaker 2: two up on those days legally as well, but only

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Speaker 2: after midday. The funny thing in this though, you can

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Speaker 2: play two up anytime you want. If you're in Broken

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Speaker 2: Hill in far western New South We've got Digga Adanski

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Speaker 2: with us.

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Speaker 1: We have brought in an expert, a two up expert,

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Speaker 1: because we were talking about two up in the office

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Speaker 1: and suddenly our fear and greed colleague Adam Lang, who

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Speaker 1: you know from the weekend edition, suddenly piped up with

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Speaker 1: all of these two up facts, Like you just know

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Speaker 1: everything there is to know about this.

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Speaker 3: It's just learnt on the job, Michael Research, let's call it.

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Speaker 1: Because you used to work in slash manage a public house,

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Speaker 1: a pub in Perth.

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Speaker 3: I did there?

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Speaker 4: We go?

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Speaker 1: So you did you have to coordinate the two up competition?

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Speaker 4: Yes, and so obviously before midday is important because you know,

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Speaker 4: it is a day of deep honor, acknowledging sacrifice that many,

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Speaker 4: many made for our country, and so that part is

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Speaker 4: very very important. And then you have all these service people,

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Speaker 4: really a lot of them go to the pub, and

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Speaker 4: a lot of their families want to celebrate with.

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Speaker 3: Them, their grandchildren many times.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so yeah, you get all these pubs and

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Speaker 4: venues that are licensed to sell alcohol and on this

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Speaker 4: day licensed also or able to run a game of

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Speaker 4: two up. So you have you know, the paddle and

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Speaker 4: the two coins. That's all you need, and a bunch

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Speaker 4: of people willing to bend on the outcome being either

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Speaker 4: heads or tails. Or one of each, which is no

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Speaker 4: one wins.

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Speaker 2: So for those that don't know the rules of two up,

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Speaker 2: there's basically two coins. They're flipped off a paddle style

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Speaker 2: puddle thing, and if you get lands on two heads

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Speaker 2: or two tails, there's a winner and a loser. If

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Speaker 2: it's one of each, it's flipped again. So that's the rules,

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Speaker 2: and people put money in and better normal well, it

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Speaker 2: depends where you're doing it, but often people will take

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Speaker 2: on another person. It's like on one exactly, rather than

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Speaker 2: a pool of money or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: And always that's the part that always gets me. It

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Speaker 1: always just feels like absolute chaos when there is just

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Speaker 1: people everywhere and they're just all shouting out at each other,

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Speaker 1: and somehow people just kind of find someone to bet

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Speaker 1: with all better gainst and it just kind of happens and.

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Speaker 2: The money passes over too. That's what like people say,

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Speaker 2: I'm not giving you the money, like it's.

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Speaker 3: Just that wouldn't that wouldn't do. It doesn't fly, I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't do.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of pressure on the person who's you

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Speaker 1: have to.

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Speaker 4: Give it a sufficient throat, like you can't just sort

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Speaker 4: of tip it over and have the coins land on

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Speaker 4: the floor, you've got to really throw it up in

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Speaker 4: the air, not too fast so that the coins go lost.

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Speaker 2: It's called a Kip's paddle and it's got a land

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Speaker 2: within what they call a ring.

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Speaker 3: Yes, makes sense.

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Speaker 2: The owner of the game is.

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Speaker 3: The boxer, okay, you pretty handy.

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Speaker 2: Organizer of the activity is the ringer, different to the owner,

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Speaker 2: and the spinner is the person whose job it is

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Speaker 2: to toss the coins at least three meters in the air.

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Speaker 3: Good and that's right.

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Speaker 1: And if it doesn't go high enough, or if one

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Speaker 1: coin goes out of out of the again and just

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Speaker 1: the abuse hurled at that poor.

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Speaker 3: Person spinner a little unkind.

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Speaker 1: And it depends on how late in the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: how vigorous that abuse actually is. But it's fascinating, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: The fact that we just have this carve out for

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Speaker 1: Anzac Day and for those other days that you mentioned

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Speaker 1: where this is this is actually okay. It becomes a

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Speaker 1: real cultural thing.

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Speaker 2: It became famous in the First and Second World War

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Speaker 2: because the diggers would play it. Actually first recorded in

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Speaker 2: eighteen fifty four on the gold Fields.

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Speaker 3: Oh really you no warfare required for this one, No,

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Speaker 3: just have a go.

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Speaker 1: Will either of you two be partaking this afternoon in

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Speaker 1: any tour?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think it's It's look Anzac day to me

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Speaker 4: is a really good day, you know, for a number

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Speaker 4: of reasons, starting with the dawn service and then and

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Speaker 4: then some kind of acknowledgment in socializing seems appropriate.

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Speaker 1: How about you shot full on training, Michael, bike ride.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to catch up to a dance ski here,

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Speaker 2: No chance because.

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Speaker 1: Of course you are now what only a few weeks

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Speaker 1: away from your bike ride?

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Speaker 3: Well two actually two and a bit.

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Speaker 2: We've got to taper, don't you.

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Speaker 1: What are you taping?

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Speaker 3: I means reduce your training ahead of the beginning.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you can tell out of the three of us

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Speaker 1: in the studio which one is not participating in the

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Speaker 1: bike ride itself. But you guys are riding three hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty k's. Yeah, for Royal Far West, the Royal

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Speaker 1: Country Kids.

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Speaker 2: We're actually riding for the kids who get a lesser

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Speaker 2: start in life. Yeah, which obviously yeah, charity, but it's

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Speaker 2: for those kids.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's a fantastic cause and we've had some terrific support coming.

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Speaker 3: It's very humbling, actually very humbling.

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Speaker 1: Amazing anyway, Look, we've kind of veered off topic, much

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Speaker 1: like Sean will on his bike hopefully not. Have you

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Speaker 1: seen the episode of Frasier when Fraser is learning to

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Speaker 1: ride a bike as an adult, He never learned how

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Speaker 1: to ride a bike and when it was when it

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Speaker 1: was learning and he can't take his eyes off a

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Speaker 1: tree or whatever it is, and because he's focused on

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Speaker 1: this tree, he just rides into it every single time.

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Speaker 1: And I just have this image of Sean, you out

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Speaker 1: somewhere near Burke and there's this just one loan tree and.

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Speaker 2: Just the only tree.

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Speaker 1: Sean, come back, You're gonna hit it. Anyway. I will

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Speaker 1: be waiting for those reports from you, Adam from a distance.

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Speaker 3: And what about you, Michael and anzec day, how are

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Speaker 3: you spending it?

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Speaker 1: Look this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the difference compelling answers to the difference

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Speaker 2: between having young kids and older kids very well.

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Speaker 1: Just it's because the dawn service is always part of

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Speaker 1: the day for me, absolutely, but the afternoon. In the past,

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Speaker 1: we would always go to the pub pre kids, and

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Speaker 1: you would you would spend the afternoon there.

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Speaker 3: And evening and night and next morning.

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Speaker 1: But now it is it's a lot more subdued, and

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Speaker 1: maybe at some point when the kids are old enough,

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Speaker 1: I shall introduce them to two Up.

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Speaker 2: They should introduce you to their friends added too, up match.

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Speaker 1: Kids. This is how you play to them. We know

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Speaker 1: we've been playing for years and you just didn't know

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Speaker 1: about it that anyway. Look, this is a long and

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Speaker 1: slightly rambling version edition of Ask Fear and Greed, Great Question.

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Speaker 1: Thank you both for answering it.

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Speaker 3: It's a great pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

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