Speaker 1: Apogae Production. Welcome to the sheep Risers Podcast. I'm Ashy
Speaker 1: and I'm Tiana.
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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, Welcome back to a Wednesday episode. Today, we
Speaker 1: have a random episode of random thoughts. Yeah, but we
Speaker 1: thought it would be really interesting and just maybe entertaining
Speaker 1: if you guys listen to. So both got a bunch
Speaker 1: of random thoughts and we're gonna chat about them together,
Speaker 1: so you guys can hear. Yeah, help me to go first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, bring it in.
Speaker 1: As you guys may or may have not known, I
Speaker 1: had my second brain aneurism surgery a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and I just had this random thought and I see
Speaker 1: you looking down at my wrist. I'm like, how the
Speaker 1: fuck do they operate on my brain by going up
Speaker 1: through my wrist? And I know a lot of you
Speaker 1: are thinking this because a lot of you dm me
Speaker 1: asking why I had didn't get any of my hair shaved.
Speaker 1: So when Steve had a brain aneurysm, they had to
Speaker 1: cut his whole skull open, shave the back of it,
Speaker 1: cut it all open, pull his brain out, pull out
Speaker 1: the aneurysm. He'll all put it all back together. He's
Speaker 1: got this massive scar, like the hair never grows back
Speaker 1: where his scar is. It was a wild thing his
Speaker 1: hospital for six months, whereas mine, my anneurism was a
Speaker 1: lot smaller than his. In a different type of anneurysm.
Speaker 1: They literally go up through my arterie, through my wrist
Speaker 1: and insert a stent into my aneurism, which is mind blowing.
Speaker 1: Like thinking about it, I'm like, what the actual fuck.
Speaker 1: And they can do that for heart surgeries as well.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: They can go through your wrist and through your growing
Speaker 1: up to your heart and put stents in there. It's
Speaker 1: mind blowing, right, that's impressive. It's really impressive even the
Speaker 1: thought of that.
Speaker 2: I know how you barely have a scar.
Speaker 1: I know there's two tiny little scars from both surgeries,
Speaker 1: and like you have to look up close to see them.
Speaker 1: Looks like a little pencil mark, you know, when someone
Speaker 1: like holds a Pence reckle twist. Yeah, so that's my
Speaker 1: first random thought. What's yours? I was having this.
Speaker 2: Thought last night.
Speaker 3: So I just got back from the Billie Eilish concert
Speaker 3: in Brisbane and I left the concert. We were waiting
Speaker 3: for our driver to come get us, and I was
Speaker 3: sitting there thinking how crazy is it that her life?
Speaker 3: That imagine having the whole world be your biggest fan,
Speaker 3: And I just was thinking in my head like she
Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to live a normal life. Even in
Speaker 3: the airport there was photos of her being photographed. You
Speaker 3: could not even see her skin, babe, and she was
Speaker 3: so easily identifiable, obviously by the way that she dresses,
Speaker 3: but people knew.
Speaker 2: That it was her.
Speaker 3: She had like a mask on Sonny's a hat or hoodie. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like photo she was fully covered and people could identify her.
Speaker 2: This is so random.
Speaker 3: For this is literally what I've been thinking about the
Speaker 3: last twenty four hours. Random thought is that I remember
Speaker 3: looking at her on stage and looking at her on
Speaker 3: the big screen and thinking like, wow, she looks sad today.
Speaker 3: And then I ended up talking to my brother about
Speaker 3: it in the morning and he go, oh, yeah, she's
Speaker 3: been really sick. So she's performing while she's been really sick,
Speaker 3: So makes sense why I thought that. And also this
Speaker 3: Australian tool is her first tool without her family. She's
Speaker 3: not performing with her brother, which she normally does, and
Speaker 3: it's like the best thing in the world to her,
Speaker 3: Like she just wouldn't live a normal life. No, Like,
Speaker 3: how does she go anywhere? How does she do anything?
Speaker 3: Does she leave the house?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Imagine having the whole world obsessed with.
Speaker 3: You, that you literally have raving fans that are screaming
Speaker 3: everywhere that you go.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. I thought about that when Taylor came
Speaker 1: to Taylor Swift. I was like, whoa, I just can't
Speaker 1: imagine your life like that.
Speaker 2: It's insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, every move, everything you do is been watched, you
Speaker 1: being followed. Everyone's so interested, so much gets made up
Speaker 1: about you, assumed about you. You get criticized for everything.
Speaker 3: Oh but even like sitting in the crowd, I was
Speaker 3: thinking to myself, like people literally screaming like behind, in
Speaker 3: and in front from everywhere.
Speaker 2: I love you, Billy. I just can't.
Speaker 3: Fathom that people can't hold it together when it's another
Speaker 3: human thing.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: No, I can't relate to it. There's never been in
Speaker 1: the celebrity that I would ever camp out for, yeah,
Speaker 1: or line up for ten hours or there's not even
Speaker 1: that many live concerts I've gone to. Like, I love
Speaker 1: a lot of artists, but to be that obsessed with them,
Speaker 1: I can't relate.
Speaker 2: It's wild.
Speaker 3: And you know, you see videos of people on social
Speaker 3: media and they're like crying and their videos and hysterically
Speaker 3: crying oh.
Speaker 2: God, like and I'm just like, that's another human being.
Speaker 3: Like, imagine putting aside the love and the admiration that
Speaker 3: you have for that person, Imagine how that would be
Speaker 3: on the receiving end for that person.
Speaker 2: Like, I just can't fathom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't fathom that either. Wow. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm pondering on at the moment because I got sent
Speaker 1: this screenshot from a gossip page the other day, and
Speaker 1: people just send me a screenshot. It's not like, hey, babe,
Speaker 1: really supporting you, like what you let know about this.
Speaker 1: They just send me a screenshot of what people are
Speaker 1: saying about me. And people the other day were saying
Speaker 1: that for someone who's so well put together, which thank you,
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm always put.
Speaker 2: Together you think I'm well put together.
Speaker 1: Her kids look homeless. You think she'd take her son
Speaker 1: to get a haircut because he just got a cut,
Speaker 1: actually because of them. Yeah, he decided to Actually, the
Speaker 1: hairdresser fucking decided to go shorter, but he had long hand.
Speaker 1: He really loved it. He wanted his curls back from
Speaker 1: when he was younger, and you can see Tyler's got curls.
Speaker 1: Says he want his curls back. I said, you probably
Speaker 1: need to grow your hair because when it cuts, it
Speaker 1: cuts the curls off at the ends. When it gets longer,
Speaker 1: he gets curly ends. So he wanted to grow it long.
Speaker 1: And he got his curls back, and he was loving it.
Speaker 1: It was starting to kind of get in his eyes
Speaker 1: a bit, and we went to get a trim, which
Speaker 1: he wanted, and the hairdresser ended up getting Sis are
Speaker 1: happy and it's way shorter now. But I was just pondering.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I went really deep in it. One. Why
Speaker 1: are you sending me this? It doesn't serve me. What
Speaker 1: I don't know doesn't hurt me. Let me live over
Speaker 1: here in fairyland. I don't give a fuck what's saying
Speaker 1: behind my back? Truly, Yes, it doesn't impact me in
Speaker 1: a positive way if you send it.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Three, Why are you in a gossip page? What does
Speaker 1: that do for your life? What makes you want to
Speaker 1: join in there? What makes you want to stay in there?
Speaker 1: What makes you want to engage? I want you to
Speaker 1: think about what emotional needs this is meeting for you?
Speaker 1: Is it significance? Is it community? Is it connection? Is
Speaker 1: it variety? And understand all of that, but is there
Speaker 1: a healthier, more productive way to get those needs met?
Speaker 1: Is this helping you achieve your goals? Definitely not? Is
Speaker 1: this helping you be the woman you know you can be?
Speaker 1: Definitely not? Is this helping you be a better mother?
Speaker 1: One hundred percent not? Ye. Is your partner attracted to
Speaker 1: you being in gossip pages looking at if I'm bitching
Speaker 1: about other girls? Definitely not. Would you want your daughter
Speaker 1: to be in there bitching about other girls? Nope? What
Speaker 1: would you think about your sister being in there having
Speaker 1: a bitch about other girls? You wouldn't like that?
Speaker 2: Not at all?
Speaker 1: So why are you in there? I've just been pondering
Speaker 1: on it. I'm like, seem really curious on why these
Speaker 1: women are in there? And I had another girl reach
Speaker 1: out and she was really lovely. It was actually about
Speaker 1: being in hospital, and someone sent a screenshot saying that
Speaker 1: all the nurses were laughing at me in hospital and
Speaker 1: they're going to find out the tea about me. They
Speaker 1: know someone that works in there. And I was just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, is this legal. I spoke to Meg
Speaker 1: about it and she's like, no, they would lose their job.
Speaker 1: It's like full confidentiality, then allow us speak about you.
Speaker 1: And they obviously are the trolls are just making things up.
Speaker 1: I'm not too sure, but I was just like, wow,
Speaker 1: this happens. I would never It just got me really
Speaker 1: curious as to why women do that, what they get
Speaker 1: out of it. Yeah, Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 3: It's definitely a really interesting one, isn't it, Especially like
Speaker 3: the passing on the information. It's like you could see,
Speaker 3: like if you assume the best, you could see how
Speaker 3: somebody might want to do that from a place of
Speaker 3: like warning you. Yes, But also it's really a discernment thing,
Speaker 3: like access discernment in those moments of like, Okay, she's
Speaker 3: showing this person going to help their mental health?
Speaker 2: Is it going to benefit them anyway?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 2: Like what you said is it going to be a
Speaker 2: positive thing for them.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not.
Speaker 3: Sometimes ignorance is bliss when it comes to things. Sure,
Speaker 3: especially with the Internet, like people do and say very
Speaker 3: unhinged things and very.
Speaker 2: Unhinged place you know, So it's.
Speaker 3: Like it's going to happen. It's like, do you need
Speaker 3: to be receiving it?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Do people also need to be passing on that information? No,
Speaker 3: because they're also engaging it in their.
Speaker 2: Own life too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, actgetically they're.
Speaker 2: Being a parti it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're actually choosing to contribute to the drama that's
Speaker 3: happening by involving themselves in.
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with them. The hairstyle and
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know why you're sending me this.
Speaker 1: And then the girl that sent the hospital stuff, she
Speaker 1: was genuinely concerned. She wants to take it further. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's like, if you're not going to take this further,
Speaker 1: I am Because she had a mum in hospital at
Speaker 1: that point in time. She was like, I'd fucking be
Speaker 1: so upset if the nurses were one laughing about you
Speaker 1: when you're in a hontable position, but two like then
Speaker 1: allowed to share your information. So she's like, if you're
Speaker 1: not going to take this further if you don't mind,
Speaker 1: I will. I was like, well, that's really lovely. She
Speaker 1: was coming from a good place, but I just wanted
Speaker 1: to share that in case you are in a gossip
Speaker 1: forum and maybe you're you're like, oh shit, why am
Speaker 1: I in there? Like, I get it's interesting, Yeah, it's gossipy.
Speaker 1: It's like watching a TV show or I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe you're a bit lonely or bored or I don't know.
Speaker 1: You're interested in someone's life, so you're trying to find
Speaker 1: out different pieces. I'm trying to understand it, but I
Speaker 1: still just can't relate. It's not something I would ever
Speaker 1: want to be a part of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's these kind of behaviors that we get
Speaker 3: to look at, especially if like anybody who is in
Speaker 3: a gossip page. But it's also on the other hand,
Speaker 3: going oh, I want to find my people, and I
Speaker 3: want to put myself in better environments, and I want
Speaker 3: to be surrounded by better people who are focusing on
Speaker 3: growth and not talking about people. It's we get to
Speaker 3: look at ourselves of being like, Okay, why am I
Speaker 3: in this gossip page? If what I'm trying to say,
Speaker 3: and trying to create for myself is the complete opposite,
Speaker 3: because you'd very rarely, almost ever find the people that
Speaker 3: you're actually.
Speaker 2: Looking for in places like that.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, no, not in that low vibration.
Speaker 2: No, not at all.
Speaker 1: Nah. If you've being really honest with yourself, you do
Speaker 1: not want to be living in that low vibration. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not the kind of people you'd want surrounded by.
Speaker 3: It's just another way to take responsibility for what we're
Speaker 3: doing and what we're choosing and why we're maybe where
Speaker 3: we are in life.
Speaker 2: It's just really cool to look at. It's curiosity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I wanted to bring it up to
Speaker 1: hopefully just maybe make some people take a breath and go,
Speaker 1: oh shit, Yeah, okay, why am I in there? Why
Speaker 1: would I send that to that person? Do I want
Speaker 1: to be a part of that? Yeah, that's not helped
Speaker 1: me in any way. No, thank you. Join a page
Speaker 1: it's about uplifting women, or about growth, or about something
Speaker 1: you're passionate about. Good time, so precious and so much
Speaker 1: your energy. Yeah, the full energy exchange being in that
Speaker 1: and it will drain and suck the life out of you. Yeah.
Speaker 3: My other random thought is just because we've sparked this conversation.
Speaker 3: Now it's brought up a conversation we're having the other
Speaker 3: day that I just genuinely can't fathom sometimes why some
Speaker 3: people who have fake profiles of user underscore one, two, three,
Speaker 3: four five you.
Speaker 1: Were blocking the other day, It's like, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm just blocking these fake profiles.
Speaker 2: Oh I always do.
Speaker 3: If I ever see a fake profile with no post,
Speaker 3: no image, I would just block them immediately because I'm like,
Speaker 3: you're obviously here for no good, and immediately I just
Speaker 3: don't want a part of that.
Speaker 2: It's just not worth it.
Speaker 3: I love that boundary you have if you want to
Speaker 3: follow me on a normal profile, follow me on.
Speaker 2: A normal profile, normal, I know, do you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: Like, Or if they have a profile and it's like
Speaker 1: this one the other day, it's like peace and puppies.
Speaker 1: It's like, you're not peaceful.
Speaker 3: You're literally trying to fight with me at six am
Speaker 3: on a Saturday morning.
Speaker 1: Literally you're not peaceful. So blocked.
Speaker 3: I just genuinely can't understand how some would want to
Speaker 3: spend their energy trying to misunderstand you and trying to
Speaker 3: fight with you back and forth on a post when
Speaker 3: you know, I just don't understand.
Speaker 1: I don't think we ever will understand because it's not
Speaker 1: what would ever do.
Speaker 3: Like there's been some trolls and even like I feel
Speaker 3: like we've responded like quite well back and been respectful
Speaker 3: and kind and thoughtful and just like reflected back some things,
Speaker 3: and then they just want to fight. And you can
Speaker 3: see after like one to two to three responses that
Speaker 3: they're there to argue with you and they're looking for
Speaker 3: a fight, and to be honest, like it's just.
Speaker 2: Not something I'm willing to entertain. Yeah, I'm just not.
Speaker 1: Tiana manages our social media accounts and it's been cool,
Speaker 1: especially the last couple of weeks when there has been
Speaker 1: more hate just observing your responses. And then I've said
Speaker 1: to you a couple of times when they reply back,
Speaker 1: like are you going to respond again, You're like, I'll
Speaker 1: do one more time than after that they've made up
Speaker 1: their mind. I'm not going to keep fighting with someone
Speaker 1: that is so committed to misunderstanding us. They're not here
Speaker 1: to have a conversation. And I feel like you can
Speaker 1: pick them quite well, but you'll always give everyone the
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. So you'll always reply once yeah
Speaker 1: and explain the situation or help them see your different side,
Speaker 1: and sometimes they come back in their suite, other times
Speaker 1: not Yeah, I just trust you to make the right decision.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cool here.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that because it's just like you know, I'm
Speaker 3: not here to say that no one gets to have
Speaker 3: an opinion. I think everyone gets to have an opinion.
Speaker 3: And I'm not mad at people for disagreeing with what
Speaker 3: we post or something that we've shared, Like, I don't
Speaker 3: blame them. I don't expect everyone to love what we post. However,
Speaker 3: I do expect people who are going to come onto
Speaker 3: our social media is to come with respect. Yes, and
Speaker 3: if they don't have that, like I just don't have
Speaker 3: time for it. But also even when they don't, I
Speaker 3: can still have respect and still resk. We can still
Speaker 3: have respect and respond in a respectful way because we
Speaker 3: don't need to stoop to that level, like I'm never
Speaker 3: going to be match someone in that frequency and that
Speaker 3: energy of what they're coming at us for when we're
Speaker 3: just doing our best to share like our magic with
Speaker 3: the well it's.
Speaker 1: Been for me to learn from you too. I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm getting a lot better at my responses where
Speaker 1: sometimes I get a bit defensive and I think it's
Speaker 1: just been fifteen years online. I'm like why, Like I
Speaker 1: get a bit worn down sometimes, but it's been awesome
Speaker 1: to learn from you how to communicate away and allow
Speaker 1: people to have their opinions, for you to still stand
Speaker 1: up for yourself as well. But just yeah, I open
Speaker 1: up different conversations. It's really cool. I'm enjoying them coming
Speaker 1: in for us to be able to respond in a
Speaker 1: way we're proud of. Yeah, and hopefully see if we
Speaker 1: can shift their perspective on us all the topic or
Speaker 1: whatever it is that's upset them. And then if they're not,
Speaker 1: it's like okay to say, you don't have to be here.
Speaker 3: So just to give you guys some context, like there
Speaker 3: was one that we got in the DMS not that
Speaker 3: long ago, and obviously if you guys have been listening,
Speaker 3: and you guys know that, unfortunately Ramber has passed away
Speaker 3: and all of that situation had happened, and essentially what
Speaker 3: happened from then, I took over the social media and
Speaker 3: I just let everybody know that as well, and I
Speaker 3: posted continuously about our Valentine's Day event because it was
Speaker 3: the week prior, and you know, we have work commitments,
Speaker 3: we've got contracts in place for what we're doing with
Speaker 3: the podcast.
Speaker 1: Wing in for the event. Yeah, we can to the event.
Speaker 2: We couldn't cancel the event.
Speaker 3: And we got a DM and someone had said directly
Speaker 3: to me that I was money hungry because I wasn't
Speaker 3: making the social media go dark for a week. I
Speaker 3: wasn't respectful, It was disrespectful for me to continue posting
Speaker 3: what I was posting, and that it looked like I
Speaker 3: was money hungry, and that I didn't care about what
Speaker 3: was happening. And I just responded to this woman and
Speaker 3: just like sent a long message and just gave her
Speaker 3: some context and just said like, hey, I really don't
Speaker 3: appreciate your message. Is really disrespectful, like it's really hurtful
Speaker 3: when everyone is grieving, and then gave her some context
Speaker 3: about what's actually happening behind closed doors, and she actually
Speaker 3: came good, and she was like, I'm so sorry, like
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have seen it so black and white, but
Speaker 3: I judged something just in the split moment, and she
Speaker 3: took responsibility for it. So beautiful, and then she was like,
Speaker 3: I actually love.
Speaker 2: What you guys are posting. I appreciate what you guys do.
Speaker 3: And you know, so it's just allowing people to have
Speaker 3: their thoughts, their opinions and whatever it is that they
Speaker 3: want to say, and then we can respond how have
Speaker 3: we won? And then you know, if they come around,
Speaker 3: they come around. If not, that's also okay too, but
Speaker 3: just not here.
Speaker 1: It is good to give context Sometimes sometimes I feel
Speaker 1: in two minds too, wan of thoughts, like we didn't
Speaker 1: owe anyone an explanation, not at all. But then sometimes
Speaker 1: it is good to give context. I remember that reply.
Speaker 1: There's been so much come through, but I shouldn't be online.
Speaker 1: We shouldn't be doing this and doing that throughout this
Speaker 1: whole thing. But it's like, you guys are seeing literally
Speaker 1: a tiny snippet of what we're posting about work. You
Speaker 1: don't know about the twenty three other hours of the day,
Speaker 1: what we're doing to support someone who's grieving, or support
Speaker 1: their family, or support our friends, or support ourselves. Actually
Speaker 1: have no idea, And I think that's a really important
Speaker 1: thing to remember. Whoever you're following online, you're seeing two
Speaker 1: percent of their day literally, and if they're sharing more great,
Speaker 1: you can have more compassion for what they're trying to hold.
Speaker 1: But it's just so easy to quickly jump to an
Speaker 1: assumption that they're doing things wrong where they shouldn't be
Speaker 1: doing something or showing up a certain way, but you
Speaker 1: don't actually have context or understand what they actually have
Speaker 1: to do. And me being online or us being online, Yes,
Speaker 1: it's fun, but we are also in a contract. Yes,
Speaker 1: I caught my podcasts which ducers and said I'm having
Speaker 1: a week off, but didn't mean you could just take
Speaker 1: a week off as well. You know, we have things
Speaker 1: in place that we have to do in responsibilities and
Speaker 1: bills to pay, things that need to be done.
Speaker 3: And just because it looks a little different doesn't mean
Speaker 3: that it's not work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you go to an nine to five, it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean our work is any less important.
Speaker 3: We had this conversation the other day talking about how
Speaker 3: just because people see the fun conversations that we have,
Speaker 3: people don't recognize the amount of work that goes in
Speaker 3: behind the behinds of what we're doing, especially with everything
Speaker 3: that we're doing with the events, while we're doing the
Speaker 3: social media's podcasting, all of that stuff, Like it's a
Speaker 3: commitment it's still work at the end of the day.
Speaker 3: It's commitments. We have responsibilities in the roles that we
Speaker 3: both play, and it's really easy to look at what
Speaker 3: we do and go, oh, wow, they're having so much fun.
Speaker 3: That means that they don't have anything that's hard or
Speaker 3: responsibility wise or commitments. It's just like, well, they're just
Speaker 3: having a conversation and they go from the day.
Speaker 2: It's so not like that.
Speaker 1: And you know, or without the job that I have
Speaker 1: and being online back to like the Megazi thing, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been able to raise fifty thousand dollars. My
Speaker 1: community got behind them. Yeah. I also wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: able to be at Megsie's house as much as what
Speaker 1: I was if I didn't have the job that I have.
Speaker 1: Because I've shown up online and I've created this lifestyle,
Speaker 1: I've been able to support megs in a way that
Speaker 1: I have. And a lot of her friends work nine
Speaker 1: to five and they couldn't go and be at a
Speaker 1: house all the time.
Speaker 2: You were there every day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But like, why should I be criticized for doing
Speaker 1: that just because my job looks a little bit different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: No matter what you do, there's going to be someone
Speaker 1: that doesn't agree with it and someone that criticizes it
Speaker 1: and thinks it's the wrong way. But no one can
Speaker 1: tell you what's wrong or right, especially in grief. Everyone
Speaker 1: grieves differently. Yeah, it's so interesting and hectic to go
Speaker 1: through because even myself, I'm like one minute I'm okay
Speaker 1: and the next minute I'm just not. And it's such
Speaker 1: an emotional rollercoaster. Yeah, it's really hard to navigate and
Speaker 1: just allow it all to be there. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think an important thing to note as well is
Speaker 3: like when you're seeing people on social media and you've
Speaker 3: just seen someone go through something heavy, and then they're
Speaker 3: posting something happy or they're posting something and you think
Speaker 3: that they shouldn't be doing that. Can we just agree
Speaker 3: and make a pact right now that we're going to
Speaker 3: start assuming the best of people that like, no matter
Speaker 3: what we see online, that there maybe even for you,
Speaker 3: for example, people having something to say about you being
Speaker 3: happy whilst grieving and doing all these things for business,
Speaker 3: Like maybe you're just doing the best that you can.
Speaker 3: Maybe you're trying to keep yourself afloat so that you
Speaker 3: can hold everybody and continue to do so.
Speaker 2: Like what you've been doing.
Speaker 3: This whole time, Like, can we just agree to disagree
Speaker 3: that we're going to start to assume the best and
Speaker 3: not the worst of people, especially the people that we
Speaker 3: say that we look up to and that we speak
Speaker 3: highly of and all these things. But then you know,
Speaker 3: they do something, one wrong thing, and all of a
Speaker 3: sudden it's you know it's wrong. No it's not, but
Speaker 3: in people's eyes, yes, she's doing a wrong thing.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't be happy. How could you be happy? How
Speaker 1: could you post a dancing video? You know what? That
Speaker 1: like two minutes of dancing might have been the highlight
Speaker 1: of my day that day. Maybe I was grieving, like
Speaker 1: this is truth, grieving and crying and having a really
Speaker 1: fucking tough time, and then I got to just be
Speaker 1: silly and playful and be in that joy for a moment.
Speaker 1: And this is something Megsi's taught me as well. It's
Speaker 1: just to allow it all to be there. Because you're grieving.
Speaker 1: Does that mean you can't ever be happy again? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Does that mean you can't laugh with your kids again?
Speaker 1: Does that mean you can't show up online and share
Speaker 1: your story? There's no rules as to how grief is
Speaker 1: and we need to allow Megsi and anyone listening grieving
Speaker 1: to have their process exactly how it feels good for
Speaker 1: them and for me. I jump amongst it all and
Speaker 1: I allow all that to be there. I allow myself
Speaker 1: to be happy and have fun during my work of
Speaker 1: being with my kids and being silly or play with
Speaker 1: my husband, that I allow myself to go to Megsi's
Speaker 1: house and fucking cry for three hours and be there
Speaker 1: with her and hold her and that and talk about
Speaker 1: whatever she needs to talk about in that moment. It's
Speaker 1: allowing all of it to be there and not demonizing
Speaker 1: any of it. Yeah, it's turned into a rant. I
Speaker 1: love it. Oh, I love that. What's your next one?
Speaker 3: I just wanted to say, the difference in the opportunities
Speaker 3: from when I was younger to the next generations of
Speaker 3: online work is bizarre. Like when you think about this
Speaker 3: all the time, I can't tell you the amount of
Speaker 3: hard work and dirt that I had in my nose,
Speaker 3: literally in my head, on my body from working in
Speaker 3: construction for five bucking years to all of the younger
Speaker 3: generations being able to clock in and clock out to
Speaker 3: be social media marketers or managers, or to have online
Speaker 3: roles and it's just unlike, I love it for them,
Speaker 3: I really do. But we talk about the contrast of
Speaker 3: the type of work that we had to do back
Speaker 3: then to what people had the opportunity now, how crazy.
Speaker 3: It's polarizing.
Speaker 1: And then you think about the generation above us they
Speaker 1: had to work trivial times harder, and above them it
Speaker 1: almost gets like easier and more fun as the generations
Speaker 1: go along.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like, it's not to say anything's bad, because no, I
Speaker 1: love the opportunities for gen Z. Even my job now
Speaker 1: gets to be like that. Yes, but I think back
Speaker 1: to what my mum had to do and how hard
Speaker 1: she had to work for a dollar compared to what yeah,
Speaker 1: gen Z's do now, I'm like, whoa, it is just
Speaker 1: random thoughts. It's just random thoughts.
Speaker 3: It's just so cool because I honestly, I just think
Speaker 3: about like, shoveling dirt for like twelve hours.
Speaker 1: I don't know how the fuck you did that day.
Speaker 1: That is not from me. Oh my god, you'd have
Speaker 1: been the sexiest girl on the side, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: So funny. I was thinking the other day about how
Speaker 1: when life feels really really comfortable and good and content
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden something comes in. It's
Speaker 1: like I literally I feel every time I voice that
Speaker 1: to Steve when I'm like, oh my gosh, life right now,
Speaker 1: can it freeze? It feels so good. I'm so content,
Speaker 1: I swear. The next day or the next week something
Speaker 1: comes in to just throw me off, and not in
Speaker 1: a pour me victim way. It's like I need to
Speaker 1: learn whatever that lesson is to help me level up,
Speaker 1: because I never want to be comfor. I always invite
Speaker 1: and ask growth in. I love it, Yeah, always like
Speaker 1: bring it, bring it, like I'm ready. But you know,
Speaker 1: I always have random thoughts about that always happens. And
Speaker 1: then because I have that thought process, I'm like, am
Speaker 1: I manifesting it? I'm putting it out there. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: in the moment, I'm like, no, I just said life
Speaker 1: is really content. I'm happy in don't.
Speaker 2: It's so funny.
Speaker 3: It does happen like that sometimes though, because he's like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is really good.
Speaker 2: And then it's like boom, here's another lesson. Yeah, oh
Speaker 2: you're feeling good. Oh boom, I think.
Speaker 1: That traun was gone. It's back.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: True, you thought you've done the word.
Speaker 3: Here's another situation to help you heal that wound you.
Speaker 1: Love so much. I just always think beyond that. I
Speaker 1: love going in deep thoughts, but beyond that too, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I want a big life. Yeah, I have to do
Speaker 1: big things and I have to get really uncomfortable and
Speaker 1: I have to push myself. And if I want a
Speaker 1: mediocre life, then all that wouldn't be happening for me.
Speaker 3: This is happening for me, not to me, And this
Speaker 3: is forever work right. Literally, we can do hard things. Literally,
Speaker 3: we all can do hard things.
Speaker 1: Love it.
Speaker 3: This is really random, but it has to do with
Speaker 3: going to the Billie EARI concept. I remember thinking when
Speaker 3: the tickets went on sale, Oh do I really want
Speaker 3: to go see her that bad? I'm not really much
Speaker 3: of like a die hard fan for like really anyone,
Speaker 3: So I was like, oh, I'm not really it's going
Speaker 3: to be worth it kind of thing, and I was like,
Speaker 3: four hundred dollars, can I justify that?
Speaker 2: Whatever?
Speaker 3: When I realized that it was sold out, I realized that,
Speaker 3: like it was something that I really wanted to experience,
Speaker 3: and I.
Speaker 1: Knew regret not going to Taylor too.
Speaker 3: I regret not going to Taylor, and I just remember
Speaker 3: thinking in that moment where else does this show up
Speaker 3: in my life? Like, where else do I try to
Speaker 3: convince myself that I don't need something because of whatever reason,
Speaker 3: whatever way I justify it. Instead of just going I
Speaker 3: really want to experience this thing, how about I just
Speaker 3: do the experience, live the experience, have the moment, go
Speaker 3: to the place, do the holiday. You know how many
Speaker 3: times do we potentially limit ourselves from not experiencing things
Speaker 3: because we justify.
Speaker 1: That we don't need it, that we don't need to
Speaker 1: deny ourselves of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: Just really a cool moment because I was like, me,
Speaker 3: wanting to go to Billy is not for anybody else.
Speaker 3: This is one of those things that was like a
Speaker 3: Tiana wants.
Speaker 2: To experience this.
Speaker 3: And I was like, you know what, how about the
Speaker 3: next time that you want to do something, you just
Speaker 3: buy the tickets fucking from the first.
Speaker 2: Go just do it.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: That's really cool because you grow and learn and it
Speaker 3: was a really beautiful experience.
Speaker 1: Like it's all about memories. What are you working so
Speaker 1: hard for if you're not going to spend the money
Speaker 1: on the thing or the adventure or the memory. Yeah,
Speaker 1: keep saving when you're eating. You've got money in the bank. Cool,
Speaker 1: what do you do with that?
Speaker 3: The backstory on this and why I'm thinking this is
Speaker 3: because a couple of years ago, I was really bad
Speaker 3: with money, so like I had just a not very
Speaker 3: healthy relationship with money and not a lot of experience
Speaker 3: with money. So when I would get it, I would
Speaker 3: spend it on silly stuff. And then I had a
Speaker 3: boundary with myself and I was like, we're not going
Speaker 3: to buy anything outside of essentials. And I realized that
Speaker 3: I still have that mindset now of I'm not going
Speaker 3: to buy anything outside of essentials. And I was like, fuck,
Speaker 3: how many times have I limited myself from experiencing things
Speaker 3: simply because I'm like, no.
Speaker 2: No, no, don't spend, don't spend, don't spend.
Speaker 1: You know you had that realization, I think maybe a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago when you're like, oh, you've got
Speaker 1: so many nice dresses and like, I love shopping. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's hobby. I really enjoyed. You're like, fuck, I really
Speaker 1: deny myself of buying new clothes. Yeah, I've still got
Speaker 1: this mentality that I'm not allowed to spend. Yeah, it's like, good,
Speaker 1: buy that dress, Go treat yourself.
Speaker 3: Oh and you know what, it was really productive at
Speaker 3: the time, Like it was, Yeah, it was what I
Speaker 3: needed at the time, But I realized now that my
Speaker 3: life has changed and as my life has evolved, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily need to keep doing those things, Like
Speaker 3: I'm allowed to have moments where I give myself those things.
Speaker 2: And it's just a really.
Speaker 3: Beautiful lesson as well to just for anyone listening that
Speaker 3: you get to invest in yourself. Yes, no matter what
Speaker 3: that may be, whether it's an experience, whether it it's
Speaker 3: the beautiful dress, whether it's a new lip liner, where
Speaker 3: it's something that's ten dollars a fucking coffee every morning,
Speaker 3: like whatever it is that is your thing, just know
Speaker 3: that you're allowed.
Speaker 1: To have that and you don't have to carry any
Speaker 1: shame for it.
Speaker 3: And investing in yourself in this way is only going
Speaker 3: to bring you a better quality of life anyway, and
Speaker 3: that's what we're all after, is a better quality of life.
Speaker 2: I love that, that's mine. That's what I've got for today.
Speaker 1: So beautiful that anyways, they were just some random thoughts
Speaker 1: we thought would pop in. Let us stuff you guys
Speaker 1: like this style of episode because we have lots of
Speaker 1: conversations about random shit like this all the time, and
Speaker 1: it's cool to bring it in because when you talk
Speaker 1: about something, I normally learned something as well, or I
Speaker 1: it makes me inquire about myself too, so I think
Speaker 1: it's really empowering and vice versa. I love it. Thanks guys,
Speaker 1: we'll see you in the next episode.
Speaker 2: Bye bye,