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Speaker 1: Approche production.

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Speaker 2: In this podcast, you've heard a lot of the allegations

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Speaker 2: that Eden might have been groomed by a person in

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Speaker 2: a position of power.

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Speaker 1: Across the last.

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Speaker 2: Thirty odd episodes, you've heard allegations about teachers, police officers,

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Speaker 2: and also Eden on her own social media. One of

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Speaker 2: the names that's kept coming up was the name of

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Speaker 2: Paul Reynolds. He's the police officer that took his own

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Speaker 2: life after the police searched his home and found evidence

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Speaker 2: of child sex crimes. At the time of his death

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Speaker 2: on the thirteenth of September twenty eighteen, he was a

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Speaker 2: senior sergeant in the Tasmanian Police. He was given a

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Speaker 2: full police funeral while the investigation for his sexual misconduct

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Speaker 2: started looking into other officers suicide in Tasmania that reynolds

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Speaker 2: file was reopen. On September one, twenty twenty three, the

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Speaker 2: coroner handed down his findings, which included the most likely

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Speaker 2: fact was that Reynolds committed suicide because he was being

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Speaker 2: investigated by police. In twenty twenty three, Donna Adams, the

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Speaker 2: Police Commissioner of Tasmania, asked for an independent inquiry into

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Speaker 2: reynolds crimes. It was really important to herb.

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Speaker 3: I think it's probably had more of an emotional impact

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Speaker 3: because of the report I made in two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 4: I feel very disappointed. Yeah, it's my job to make

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Speaker 4: this right.

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Speaker 2: Commissioner Adams appointed a barrister, Regina Weiss, to conduct an

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Speaker 2: independent investigation. It was handed down and made publicly available

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Speaker 3: This is the most prolific grooming I have seen perpetrated

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Speaker 2: There's a few reasons why and how this relates to

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Speaker 2: Eden Westbrook's death. Firstly, the fact that Paul Reynolds was

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Speaker 2: attached to the Northern Coroner's Office. He was there from

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Speaker 2: the thirteenth of April twenty fifteen to the twenty seventh

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Speaker 2: coroner in the inquest notes about Eden.

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Speaker 5: Senior Sergeant Paul Reynolds of the Long Diston Coroner's Office

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Speaker 5: also provided regular oversight and direction during the investigation period.

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Speaker 5: At my request, I am satisfied that have received all

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Speaker 5: available evidence that could reasonably assist me to determine the

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Speaker 5: matters set out in section twenty eight one of the

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Speaker 5: coroners out in nineteen nine.

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Speaker 2: What Jason and Amanda and everyone involved in this case

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Speaker 2: were hoping for is that this report into Reynolds might

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Speaker 2: shed some light on what happened to Eden, in particular

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Speaker 2: the evidence that was gathered by police, and the fact

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Speaker 2: that Reynolds had oversight into Eden's case, and of course

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Speaker 2: the allegations that Eden was being groomed by a person

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Speaker 2: in a position of power. The report from Regina Weiss

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Speaker 2: was over sixty five pages long. It was very thorough

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Speaker 2: and had five recommendations, which included a framework to help

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Speaker 2: anyone that was groomed or sexually abused by Reynolds, another

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Speaker 2: framework for anyone that had been groomed or sexually abused

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Speaker 2: from any officer. It also asked for a dedicated victim

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Speaker 2: management team inside the police and also asked to change

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Speaker 2: the legislation of the Integrity Commission, which has asked for

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Speaker 2: independent investigations into any police officer who are alleged to

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Speaker 3: He was a master at it he groomed victims, he

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Speaker 3: groomed their parents, he groomed the communities, the sporting clubs,

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Speaker 2: Not once in that sixty five pages was Eden Westbrook's

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Speaker 2: name mentioned or anything about Saint Helen's. Eighty seven people

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Speaker 2: Weiss investigation. Police were not present in any of the

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Speaker 2: interviews and they were done completely independent from the police.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent of the victim survivors were male, and

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Speaker 2: it spanned a thirty year period. Twenty four members of

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Speaker 2: The investigation was completely trauma informed, which means the questioning

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Speaker 2: and the interviews ensured the physical, psychological, cultural, and emotional

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Speaker 2: survivors to regain control of their own experience. Inside the investigation,

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Speaker 2: over forty thousand social media messages were seen. They spanned

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Speaker 2: eight years. They looked at over five thousand text messages,

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Speaker 1: You'll remember this.

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Speaker 2: All started in two thousand and eight when a social

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Speaker 2: a conversation in which Reynolds was described as a pedophile.

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Speaker 2: He's an excerpt from the report. We've used AI to

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Speaker 4: There were two specific examples of alleged inappropriate conduct discussed

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Speaker 4: The other involved the wife of one of the police

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Speaker 4: police officers were alarmed, despite the social nature of the conversation,

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Speaker 4: and rightly reported what they had overheard to a Tasmania

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Speaker 4: He further noted in his written statement that the allegations

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Speaker 4: The recommendation of the Deputy Commissioner at the time was

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Speaker 4: that Reynolds should not be told of the complaint to

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Speaker 2: Nothing happened about that report, and everything about Reynolds being

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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, a Tasmanian police officer lodged a detailed complaint

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Speaker 1: I to read the report.

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Speaker 6: The information infers the senior sergeant is procuring young persons

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Speaker 6: for sexual purposes or grooming young persons. That he is

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Speaker 6: he would be receiving child exploitation material in return from them.

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Speaker 6: Senior Sergeant Reynolds is heavily involved and linked in administration

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Speaker 6: of Tasmanian football. Senior Sergeant Reynolds is widely reputed in

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Speaker 6: known reputedly that you do not go to Paul's house alone.

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Speaker 6: There have been a number of parents who have warned

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Speaker 6: Senior Sergeant Reynolds of having anything to do with their

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Speaker 6: He is reputed to groom young boys, presumably for sex,

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Speaker 2: Within days of this report, interviews were conducted by professional standards.

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Speaker 2: They spoke to officers and the teenage boys identified in

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Speaker 2: Reynolds massaging a naked boy at the football club clubrooms.

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Speaker 2: Those interviews, a material found on the teenage boy's phone

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Speaker 2: several teenage boys. He'd coerced teenage boys to send pictures

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Speaker 2: of themselves naked. After this investigation in twenty eighteen started,

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Speaker 2: Reynolds borrowed a gun from his next door neighbor and

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Speaker 2: took his own life. So what happened to that investigation

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Speaker 2: back in twenty eighteen after Reynolds took his life much

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Speaker 2: like the one in two thousand and eight. Nothing, He's

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Speaker 2: an excerpt from the report read by AI after his suicide.

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Speaker 4: There was no follow up, no confirmation that there was

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Speaker 4: evidence to support the claims, no wellbeing support. The investigation

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Speaker 2: Now, this is all really shocking information that we've brought

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Speaker 2: you previously in the podcast.

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Speaker 1: But how is it connected to Eden?

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Speaker 2: As I said earlier, Eden's name wasn't mentioned in the report,

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Speaker 2: but there are some bits that we found interesting. It

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Speaker 4: Of investigations or prosecutions being uncovered, it became clear as

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Speaker 4: the review progressed that Reynolds had used the perception that

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Speaker 4: as a grooming mechanism. One participant who knew Reynolds through

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Speaker 2: One former police officer who worked with Reynolds said, I know.

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Speaker 7: There is speculation that he influenced prosecution cases. I had

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Speaker 7: no idea how he could because he was never at work.

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Speaker 7: He hated work. Sometimes boys would get pulled over drink driving,

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Speaker 7: or there was an assault in the footy club. It

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Speaker 7: was like, go and chat to Paul about it. Of

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Speaker 7: course he didn't fix it, but he acted like he did.

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Speaker 7: Being so naive, you just believe Paul had an influence,

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Speaker 7: but in reality he never did.

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Speaker 2: I now want to take a left turn and go

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Speaker 2: Reynolds was looking into Eden's case back in twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 2: These are notes that Jason kept in a scrapbook around

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Speaker 2: Amanda he's in charge of Eden's case. Amanda asks Reynolds

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Speaker 2: the report back to Saint Helen's police officers. Paul said,

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Speaker 2: We assumed that he was talking about the coroner's file.

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Speaker 5: Senior Sergeant Paul Reynolds of the Lonston Coroner's Office also

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Speaker 1: At my request, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: I want to take you back to the report from

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Speaker 2: Regina Weiss about Reynolds and look into the allegations that

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Speaker 2: maybe Reynolds was part of a petophile ring.

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Speaker 3: Reynolds used sport to find and groom his victims and

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Speaker 2: You might remember, we've heard from former students who have

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Speaker 2: a teacher on basketball camps. Reynolds was connected to both

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Speaker 2: the AFL and basketball in Northern Tasmania. The report made mention.

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Speaker 4: Of this the extent of Reynolds's grooming and sexual abuse

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Speaker 4: and horrific. However, there was nothing uncovered throughout the course

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Speaker 1: This next bit is shocking.

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Speaker 2: It details how Reynolds was grooming and his pattern. The

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Speaker 2: excerpt Reynolds, he played really well today, mate, That extra

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Speaker 4: I don't care.

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Speaker 8: I love you anyway, even if you did it yourself.

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Speaker 2: Step five is Reynolds would then move to Snapchat with photos.

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Speaker 2: Serving and former police officers expressed that Reynolds made the

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Speaker 2: One bystander, who from a distance saw Reynolds engaging in

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Speaker 2: The report looked into this and found this.

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Speaker 4: Pattern of behavior, wherein Reynolds developed trusted and perceived caring

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Speaker 2: So that report found that Reynolds was acting alone. He

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Speaker 2: This report from Regina Weiss is a great step forward

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Speaker 2: Our hope is that it also might uncover other police

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Speaker 4: In that context, seven referrals have been made to Tasmania Police.

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Speaker 2: What this report has uncovered, which is important, is that Reynolds,

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