WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 10 January 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:05.359 General, Welcome to the Lait Debate. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:08.959 Welcome to the Late Debate. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:12.879 I'm Caroline Marcus, joined tonight by Sky News contributor Joe 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:18.440 Hildebrand and political commentator freyer Leitch. Tonight, we start in Sydney, 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:22.560 where there's been another sickening anti Semitic attack after a 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:26.560 synagogue in the city southwest was vandalized with at least 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:31.600 a dozen swastikas the words free Palestine and a reference 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:32.440 to Hitler. 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:36.560 And the community has had enough. You know, they're furious, 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:38.720 but this is being allowed to happen, that this is 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:40.760 what we are becoming as a society, and we keep 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:43.320 hearing this can't be normalized. 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:44.720 This isn't who we are. 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:47.960 But once something happens over and over again in a 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:50.519 fifteen month sequence, perhaps it is who we are. 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:52.120 Perhaps this is what we have become. 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:54.959 But we need to change the course that the society 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:58.280 is on, because to have one segment of our community 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:02.400 fearful to practice their faith, to congregate in the House 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:05.399 of Worship, it's a bliight on our democracy, on our 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:07.880 humanity and our multiculturalism. 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:11.640 It's starting to feel like groundhole day. Yet again, we're 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:15.800 seeing how anti Semites are exploiting the Palestinian cause to 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:20.720 spread a borrn Jew hatred across the country. And once again, Freya, 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:24.440 this is not any about any kind of legitimate criticism 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:28.480 of Israel. It's about anti Semitism, pure and simple. It 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:30.760 needs to stop. And I think it starts at the 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:31.399 top with our. 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:33.200 Leaders one hundred percent. 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.399 And this claim that it's it's just anti Zionism, all 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.360 these activists in history, it's all the protesters. It's not 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.000 really about Israel, it's not really about the Jews. 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:43.959 It's just anti Zionism. 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:45.759 We only have an issue with Jews when they want 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.560 to go to their homeland. That's our only issue. No, 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:53.000 this proves it. It is anti Semitism. You cannot. I 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.560 do not believe that in the twenty first century you 0:01:55.640 --> 0:02:00.000 can draw the distinction between anti Semitism and anti Zionism, 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.840 because when you say Jews do not deserve a homeland, 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.400 when you say Palestine, free Palestine from the river to 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.240 the sea, you are condemning the ten million Jews that 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:11.800 live in Israel to death, and you are saying any 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.240 other Jew around the world, you do not have the 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:19.480 protection of your homeland anymore. And that is in itself antisemitic, 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:22.399 and so these attacks it does feel like groundhog day. 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:26.000 We have an antisemitism crisis in Australia and we're hearing 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:29.520 all this talk from politicians, yet nothing is changing. And 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:33.119 I fear that these people, these anti Semites, are being 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:37.280 emboldened by a government that refuses to unequivocally back in 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.760 Israel when they are Ana, when they vote against Israel 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.040 in the UN, when they give their time to these 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:47.800 Palestinian narratives. All they are doing is emboldening these anti 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:51.160 Semites who want any reason to hate Jews. 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:55.120 Jo Afrea is one hundred percent right. You couldn't say 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.960 it better than myself, quite frankly. And the factor is 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:02.240 eighty or ninety percent even of Jews are Zonus. So 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:04.440 when people and in this case, I mean there wasn't 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:06.880 even Zionus used as a code word. 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:09.519 It was just blatant anti Semitism. 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.920 But people know that they're attacking Jews when they make 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:15.480 those sorts of remarks. 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:17.200 It's kind of like saying I'm not anti Jesus, I 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:22.040 just hate Christianity. Yeah. I think the problem here. I 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:25.080 think there have always been anti Semmits Semites, and we 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.400 has always been anti Semitis in Australia, and I've covered 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.560 it in the past. Of the view it used to 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:34.200 be restricted to white supremacists and neo Nazis and skinhead groups, 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:37.800 the sort of people who stoked division during the Kernulla riots. 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:41.000 And I've got to know some of them fairly well. 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:44.720 They've got some pretty heavy chat rooms. But these guys 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:50.280 have now found allies. They've found allies in politics. They've 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:54.240 found allies in sort of shop front politics, if you like, 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:56.640 instead of the sort of the dark web where they 0:03:56.760 --> 0:04:00.600 used to, you know, organize their little hate field barbecues 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:02.520 where you bring a plate and talk about the Aryan 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:07.040 race conquering all again and subjugating Jews for their blood libel. 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.240 And they have found it in the extreme left. They 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:16.240 have found it in a group of people, hardcore extremists, 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:19.039 and I think they do not actually represent the mainstream left. 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.479 And I think you'll see at the next election just 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:25.160 how much this issue comes to buy it. But people 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:29.200 who are throwing around words like genocide, which is most 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.880 commonly associated with the Holocaust, which was the greatest genocide 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:36.000 ever perpetuated in human history, and which would not have 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:39.000 happened if there was a Jewish homeland, if there was 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:43.000 an Israel in Nazi Germany and the Second World War. 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:46.080 The fact, the reason why all those Jewish people were 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:49.920 slaughtered throughout Eastern Europe in particular and Genesis, they had 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:52.520 nowhere else to go. They had nowhere else to go. 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:55.599 You know, if you're a Christian, there are countries where 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:59.000 you can go, where you can find refuge from people 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.160 who share your faith. If you're a Muslim, the same thing. 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:02.120 The Jews had nowhere to go. 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:03.200 And so the thing I. 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.200 Would take issue with what you've said, As you've said, 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.279 it's people. They're not representative of the left. I would 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:12.240 argue that, unfortunately it has. It does represent a lot 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.440 of making perhaps not the heart, the heart the right, 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:17.200 perhaps not your right. 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:23.080 Fact the activist, the act. Certainly the activists left himself. 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:28.159 He was caught on tape my colleague sharing marks and 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.240 showed this on her program many times. He was caught 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.080 on tape years ago at one of these from the 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:37.840 River to the Sea protests, yelling into a megaphone, and 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:41.400 his actions as Prime Minister has showed where his heart 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.080 really lies. I mean, I do think a lot of 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:45.839 it is domestic politics. At play and wanted to appease 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:50.719 Western Sydney voters and others in high Muslim areas. 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.440 But h electorates. 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:54.479 But I also think it is at the heart of 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.440 who he is and the fact that our Prime minister 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:02.840 and Foreign Minister make these decisions that essentially reward terrorism 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:07.440 that in terms of moving towards recognizing a Palestinian state, 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:13.839 just further emboldened this type of disgusting anti Semitism that 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:14.400 we're seeing. 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:18.680 Definitely, and I think so labor at its core, not 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.159 all of them. There are some great defenders of Israel 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.560 in the Labor Party. I mean, and this is the thing. 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.680 They're a dying breed of labor politician, they really are. 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:31.880 There are far fewer labor politicians now that support Israel 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.280 than there were a couple decades ago, and that probably 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.800 is the ascension of the woke left in labor ranks. 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:41.240 But I think the bigger challenge for Albanesi now is 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.960 his core is anti Israel. But now he also has 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:49.560 huge constituencies that are anti Israel because they are dominated 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:53.520 by Muslims and so on. This synagogue was also written 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:57.360 a la wakba, like, we can't ignore that fact. There 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:01.120 is also Joe talks about white supremacist anti semitism, but 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:04.960 we're seeing a rise in Islamic anti semitism as well, 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:08.000 and so I think we need Muslim leaders to step 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:11.000 up now and denounce this and say we don't support that. 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.160 But I think there really does seem to be a 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.480 vacuum of leadership in the Muslim community as well, and 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.720 it's pushing labor further and further into this kind of 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:24.800 corner where they have to appease huge communities, but those 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:28.040 are the same community potentially supporting antism. 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:30.600 I don't know who committed this attack, obviously, but it 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:35.080 did happen in a heavily Muslim area of southwest Sydney, 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:39.360 and prays right, there were the words ala akba with 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:42.440 Hitler on the same wall. We don't know who wrote them. 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:46.880 But I think when our leaders like Anthony Albanizi talk 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:50.360 about equating, they always mention anti Semitism in the same 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:51.800 breath Islamia. 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.679 That's right, and they are completely they are completely different things, 0:07:54.680 --> 0:08:00.640 because anti Semitism actually abscribes to an entire fake conspiracy 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.400 theory about a kabbal of Jews running the world and 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.520 protocols and design. When people say there's not a phibe 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:09.800 that okay, fine, they don't like Muslims, but they like them. 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:13.320 They don't like them for reasons that are you know 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:15.080 here on earth. 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.720 If you like that they I think that is much 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:18.280 too widely. 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:22.000 Sure, there have been attacks on Muslims which are horrendous, 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.720 but so many much of the time the criticism might 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:26.280 be about the ideology. 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:29.440 That's right, but is that's right? So if you say, 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.400 say someone's Islamophobic, maybe it's because someone's read the Koran 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.160 and there's a lot of really weird, nasty stuff in there, 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.040 and so they said, right, I don't like this, this 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:39.720 this religion is violent or whatever, blah blah blah blah. 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.840 But again, that's at least someone who has read the Quran. 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:46.040 Anti Semitism is not caused by people who have read 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.080 the Torah. It's caused by people who have read the 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:53.559 protocols of the others desire, which is a completely fictitious 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.240 that's right. It's like it's like being you know, it's 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:59.240 like being anti Christian because you've read the Lord of 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.720 the Rings and you think that's the Bible. Like it is. 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:05.000 So again, it is different to other forms of all 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:07.360 the forms of races have been prejudiced or whatever. Bad bad, bad, 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:12.479 bad bad. But this is a particular form of prejudice 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:16.440 that is extremely specific to one particular group. And it 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:18.559 dates back not just to the Nazis and all their 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:21.079 crazy stuff or to you know, Russia where there was 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:24.120 all this stuff. There were broadcasts and fascist Spain about 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:25.800 this sort of stuff and what the Jews are doing 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:28.600 and how they lost the lost Germany World War One. 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:30.880 It goes back to medieval times where you know, it 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.600 was you know, Jews were having secret rituals where they 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.960 would steal your babies and kill them. Okay, now again. 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:39.720 Sounds very much like a Candaeo on podcast, But this 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:40.480 is exactly right. 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.440 Like so it is not that this is not just 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:48.360 kind of you know, being anti Chinese or saying, you know, 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.760 we've got to shut the door, there's too many immigrants here. 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:54.560 This is complete insanity of people who have cooked up 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:58.560 this idea that there is a secret society of evil, 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:02.559 subhuman reachers that are running the world. This is this 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.559 was Hitler's thesis. This was his lesis we've seen you, 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.200 that's right, and we see where at least, and it 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:12.959 leads to swastikas in Muslim neighborhoods and Muslims thinking, oh, 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:17.160 these Nazi guys, they hate Israel, we hate Israel. We're 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:20.320 on the same side. And then left the extreme that's right, 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:25.160 it's nuts, and the extreme left by using words like genocide, 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.959 like apartheid, you are justifying that hatred and you are 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:32.080 justifying that narrative of this evil group of people doing 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:35.959 evil things because oh well, if it's genocide, then they're 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:37.840 just as bad as the Nazis. Oh well, if it's 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:41.079 apart they're just as bad as the white South Africans, 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:44.520 the Africans, and so it. So when you know person X, 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:46.480 whoever it may be, thinks, yeah, I'm going to go 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:48.520 and paint some swastikas on a synagogue or I'm going 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.200 to fire by the synagogue, they think they're doing the 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:55.480 righteous thing because their actions have been legitimized by people 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:59.240 on the activist left who are saying it's okay because 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:01.400 Jews are the new Nazis, so whatever you do to 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:04.120 them is okay. You're not a terrorist, you're a freedom fault. 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.079 Look, I'm a curious agreement that there's a huge problem 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.440 on the far left, but I think it goes beyond 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:13.760 that and into our current government and mainstream problem is 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.360 that because we've had we have people like Tony Burke 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.880 and Ed Husick who skirt around the edges of that 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:23.040 and may not use the words like bright eye, but 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.400 they appears those people. 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.720 What has happened in the Labor Party over recent years, 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:32.320 unfortunately and tragically, if you care about it as much 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:34.840 as I do, is that it has been always is 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.040 the sort of most extreme and loudest activists will be 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.360 the loudest voices in the room, because that's what they do, right. 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.360 So they come in, they come, they take over some 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:44.000 of the branches, some of the inner city branches, the 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.240 left wing branches, and they're jumping up and down about Palestine, 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:51.280 and so the party machine, which isn't actually all in 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.520 on this stuff because they're far too sensible things all right, 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:57.200 Just to shut them up, we'll change the wording on this, 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:01.800 you know, on this national conference place which labor governments 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.040 ignore all the time, They never pay any attention to it, 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.000 and it doesn't matter. This is something that's just been 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.520 bubbling over. We'll just do this word and to shut 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.400 them up. They'll then back aucust which is exactly what happened, 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:13.559 and that's what we actually need them to do. Then 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.440 something like October seven happens, and suddenly you're kind of 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:18.760 caught in the headlights with your pants down, because just 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:22.880 before this happened, you actually passed this motion that set 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.959 the party just a little bit more against Israel, or 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:28.360 at least that's percent. And so you've done something that 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:30.240 you think is just a token thing to shut up 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:34.120 these loudmouth activists who won't be quiet. But suddenly you've 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:36.920 actually done something substantial without kind of meaning to it. 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:39.480 And the problem is, and yes, it is true that 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:41.440 the people on the right of the party who would 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.560 normally be the most vocal supporters and the people who 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:47.280 would stand up to these nutters are actually the ones 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:50.240 in the suburbs with most of the Muslims. Because the 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.520 people in the right of the Labor Party who represent 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:56.040 the actual working class, who represent the actual sort of battlands. 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.439 And then that's right, So you've got this. The problem 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:01.959 is you've got this kind of and I think the 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:05.559 Muslim voice thing. I think that will hopefully just fizzle 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.240 out and die. But you do have this big problem 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:12.720 where you know you've got all these horrendous affluent, tertiary 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:17.280 educated inner city activist wankers who are shouting and jumping 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:19.800 up and down, and the sensible people who had stopped 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:21.920 them are the ones who've actually got the Muslims in 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:24.600 their community, many of whom are suffering and have connections 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.199 over there. But again, it is hard for them to 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:31.680 kind to be as vocal as they probably should be 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:34.280 or we would like them to be, because they're constituents 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.960 who they're obliged to serve among the people who have 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.000 family members and community members are so that is the 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:40.520 whole problem. 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.000 It goes beyond that when people like our Education Minister 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:47.079 Jason Clair doesn't take action on Palestinian encampments where Jurish 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:52.560 students and staff feeling harassed and are harassed because they're 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:54.720 worried about their constituents and their seats. 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:56.120 That's unacceptable. 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:59.400 But look, let's move on to another very similar topic. 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:04.080 Sadly and Victorian Police Minister Well he's blamed the cancelation 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:08.599 of an ice hockey tournament in Melbourne for causing unnecessary 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:13.400 alarm to the Jewish community. Ice Hockey Australia canceled the 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:16.720 April event, which would have included an Israeli team. 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:18.560 Citing safety and. 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:24.520 Security concerns, Victorian Police Minister Anthony Carbines wrote to the 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:29.160 Ice Hockey Australia President Ryan o'handley, warning, in the absence 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:32.360 of specific advice, that there was a threat to your event. 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:36.720 I believe your actions have caused unnecessary alarm in the 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:37.800 Jewish community. 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:41.000 It is not acceptable to throw in the towel just 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:46.240 because people might protest the participation of Israeli athletes. 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:47.440 Freyer, I was. 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.840 Actually heartened by the statement, and it came from a 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:54.400 Victorian labor minister, which I feel that they have not 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:57.640 been strong enough there, in particular in Victoria. 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.160 But look, it doesn't even seem. 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:03.680 Like this was the case where the organizers of the 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:06.000 event were capitulating to protesters. 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.880 It sounds like there was no actual threat and that. 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:12.480 They just jumped the gun thinking that they would preempt 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:13.960 any sort of possible hatred. 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:15.800 And that's a terrible precedent to search. 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.520 It does seem very strange and where does that leave 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.120 Israel in the world sporting stage. I mean, we did 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:24.400 see what happened in Amsterdam, the Netherlands a couple of 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:26.720 months ago. It was like a full scale twenty first 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:30.960 century pogram of Israeli football fans, and so I understand 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:36.080 why these sporting codes would be very cautious around how 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:40.720 Israeli's participate in sport. But the answer is to up 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.480 the security and say stuff, you we're going to have 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.680 israel participate. The answers are say, oh, okay, we're just 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:48.440 not going to We're just going to cancel the whole 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.160 event like it is extremely weak. But then on the 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.360 other hand, I do I mean, I don't think we 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.520 can fully absolve this minister or the Labor government of 0:15:56.560 --> 0:16:01.120 responsibility because the fact that any sporting is asociation is 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:04.640 even considering that they have to ban a competition where 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:08.880 Israeli's a present because of security and safety in Australia 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:12.200 in the twenty first century. I think that is an 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.000 embarrassment and a national shame. 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:14.920 And we've seen this. 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.880 Israeli's are scared to come to Australia as tourists. Jews 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:22.080 are being harassed when they're here on holidays like that 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:25.280 is crazy and we should all be a shame that 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.160 we've let that happen in this country. Having said that, 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.560 the answer is not to cancel everything. The answer is 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:33.200 to double down and stand up to the protesters. But 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.360 maybe if the government had done that, like fourteen months ago, 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:37.640 we wouldn't be in this position. 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.480 A very good point. The Victorian government has helped set 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:41.720 the sne exact. 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:46.000 Organizers feel that they have to do this, So you're absolutely. 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.200 Right, although I'm calling absolute bollocks on this. The idea 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:49.760 that the organ we have to do this for the 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:53.880 safety of the Jewish actually one booth. This is the 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:59.360 excuse that people use to advance cancel culture every single time. 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:03.920 It is excuse they use to capitulate to extremists because 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.879 they are either scared or because they are secretly on 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.040 their side. What was the excuse that you know they 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:11.639 use at Sydney UNI when the academics were attacked by 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.719 all those protesters. We had to barricade them. We had 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.560 to lock them in a room for their own safety, 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:21.920 because of course we couldn't actually stop all these feral protesters. 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.520 And tell them is academicsctly. 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:26.840 They had to lock them. They had to lock them 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.000 in their for their own safety. What happens every time 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:32.920 someone controversial is invited to speak, and you know, there's 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:36.120 a venue set up and suddenly the venue says, oh sorry, 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:38.800 we had to cancel whoever it was, Milly and novels. 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:42.520 Whoever it might be controversial their own safety. 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:47.760 Controversial right now means being Israeli or even justly. I 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:50.000 covered a number of stories this year on Sky News 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:55.560 in which comedians even were canceled that were just because 0:17:55.560 --> 0:18:02.359 they were Israeli from a venue, shovel Cinemas to name it. 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:08.800 Australian University made a very surprising decision last year to 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:11.679 cancel a talk They said it was postponing it, but 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:15.200 they hadn't set the new date yet with an Israeli 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:21.080 academic who had actually worked on bone fragments from October 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:23.479 seven because they thought it would be too controversial at 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:25.200 the Australian Catholic University. 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:28.240 But this is the whole problem. We have a mob 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:34.280 that wants to shut down silence and use coersion, whether 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:39.120 that's through targeting businesses, institutions, violent protests, and they want 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:42.440 to shut down Jews. That is what happened in the 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:45.840 nineteen thirties in Germany and that is what is happening 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:49.760 in Australia today. This is how it starts boycotting, targeting 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:54.280 the religious institutions, targeting schools, boycotting businesses. 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:55.520 Making campuses unsafe. 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.879 This is the exact playbook that was followed in the 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:02.879 nineteen thirty and it is happening again in Australia today. 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:07.560 And unless our government and our politicians stand up to 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:10.720 this and take real action to shut down these protesters, 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:17.040 they are complicit. Anything other than total action is complicity 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:19.600 and is allowing anti Semitism to flourish. 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:21.720 Right, and you talk about nine thirds and talking about 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:25.520 the very specific kind of prejudice that people have against 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:29.480 Jews that they would never tolerate against any other ethnic, 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:33.639 eth no religious group. Imagine if the US government, Imagine 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:37.680 if the US Olympics team had said to Jesse Owens said, look, Jesse, 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:40.960 you're probably want to sit the Berlin Olympics out mate 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:44.000 with the furor. Don't worry. We're not on Hitler's side, 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:48.240 but we just can't guarantee your safety. Just imagine that 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:52.600 conversation taking place, and again he comes over. He shows 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:56.359 the Nazis just what their superman theory really means, and 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:58.919 it stands up to them. But that could just as 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:03.320 easily that no athlete less safe in human history than 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:06.840 less Owens until of course Munich got great history. Germany does. 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:10.359 But again, imagine if someone had actually said that. I 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:13.720 imagine if someone had said to the Munich athletes, the 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:17.520 Jewish athletes at Munich, the Israeli athletes at Music so, oh, well, yeah, 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:20.199 they probably shouldn't have come because you know, we couldn't 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:23.080 keep themself, Like, is that really what we're doing now? 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:25.600 No one would believe it would be possible, And yet 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:28.479 there's such a different standard applied when it does come 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:29.600 to the Jewish community. 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:30.200 It's amazing. 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:34.200 Look, let's move on to the Californian wildfires because it's 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:37.320 still such a huge story and they have now claimed 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.720 at least ten lives and burned more than twenty seven 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:44.560 thousand acres. But already the focus has turned on who 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:48.960 to blame, and Hollywood celebrities are fast turning on the 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:53.800 Los Angeles mayor and the liberal governor, Gavin Newsome. Buffy 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:57.119 star Sarah Michelle Gella tagged the mayor in a post, reading, 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:00.840 City of LA you want everyone to evacuate, yet you 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:04.359 have complete gridlock and not one traffic cop on the 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:08.879 roads helping, while actress Sarah Foster wrote the Mayor of 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:13.679 LA and Gavin Newsome, resign. Your far left policies have 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:18.119 ruined our state and also our party. And celebrity trainer 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:22.760 Jillian Michaels wrote, leadership in California is beyond negligent. This 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:27.280 is completely unacceptable. It's funny, isn't it. Hollywood A leaders 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:29.800 that usually the ones lecturing the rest of us with 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:33.360 their liberal politics and progressive attitudes. 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:34.800 But the minute it's. 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:38.360