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Speaker 1: the news from the Australian. From the Australian, here's what's

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Speaker 1: on the Front. I'm Claire Harvey. It's Wednesday, September twenty five.

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Speaker 1: More pain for mortgage holders after the Reserve Bank held

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Speaker 1: interest rates at four point three five percent on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: It's the seventh straight RBA meeting where the cash rate

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Speaker 1: has remained unchanged.

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Speaker 2: The board needs to be consonant that inflation is moving

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Speaker 2: sustainably towards the target for any decisions are made about

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Speaker 2: a reduction and interest rate.

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Speaker 1: Do women's rights activists belong in the Liberal Party? That's

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Speaker 1: one of the issues being thrashed out in the Federal

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Speaker 1: Court in a big defamation battle between the Victorian Opposition

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Speaker 1: leader and an MP kicked out of the party today.

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Speaker 1: Superstar barristers Sue Chrisanthu and Matt Collins lock Hoorn's.

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Speaker 2: Your values do not dictate the beliefs and tenets of

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Speaker 2: the Liberal Party merely because you are a current leader.

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Speaker 1: That's a voice actor reading the words spoken in court

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Speaker 1: by defamation lawyer Sue Chrisanthu sc on Tuesday, Chrisanthu was

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Speaker 1: grilling victorious opposition leader John Pizuto.

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Speaker 2: And frankly, your personal values as leader are irrelevant to

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Speaker 2: the underlying beliefs and values of the Liberal Party. It's

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Speaker 2: not your party merely because as at March twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: you'd been a leader for a few months.

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Speaker 1: Do you agree or disagree?

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Speaker 3: I agree, it's not my party.

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Speaker 1: Fizudo is being sued for defamation by ousted Victorian MP

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Speaker 1: Moira Deeming. She was booted from the party after organizing

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Speaker 1: and speaking at a wild March twenty twenty three rally

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Speaker 1: by self styled women's rights activists. The rally drew crowds

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Speaker 1: of pro trans protesters and a group of men in

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Speaker 1: black making Nazi salutes.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to each and every one of you that

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Speaker 2: cal crave enough to come here. And it's not your values,

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Speaker 2: particularly as you'd only been leader for a few months

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Speaker 2: as at March twenty twenty three, that were relevant and

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Speaker 2: making decisions in the party room.

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Speaker 3: Of course they were. Let's be realistic here, your honor.

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Speaker 3: I'm the leader. I was elected because of what I

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Speaker 3: stand for, and I was elected because of what I

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Speaker 3: can bring to the role.

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Speaker 2: You were elected by one vote, so.

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Speaker 3: What I'm the elected leader, your honor?

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Speaker 2: Would you like to answer my question?

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Speaker 1: Rather than give speeches?

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Speaker 4: Missus Deming could and should have worked out that she

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Speaker 4: was walking into a disaster.

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Speaker 1: That's a voice actor reading the words of Colin's CAC

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Speaker 1: Council for John Persuto and those angry men were the

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Speaker 1: neo Nazis who showed up at the rally. Deeming organized

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Speaker 1: and performed Adolf Hitler's one armed salute in his opening

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Speaker 1: address delivered on Tuesday. Just before John Persuto entered the

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Speaker 1: witness box, Colin said Moira Deeming had breached her obligation

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Speaker 1: to demonstrate to victorians that the Liberal Party was united,

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Speaker 1: inclusive and deserving of being elected. Colin said when Deeming

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Speaker 1: her that British activist Kelly J. Keene Minshol, also known

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Speaker 1: as Posey Parker, was coming to Australia on a speaking tour,

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Speaker 1: she contacted her asking how she could help.

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Speaker 4: She paid for security guards for the rally, organized and

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Speaker 4: paid for the sound equipment. She fundraised for the rally,

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Speaker 4: She promoted the rally, She booked the steps of Parliament

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Speaker 4: House for the rally, and she arranged to escort miss

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Speaker 4: Keene to the steps.

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Speaker 1: The issue Colin said was that Kelly J. Keen Minshol

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Speaker 1: had made it clear in the weeks before this rally

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Speaker 1: that she believed trans people were associated with pedophiles. Collins

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Speaker 1: cited an article in the Courier Mail quoting Keen at

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Speaker 1: a Brisbane rally five days before the Melbourne rally. Here's

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Speaker 1: what that article said. Miss Kean told the crowd that

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Speaker 1: she doesn't think trans is a thing and described it

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Speaker 1: as a dirty fetish and cult. The article went on

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Speaker 1: to quote a local LGBTI organization claiming Keen was linked

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Speaker 1: to the Proud Boys, a far right American movement, Holocaust deniers,

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Speaker 1: and white supremacists.

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Speaker 4: A member of a mainstream political party which aspires to government,

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Speaker 4: a member of that party has no business in organizing

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Speaker 4: rallies to the extent that Missus Deeming did without having

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Speaker 4: done basic research which would have uncovered just how top

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Speaker 4: these associations would prove to be. Mister Pursuito wants to

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Speaker 4: be elected to government. Anyone who had conducted a Google

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Speaker 4: search on missus Keane's name would have found precisely this

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Speaker 4: sort of information about her, and that was inimical to

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Speaker 4: mister Pursuito's project, the Parliamentary Liberal Parties project of forming

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Speaker 4: the next government of our state.

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Speaker 1: An agenda and to destroy the new Clair family, to

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Speaker 1: destroy particularly women. This is Kelly J. Keen min'shole, also

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Speaker 1: known as Posey Parker, in an interview published on YouTube

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Speaker 1: shortly before her Melbourne rally. Paraphilias like transsectionism transgenderism, they're

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Speaker 1: often accompanied by another parathions.

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Speaker 2: It's very uncommon for a that for a man to

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Speaker 2: have one.

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Speaker 1: So that's another league and the.

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Speaker 2: Most commons to children because of the transagender.

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Speaker 4: The Macquarie Dictionary definition of paraphilia is a preference for

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Speaker 4: or addiction to an unusual sexual practice. Transsexualism and transgenderism

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Speaker 4: are not unusual sexual practices. They're a form of gender identity.

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Speaker 1: Deeming earlier told Colins in the witness Box she'd never

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Speaker 1: heard Keen say those things. Deeming said she hadn't heard

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Speaker 1: Keen say that pedophiles would get easier access to children

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Speaker 1: because of the transagenda.

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Speaker 4: What one has in the public statements by missus Keen

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Speaker 4: is an easy illusion between trans people and pedophilia.

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Speaker 1: Colin said, Kelly J. Keen Minshol's online presence was also

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Speaker 1: full of invocations of the Nazis.

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Speaker 4: She would have found photos of missus Keane smiling with

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Speaker 4: an alleged Holocaust denier. She would have found a profile

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Speaker 4: picture used by missus Keane of a Barbie doll in

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Speaker 4: a Nazi uniform, and she would have seen a tweet

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Speaker 4: from missus Kean equating the tactics of those who argue

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Speaker 4: LGBTI rights, that is, the Pride Movement, with the tactics

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Speaker 4: of the Gestapo during World War II. I will seek

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Speaker 4: to persuade your honor that missus Kean is plainly anti trans.

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Speaker 4: Anyone who says that transsexualism or transgenderism is connected to

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Speaker 4: pedophilia is spouting hateful, hateful speech, and there are many

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Speaker 4: statements of that kind by her. When someone describes trans

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Speaker 4: as a dirty fetish and a cult, that's hateful.

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Speaker 1: Coming up the Nazis in tight little shorts. At the Australian,

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Speaker 1: wins this battle for the soul of Victoria's Liberal Party.

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Speaker 1: this idea that people who advocate for the rights of

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Speaker 1: trans people are advocating for pedophilia. That's what self styled

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Speaker 1: Nazi Thomas Sewele declared on the steps of Parliament to.

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Speaker 2: Every cigarette, not just sting for your They're going for everyone.

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Speaker 1: If you didn't catch that Sewell, who's wearing a tight

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Speaker 1: black T shirt and tiny little black shorts, says, these communists,

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Speaker 1: pedophiles and trainees have infiltrated every single institution. They're going

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Speaker 1: for everyone's children.

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Speaker 4: Mister Sewell. The neo Nazis were claiming that the reason

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Speaker 4: they had gone to Parliament House was to protect Missus

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Speaker 4: Keane's protest. They were there as a vanguard for that protest.

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Speaker 1: At the rally, pro transactivists being held across the street

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Speaker 1: by police on horseback, were linking the Nazis with Kelly

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Speaker 1: j Keen Minshol.

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Speaker 4: Missus Deeming knew that the Melbourne rally had the potential

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Speaker 4: to become violent. She was aware of personal and group

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Speaker 4: threats being made, and she took steps to arrange extra

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Speaker 4: security on behalf of Let Women Speak. She said that

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Speaker 4: the fact that there were threats made her quote more

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Speaker 4: determined to be brave and go. She said that she

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Speaker 4: did not tell mister Persuto or anyone else in the

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Speaker 4: leadership team of the threats that have been received and

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Speaker 4: of which she was aware.

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Speaker 1: This is not a case about whether the Liberals were

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Speaker 1: right to bounce Deeming. It's a defamation claim brought by

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Speaker 1: Deeming against Perzuto. She says he defamed her by falsely

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Speaker 1: suggesting she was a Nazi sympathizer. Perzuto is relying on

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Speaker 1: defenses of contextual truth and honest opinion about a matter

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Speaker 1: of public interest. He says Deeming is not a fit

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Speaker 1: and proper person to be in the Liberal Party.

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Speaker 4: In mister Persuto's view, she brought the Parliamentary Liberal Party

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Speaker 4: into disrepute to such an extent that the leadership team

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Speaker 4: thought they were compelled to act against her. Politics is

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Speaker 4: a rough game. Politics is a brutal game. This is

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Speaker 4: a fight to hold the government of our state. In

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Speaker 4: order to hold called the government of our state in

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Speaker 4: a system with compulsory voting, one has to attract the mainstream.

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Speaker 4: One has to attract a majority of the electors. That

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Speaker 4: means associations of this kind are absolutely toxic. They drive

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Speaker 4: people from the center a mile away from thinking that

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Speaker 4: your party is fit to govern. That's why he acted.

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