WEBVTT - Project 2025: The Trump presidency wish list 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:03.320 From SHORTZ Media. I'm Rick Morton. 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:11.200 This is seven AM. President Joe Biden has spent the 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.040 last week trying to recover from a debate performance that's 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:17.200 been described as calamitous and agonizing. 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:20.720 Was this a bad episode with a sign of a 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:21.880 more serious condition. 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:27.200 It's a bad episode. No, one, kid's very serious condition 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:27.840 of success. 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:30.479 The New York Times, top donors and several of his 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:33.840 congressional colleagues have been calling for him to leave the race, 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:36.040 but at this point he's still refusing. 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:39.680 If you can be convinced that you can knock defeat 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:41.199 Donald Trump while you stand out. 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:45.920 Well the fans of I know as the Lord or 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:47.760 Mighty comes out and tells me that I might do 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:48.440 that well. 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:53.000 And as Donald Trump's leading the polls, Whydon's attention is 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:56.000 now turning to the former president's potential agenda if you 0:00:56.000 --> 0:01:00.080 were to win another term, with one particular blueprint raising concern. 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:03.240 It's called Project twenty twenty five and includes calls to 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:08.959 expand presidential power, dismantle federal agencies, and dramatically increase America's 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:13.600 military capability. Today, senior researcher at the Australian Institute, doctor 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:16.960 Emma shortas on Project twenty twenty five and why its 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:25.480 authors are threatening a second American revolution. It's Monday, the 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:41.240 eighth of July. Emma shortis the pressure for President Biden 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:44.680 to pull out of the US presidential election is increasing 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:48.760 quite intensely as his popularity continues to slide. Of course, 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:51.200 there was that disastrous debate, and that also means the 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:54.400 likelihood of a second Trump presidency is going up as well. 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:57.320 So how will Trump two point zero actually be different 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:01.280 this time around compared to Trump's first go rick. 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:04.919 It's always, of course, difficult to predict anything about Donald 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:08.520 Trump because he is such a loose canon. But it's 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:10.760 pretty clear if you look not so much at Trump 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:14.760 himself but the kind of structures that have been built 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:20.160 beneath him, that a second Trump presidency would be radically different. 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:20.600 From the first. 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:24.359 Particularly, the first couple of months of the Trump presidency 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:28.760 were marked by chaos, mostly because Trump and the people 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:33.240 around him didn't really understand how American power functions and 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:36.400 how to use the systems of American power to get 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:37.000 what they want. 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:39.400 One of the things that has made this White House 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.400 different from all the other White Houses is the amount 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:45.919 of leaking that happens inside it. This White House is 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:50.080 so leaking. Last year, Axials published a piece entitled White 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:52.520 House Leakers Leak about leaking. 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:54.680 And that is no longer true. They've really learnt the 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:58.160 lessons of particularly those early days of the Trump presidency. 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.480 In fact, there are plan written by the Heritage Foundation 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.880 and about one hundred other conservative think tanks in the 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:11.600 United States for pretty much every single federal department and agency, 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:15.880 every policy area that you can think of, with pretty 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:21.200 extraordinary radical ideas for what that second Trump presidency would do. 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.639 What Project twenty twenty five is trying to do is 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:28.960 issue a corrective a series of new regulation or deregulation, 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:34.040 new policies, new leadership to undo, to correct the century 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:38.520 long capital p progressive project of establishing a fourth branch 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:40.040 of government, the administrative state. 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:43.520 Project twenty twenty five is a plan for the next 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:47.000 conservative presidency. This is how they describe it, and it's 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.800 attempting to replicate what they did in the nineteen eighties 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:54.320 for the Reagan administration, where they handed Reagan the plan 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.920 for a conservative policy agenda for the president that he 0:03:58.000 --> 0:03:58.920 went on to implement it. 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:04.440 I thank you, Heritage, thanks you, and so does the 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:08.400 conservative movement. But I can't help reflecting tonight and the 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:13.119 fact that Heritage ten actually exceeded its fundraising goal by 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:14.280 two million dollars. 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.240 You know, Originally, I think you could have classified Heritage 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:21.039 as a kind of traditionally conservative organization, particularly in the 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:25.240 Reagan era. You know, it was all about implementing conservative policies, 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:28.479 particularly kind of social conservatism when it came to Reagan. 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:32.039 And really they almost kind of collapsed and felp totally 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.920 out of favor once Trump won. But what they've done 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:38.680 is successfully kind of rebuild themselves in his image and 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:43.560 particularly in the image of the far right. Increasingly. You know, 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.400 you can see the Heritage Foundation and Project twenty twenty 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:51.320 five really dominating the kind of far right media universe 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:55.880 in particular. So Kevin Roberts, for example, who's the president 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:59.440 of their Heritage Foundation, has been on television just this 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.720 week saying that something along the lines of the revolution 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.520 will be bloodless if the left allows it to be. 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.279 We're in the process of taking this country back. The 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:11.800 reason that they are apoplectic right now, the reason that 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:17.000 so many anchors on MSNBC, for example, are losing their 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.479 minds daily, is because our side is winning, and so 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.200 I come full circle in this response and just want 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:25.599 to encourage you with some substance that we are in 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.760 the process of the Second American Revolution, which will remain 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:30.919 bloodless if the left allows. 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:33.239 It to be. Oh, it's a threat, it's absolutely threat. 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:36.880 It's absolutely a threat. And the language is about warfare 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:40.359 and joining the mission. So again, you know, they're not 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.680 hiding any of this. And they're even former Trump administration 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:47.160 officials who are still you know, incredibly loyal, who are 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:51.120 still very much in that inner circle, who are participating 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.080 and driving this project twenty twenty five, and you can see, 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:57.960 particularly in the last week, they are increasingly convinced that 0:05:57.960 --> 0:05:58.680 they've already won. 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.000 So we're actually in plan. Tell me about the details. 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:06.640 It's a nine hundred page manifesto for the next administration. 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:11.400 It's extraordinary, and it goes into the most meticulous detail, 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:15.200 down to low level appointments, down to low level budget 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.800 lines and how budget should be allocated. You know, there's 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:24.280 a suggestion, for example, that the entire Federal Reserve be dismantled. 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:28.480 And alongside that mandate for leadership those detailed plans, they 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:31.960 also have a recruitment arm which is kind of like 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:36.480 a Conservative LinkedIn where members of a far right can 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.120 express their interest in working in a future conservative administration. 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:44.520 And what these candidates have to go through is kind 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.320 of a rigorous loyalty test where they they're asked questions 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.960 not about their expertise in particular policy areas, but about 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:53.279 their loyalty to far right America and Trump in particular. 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.719 And this bank of potentially tens of thousands of people 0:06:56.880 --> 0:07:00.120 again will be handed to a future conservative administration, and 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.839 the idea is that that administration will use something called 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:07.359 Schedule F, which is an old Trump executive order that 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:11.840 reclassifies independent civil servants as political appointees so that they 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:15.880 can be summarily fired and replaced with Trump loyalists, who, 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:20.559 through another aspect of this Heritage Foundation plan, have gone 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.560 through a whole lot of education programs in how to 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:28.560 use power in the federal bureaucracy to achieve their ends. 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:33.520 So all of that together represents this pretty extraordinary effort 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:38.320 to radically reshape American politics and American culture in order 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:40.320 to implement a far right agenda. 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:44.320 We've spoken a lot about the domestic institutions that might 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:46.600 be dismantled and I mean, we've always been taught that 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:48.960 America is home to exceptionalism. But what does it mean 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:50.360 for the rest of the world if this kind of 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:54.200 stuff gets the full traction of President Trump's office. 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.040 I think it's such an important question because so often 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.760 in Australia we treat kind of the domestic politic culture 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:01.880 of our of the United States as separate to its 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:05.480 international presence. You know, our relationship with the United States, 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.920 the alliance is something entirely different from domestic politics. But 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:12.560 particularly what this Heritage Foundation plan does is demonstrate how 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.920 you can't make that separation, because you know, plans to 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:19.840 dismantle the Federal Reserve in the most powerful economy in 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:24.760 the world will have unbelievable kind of mind boggling implications 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:27.720 for the international economic system, for example. So there's that, 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:30.640 But when you look at foreign policy as well, their 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:33.360 plans are incredibly radical. You know, Trump has already been 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:37.079 talking about his plans for China, for example, and putting 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:40.040 up to one hundred percent tariffs on Chinese goods coming 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:44.160 to the United States, which will again create significant economic 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.240 turmoil internally in the United States, but that also means 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:51.400 economic turmoil externally. And then when you put that alongside 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:54.840 the Project twenty twenty five plans for foreign policy, and 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:56.880 the biggest one that stands out to me is a 0:08:56.920 --> 0:09:02.360 recommendation that engagement with China should be ended and not refought. 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.200 That is why we will launch an all out campaign 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.160 to eliminate America's dependence on Shila. 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:13.080 The reason is primarily that the forces behind Project twenty 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:16.160 twenty five and Trump as well, see China as an 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:19.200 existential threat to the United States. So this is a 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:22.840 kind of new Cold War framing where the only way 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:26.800 to defeat this existential threat is with force and aggression, 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:31.000 you know, be it economic or military. It involves plans 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:34.040 to increase the force posture of the American military, so 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.640 the number of troops, for example, by up to fifty thousand, 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.439 and move many of them to the Indo Pacific as 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.720 well out of Europe. And I'm not sure that we 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:48.160 are necessarily considering the implications of that and how an 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:52.520 Australian government might manage that considerable upheaval, because there are 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:56.360 also plans as well, I should add, to significantly increase 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:59.439 the nuclear arsenal of the United States, and the line 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:02.120 in Project twenty twenty five around that is that the 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.160 arsenal should be increased in order to deter both China 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:09.400 and Russia at once. So the magnitude of that planned 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:14.720 increase again is really really quite frightening considering whose hands, 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:16.680 you know, those weapons are going to be in. 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.800 After the break. How the man standing between the rest 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.760 of the world and Trump, Joe Biden, is failing to 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.400 ease lories about his age and capacity. 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:41.360 To lead, making sure that we continue to strengthen our 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:44.199 healthcare system, making sure that we're able to make every 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:48.880 single solitary person eligible for what I've been able to 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.440 do with with the COVID I e. Scul you, with 0:10:53.720 --> 0:11:01.320 dealing with everything we have to do with what we 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:02.800 finally beat Medicare. 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:04.559 Thank you, President Emma. 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:08.040 Donald Trump has been underestimated before, there's no doubt about that, 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.560 and now only months away from the election, there's essentially 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.800 one person standing between him and the White House. But 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:17.160 there are a lot of questions about Joe Biden's capability, 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.280 particularly after what was a catastrophic debate performance recently. 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.480 That's right, I think you know, every time you look 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:25.360 back at it or listen back to it, it gets 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:29.040 worse and worse, and Biden and the Biden camp have 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.960 since kind of quietly admitted that they know they've got 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.720 a matter of days really to recover and to convince 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:36.040 Democrats that they can win. 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.800 At a five raiser in Virginia last night, the President 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:42.640 blamed his performance on jet lag, saying, quote, I decided 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:45.320 to travel around the world a couple of times shortly 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:48.240 before the debate, I didn't listen to my staff, and 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:50.319 then I almost fell asleep on stage. 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.320 You know, if you go back to twenty twenty and 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:56.520 the nominating process in the Democratic Party, there was a 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:02.000 pretty extraordinary suite of young, diverse its, including Kamala Harris, 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:05.040 who looked very much like the next generation of the 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:10.320 Democratic Party. And part of Biden's I think pitch in 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:14.000 his ability to win that nomination was his promise to 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:17.160 be a generational bridge to that next generation really of 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:20.600 diverse leadership in a Democratic Party. And I think part 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:24.480 of what we can underestimate about Biden's trouble now is 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:28.080 the depth of that feeling of betrayal that you know, 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:31.200 he hasn't acted as a bridge to the next generation. 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:36.280 The combination of Biden's catastrophic debate performance, that and the 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:39.960 momentum behind calls for him to step aside. Once that 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:43.559 momentum starts, it's pretty difficult to stop it. 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.280 Amid the calls from some for President Biden to bow 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:48.800 out of the race, from a Democratic Congressman Tim Ryan 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:53.160 of Ohio says Vice President Kamala Harris should replace Biden 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:54.160 at the top of the ticket. 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:59.640 Biden's dilemma, I suppose, is that if he does step aside, 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.880 he needs to anoint a successor. He needs to make 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:07.199 I guess, a kind of clear pathway for the next candidate, 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.360 and he has effectively already made the choice of who 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:11.520 should be his successor. 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:13.520 Everything is in context. 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:16.480 My mother used to she would give us a hard 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:18.960 time sometimes, and she would say to us, I don't 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:19.760 know what's wrong. 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:20.400 With you, young people. 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.920 You'd think you just fell out of a coconut tree. 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.800 Harris is probably the best placed candidate in terms of 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.600 the actual structures that you need behind you in order 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.240 to win a national election campaign. So there's a lot 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:37.480 of noise about other potential candidates as well, but none 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:40.240 of them have I don't think the national recognition that 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:44.760 Harris has, or the kind of campaign architecture sitting behind 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.160 them that they would need, because, of course, Harris, in 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:49.640 the event that she did become the preferred candidate, would 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:54.040 inherit Biden's campaign and his campaign structure and also his donors. 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:58.679 She polls reasonably well, but not much better than Biden 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:00.720 when it comes to a head to head against Trump. 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:04.640 But I have to admit to being very skeptical of 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.120 that kind of polling. You know, I'd be wary of 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:09.640 putting too much stock in it because there's a pretty 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.680 big difference between being a hypothetical candidate and being an 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:16.000 actual candidate. And to go back to the kind of 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:18.800 grim nature of American politics at the moment as well, 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:23.440 I think we can't underestimate the scale of the backlash 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.440 that would come if Harris was the candidate. If you 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.960 had a black woman as a candidate, the far right 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:32.880 in the United States will lose whatever is left of 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:37.560 its collective mind. But there is also acknowledgment that Harris 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:40.080 is not a progressive savior. You know, she was a 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:43.600 prosecutor before she was the vice president and so you'll 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:45.960 often see descriptions of her as a cop as well. 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:48.880 And I think part of the trepidation around Harris as 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:52.720 well is that she may not mobilize that progressive base 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:56.720 of the Democratic Party, particularly young people and people of color, 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.640 in the way that she would need to win a 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:03.040 general presidential election. So I think there's a long way 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:03.240 to go. 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:05.880 You mentioned earlier when we were chatting that maybe we 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:09.560 haven't really considered the ramifications of a second Trump presidency, 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.320 particularly on some of the foreign policy issues. Are we 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:15.120 prepared as a country for what might happen under Trump? 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:17.960 I don't think we are, you know, I think that. 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:21.000 I mean, there has been increasing coverage I think of 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:24.280 the preparations that the Australian government may or may not 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.840 be making for a second Trump presidency, most of which seem, 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.720 from the outside at least, to center around how the 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.560 government would manage Trump personally. You know, it's the old 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.440 kind of ambassador Joe Hockey approach, where you get someone 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:41.240 in who's good but not too good at golf, who 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:45.200 can have a relationship, like, you know, your personal relationship 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.080 with the president in order to kind of carve out 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:53.840 individual exemptions for Australia from the worst of the Trump policies. 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.360 Remember the first time around, when Trump was elected and 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.360 Malcolm Turnble didn't know how to get in touch with him. 0:15:58.400 --> 0:15:59.720 So he used Greg Norman. 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:03.240 The golfer exactly to like just call Trump, to call 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.640 Trump directly. Yeah, exactly right. And you know, I think 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.040 we can see a real effort on the part of 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.200 the Israian government to make sure that that doesn't happen again, 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:14.280 you know, to make sure that they have avenues into 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:17.440 a potential Trump administration. There's been coverage saying that Ambassador 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.640 Kevin Rudd is doing exactly that. You know, he's building 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:23.040 up relationships with people who would be kind of central 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:26.120 to a second Trump administration. But it does seem to 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:30.720 be around the question of management of a Trump administration 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:35.560 based on the assumption that Australia should maintain the same 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:38.960 level of closeness in that alliance that we do now 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:41.520 and that we have done for decades. So again, you know, 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.520 so much of the focus is on if Trump is elected, 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.640 like will he let us keep the Orchest submarine deal 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:52.240 without I think a consideration of what keeping the Orcest 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:57.160 submarine deal in light of a potential Trump administration's approach 0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:59.360 to China, for example. 0:16:59.400 --> 0:16:59.800 Might. 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:07.560 So for me, those bigger questions aren't really being asked, 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:11.800 and especially in light of you know, the language coming 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:15.200 out of trump Land, the language coming out of Project 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:20.720 twenty twenty five about revolutions and the dismantling of American democracy. 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.679 You know, there are some pretty big questions there about 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:28.560 Australia's so called shared values with the United States and 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:30.919 what it would mean to maintain that same level of 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:37.520 closeness with you know what effectively could be an authoritarian 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:41.920 regime where now, because of a recent Supreme Court decision, 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:44.600 the President of the United States is beyond the. 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:48.680 Law, Doctor Ama Shorts, Thank you so much for taking 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:49.520 the time to talk to us. 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:51.240 Pleasure, Thank you so much for having me. 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.800 Also in the news today, the Prime Minister Anthony Alberanezi 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:11.159 has congratulated newly elected British Prime Minister Kiir Starmer in 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:14.600 a phone call over the weekend. They reportedly discussed the economy, 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.920 climate change and UCAS and agreed to stay in close touch. 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.800 And Auntie Muriel Bamblet has been awarded Person of the 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.320 Year at the National Nightouck Awards. Auntie Muriel has been 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:28.679 the CEO of the Victorian Aboriginal Childcare Agency for twenty 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:32.480 five years and was recognized for her ongoing advocacy of 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:36.840 Aboriginal children and families. This is seven am. I'm Rick Morton. 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:39.160 See you tomorrow.