WEBVTT - Josh Fox On MAFS Funny Turning MAFS Serious 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:04.400 This episode contains discussion of suicide. If this raises any 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.320 issues for you, support is available through the links and 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:10.320 phone numbers in the show notes. This podcast was recorded 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:12.799 and produced on gadigal Land. We would like to acknowledge 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:16.320 the traditional custodians and payer respect to Elder's past and present. 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.760 Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention? This 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:23.239 is my final MATHS related interview? Are they talking about me? 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:27.560 She's like, yeah, it was Australia's reactions because a lot 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:31.160 of drama and they never got it. It just went nuts. 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:35.720 Hello and welcome back to back to reality. 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:40.120 I'm Selena and I'm Tany and today we have very money. 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:45.160 Yes, we have Josh Fox who runs the Mass Funny podcast. 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:47.320 We are so excited to chat with him today. 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:50.440 Hello, ladies, I'm welcome. 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.960 Welcome. This feels weird. How do slay if you're the 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:55.600 one being into interrogated? 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:59.040 Yeah, I feel it that uncomfortable because I'm you. When 0:00:59.080 --> 0:00:59.840 you were filming by. 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:02.640 The Street, well, I was trying to think of when 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:04.720 I met you, and I think I can't remember. 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:05.880 What it was, but you were showing me a photo 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:06.800 of Harry Styles or something. 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:08.920 I was walking with my husband from the show, and 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:11.200 you would I can't remember something something, and you were 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:13.240 like son at Harry Styles and I was like, I 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:15.640 like this guy. 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:16.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:17.440 Yeah one direction. 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:22.800 Well one of the reasons why I recognized Josh in 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:24.280 the first place. So I was a big one d 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:28.360 girly still am and I lived in the UK at 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:34.119 prime one direction time, and I stumbled across Josh's. 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:35.319 YouTube channel. 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:38.400 England. 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:41.360 I've been through the YouTube phase as well. But yeah, 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:43.399 that's how I remembered you. And you used to do 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:45.720 like a series where you'd like get a picture with 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:47.800 all like the you literally got a photo with every 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:49.640 single person I want to meet in my whole life, 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:52.000 and yeah, and then I saw you from there and 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.000 it was interesting then seeing you move to Australia and 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:57.600 your life how it transitioned from that to now also 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:01.280 running like the most successful maths like fan account like 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:05.160 little fans content. Quite the journey, Quite the journey. But yeah, 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:07.480 I'm very excited to have you on and discuss. 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:09.919 All that now. I find it fascinating how you were 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:13.080 always at every mass wedding location. 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:15.639 How do you find out where we are? 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:19.640 See? Everybody asked that and thinks I've got all these sauces. Yes, 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.520 but the real answer is quite boring. Oh, tell us, 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.919 every year the cruises use the same locations, so every 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:29.400 year we they's going to be end of July August. Okay, 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.000 wedding season. I go to the gym in the city, 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:33.840 and the amount of times I walk through the city 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.359 and see a limousine yes, and go, oh, it's a 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.400 Monday afternoon. Who's getting married? And then you see a 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:39.400 goal pro attach. 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:43.320 It's tough you did this because I think my husband 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:44.880 was the first one to be leaked. And it's good 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:46.320 I didn't have my phone at the time because they 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:48.880 took my phone off me. But you literally like, I'm 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:50.760 just walking down the street, there's a limousine. 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:52.160 Maybe this is maths. 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:54.840 And then you get the content of him walking out 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.120 of the hotel, and I remember the famous line was 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:58.640 like good luck, you're gonna eat it? 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:01.480 Yeah, and then used to shower you've ruined. 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.240 Which I didn't even use anyway, Well, he wasn't was. 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.120 Walking down the street. And then that did millions of 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:08.760 views because everyone was laughing at the producer. 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:10.920 Yeah, no, that was like one of that was I 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:13.400 really like, I feel like things really like skyrocketed from 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:18.120 there because that was like super super viral, and we're like, oh, 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.520 this is this is where it begins because we obviously 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.079 you have an idea of going into maths what it's 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.720 going to be like, and I think you know, Josh 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.320 and like Ali, you guys add to that because it's 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:31.000 like you're coming you're coming up to us, you're taking 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:32.840 content and it's like, oh, Okay, this is what it's 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.200 going to be like. Which it's not like that forever, 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:38.400 but it's yeah, it's an interesting taste because you're like, oh, 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:39.160 this is like. 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:42.200 No, I'm not used to this. It's quite intense. When 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:43.480 when did you guys first meet? 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:47.800 We went way after like our season aired. 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:49.840 Because I don't think I seen you much during filming. 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:52.600 Yeah, because ours was shot in COVID, So that's why 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:57.240 I don't our weddings and our wedding was out in 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:57.880 Woop woop. 0:03:57.920 --> 0:03:59.360 Anyway, I'm not. 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:00.880 Troubling far yeah exactly. 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.680 Yeah, in the City. 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:03.520 Fair that's fair. 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:05.920 So what you literally just follow us like you just 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:07.880 see the limo at the front of sky Squeeze. 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.360 You're like, oh, yeah, could you like this this past season? 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:14.080 Elliott and Lauren's wedding. Yes, that was at the State Fater. Yes. 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:16.400 I'd been on a date in the city, a first date. 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.680 We were walking through going to another bar. I said 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:21.679 to the guy, do you mind if we just followed 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:23.680 this limit for five minutes? I was like, I'll tell 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:24.279 you in a minute. 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:25.520 Stop now. 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:27.920 Then it says like Elliott and Lauren in the lights. 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:30.200 I'm like, obviously, so whether I see some of the 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:32.920 crew recognize, then I have to quickly explain to this 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.360 guy who's never watched married at first what we're doing. 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:37.640 Then he agrees to sim am and I said it 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:39.440 will be five, ten minutes, an hour and a half. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.480 And then as Elliott and Lauren started to come out, 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:44.640 I said, do you mind this filming me? I am 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:46.160 second date? 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:53.800 Oh he's lost. Video went d you gotta look at 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:55.280 this silper lining of it. 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:58.760 I do wonder because you said to Elliott, like, you know, 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:02.719 because Lauren was Matt Well she was with John O originally, Yes, 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:04.800 and you said what did you say to him? 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:07.720 I said, you're much better looking than her ext John 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:11.560 from last season, and he looked very confused. Producers gave 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:15.320 me the dirtiest scene and then I planted that seat 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.280 of doubt from the very first night and then two 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:18.800 days later. 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.440 Anyway, Yeah, yeah, because you've had like that's like I 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:25.240 feel like you've had roles in some of the storylines, 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:26.880 and like I feel like there's been some shots. 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:27.680 Of you like him like that. 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:31.880 I've been on every season. Literally he's following a car. 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:35.080 It's like the funniest thing out of I guess all 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:38.800 your time working like across the show, what's been like 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:40.600 the funniest thing that you've had involvement in? 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.320 My favorite bit was do you remember the Grand reunion 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:44.080 a few years ago? 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:46.159 Yes? Can they do that again? 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:46.560 Like that? 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.640 Like the last three seasons had been pretty hectic. Where's 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:51.320 the grand reunion? 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:56.360 Probably the Nasa who obviously everyone dislikes, but everyone was 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.159 speaking to me before, like I had like Jess Power, 0:05:58.200 --> 0:05:59.680 should have do it. Everyone's saying should have do it 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:00.880 as if the more reason. 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:01.200 Yeah. 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:02.760 Then I was like, yeah, go da it. But then 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:04.760 Nassa really didn't want to. He was gonna pull out. 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:06.400 Then I was like, oh, you kind of have to 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:09.440 because you're like the instigator. Yeah, and then he's like 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:11.080 everyone's just gonna have a go at me. So I 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.240 said the second that happens, because we all know it's 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:15.440 going to happen at some point in that dinner when 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:19.279 the old stand up against you, throw someone on the floor, 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:22.080 stand up and storm out. And in his pocket he 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.880 had a script that I printed for him. And then 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:27.359 you'll recall a shot I've been running down the hallway 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.240 and he says something like I'm too famous for this. 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:32.760 I don't need this. I'm the Princess Diana of Maths 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:38.880 and the people's celebrity. That was word for word. And 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.360 then when he left, then Ali picked him up and 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:43.080 then phone me from the car like I did it. 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:43.840 I did the script. 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.200 He is such an interesting character, that guy. 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:47.640 He is. 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.000 So I don't know, I don't know. Maybe this was 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:51.200 you that leaks information. 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:55.640 But I remember we were filming, like I think it 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:57.920 was like final dates. No, it was homestays and we're 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:02.560 in BONDI and we'll feel being at wayfair wayf. 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:07.920 YESO message me that day there's a new maths couple. 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:10.080 Because he just goes around moder day he spotted you. 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:11.480 Then I popped over and just missed you. 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.600 Yeah, he was literally like and being so weird and 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:16.560 like getting photos of us in the background then posted 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.960 it to like Maths Uncensored. I'm like, dude, ruining storylines 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.000 as per but it was so funny. I was like, 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:25.640 how do like people know information? I always like wonder, 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:27.920 like what is going on? But that and then we like, 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:29.960 I think we just missed you at that time when 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:33.120 we're trying to be like not talk to media and 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.400 like anyone, there's like I feel like there's a phase 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:37.760 you go through in Maths and you obviously experience this 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:40.760 like knowing the cast where you just like get ignored 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:43.440 by people because you're being told not to like speak, 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:46.400 and then like kind of breaking the walls down. 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.760 So detrimental to the cast because those first videos are 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:51.840 the first time the public meet any of you. And 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:54.680 my video is millions of views and then everyone just 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:58.360 looks rude because I'm just like, hey, experiment and like 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.640 and then the fans, who do these people think there are? 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.480 And then and it's valid, yeah, because it's it is valid. 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:06.040 Like I look back and it's like, oh, like that 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:08.640 does look bad, But then knowing what you've been told, 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:10.440 it's like, oh, I get what they're trying to do. 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:12.640 Fans don't realize is at the start of the season, 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.120 you're kind of told stay away from Josh, stay away from. 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:18.320 Ali specifically by name, yes. 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.040 The Josh meeting. But I get that. But I think 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:23.320 it's because over time you realize we're not the enemy. 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:25.440 We kind of do have your best interest. We have 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:27.800 a job to do. But I've never wanted to screw 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.200 you guys over like, ultimately, I just want content and. 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:33.280 Then yeah, yeah, yeah, they want content and just. 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:36.000 But then it takes you, guys until the end of 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:38.000 the season maybe to realize that. And by that point 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:40.160 I ten videos of you are ignoring me looking rude. 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:41.520 Yeah. 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:45.480 Speaking of content, you run the Mass Funny page, and 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.199 then you also have the podcast for that as well. Yes, 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:50.400 how has the response been with that? 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.400 The podcast has been great? Yea, I wish did it sooner. 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:54.880 Yeah, well done. 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:58.400 Yeah, I think because I've worked on Kyl and Jackie 0:08:58.400 --> 0:08:59.559 Oh the last couple of years, so I kind of 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:02.800 got into radio and broadcast and then I left over 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:04.599 Christmas and then I was like, oh, I should do 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.360 a podcast now, and then I just I think I 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:09.280 decided to do it like a week before I think 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:11.360 nothing would come of it, and then like within a week, 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:15.120 like three hundred thousand views listens. Wow, this is like 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:15.679 a job now. 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.400 Yeah, No, it takes on a different approach because I 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:21.040 think there's a lot of stuff out there around Maps, 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.400 specifically this year, Like it's really triggered a lot of 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:27.320 conversations and good and bad ones, I would say, And 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:29.520 I think the format works quite nicely because it's still 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:31.840 bringing that humor. But then you've also taken on the 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:32.719 more maps. 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:35.160 Serious math serious where you're. 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:39.600 Kind of looking more into the production, the kind of effects, 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.360 after effects and during effects it's had on cast talk 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:47.120 us through I guess thoughts on that transition and kind 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.720 of what I guess triggered you to take that angle, 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.880 whereas it's always been like really lighthearted and funny, which 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:55.040 we all love. But I think people are still enjoying 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:56.560 this side as well. 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:58.800 You know what I think it is. I think every 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:02.080 year Channel nine love to create villains. They love us 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:04.640 as the media to go after them, chase them down videos, 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:09.280 shouting questions because they it's a pantomime. And as bad 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:11.800 as this is to say, those villains are so disposable, 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.040 I imagine you two, to an extent extent, felt disposable to 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.320 Channel nine because once it ends like Okay, goodbye cast, 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:21.760 new season. So then I thought this year, well, I 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:23.920 could do that again. And I've done it to an extent. 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:26.439 You know, I'm still covering the storylines. But let's look 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.240 at the bigger picture. And when we talk about stars 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.200 of this show, who's the biggest one? John Aken ten seasons. 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:36.560 He's been there since day one, literally every single episode one. Yeah, 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:41.800 he was the judge to remain, I said, judge, but 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:45.280 he's been there since season one. Yeah. Wow. So then 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:47.120 that I did that video where I thought, well, I 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.920 should ask him questions does he feel ethically and morally compromised? 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:54.000 Which I thought was reasonable. And do you remember was 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:55.640 doctor Trisha? Was she your seasons? 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:56.120 No? 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:59.280 She was, I think a couple quite a few people 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:00.920 actually yeah. 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.720 Because oh yeah, her last one was season seven. But 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:05.280 when she left channel and I put out a pressure 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.839 really saying, you know, she's going to focus on the 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.120 writing and studies. And then a week later she did 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:13.040 a radio interview going no, it's because I felt ethically compromised. 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:15.360 I couldn't do this anymore. I didn't agree with what 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:17.640 was happening, I didn't agree with how it changed. So 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:19.640 then I started to wonder the last few months, well, 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.560 John and Mele have stayed all these years since then 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:25.160 she was their colleague, they had the same job, so 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.440 do they feel the same. And then God for Video 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:29.000 asked that to John Aikin and he'll send you a 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:34.080 legal I thought it was channel of John said he 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:38.600 felt threatened intimidated for his safety, which is crazy when 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:40.839 you want to viso. He's laughing at me and. 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:44.800 It's funny. I actually thought it was like funny. 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.120 And it's also like I feel really conflicted, and I 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:49.559 feel like I've always had like an unpopular opinion of 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:53.160 I just don't have this like strong feeling towards the 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.720 experts because I think they're like they're the one the 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:58.520 four guys, right, Whereas I think, and it's it's clear 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:02.800 in the contract as well, the expert whatever specialist services 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:05.520 giving is not like it's it's entertainment purposes, right, It's 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.160 not what you would go see a normal psychologist or 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:13.440 a normal whatever sexologist. I imagine you wouldn't have those conversations, 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:16.680 and you wouldn't have you'd probably given actual advice and 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:20.280 probably having a different experience. So I think obviously that's 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.400 not the viewers don't know that they're assuming that this 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:24.920 is what it's like when therapy is actually not like that, 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:27.840 and when you're going to these psychology services, it's a 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:30.559 very different experience. So I think for me, I'm sure 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:33.439 their professional services with their private clients would be very 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:34.880 different to the experience. 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:38.000 Where do they have private clients? Because who would maybe 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:41.280 who would pay for John to help your relationship. That's 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:43.080 why I said to him, do you and your wife 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:45.319 follow these things that he goes to spend a few 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:47.000 days in mate with someone else? Yeah? 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.760 No, I just don't understand that the justification, because what's 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:53.640 the justification. It's feedback week, right, the spending time with 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.200 someone else, that's how they picture it. 0:12:56.280 --> 0:13:00.000 Is that really, let's just call it, what is it? Strama? 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.760 It's TV like the speaking of that temptation week this week? 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:07.320 Yeah, crazy, the whole going on other dates. See I 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.400 like that because it's like, yeah, okay, temptation that is. 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.160 I can see why where that would take place in 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:15.440 the real world. I think that's probably better than the 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:20.400 whole feedback staying with another person. I think I've messed 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:22.880 up to have it just before final vowels. But that's 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:26.040 drama like I'm about it, I'm about. 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:28.080 It, But then how do you go against the premise 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:32.319 of the show. How can they still They've got these 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:35.199 couples have finally made it to the end inside and 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:38.079 then they go, no, here you go, yeah, here's a backup. 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:39.000 Yeah. 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:43.000 I personally like the old mass format. I just think 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:46.000 that they've pushed it too far the last couple of years. 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:47.720 Well, that's so I think, And that kind of correlates 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:51.679 with Trish leaving because I think from that time the 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:55.240 show change, the format changed, it became really more dramatic 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.520 and I had those like really like punchy storylines. 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:02.040 It's really like hectic stuff. And it was really when 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:02.600 she left. 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.600 I think if long term viewers of the show will notice, 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.199 and my researchers are showing this, it was season seven 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:13.199 where everything changed. Season that again, that was Hayley Vernon's. 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:14.240 Yes and brush there. 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:17.200 Yeah. Remember the year before they I think it was 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:20.920 so big with ess power in us my first and 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:22.640 then it got to season seven and they're like, how 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.560 can we up beat that? And then they didn't and 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:28.160 it just went to a new extreme where most of 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.760 the cast who have suffered like mentally all come from 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:32.400 season seven. 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:36.920 Yeah, it's really interesting because I feel like every year 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.400 I'm like, well, even my experience because I'm like, oh, 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.120 this is crazy, Like it's not getting any more intense 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:43.280 than it's like, nothing's beating this. 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:44.920 The next year it does like it. 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:46.880 Progressively getting worse and worse, and where's and where's the 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:48.880 line going to be drawn? Like what's going to happen next? 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:50.200 We're so far past. 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:51.360 Where is it? 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:53.720 Like where like where where does it go from here? 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:57.240 Like we're going to tackle things like DV not really 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:00.920 address it properly, which I think it's hard because I 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:04.720 feel like these topics are very important to be showcasing 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.720 and discussing properly. For example, any of you guys have 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:11.360 seen like Adolescents the new Netflix series Beautiful Beautiful, like 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:15.200 horrible to watch, but really unpacks like that topic very 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:18.200 well and shows it in like a distressing light. But 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:21.560 it's like talking about a wide issue and unpacking it, 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:24.440 Whereas I feel like topics this year have been missed 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:29.400 opportunities like the Jake like racist comments, they're punching the wall. 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.320 These are stuff that I feel like in Australian society 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:35.400 would be really impactful. To like just just dive into 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.760 it a bit more like these things happen, Okay, we're 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:38.520 going to get him some help. 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:40.400 What does that look like? Like, what are we doing here. 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.160 With the punch? They had such an opportunity to educate, 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.360 not just Australia because this show's international totally and they 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:49.200 didn't and like they say, we stopped drinking. He went 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.640 to therapy. The next episode he was on holiday and 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.480 Byron Bay with everyone like there was no punishment. Yeah, 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:56.360 like to me. I spoke to Eliot about this, and 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:59.040 Elliott says he thinks they did the right thing by 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:01.160 keeping him on the show, because if they kicked him off, 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:03.160 him and Karina were still together. They would have gone 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:05.560 back to bath together as a couple and there's no 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:08.600 one there watching out for her, which I kind of 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:10.320 get to an extent, But they should have made a 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:15.240 real example, shown the therapy, shown them couples, shown that journey. 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:17.280 I would have loved to see that like that. 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:19.320 If this does happen to you, let's not just like 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.520 rite off people like I'm not making any excuses of behavior. 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.720 It's unacceptable, but okay, if that happens, Okay, it's the 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:27.680 first time he's ever done it, what do you do? Like, 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.680 if I'm watching it and like my boyfriend's done that, 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:32.400 what can I be like, Hey, can we get you 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:36.040 into this treatment or this service like that? That's the 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.720 missed opportunity because yeah, like there's probably women out there 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:40.080 sitting there watching it that's happened to them. 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:44.200 They're like, fuck, okay, So it's just that's men. 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:48.720 Who have done that, and they'll see that exactly exactly right, 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:51.800 and that's the issue. 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:52.680 Bad. 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.440 Do you think with everything that's happened, there will ever 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.760 be an to maths or do you think it just 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:04.720 breaks in so many clicks and views and money that 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:06.520 it's like it's just gonna keep going. 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:08.560 I don't think it will ever rando until the viewers 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:09.280 stop watching it. 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:14.800 Yeah. I feel like we've seen, like in the UK specifically, 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.320 a lot of people and their lives through experiences on 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:20.280 reality TV, like so many just from the Love Island 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:21.840 franchise alone, and that. 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:23.000 You'd hate for this to happen. 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:25.760 But I feel like it takes something really serious like 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:29.359 that to happen to evoke any sort of change because 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:32.239 at the moment, people are obviously on online saying how 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:34.760 poorly the treatment is saying that their lives are being 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:40.159 there over whatever, but no one really cares, right Like, 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:42.000 it's like, what what does it take? And this is 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:44.560 where I'm like, where does it end? Where where's the 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:46.120 line which we've crossed so. 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.720 Far with my podcast the Investigation, And people keep saying, 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.040