WEBVTT - 'I have eyes, but I don't see': The community groups helping refugees settle 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:05.480 It's Sydney Airport on a Muggie November night. The arrivals 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:06.240 hall is packed. 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:09.760 Could I ask you, actually, what do you know about 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:11.320 this family that are arriving? 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:13.800 Not too much, not too much, so I think they 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:17.000 keep so many things confidential that this family comes. 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:20.400 Producer Shane Anderson is with a group who have traveled 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:23.720 in from Sydney's Northern Beaches. The family they're waiting for 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:25.240 has traveled much further. 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:30.440 There are city and family. They were living in an 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:34.959 account for ten years and we did foundraising for them 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:37.080 before they came here, and we are coming. 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:37.760 Here to I con them. 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:40.479 A little girl holds up a post as she made. 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:45.720 So that's the lot more open to Australia. And that's 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:51.080 in their language and those there's some Australian animals. That's 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:55.160 in flat and that's the world that that's aheadshot. 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:58.840 As visitors streamed through the gates, they spot a family 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:07.959 looking a little lost. Turns out to be a false alarm. 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:15.440 When they finally arrive, it's close to midnight. They've been 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:23.000 waiting for over three hours. The names are Alan Zabier, 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:27.319 Al Muhammad and Narriman Sulfate and Al Yusuf along with 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.320 their two boys, Muhammed and Mammo, and their daughter Heavy. 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:34.960 They are from this moment on permanent residents of Australia 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.520 and the welcome party have a job to do. Over 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:41.440 the next twelve months. These volunteers are tasked with helping 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:44.119 the family find their feet as they settle into their 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:51.120 new world. That was nearly two years ago. From Schwartz Media, 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:59.520 I'm Daniel James. This is seven AM. For decades now, 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:04.040 Australia policies towards refugees has been marked by cruelty, detention 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:08.360 and punishment. So when CRISP, the Community Refugee Integration and 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:11.600 Settlement Pilot, started in twenty twenty two, it was seen 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.919 as a turning point. Based on a model used in Canada. 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:18.639 Under CRISP beats the community rather than the state, who 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:22.920 worked as support services for new arrivals assigned to the program. 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:26.400 In many ways, CRISP is an experiment. The team behind 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.120 the pilot had until twenty twenty six to resettle fifteen 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:33.160 hundred refugees, and in doing so, they're out to prove 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:37.280 that Australia wants and can support a more humane approach 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:42.440 to settlement than our politics suggest Today producer Shane Anderson 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:48.240 on two years of CRISP and whether the experiment is working. 0:02:51.120 --> 0:03:03.400 It's Friday August two. Shan, you first met the al 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.480 Muhammed family two years ago when they arrived in Australia 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.840 for the first time. Tell me about their journey through CRISP. 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.320 Yeah, So the al Muhammed family were the third batch 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:17.200 of arrivals under CRISP. And basically to get into the program, 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:20.760 you get recommended by the UNHCR and then you get 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:24.240 matched with a sponsoring group, which in this case was 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:28.320 a sprawling network of volunteers from Sydney's northern beaches. They 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:31.919 call themselves the Manly G's after Manly, one of the 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:35.840 beachside suburbs. And so the manly Gs go through training 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.680 and preparation and then they're required to commit to twelve 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:43.760 months of support. They're responsible for putting the family up 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.080 until they can find a long term place to live, 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.640 helping to buy essentials until they can get income support 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:53.440 from Centerlink. Kind of like anything and everything a new 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:59.080 arrival needs to start their new life. So I next 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:02.960 saw the family a few months later on jan twenty six, 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:06.480 when I was very graciously invited along to a barbecue 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:09.560 in Manly, right. 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.400 I've met you before, how are you. 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.000 I was really curious to see how the family was 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.320 settling in. But at the same time, crisp is about 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.599 more than settling. It's also about integration. So I was 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:24.120 keen to see for myself what that actually means and 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:28.200 what it looks like. So I went along to the barbecue. 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:30.800 It was in a house owned by a young family. 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:33.479 It had a big backyard, a pool, and it had 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:36.320 a granny flat which was where Narraman, Allen and the 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:37.520 kids had been staying. 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:42.119 Okay, so this is barbecue Syrian style, so the Gafts 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:45.560 barbecue has been found warm. 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.840 A good chunk of the many geese were at this barbecue. 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:51.640 But I also noticed that outside of the family, there 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:56.000 weren't any Arabic or Kurdish speakers there. They were talking 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:58.680 to each other through this app where you speak in 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:02.599 English and it's bits out Arabic and vice versa. It 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:06.280 had varying degrees of accuracy, which I learned when Narraman 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:07.960 and I sat down and tried it out. 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:10.240 This well, that one's Batic. 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:15.679 It's very nice to meet, Thank you us me nasty 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:18.200 Vikim excellent okay, So. 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.240 There was an obvious language Sparrey, you were speaking through 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.800 an app the spot that what did you learn about 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:24.240 the family? 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:26.240 Yeah, in spite of the language barrier, it was a 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:29.719 very warm conversation and I asked her, you know, now 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.680 she'd arrived in Australia, what her hopes were for her 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:35.400 and her kids. 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:39.160 At the manor anyodrosu Ouladi maderes let you kuntu at. 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:41.800 She told me that, you know, she just wanted her 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.560 kids to study and do well in school and for 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:48.560 Alan to find a job. I also learned that Naraman 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.800 herself is a teacher and that one of her big 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:56.360 goals in Australia was that she really wanted to improve 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.320 her English so that she could get her teaching qualification 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:03.880 here and become a teacher again. So even though conversation 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:06.440 was a little bit stilted, there still was a lot 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:09.680 of communication happening. But it was happening through the food. 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:14.679 So Narriman and Alan had prepared a banquet of foods 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.320 that was enough to feed the twenty plus people that 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:19.919 were there, and she went out of her way to 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:27.400 make sure I took some home with me. Are you 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:29.960 sure sure some of it for. 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:37.640 You food the greatest barrier breaker of all. So it 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:40.599 sounds like things were good from their perspective. What about 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.080 the mainly ges, their sponsors, How are they feeling? 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.400 Yeah, So I had a chat to to hear who 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.560 I met at the airport, and she told me about 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:51.599 some of the kind of fun stuff of the first 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:52.200 few weeks. 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:55.480 We took them to Christmas Carols at the beach, which 0:06:55.560 --> 0:07:00.120 was an experience, and they found Santa hilarious. 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.159 She told me what it was like for her to 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:05.119 watch the kids witness Santa Claus for the first time, 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:07.000 which I imagine would be quite a trip. 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.520 He's like this big guy in a suit with a 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:13.160 white beard, like on stage, yelling at kids like whoa, 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:15.640 and they were like, what is going on? 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:20.200 But the other side of crisp is that it's also 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:24.960 the sponsor group's responsibility to navigate all of the things 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:28.600 that a case worker would normally navigate to help a 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:31.840 family settle in. And one of the manly g sponsors, 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:35.280 his name's Paul Hobkirk. He explained to me that there 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.480 were some things that they really struggled with. 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:41.840 Sometimes the bureaucracy just seems just so needlessly complicated you 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:45.440 hit these computer says no moments and you just have 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:49.080 to work around and figure it out. 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:52.520 And the big challenge for him was simply dealing with Centerlink. 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.880 I think none of us had had terribly much interaction 0:07:57.120 --> 0:08:01.280 with the support services, so that was a journey for 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:02.120 us as well. 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:04.320 All of that took a lot of time as well. 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.520 So Paul estimates that it was about ten to fifteen 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:10.520 hours a week that the group was spending helping Narraman 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:14.040 and Allen. And of course, especially in an area like Manly, 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:17.280 another advantage of that is you get access to a 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:21.520 wide network in one of the more affluent areas of Sydney. 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:24.400 So they were able to get a lot of stuff 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:27.880 donated for free. The granny flat, all the furniture in it, 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.960 they had pro bono dental. They even had a car 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:32.720 gifted by an extended supporter. 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.520 So they're getting a tremendous amount of support. They tapped 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:39.160 into some really well connected networks. They're living in a 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:42.040 wealthy community, but on the other hand, that's an expensive 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:43.000 community as well. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:46.920 Right, Yeah, and that is the reality of living in 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.640 those parts of Sydney. And I didn't actually know this 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:53.079 before the barbecue, but Narraman and Allen had already made 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:54.280 plans to leave Manly. 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.120 Why is that? Was it cost of living pressures, feeling 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:00.760 more connected to a community elsewhere? Why did they decide 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:01.560 to leave Manly? 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.160 Yeah, I mean it was partly the cost of living pressures. 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:07.040 But they found a place to live in a suburb 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:10.640 in Western Sydney, about an hour's drive away from Manly, 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:13.520 and you know, on a surface level, it offered a 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:16.480 lot of things to them that Manly didn't, primarily an 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.760 Arabic and Kurdish speaking community. You know, the kids were 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.720 in school in the Northern Beaches where they were the 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.280 only kids in their class who spoke the same first 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:28.440 languages as them, And the manly Ges told me that 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:32.280 they'd had trouble finding Hellual meat, for example. So Western 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:33.840 Sydney offered those things. 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.800 The house that are getting it's so good for the 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.040 same price as what you probably get like a two 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.959 bedroom apartment here, So yeah, it kind of makes sense. 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.120 The manly Ges were really supportive of the move, and 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.800 they were really excited. They were really stoked to see 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.880 how independent and empowered the family felt to make these 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:56.400 decisions for themselves so early. But there was a little 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:59.559 undercurrent of other emotions. 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.200 As well, be like and I think it's going to 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:04.000 completely change the dynamic because we won't be able to 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:06.640 see them as much and help them as much. But 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:11.280 they're going to have a much stronger like Arabic community 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:14.600 around them who will probably take over those roles anyway. 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.959 But yeah, So after. 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.640 Everyone had eaten, they all gathered around to take a 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:21.320 group photo. 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:25.280 I need you're in a bit closer. 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.880 And while all of that was happening at the individual 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:33.840 level with the ol Muhammad family and the Manly Gees, 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:38.760 as the CRISP trial progressed, there were obstacles starting to 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:40.920 emerge at the political level too. 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:52.080 Just so, what are the obstacles to the CRISP trial success. 0:10:53.320 --> 0:11:05.880 That's after the break, Shane, it'sween twos of CRISP. We're 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:09.280 about halfway through the pilot. How's it going? Is it 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:10.400 working well? 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:12.440 We actually do have a bit of data on how 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:16.280 CRISP was doing. The University of Queensland were funded to 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:20.440 study the outcomes for people in CRISP. So while CHRISP 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:24.760 participants hit all the same milestones as people settled by 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:27.480 the state, there's a little bit of data emerging to 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.480 show that, you know, they find work a little bit faster, 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.840 and they generally have a stronger sense of belonging and 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:37.400 community participation. But I do think there are some interesting 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:41.360 questions around the way CRISP was designed. I spoke to 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:45.000 refugee policy experts and advocates, and I found that while 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:49.600 everyone was really supportive of CRISP and the ideas driving it, 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:53.200 and really kind of any refugee policy that treats people 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:58.120 as humans, some advocates also felt a bit ambivalent. And 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:02.240 the reason for that is something called additionality, which, if 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:06.320 you look at the model for community sponsorship overseas, every 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.880 person who is settled by the community is an addition 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:14.480 to the government's own humanitarian quota. However, when the Morrison 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.880 government adopted the program back in twenty twenty one, they 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:21.520 decided to change this. So basically, for every person the 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.600 community settles, it's one less that the government has to 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.640 and so as a result, experts are cynical, not so 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:32.120 much about CRISP itself, but the government decision surrounding it, 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:35.920 and they question whether CRISP is a cost shifting activity. 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.600 Is I I'm Lisa Button, I'm the CEO of Community 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.880 refugee sponsorship Australia. So when I spoke to Lisa Button, 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:45.040 who runs CRISP, I asked her about this. You know, 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:47.720 it is very easy to be cynical about things, but 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:51.800 I would remind people that the Avin Easy government did 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:55.400 lift the refugee intake from thirteen thousand, seven fifty to 0:12:55.640 --> 0:13:00.200 twenty thousand places last year, so we're not seeing a 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:04.440 retreat in government commitment to refugees. We've actually seen government 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:06.800 government's putting more in as well. 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:10.200 Lisa said that they still aspire for CRISP to be 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:14.520 additional and this matches Labour's own promises. But if we 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.520 fast forward the clock, it's been two years and this 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:21.959 still hasn't happened. The next big question is around whether 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:25.520 CRISP can reach their goals. I mean, currently the pilot 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.520 is funded to mid twenty twenty six and they have 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:32.840 this goal of resettling fifteen hundred refugees. At the moment, 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:36.760 we're halfway through the pilot and they say around five 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:40.480 hundred refugees have been settled. So the reality is that 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.120 they need a lot more sponsor groups to volunteer for 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:45.360 the program. But then you can see how things like 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:47.160 cost of living might get in the way of that. 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.720 When you combine these criticisms and you look at the 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:55.040 photo opposite the then Minister of Immigration attended alongside CRISP refugees, 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:57.760 and if you zoom out and look at the hardline 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:01.679 policies like Operation Sovereign Borders and offshot Attention that are 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:05.360 still being pursued by Labor, I think it's fair to 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:10.480 question where CRISP sits in that whole landscape. But there 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:12.920 is a whole other way of looking at CRISP, which 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:14.440 Lisa Button explained to me. 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:17.760 I like to think that in the longer term, programs 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:21.880 like the CRISP will take some of that toxicity out 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:27.400 of debates around refugee numbers and have refugees seen and 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:33.440 understood as not a burden but in fact a huge 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:34.880 asset to Australia. 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.480 So the family is now established in Western Sydney. How 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.000 are they going? Are they still in touch with the 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:40.640 manly ges? 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.560 Yeah? So I visited them a few weeks ago in July, 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:46.400 and they've been living in Western Sydney for nearly a 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:48.840 year and a half at that point. When I visited, 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:53.000 Norman pulled out this huge laptop bag that was filled 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:54.600 with folders and forms. 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:56.200 Can you tell me what's in here? 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:02.400 This bag all that for Australia? 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:04.040 Good much. 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:07.400 Much email? Too much message. 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:11.720 Basically, this bag comprised of their administrative life in Australia 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:13.520 to that point, and it was a heavy bag. 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:15.200 Sorry, it's okay. 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:16.320 You can go to the GP and get them to 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:19.080 fill okay, and then if you email that to me. 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:22.400 I visited that day along with one of the mainly g's. 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:26.080 Her name is Beck and she still dropped by regularly, 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.520 and this time she'd come over to help with some 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:29.440 medical paperwork. 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:33.320 Yes, so if you not that one for me. 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.200 But not all the mainly g's were able to make 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.280 the journey out. The requirements of crisps say that the 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.360 sponsor group has to help for twelve months. At this point, 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:46.920 we were out twenty months since their arrival, so it's 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:50.600 pretty incredible to see that they were still in contact 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:55.400 and still helping. Norman's English had improved a lot, although 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.680 she wasn't quite ready to do her qualifications yet, but 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:00.520 you could see that all the kids picked up the 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:04.480 language really fast. Their eldest son was preparing to do 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:08.000 his school certificate exams in English and I asked him 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:11.160 what his favorite subject was, and he said it was English. 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:13.720 So what did Merriman and Alan have to say about 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:16.240 their experiences of the Crisp overall. 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:17.320 Really positive things? 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:17.600 You know? 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:20.960 She said that when you come to a new country, 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:24.480 it's really hard. She described it as you have eyes, 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:25.760 but you can't see. 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:32.560 When you come new country, it's very hard, very bad, 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:38.880 very sad. No family, no language, not anything. I have eyes, 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:40.840 but I don't see. 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:44.800 She really felt that CRISP gave her an immediate sense 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:48.680 of belonging in friendship that she just wouldn't have had otherwise. 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:52.960 Narriman told me about when one of them intervened when 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:54.920 one of their kids was having an issue at school 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:59.560 and actually called the school and advocated on their behalf. Also, 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:01.280 when one of them had to go to hospital with 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:04.000 ear pain, one of the sponsors sat with her in 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:06.280 the waiting room all day. I mean, those are the 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:11.080 kinds of things that you don't forget. I point out 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:14.840 as well that when you're sitting in Norraman's living room 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:18.280 and you're looking around at the house and the life 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.720 that they've built for each other, I have to admit 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:22.760 a lot of your cynicism does start to kind of 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:26.199 melt away when I ask Narraman why she thinks the 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.400 manly ges go out of their way to help her. 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:35.119 Because good, because the nice people, because the heart very clean. 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.000 She reached across the table and held Beck's hand and 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:41.960 they both began to tear up. It was a very 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:42.919 emotional moment. 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:45.720 Thank you. 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:49.760 And Norman told me that, you know, in spite of 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.840 their choices to leave, they they did love Manly. 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:56.840 I love money, I love I love, I love every day. 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:01.280 I'm so which She said that whenever she is driving 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:04.280 around in a car and she catches the scent of 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:07.000 the ocean air, she thinks about Manly. 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:12.120 I hope every refugees coming to Australia is monadistic. 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:15.160 Shane, thanks for your time. 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:16.359 Thank you. 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.520 Read more of this report in tomorrow's edition of the 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:37.920 Saturday Paper. 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