1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: He thrilled to be chatting about John Martin's and if 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: you've got any memories you want to share, but do 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: that because I'm with Paul Flavel, who has written a book, 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: John Martin's, The Story of South Australia's beloved department Store. 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: It's not a small book either, and I've been browsing 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: through it with Paul, chatting about the photos. Absolutely crammed 7 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: with photos. We'll talk about where he got them from. 8 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: The book has been launched today formerly launched today down 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: at Glanville House in Glanville, just off sort of inside 10 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: the corner of Bower Road and Military Road where the 11 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: golf courses, the Path three. You can't miss it. Just 12 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: look it up on a map. You might have the book. 13 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: I'm not sure we'll find out. Paul, Good morning to you, welcome. 14 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: Along, Thank you, thanks for having me. 15 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: Why the book? Why did you feel it was so 16 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: important to write a book about Johnny's? Do you know? 17 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: It's the look you get in Adelaide when you mentioned 18 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: John Martin anyone usually over thirty five, that look of 19 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: nostalgia and instant memories. I had to capture that and 20 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: put into a book before it was too late. 21 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: Okay, And like I say, a big book. I don't 22 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: know how many pages it is, but absolutely loaded. So 23 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: in terms of memories everything from its commencement to sadly 24 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: towards the end Johnny's been torn down to make way 25 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: for the store that's there. Now, why is it so 26 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: special to South Australians. 27 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 2: John Martin's, you know, from the very beginning loved South Australia. 28 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: They were so devoted to South Australia. They wanted the 29 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 2: state to be successful. And it was a very rare 30 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: example of a business being so ingrained in the community. 31 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: And it did a lot of work for charities and 32 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 2: through the Hayward family, but it did it very privately 33 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: and of course on a more public scale the Christmas 34 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 2: Pageant and the Magic Cave. People were loyal back to 35 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: it as it was to South Australia. 36 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's key, isn't it. I think the pageant played 37 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: a big role in that. I mean, what a marketing 38 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: master stroke that turned out to be, even though it 39 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: probably wasn't the thought originally. 40 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: Well it was about you know, it was a great 41 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,919 Speaker 2: depression when it started, and it was a wait for Sarah, 42 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: but Hayward to reconnize that the state needed lifting up 43 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: in the hard times, and it was their way of 44 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: giving back during Christmas. But of course it grew and 45 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: grew until its you know, even today it's one hundreds 46 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 2: of thousands of people lining the streets and that's wonderful. 47 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, the photos are in credib I don't know. 48 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: You'd know how many photos are in here. 49 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: They'd be hundreds, there would be I would say two 50 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: to three hundred photos from the very beginning as much 51 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 2: as possible till the very end. 52 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: And where did you source them all? Because you know, 53 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: you wouldn't have had this in your collection. You would 54 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: have been I imagine long hours crawling through all sorts 55 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: of places to get it. 56 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know that? That's actually the funny thing. 57 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: As much as John Martin's is really loved and known 58 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: in the community, it's actually very hard to research the business. Really, 59 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: that was one of the hardest things from the beginning. 60 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 2: So for the last thirty years, the archive in the 61 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: State Library has housed the business records, so I access 62 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 2: those with permission from David Jones, and that's where most 63 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: of the photos are. But also the staff themselves had 64 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: photo albums and things like that. But keep in mind, 65 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: this is before we had iPhones. We took photos and everything, 66 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 2: so it was often difficult to kind of match the 67 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: memories people had with a photo. 68 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: Why did you need permission of David Jones? Do they 69 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: still have the ownership of the name. 70 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 2: So they very much do. So a lot of old 71 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: businesses like John Martin's, their IP and their ABN and 72 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 2: things like that, are still owned by their parent company, 73 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: and in this instance it is still still owned. The 74 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: business records themselves have been sealed in the archive, and 75 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: I actually put it off for many years during the 76 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: journey before seeking permission because I didn't want to hear 77 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 2: no and my priority really was to get out there 78 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: and meet the people that were Johnny's rather than wait 79 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: for the archive. 80 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: So you have spoken with a lot of staff who 81 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: worked there, and obviously their memories only go back to 82 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: what probably the nineting fifties or so, so. 83 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: You'd be really surprised. There's one lady coming to the 84 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: book launch today. She remembers the Second World War ending 85 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: John Martin's. She worked, and she had the sewing rooms 86 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: and is back in the day when things were manufactured 87 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 2: in the store hats, dresses, things like that. So the 88 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: earliest people I've spoken to work there in the start 89 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 2: of the forties up until the end. It's incredible and 90 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 2: that's half its life pretty much. Yeah, about eighty years 91 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: in so that's the earliest. But these are people that 92 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: worked with the early Hayward family, So incredible memories of 93 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 2: Adelaide back then. 94 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: And coming to work on a trolley bus probably down 95 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: the center of Rundle Street day. 96 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, and coming really far to work. People had come 97 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: back from the Adelaide Hills. And this is back when 98 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: Devil's Elbow was a dicase. So the commitment these people 99 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: had to coming into work was amazing. 100 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: How about that I've often thought over the years, and 101 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: especially when they bought it and then decided to shut it. 102 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: The best thing David Jones could have done in South 103 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: Australia is to rebadge their stores to that famous cursive 104 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: signature of John Martin's and trade under that name in 105 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: South Australia. They have been on such a winner. 106 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely comes up a lot, I've got to say, 107 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 2: and I know a lot of people have things to 108 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 2: say about the Adelaide's steamship company. But I had the 109 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: pleasure of sitting down with John Spalvin's for lunch last year. 110 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 2: And he was very protective of John Martin's. And he 111 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 2: owned a lot of businesses under the Adelaide Steamship Company. 112 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: One of them was David Jones. It was the only store. 113 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 2: He was the CEO of all his companies, and he 114 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: was very protective of Johnny's and from nineteen eighty five 115 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: until he left in nineteen ninety one when ad Steam collapsed, 116 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: he was very The two were separate. So David Jones 117 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 2: was upmarket and John Martin's was for the like the 118 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: broader market, and that's how it was. But once he 119 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: left the scene and then a lot of other things happened, 120 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: things started to falling out. 121 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the shame of it all that we've 122 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: lost the name and this great store that we all loved. 123 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: The South Australians going back so many stories. We've just 124 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: been trading stories a little bit. I got lost in 125 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: Johnny's as a two year old. I've somehow found myself 126 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: down in the basement, staying up down, up down, because 127 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: like a lot of kids, and like you, fascinated by 128 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: those lifts with the metal great doors, yes, and the 129 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: little nob thing, the handle that they use. 130 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 131 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 2: The lift ladies, you know, David Jones had them Harriscarf, 132 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: but twenty's yeah, the seven lifts. The ladies were impeccably dressed. Yes, 133 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 2: they drove those lists with efficiency. And as much as 134 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 2: I love the toy Department, I watched these ladies in 135 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 2: wander and I've told the story a million times. But 136 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: my parents organized me to be dropped off with the 137 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: ladies and actually got to drive the. 138 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: Lift with them. 139 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: And through this journey I was able to find those 140 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: ladies again, and they're coming again to. 141 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: The booklorn about that. So you were how old you were? 142 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 3: Nine? 143 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 2: I was seven seven nine. So it happened twice just 144 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: before it closed, right, yeah, just before So we're talking 145 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: about the late nineteen ninety eight. Yeah, one month before 146 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: it sadly closed. Yeah, wow, And I was I was 147 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: bording with my parents on closing day as well. 148 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: So you feel a big affinity to Johnny's in as well. 149 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 2: I like to think of myself as a as they, 150 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 2: you know, sort of someone who wasn't really that work 151 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 2: there and honorary employee way, but I have to say 152 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: the Johnny's people have been so kind to me on 153 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: this project. They could have all told me to go away, 154 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: but they have been so kind and giving in their 155 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: stories that I'll always remember that. 156 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: I think, because you're documenting their stories and their love 157 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: for Johnny's, as we all have a piece of us. 158 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: You know, any long term South Australian who remembers Johnny's 159 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: thinks of it. Finally, no one doesn't, do, you know. 160 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: I mean there's been a couple of stories, like any 161 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: workplace of drama, and you know, I love that sort 162 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: of thing, and there's a bit of that in the book. 163 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: But overly, there's nothing I can find where John Martin's 164 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: did anything bad. You know, they were clean, no scandals 165 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: anything like that. They did good business in the state 166 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 2: and that's why people love to work there. 167 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: Johnny himself is a bit of a bad boy, wasn't he? 168 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: Going back? 169 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: It's really hard to find much information about John Martin 170 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: or Otto Peters, and I couldn't find anyone still connected 171 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: to John Martin. Very difficult. But someone recently, he just 172 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: bought a book and he emailed being told me he 173 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 2: was a descendant of Otto Peter's right founders. And I thought, wow, 174 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: like that's in pretty incredible. But he had many children, 175 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 2: John Martin, but he sadly died early. And often in 176 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: records when someone dies of something that's maybe from you know, 177 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 2: a lot of drinking or debauchery or things like that, 178 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: there's usually just a you know, it passed away from 179 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: a sad illness. 180 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, and that's the suggestion that he you know, 181 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: kind of drunkenly. 182 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 2: Assumed to say, yeah, his family's out there. I don't 183 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 2: want to make an axation, but yeah, I think definitely. 184 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: But this is how people lived, even the Hayward family. 185 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: There's a lot of parties at Carrick Hill drinking. This 186 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 2: is when people used to drink before the pageants. Yes, 187 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: it's a totally different era, so people reading it have 188 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 2: to remember we're talking about many, many different eras over 189 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty two years. 190 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: Absolutely, he lived down around the Plympton area, didn't He 191 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: somewhere Marion Road around one of those big houses through there. 192 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 2: And that house is still there. It's now a nursing home. Okay, 193 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: so still part of the state heritage, right. But yeah, 194 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 2: like I said, is that the Southern Cross one? It 195 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 2: is his property. All right, there we go. So that's 196 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: Johnny's Johnny's house, mister Martin's. Okay, So where to next 197 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 2: because obviously the launch today A you're doing anything at 198 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 2: Hayward House up there Carriy Kill. Yeah, so they've been 199 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 2: really kind. We've been in discussions about a future event 200 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: in November, so hoping to do a public talk there 201 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: and I talk with the friends of Carrot Kill, so 202 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: the volunteers just because we were trying to share information 203 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: about the Hayward family and they're very private, so both 204 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: of us have come to I had to share a 205 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: lot of notes, and even Richard Hayward, who's been really 206 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 2: a darling man in helping me it, doesn't know much 207 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: about the family. So we've really been digging into these people. 208 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 2: But there will also be an event next week at 209 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 2: the State Library, which but very limited tickets. 210 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: Now okay, all right, so there's still tickets for today, Okay, 211 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: all right. So the book is being launched today and 212 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: available I imagine Paul in all good bookstores soon. 213 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 2: Well, yes, it's available at all Dimmicks stores in Adelaide, 214 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: so rundelmor Glenell, Hyde Park and also Dylan's in Norwood 215 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: and people can also find it at the Carrick Hill 216 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: gift Shop and the Reading's bookstores in Victoria, which is 217 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 2: where I live now. And it's also with Bob Burns's 218 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 2: web store. Remember when, Oh. 219 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, We've spoken with Bob about Johnny's a couple 220 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: of times over the years. Just looking through some of 221 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: the photos, one of the things that just reminded me 222 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: just took me back to the nineteen eighties. Immediately the 223 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: salmon pink decor. They in an upgrade. I don't know when, 224 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: probably early eighties they went salmon pink and that seemed 225 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: to survive into its last days around the place. 226 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 2: It was money well spent. 227 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'd forgotten that and looking at it, of 228 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: course it was salmon pink towards its last few years 229 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: for whatever reason. But amazing and the lifts was certainly 230 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: a part of it. The first escalator in South Australia. 231 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the thing with the Hayward family and 232 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 2: they always want to be the first. 233 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 234 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: You know, this is why people also have fond memories 235 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: because it had the first miniskirt in Adelaide really apparently, yes, 236 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 2: and brought the Beatles to town. The first escalator, the 237 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 2: first soda fountain. Apparently the soda fountain was so popular 238 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 2: that the police had to be called a kid. This 239 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: is like a time where people were really dazzled by 240 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: technology and Johnny's and department stores with a leader of 241 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 2: those sort of things to draw people in. 242 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: How clever getting Johnny's involved in the Beatles again marketing, Yeah, 243 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: you probably not necessarily seen that way in the way 244 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: marketing guru would today, but kind of led the way 245 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: in that yeah. 246 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 2: I mean definitely driven by Bob France, yes, and Ron Tremaine, yes. 247 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 2: But without Johnny stepping in, it wouldn't have happened. And 248 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: it was Ian Haywood, Richard's father who said we have 249 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: to have the Beatles come to town. And again this wasn't 250 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: of course, you know, it led back to Johnny's with 251 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: the customers being loyal. But this was again another example 252 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 2: of a company saying South Australia cannot miss out, so 253 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 2: really ahead of its time. That was a big coup 254 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 2: for them. 255 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: If you want to share a story, while Paul's here 256 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: eight double two to three double O double. Oh, Paul, 257 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: I've got to tell you, having been involved for the 258 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: last I forget how many years now, thirteen I think 259 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: fourteen maybe with the Christmas pageant, and I'm lucky enough 260 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: to drive one of the double decker London buses that 261 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: they've got one of the two, the open top one 262 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: is the one I have in the pageant. And last 263 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: year the chief mechanic in the warehouse showed me in 264 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: I should say Stardust Castle, showed me the records of 265 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: buying the two buses, bringing them out from England and 266 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: the history of the buses back in the UK as well, 267 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 1: and that was just really interesting looking at the invoices 268 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: and I think they cost six thousand dollars or whatever 269 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: to buy and bring to Australia and they've been in 270 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: use now for the last fifty years. And the pageant 271 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: and it's just a little bit of history. But you 272 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: see the letterhead and the letters and everything else going 273 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: back and forth. 274 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 2: Yes, And I mean that's pretty much where I spent 275 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 2: a life six years going through every document, every filly 276 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 2: paper note in the State records off first the State Library. 277 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 2: They're well known there, so I didn't I turned over 278 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: every stone I possibly could just squeeze into this book. 279 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: And I think this book often people say to me, 280 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: is it a coffee book? But I also say it's 281 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: the sort of thing you could take to bed and 282 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 2: read because every I've tried to cram in as much 283 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: in the very beginning to the very end, full of 284 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 2: stories and little hints about what Adelaide was like as 285 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: times were changing. 286 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I can see that I can capture that 287 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: just in flicking through it over the last twenty minutes 288 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: or so the stories in here. Did you is there 289 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: anything you've left out you might want to share about 290 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: Johnny since you've found in those records, but for whatever reason, 291 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: you could something that sticks in the back of your 292 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: mind as well. That's interesting. 293 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think actually just the way the Haywards 294 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 2: conducted business, you know, they and I mean this with 295 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: all respect, they were a very stuffy of British family 296 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 2: running this business. And they while they recognized talent and 297 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: they did that very well with shoulder taps, you know, 298 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: and people like Jeff Coles, he recognized his talent and 299 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 2: he went on to be a Johnny's legend, but and 300 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 2: the same time very private, very peculiar, and how they 301 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 2: did things. As a story that Pat Scott, one of 302 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 2: the store managers told me that Sir Edward, as he 303 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: was known as mister Bill, was running late for a 304 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: meeting and he drove his car down North Terrace and 305 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 2: left it there running and ran into the store and 306 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 2: just told the secretary can go out in the middle 307 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 2: the street and park my car. So there's all these 308 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: sort of little funny stories. So they did things. 309 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, slip the headphones on. We've got Jeane 310 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: on the phone from Gilbert and Hi, Jane, how are 311 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: you good morning? 312 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 3: I'm real thank you. I had the privilege of being 313 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 3: in charge of a book that was set up by 314 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 3: John Martins to give good wishes to the royal couple, 315 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 3: Prince Charles and Diana on the occasional their marriage. So 316 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 3: we needed to kill ten thousand signatures, which we did 317 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 3: in a very short time, and then it was it 318 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 3: was delivered to this book where it was delivered. 319 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 4: To Government House and then passed. 320 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: On to the Prince. 321 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 3: How about that was my little my little bit of 322 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 3: My daughter also worked there for quite a time as 323 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 3: media managers, and so John Martin was certainly a name 324 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 3: we will never forget. 325 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely no, that's that's spot on. Good on you Jene, 326 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: thank you. It sounds like the Beatles, doesn't it, collecting signatures? 327 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: It does well. 328 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: It's funny about the Royals because the as I say, 329 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 2: they were very British, the Hayward family, they were Royalists 330 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 2: to the point where they had big banners of the 331 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: Royal family on the side of the building right, just 332 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: celebrating the coronation as well. And so Edward actually hosted 333 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 2: the Queen Mother to see Hans Iyson in the art 334 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: gallery John Martin ok. And I can just imagine seeing 335 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: the photos. While he was very private, that must have 336 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: been a huge occasion for him. Must probably didn't sleep 337 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 2: the night before. Tracy at Mudburray Heights, Hi, Trace. 338 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 4: Hello, how are you all? 339 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: We're good. 340 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 4: I used to work with John Martin's in the basement cafeteria. 341 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: I remember the cafeteria in near the lay By section. 342 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 4: Yes, that was my very first part time job. I 343 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 4: had two sisters that work there and my nana as well. 344 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: What did they do well? 345 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 4: We all worked in the Okay, yeah, that's where we 346 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 4: had our first part time jobs. Then I got us 347 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 4: for Christmas and Royal show money. Yes, and that was fun. 348 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 4: I would have done back then. Other people don't even 349 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 4: know there was a cafeteria down. 350 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: They Yeah, there certainly was, Yeah, and the battery upstairs. 351 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: And there was something else, wasn't there. 352 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: There was the flower Pot in years, and then there 353 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 2: was Elias's after the changed, but there was always lots 354 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 2: of places to eat Johnny's. 355 00:16:58,320 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 356 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 4: Well I'm six true. So it was a while ago 357 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 4: that I did the base in cafeteria. 358 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: Thank you. Cafeterias and department stores were the thing, and 359 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: there was no meccas, there were no food halls. It 360 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: was cafeterias. 361 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, in the departments definitely, And I mean the memories 362 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:15,959 Speaker 2: of the buttery, and I wish I had more photos 363 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 2: of it, but that was that was where people would 364 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: often go for lunch after long day shopping, and it 365 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: was very clever to keep the people in the store 366 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 2: that way. 367 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. Debbie at Udbury Heights hid Debbie Gooday. 368 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just bringing up when I found out heard 369 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 5: that the Martins were going to close, I wanted to 370 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 5: get something to remember them by, and I missed out 371 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 5: on the watch, but I brought the plate. The Calimeter 372 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 5: of Pain has got Jo Martins on the front of us. 373 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 5: People have said to me that it reminds them of 374 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 5: parents in England because it looks very much like it. 375 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 5: But didn't he come from England originally? 376 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 2: He did? 377 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 5: Yes, Yeah, so that's that's what I loved to love 378 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 5: your month. My mum used to go there every Christmas 379 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 5: because she had seven kids and she used always buy 380 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 5: our toys from the toy department, the magic kay that 381 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 5: the pageant. Oh, I just just love that sort. I'm 382 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 5: pretty sad that it is closed. 383 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, So I just would like to know 384 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: about the plate ye's got your mountains on? 385 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,959 Speaker 5: And when it was and whatever? 386 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, good on your DeBie, thank you? How about that 387 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: the play It would have been so much memorabilia. 388 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I am a terrible collector of it, 389 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: so anyone finding anything, I've already bought it. But the 390 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 2: plate that the lady was referring to as a Wedgewood 391 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 2: plate that was organized as a short run when the 392 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 2: store closed, and that was a keepsake for the staff 393 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 2: and the customers at the end. 394 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: Now I'm just thrilled to death, Paul, because I found 395 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: the photo of the bus I drive in your book. 396 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: Just came across it. I thought I'll look through the 397 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: Christmas pageant part and there it is on page eighty four, 398 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: so that's the same bus and this is from eighty three, 399 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: this photo and still going strong today. That's good to Yeah, yes, absolutely, well, 400 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to enjoy reading this. Thank you and well 401 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: done on producing just a brilliant looking book. And you 402 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: can't help but browse through it. And every time you 403 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: stop on any page there's photos to look at. There's 404 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: obviously words to go with them, and it's not a 405 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: photo book. It's the whole story of Johnny's but there 406 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: are photos on every single page and you want to 407 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: stop and look at them as you flick through because 408 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: the history captured so well, how long did it take 409 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: you to write? 410 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: Five and a half year? 411 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: Wow? 412 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 2: Yes, and this is my first book. 413 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: Yes, what's next? 414 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 2: Well, there's some talk about some other projects with John Martin's, 415 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 2: so potentially a documentary and a series of viral history 416 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 2: records next year, but I think I'll focus on the 417 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 2: book for now. There's a lot of talk events and 418 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 2: things like that, but people are coming out of the 419 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 2: woodwork and I have to say thank you to everyone 420 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 2: that has contacted me, because there's only goodwill towards me 421 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 2: in the book doing well and I hope that brings 422 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: back memories of Johnny's for everyone. 423 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure it will, and I've got a plenty that 424 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: have flooded back just looking through the pages. Thank you 425 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: for your time today, Hope, Thank you. Paul Flavel, my guest. 426 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: He has written a book called John Martin's The Story 427 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: of South Australia's Beloved Department Store or Beloved, and it 428 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: is available now Dimmicks. As he said from bob Burns, Australia, 429 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: remember when Adelaide, Remember when Paige and you can have 430 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: a look at that as well and find copies of 431 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: it there in order online but certainly available at all 432 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: Dimmock stores around the place.