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Speaker 1: Jesse Williams, Welcome to the studio.

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Speaker 2: An amazing story.

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Speaker 1: Blokes like Russell Wilson, Marshall Leans, how are you received

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Speaker 1: by them as.

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Speaker 2: An Johnny Manziel Johnny football.

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Speaker 3: The highest high and then you just knocked straight back

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Speaker 3: down wild He usually pay extra for that. But Jackson,

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Speaker 3: Alan Jackson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael Jackson, good official introduction.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably our biggest guest we've had in the studio.

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Speaker 2: Well, Brad thought we had Brad Thorne last week.

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Speaker 1: But you make Brad Thorne look like a child, actually

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Speaker 1: better looking.

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Speaker 2: I was about to say that, Jesse, But Jesse.

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Speaker 3: Williams, Welcome to the studio. Appreciate it right, good spot.

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Speaker 1: You're moving those people that don't know defensive tackle in

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Speaker 1: the American football at the University of Alabama, the university.

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Speaker 2: In the world.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeahversity.

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Speaker 1: But you're back in Australia, floating between Brisbane and Newcastle. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's what's doing in Newcastle?

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Speaker 3: Or just my wife and her family's down here, so

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Speaker 3: we sort of come down here trying to relax a

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Speaker 3: little bit. But Brisbane's always been home. We have a

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Speaker 3: lot of football programs and stuff there. But I think

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Speaker 3: being back just a lot of the stuff we do

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Speaker 3: for workers just around like mainly like honestly like young

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Speaker 3: those that sort of category of people in Australia. It

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Speaker 3: seems to be pretty under serviced at the moment. So yeah, so.

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Speaker 1: Because obviously you went to you were scouted from twenty

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Speaker 3: It was way before that, oh yeah, yeah, so like

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Speaker 3: it would have been two thousand and eight, two thousand

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Speaker 3: and nine, because I went to junior college first before

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Speaker 3: I went to Alabama. What's junior college? So it's like

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Speaker 3: a smaller version. It's kind of like kind of a

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Speaker 3: And you go there and you get like you're a

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Speaker 3: it's called an AA Associate Arts degree, and then you

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Speaker 3: can then graduate and get recruited to big schools, burn

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Speaker 3: a year and a half there of eligibility, and then

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Speaker 3: jump up. And so when I went there from playing here,

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Speaker 3: I knew nothing. I didn't know nobody, and I actually

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Speaker 3: didn't even get scouted. A coach came down. I was

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Speaker 3: like with insurance as a national body, probably shouldn't have

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Speaker 3: he was like, hey, you should probably try and play

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Speaker 3: I didn't know nothing of it, like I'd never been

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Speaker 3: And he said, I got no scholarships. He said, but

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Speaker 3: you a spot. And then I worked three jobs. I

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Speaker 3: I worked at Hungry Jack's and my grandparents had a

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Speaker 3: I was the number one player in the whole country. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that pre like college life? Is that similar

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Speaker 3: Like how old are you there? It's very simile. Nah,

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Speaker 3: I couldn't. I was under twenty one. Yeah, I didn't

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Speaker 3: drink anyway, but it was it is like a micro version,

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Speaker 3: like very less resourced compared to like if you look

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Speaker 3: so it's a little different, but it gives you the skills.

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Speaker 3: And back then you couldn't just transfer like you can now,

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Speaker 3: use a year of play. So there was like amazing

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Speaker 3: football talent, good coaches, but like the small town like

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Speaker 3: like farm cabbage and lettuce out there. That's it. Wow.

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Speaker 3: And there's like this like tiny little college. And I

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Speaker 1: So, well, you're in good company here, right, because if

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Speaker 1: you don't know anything about Newcastle, I was born there,

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Speaker 1: but Matthew spent majority of his life there. You've got

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Speaker 1: some good nightclub recommendations.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I'll say this, Jesse, You've picked a great

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Speaker 3: A great city.

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Speaker 2: It's a young people's city, great place to raise kids.

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Speaker 2: That's why we got out.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say when Yeah, And a couple of

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Speaker 3: things to know about Newcastle. Great people.

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Speaker 2: People in Newcastle called Novacastrians. Basically I have seen that.

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Speaker 3: Actually I got to mixed up with people from Nova

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Speaker 2: Nevacastro was a Latin term panned I think from Julius Caesar.

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Speaker 2: Basically it means people who are loyal and you can

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Speaker 2: a night out Jack. Is Fanny still open?

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Speaker 3: It's called the yard Goal now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would just be called Fanny's which basically gives

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what a fine establishment.

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Speaker 1: And my dad actually lives there as well. What's my dad, Mike, My.

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Speaker 2: He's he lives in Newcastle. Yeah, I took him on

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Speaker 2: it's been redone. Honestly, if the walls start to talk,

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Speaker 2: they we're going to knock the joint down. But Jesse before,

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Speaker 2: look as you said, we're going to cruise on parts

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Speaker 2: old boy for the Seattle Seahawks in the Super Bowl today.

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Speaker 2: In recording this, it's on on Monday. What's what's feel

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Speaker 2: You're confident? I am confident. It's been a while. I

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Speaker 2: think we've got a pretty good mix.

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Speaker 3: At the moment, good teams, some good leaders, coaches are

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Speaker 3: that's at the NFL in a nutshell right there is

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Speaker 2: It's amazing how quickly teams turn over and cycle the Pats.

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Speaker 2: I was expecting them post Bradi and Belichick to really

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Speaker 3: They're straight back up there.

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Speaker 2: That was amazing that game against Denver and then in

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Speaker 2: at Shuttle still there from your time?

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Speaker 3: No way too old, but a lot of the coaches

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Speaker 3: they're such a quality organization, like it's not a turn

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, what's that like?

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Speaker 1: Because a lot of like Australian sports, like the NFL, AFL,

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Speaker 3: A lot like that. Yeah. Yeah, Well like in the NFL,

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Speaker 3: like it's always been. I mean college, yes all the time.

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Speaker 3: I'll do everything. I'll sit in the cold tub in there,

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Speaker 3: But it was, Yeah, the NFL is a little different

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Speaker 2: So I mean, just before we get into something, I'm

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Speaker 2: just I'm intrigued by your college career because University of Alabama.

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Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan of Joe Namath, Bear Bryant, the

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Speaker 2: legendary Coage and those guys. But it was, first of all,

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Speaker 3: Did you They were on the radar early on. They

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because they recruited two rugby league players

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Speaker 2: player Paul Cernan, Yeah, I played for the Balmontelliers that

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Speaker 2: called Colin Scott's. But then the big move, like you know,

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Speaker 2: for people that don't know, like University of Alabama, it's

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Speaker 2: just it's like, I know, it sounds funny, like because

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Speaker 2: it's college football, but it's just about just about as

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Speaker 2: far as fan base and everything, the pinnacle, it's incredible.

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Speaker 3: It's life and death for sure. Like you know, Brian

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Speaker 3: Danny Stadium is one hundred and something thousand packed out

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Speaker 3: every week and probably another one hundred and fifty outside

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Speaker 3: every game.

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Speaker 1: Would they get more than some NFL teams.

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Speaker 3: Way more like Seattle's like I think seventy nine thousand,

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Speaker 3: Like there's not many that are that big. Like the

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Speaker 3: difference is like those NFL stadiums are like used for

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Speaker 1: Used for Alabama, so no one else can touch that.

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Speaker 3: Like that's that's like the that's where the buying is,

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Speaker 2: I thought I was Mexican. Yeah, legit too, legit, take

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Speaker 1: Don't show Jesse your hairlines, Jesse clip.

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Speaker 3: At home with my hairline.

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Speaker 2: I just were you aware? Were you aware of the

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Speaker 3: Is that right? He sat in the bell tower.

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Speaker 2: The only person left the Belltown for was Joe Namath

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's unbelievably present. Like they build new buildings

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Speaker 3: Like the tradition is something that the school really leverages

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Speaker 3: What's on the front is the University of Alabama and

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Speaker 3: those are two things that we will take very seriously

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Speaker 1: Because they get those big universities, right, like a lot

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Speaker 2: I saw a thing other with Johnny Manziel. Where when

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Speaker 3: Like that is that's just inside the money is like,

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Speaker 2: And a very good friend of a good friend of ours,

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Speaker 3: Of these college it wouldn't even in the same stretch.

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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, so the University of Alabama, like the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot like when we were playing. So

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Speaker 3: And they were like, you know, even when I met

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Speaker 3: no one even asked me about that. I'm like, but

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Speaker 3: it's just such a buy in that, Like if you

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Speaker 2: Is it interesting? I like that time you said it

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Speaker 1: Well, I think contest that can be.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Jessy's little do tour before we talk about

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Speaker 2: college life. Please tell me it's like animal house in

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Speaker 3: WHI.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you this's boring fact that that's saying cost

435
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,480
Speaker 2: arm in a league where it comes from back in

436
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:17,919
Speaker 2: back in the day, a long time ago that you know,

437
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 2: there was no photographs, so they had to take you know,

438
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,399
Speaker 2: people would get portraits themselves, and how much your body

439
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 2: was in the portrait cost you basically dictated how much

440
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,760
Speaker 2: you had to pay. So if you just got a headshot,

441
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,439
Speaker 2: it might cost you, yeah, one hundred, one hundred dollars.

442
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,080
Speaker 2: But you know, if you've got just the bust, you're

443
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,199
Speaker 2: talking about two hundred. But over it cost you a

444
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 2: cost you the most if you've got the arms and

445
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,640
Speaker 2: the legs in hence the term cost arm and a leg.

446
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,120
Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, there you go, I.

447
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:52,440
Speaker 2: Jesse, Jesse would cost you as now I never said.

448
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,160
Speaker 1: I've just been sitting here thinking about it. You look

449
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 1: like Adam Fanoah Blake. Have you ever heard that?

450
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 3: I don't know who that is. I'll show you a

451
00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 3: picture of him. It sounds handsome already. I'll get it up. Sorry, Jacka, No,

452
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:04,320
Speaker 3: I'll get it up. I'll get it up for you

453
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 3: in a sec.

454
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:10,119
Speaker 2: The university life, Jesse, what's it is it?

455
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 3: Like? You know, like as we see in the movies. Yeah, no,

456
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 3: I would say one hundred percent of the time. It's

457
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 3: more than that for sure. So like I was, I mean,

458
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 3: and granted I had pretty good experience to previce that

459
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 3: coming from a junior college with nothing to then go

460
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 3: into the University of Alabama, where like Old Row, which

461
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 3: is all the old frats and sororities are like fifteen

462
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 3: twenty million dollar buildings along this one street along the stadium,

463
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 3: and they're just like I can't even explain how much

464
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,199
Speaker 3: more than it is than the movies, like at the

465
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:46,880
Speaker 3: nightlife and just the buy in or oh yeah, that's Ado.

466
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:47,959
Speaker 3: I feel like I've seen him.

467
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 1: He's an he do it right over in the NFL are.

468
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, really good.

469
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 2: He's got really good feet. Yeah, he's a big guy,

470
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 2: really good feet, good.

471
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 1: Hands, great hands, Yeah, great hands.

472
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 3: I mean great hands. That's a big receiver.

473
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah that's right.

474
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

475
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, college life, that's a great picture. Parties fun

476
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 2: how old did well?

477
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're not an athlete any age?

478
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: Really, so you can go to college like at Dad's

479
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 1: how about your fifty four?

480
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 3: Fifty four?

481
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: Could he go to college?

482
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 3: Would you pass the classes.

483
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 2: That could be a problem extended? Did you play against

484
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 2: Johnny Manziel, Yes, I got it. My last sack in

485
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 2: college was on Johnny Manziel And the last game I

486
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 2: watched Alabama.

487
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 3: He was sitting next to me in the box.

488
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 2: No TI, the people know he Johnny football. It's one

489
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 2: of the most an amazing story, one of the greatest

490
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 2: superstars in college history. But then just a crazy party.

491
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 3: Crazy life, and he's still wild Wild. I never really

492
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 3: had a personal connection with him. I played and then

493
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 3: we end up meeting. We're in the like the private

494
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 3: boxes and stuff at Alabama when he came in, and yeah,

495
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 3: he's everything that portrays for sure.

496
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: Netflix series Duck over Tony at the moment, it's crazy.

497
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 1: I kind of it kind of almost well not painted,

498
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 1: but it looked like he'd sort of changed a bit

499
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: of his life soule. Towards the end, that's not the case.

500
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 3: I don't know. I haven't watched all the Netflix one,

501
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 3: but I think he's still he's charging.

502
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: He's charging because he was like he's hanging out like

503
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 1: he's playing college football at A and M Texas, and

504
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 1: he's like, but he's hanging out with like d just

505
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: like just like the biggest stars, not before the game.

506
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's getting on the tour and stuff like that.

507
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 3: Wild. It was different. It was weird for me because

508
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 3: my perspective of being at Alabama, like we had security

509
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 3: at every door, like you can't get out of the hotel.

510
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 3: So like I'm thinking, I'm like, what is A and

511
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 3: M doing if this guy can be at the part

512
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 3: of the night before where like he was above the

513
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 3: law a little bit. Yeah, oh absolutely, Like and that's

514
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 3: the thing, Like we're college back then, like we were,

515
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 3: I feel like we were kind of on the cusp

516
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 3: of like social media, where like now I feel like

517
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 3: we probably would have lost like thirty percent of the

518
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 3: guys just with like social media stuff. But back then

519
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 3: it was still like not as like eighties or nineties

520
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 3: wild West, but there still was like a little fringe

521
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 3: of like the guys might be able to get away

522
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 3: with some stuff unless people have like an iPhone seventeen

523
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 3: that can like ten times optical zoom around the corner.

524
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: And you know, hate those fans, Oh yeah, they're such

525
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 1: high call it so did Johnny. Like when you're doing

526
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: video and Johnny Manziel leading into when you're playing against him,

527
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 1: is that like like just is it all about the quarterback?

528
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 3: Like is that all the clips you're watching? Is it

529
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 3: only about him? Uh? No, not really, So like we'll

530
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 3: break down the offensive line first, and like the schemes

531
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 3: I think when we lock on him, and I remember

532
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 3: very vividly because his offensive line was so tall and

533
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 3: he was so short, so it was like a game

534
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 3: of like smoking mirrors of him running around. He would

535
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 3: just it's easy to play against guys that drop back

536
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 3: and go because I know where they're dropping to. I

537
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 3: know we're the midpoints are and like, but Johnny Manzel

538
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 3: was like two stepping and dancing, doing fucking backflips back

539
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 3: there trying to get away from You just couldn't predict.

540
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 3: He wasn't playing like football football traditionally, so that was

541
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: really tough. Like we we actually had a kid named

542
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 3: Blake Simms who actually started a couple of years later

543
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 3: for Alabama, and he was a very mobile QB, a

544
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 3: black dude. So he was practice squad the whole week

545
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 3: and we pretty much the whole week just chasing him

546
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 3: around the whole time, trying to mimic Johnny Manziel, you know,

547
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 3: because he's tackles were like six six and he's like,

548
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 3: you know, five foot eight or seven or whatever, and

549
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 3: it's just like you just lose them in the colors,

550
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 3: running around and trying to control your gap, and it's tough.

551
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 3: Man Like, people are like, why don't you just grab him?

552
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, the angle of the film, I'm five

553
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 3: yards away. But also like you got all these other

554
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 3: guys because you're trying to lock on him play a

555
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 3: block and I might get hit by another guard and

556
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 3: I'm not even looking at it, you know what I mean.

557
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 3: So it's just like it's a it's a tough situation

558
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 3: and they really better from it because he was so

559
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 3: small and just so fast.

560
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,479
Speaker 2: So Jesse, you're a superstar there. When did the NFL

561
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 2: side Like we get to talk about the combine in

562
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 2: the middle and I can only imagine the nerves on

563
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 2: draft day, But do you start getting sort of tapped

564
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: on the shoulder and your last year at a colleague.

565
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 3: Not really like you're so what Alabama does really well?

566
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 3: You're just so locked in on every day all the time,

567
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 3: like Saban just wouldn't let you get bigger than your

568
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 3: briches in any way shape or former ourselve just you're

569
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 3: getting scalp dragged back to planet Earth. And I you know, ever,

570
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 3: all the guys were such a good career. Everyone's so

571
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 3: brought into like we just need to win, like we're

572
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 3: just winning and it's just every day. It wasn't really

573
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 3: until like after the National Championship and you're like, oh,

574
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 3: we get to get an agent, and we got to like,

575
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 3: you know, back then, it wasn't like now we're kids again,

576
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 3: money and like everyone's got managers and like social media

577
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 3: people whatever. Back then it was like we had to

578
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 3: like in person like interview agents and like see what

579
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 3: the deal is. And then Saban gives you your grade

580
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 3: of like where you sit in NFL draft and all

581
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff, and you're just like, yeah, cool,

582
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 3: I guess I'll try and play in the NFL. You know,

583
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 3: it was never really on my I didn't. I wasn't

584
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 3: confident enough as a kid or an athlete to be like,

585
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go play in the NFL. I was confident

586
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 3: enough to be like, I can just fight as hard

587
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 3: as I can where I am right now, and then

588
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: the rest will figure itself out.

589
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 2: First step to combine, you see, like combine whether I'll

590
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: do all the tests your agility, your strengths, Yeah, everything, size,

591
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: they do judge, you know, with your growth plates and things.

592
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 3: Did everything. You pretty much walk around there for three

593
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 3: or four days in in Napolis, like wearing like boxer shorts,

594
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 3: and you're just everything. Everything is poked and prodded and

595
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 3: like test subject. It's it's crazy, like it's it's uncomfortable.

596
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 3: You do like a lot of mental tests and like

597
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 3: they don't let you sleep that much, not eating that much.

598
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 3: They put you under all this like controlled stress, and

599
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 3: then the teams will be like, oh, you've got a

600
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: meeting at one in the morning. And I remember going

601
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 3: in there with Coughlin when he was at the Giants

602
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 3: and I went in there and his first question was

603
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: like like are all these tattoos gang related? Like how

604
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 3: does this work? And I'm like I'm like what, yeah,

605
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 3: I'm like yeah, okay. But I did get a lot

606
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 3: of stuff about Australia and like, you know, how much

607
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 3: do I know about football and all that? And I

608
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 3: was very well prepared, like I when I was in there,

609
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 3: like I knew football. And they'll put you on the

610
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 3: whiteboard and just say a draw a three to four defense,

611
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 3: you know, twenty two personnel. They're going to run X,

612
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 3: Y Z, Like what are you doing in this? Where

613
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 3: are you thinking? What is the defensive end doing? You know,

614
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 3: where would a safety be in like a zero coverage

615
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: on this? And You're like what was the first part?

616
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 3: You know, it's so cerebral all the time, but they

617
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 3: control the stress to the point where you're like you

618
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 3: just want to go to sleep or you're hungry, and

619
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, you're just so frustrated because it's just meeting

620
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 3: and you got this, you got to be here. Oh

621
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 3: you're late, you should have done this, and it's.

622
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: Just like they just test that the whole sh and

623
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: then you're like, all.

624
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 3: Right, you got to go do it. And I couldn't

625
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 3: run or do much because I had surgery on my

626
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 3: knee the week before. Because the hard part people don't

627
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 3: stand is like when you play in the National Championship,

628
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 3: you're the latest game. So the combines five weeks later,

629
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 3: where everyone else finished five weeks ago, They've had ten

630
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: weeks to train. By the time you're recovering, you got

631
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 3: two or three weeks to try and get raided to train.

632
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: So like a lot of the guys that play like

633
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 3: it's really hard. There's not like a training program you

634
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 3: can do two weeks like get Combine fit, Like it

635
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 3: just doesn't work.

636
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: That's remember here in an interview, like when Jared Haynes

637
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: and Valentine Homes sort of went over to try their

638
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: hand in the NFL, and it was like because obviously

639
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: rugby league. It's like you probably have about six or

640
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: seven shapes and then like different.

641
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: Little variations extensions. Yeaheah.

642
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: But they said when they got their play But like

643
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: when Haynes went to the forty nine ers and got

644
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: the playbook, it was just like like rugby league playbook

645
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: probably fits on two pages. It was like an essay,

646
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: like a university essay, and he's trying to remember everything.

647
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's well, now there's like when I was playing,

648
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 3: it was just an iPad. It's just updated hourly. And

649
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 3: if you don't know it, like don't go on the field,

650
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 3: Like you'd rather sit in here and get cussed out

651
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: then go out there and fuck up. And that's where

652
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 3: I think I see a lot, Like and I was

653
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 3: over there when those guys were over there doing stuff,

654
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 3: and it's like everyone wants to play these positions until

655
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 3: you figure out what you actually have to think about

656
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 3: and do it. Like if it was just like who's

657
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 3: big and strong and who's fast, everyone would be in

658
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 3: the NFL. But it's like like offensive line defensive line,

659
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 3: like QB's like you have to be so smart and

660
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 3: so switched on that, Like it's just the adjustments because

661
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: everything is there's like reactive things and there's proactive things,

662
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 3: and like my alignment and assignment and then that adjusts

663
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: on if this guy steps this way, if he steps

664
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 3: this way, if he stands up a little bit, if

665
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 3: I see something I Q I'll talk to CJ. Moseley,

666
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 3: the linebacker right behind me, and I'll say this or this,

667
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 3: and it changes everyone and you communicate that. And when

668
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: it's too loud, I got to go by hand signals

669
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 3: to the sideline, or they're holding up cards and I

670
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 3: need to see the cards and adjust to the cards.

671
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 3: And then guys are out there like, oh, why'd you

672
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 3: stuff up?

673
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: I'm like to a Valentine. Well, I spoke to him

674
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: about it. Toughest thing when he went there. He was

675
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: New York Jets or Philadelphia Jets. Jets, Yeah, and he

676
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: said he was just he said he was standing on

677
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: the sideline. Let's say his number was twenty two, and

678
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: they go twenty two up, so he had to run.

679
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: Then bang, he's on and he said he's trying to

680
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: remember this playbook, like he struggled, and all of a

681
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: sudden they yell out a sequence and he zips in

682
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: his brain and goes Okay, I know what it is

683
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: and as as they're about to go, they changed the play.

684
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 3: He said, it was just it's quick.

685
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: It's why it's amazing someone like Jordan Mylada, who hasn't

686
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: who went over I think after he was playing sort

687
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: of under twenties at South Sydney has been able to

688
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: pick it up so quick because imagined so hard to not.

689
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 3: Pick up that quick. He was there for a long

690
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: time before he started playing plan and I think so

691
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 3: his coach, Jeff Stoutland, he was at Alabama when I

692
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 3: was there. He's one of the best offensive line coaches

693
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 3: like in the country. But for the offensive defensive line,

694
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 3: there is a bit more physicality to it and less

695
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 3: you know, running routes and all that sort of stuff.

696
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 3: So it is a little bit it's more just like

697
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 3: offensive fronts and being able to adjust to like where

698
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 3: people are more so. But it very is very individual

699
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 3: because like we send so many kids over now and

700
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: it's like we have to have the kids like you

701
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 3: have to understand like this is a mental game. It's

702
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 3: very everyone's big and strong, Like it's it's who knows

703
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 3: the more more about football and then who can execute

704
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: it every day. And that's that's why practice and that

705
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 3: so important. You practice so much every day. I was

706
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 3: watching five six hours worth of film every day. The

707
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: amount of times I watched me like get off the

708
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 3: ball is absurd, Like I just got sick of. Like

709
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 3: you just press the same fast forward, reverse play, fast forward,

710
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 3: first play, over and over again. You're just watching it,

711
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 3: watching it, watching that.

712
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: I've read about Joey Rice once when they saw him

713
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 2: in college, a couple of couple of franchises said, oh,

714
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: he's not fast enough. And the guy forty nine ers said, look, yes,

715
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: sure he's not fast enough, but he's smart enough. And

716
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: they just covered a lot of his shortcomings.

717
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you see, you see a lot of players

718
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 3: like that man Like you see who's a great one.

719
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 3: Bobby Wagner in a linebacker. He played Seattle with me,

720
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 3: like play for so long. Just smart knows how to tackle,

721
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 3: knows the defense, can command the defense. If you have

722
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 3: those skills, it doesn't matter if you're two hundred and

723
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 3: you know, sixty five pounds with no body fat, like

724
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 3: you still got to be in the right position. Doesn't

725
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 3: matter strong you are. And that's kind of where like

726
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: the league is really going, even in college, it's like

727
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: if these kids aren't smart, they're not good people. They

728
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 3: can't work under stress. Like if you can't man one

729
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 3: hundred and ten thousand people, that's a different environment to

730
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 3: be under it you take the wrong step in football,

731
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: Like I can watch film and be like I can

732
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,479
Speaker 3: see where are the dudes messing up straight away, and

733
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 3: like the crowd will see straight away if you stuff up,

734
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 3: And that's that's a lot of press pressure on people. Yeah,

735
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 3: it's also when you do good, but when you suck,

736
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 3: it's like, man, it's like the way of the world

737
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 3: on you. So it's a lot of stress.

738
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: You mentioned two hundred and forty five pounds a minute ago.

739
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: You've bench pressed six hundred pounds. We've got something in common.

740
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: That is is that your max is that I've.

741
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 3: Done six thirty five, But I was I was out

742
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 3: of the league then, and just like lifting, because what's

743
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 3: like Dot's ad the quilo two eighty five to seventy

744
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 3: five six hundred pounds too. Yeah to almost two ninety

745
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 3: was six thirty five. But yeah, I did six hundred

746
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 3: pounds as a senior in college on like a testing

747
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 3: day at Alabama. I have the video and everything, and

748
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 3: I was probably maybe one hundred and thirty five kilos

749
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: at the time. Oh that was pretty light for me

750
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 3: because I play I played in the NFL at maybe

751
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 3: like one fifty.

752
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: Makes me makes me think maybe we should go out

753
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: to the blood House of blood, sweating and tears. Still

754
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: a little bench.

755
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: I don't need a warm up.

756
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: I think our max would probably be your warm.

757
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: Up, right, Jesse tell us about draft day. We're sitting

758
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: down and you go right out. You're sitting out.

759
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 3: Off and all that.

760
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 2: Seattle were looking to pick you.

761
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 3: Up, not really, so it was like kind of a

762
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: big flip because I was ranked like number one or

763
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 3: two defensive tackle for like grading wise, like playing football

764
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 3: more than like back then, it wasn't as much like

765
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 3: social stuff. There was no international pathways or any of

766
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 3: that junk, so it was like pure football. And then

767
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 3: I hurt my knee in the SEC championship, even though

768
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 3: I kept playing and playing national champions So my draft

769
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 3: stuff slid like crazy going through all the physicals like

770
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 3: at the combine and all that. But I was actually

771
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 3: originally supposed to get drafted by San Diego, so they

772
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 3: had to pick. They were on one phone saying we're

773
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 3: about to get you. And then Seattle traded up to

774
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 3: get the pick to take me instead of San Diego,

775
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: which obviously worked out pretty good. But I was actually

776
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 3: in the weight room. I was lifting weights when they're

777
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 3: called really yeah. So I was with my roommate because

778
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 3: my family wasn't coming over. I was like, because as

779
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 3: soon as you get drafted, it's like, hey, your flight's

780
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 3: on on Monday at seventeen, and be at the airport.

781
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 3: You're ready to go like it's the highest high and

782
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 3: then you just knock straight back down to like we've

783
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 3: got to start again. I've got to start again, and

784
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 3: which I was already mentally ready for, like I never

785
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: I'm not a big attention guy. I didn't want to

786
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 3: be like like in the cover, like I didn't want

787
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: to do none of that. I was just like call me,

788
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: telling me cool. And you know, I had obviously, Pete

789
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 3: Carroll Quinn was my DC. He was like a legend.

790
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 3: Pete Carroll. Pete is yeah, pizza best like he's a

791
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 3: I always Obviously I had Sabin and Pete Carroll and

792
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 3: it was actually weird they both retired on the same day,

793
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 3: but they're both polar opposites and their approach, but they

794
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: both get it done in similar ways. Pizza players guy

795
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 3: for sure, big on competition. It's fun and all that

796
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 3: saban is structure systems, military style, like just discipline based,

797
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 3: like the path is the path and we'll get there

798
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 3: by notching it down. But I loved it. I had

799
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 3: Dan Quinn obviously he's the head coach at a bunch

800
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 3: of teams now as my defensive coordinator, and then John

801
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 3: Schnyder on the phone and like, yeah, it was cool.

802
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 3: But I never built it up to be some like

803
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 3: huge epiphany or a big moment that I'm like, we

804
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 3: made it or whatever. I was like, I was never

805
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 3: a big money guy. I'm not like super into that

806
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 3: type of stuff. And it was just like just another

807
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 3: opportunity to like prove myself and like work and do

808
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: all that to get drafted to Yeah a little cloudy, but.

809
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 1: Who else in that was in that draft class?

810
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 3: Oh there was Heaps, Luke Wilson, the tight end, Kristin

811
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 3: Michael was the second round. He was a running back,

812
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 3: he was a killer, he was a Texas A and

813
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 3: m kid. We had a bunch, but then like we

814
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 3: had a lot of guys come in as well, like

815
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 3: Jimmy Graham I was close with he came in. He

816
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 3: came from the Saints into Seattle then.

817
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: But who like went like number one?

818
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 3: We didn't have We didn't have number one. So for

819
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: like four or five years Sea, I didn't take any

820
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 3: first round guys. They traded their first rounds Oh.

821
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: No, I mean not for Seattle like in the actual Yeah, sang,

822
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: who was I'm testing here.

823
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 3: What I knew like Luke jockol and those tackles were

824
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 3: up there. Who was number one? What year was? It's

825
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 3: Jack saways jack favorite sound. It was a little slow,

826
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 3: but it's okay.

827
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: Did you get to play with Marshall Lynch?

828
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was funny because my friend is at that

829
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 3: Super Bowl right now with him, and I just sent

830
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: a photo of me and Marshall on to him because

831
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: he's about to interview Marsha on Today ericsher Eric Fisher. Wow,

832
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 3: it was a tackle. Yeah, he was uh Kansas He

833
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 3: went to Kansas City, but he was where did he

834
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 3: play college? Small school somewhere? I think, Yeah, he was

835
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: a good tackle character. Masha Lynch, Yeah, wild. I have

836
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 3: a lot of Marsha On stories, very funny wild man. Yeah,

837
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 3: and he can tell yeah. Actually no, one of the

838
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 3: funniest ones that aren't anything controversial. One of my first practices.

839
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 3: So when you integrate from a rookie into like the Vets,

840
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 3: there's a lot of like like just alpha male type

841
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 3: of stuff, right, And once we got over that, we

842
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: go to practice. This is in like OTA's mini camp

843
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 3: and off season, and like no pads, everyone's just wearing jerseys.

844
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: Is like very inflly and the offense is rolling through

845
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 3: defenses out there. Marshan comes out there, he runs like

846
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 3: a wheel out of the backfield. They throw it to him,

847
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 3: and I just remember him like this is like where

848
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 3: the fans can come out and watch practice and all that,

849
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 3: like the photos and all that. I remember. He runs,

850
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 3: he catches a touchdown, jumps in the end zone and

851
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 3: just stayed laying down there for like thirty minutes. They

852
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 3: moved they had to move the drill and bring it

853
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 3: back out of the end zone because he just laid

854
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: on the ground and just stayed there. Just didn't He

855
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 3: just stayed laying on the ground.

856
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: And I was like, and no one said, when you're

857
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: like that level, Oh yeah, when you're the man of

858
00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: the club. Do they just let you kind of do

859
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: your own.

860
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 3: Not really, because we had a lot of dudes that

861
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 3: were that guy for sure, like the Kings, Richard Sherman,

862
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson, Jimmy Grant. We had bowlers everywhere, but by Sean,

863
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 3: he packed the extra punch, you know what I mean,

864
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: so like and he would just look at Pete and

865
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 3: they were just like, you know, flip the d and

866
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 3: running back out. But I remember being a rookie and

867
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: just watching. I'm like, what is happening. I'm like, he's

868
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: just laying down. I'm like I'm trying to like clock

869
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: him on my peripherals and like pay attention to practice.

870
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 3: I'm like, he's still laying down.

871
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: Still, Blokesite, Russell, Wilson, Marshall Lynch, how are you received

872
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: by them as an Aussie sort of coming over and.

873
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 3: See, I never really like played the Aussie card. Everyone

874
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 3: just knew I was the big guy from Alabama. Yeah.

875
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 3: It wasn't like a thing like it is now. As

876
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 3: much like I got there on like being like good

877
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 3: at football. I never had to like market myself or

878
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 3: do anything. But I had great relationships with all that.

879
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 3: Like Russell has always been great man. We used to

880
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: send this owner and do stuff all the time. A

881
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 3: lot of weird into actions with that. But in a

882
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 3: lot of weird sign interactions.

883
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 2: It's I think we're sawn A interactions classes Barkhouse. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

884
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: they usually pay extra for that, but yeah, no, they

885
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: all loved it. It's mainly just like stupid questions all

886
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: the time, and they would bring it up. But I

887
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: think I was so like, I'm pretty quiet usually like

888
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: in the system, I'm I'm like a grinder and like,

889
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: just let me work like the football will talk, will

890
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: just do that. But when they would say stuff or

891
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,479
Speaker 2: if anything would come up out Australia that everyone would

892
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 2: be on me straight away, you know what I mean.

893
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: And I'm like they would say something like I'm not

894
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: even from Sydney or anything like that. They would just

895
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: make up ship half the time, which was funny, but

896
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: it happened a lot.

897
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 3: In college. I get a lot of smack talk. I

898
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 3: remember again, I got chopped, like some dude cut me

899
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 3: from the side in the Georgia game and he got

900
00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 3: up and he was like, welcome to America, and I'm like,

901
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, we're winning. It's just little things like because

902
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 3: people would always be like, oh, what sort of Australian

903
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 3: smack talks should I say? And I'm like, I don't know.

904
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone's going to understand me if I

905
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: say anything anyway. You know, there's no words like Derek Ye.

906
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 3: People would say stuff to me and I'm like, okay,

907
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: all right, man, cool.

908
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: I think Seattle the ground there, someone told me it's

909
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: class is probably the loudest stadium in America. That once

910
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 2: Marshall Lynch party I remember.

911
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 3: Set off the Richter Skirl.

912
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 2: Yes, it actually it registered on the earthquake quake tremor

913
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 2: in the city. That's iconic. Yeah, So it's the way

914
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: the stadium is designed. It's very like it's hard to

915
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: visualize without being there, but when you're on the field,

916
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: it's like deafening.

917
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 3: You can't like a lot of it. When we play

918
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 3: at home, it was like a lot of hand signals

919
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 3: and stuff because it's louder for defenses at home because

920
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 3: they're cheering for like they're trying to drown out the

921
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 3: offense of yeah, the other town. So a lot of

922
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 3: it hand signals, but it is extremely loud. So the

923
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 3: concerts there are crazy you can hear it like in

924
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 3: the like city blocks around. But I think I had

925
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 3: something to do with like the roof and like the

926
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 3: acoustics of it just bounces to sound straight back to

927
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 3: the field like when you're there.

928
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: There's a lot about how how you were, how you

929
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: were viewed by Pete Carroll and the franchise, given the

930
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 2: fact you went through so much frustration with injuries, but

931
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: they keep you on the roster, kept you going.

932
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I feel like every time I was healthy,

933
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 3: like I was starting, like I was a good player.

934
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 3: I was their investment for whatever it was, and it

935
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 3: was it was kind of like a two way street

936
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: because they knew I was working. It wasn't like all

937
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 3: the stuff that happened was like accidental. Wasn't like I

938
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 3: was in a car accident or anything like that. It

939
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 3: was like, like I tell people all the time, like

940
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 3: football's football. If you think you're not going to get hurt,

941
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, you ain't playing hard enough for avoidable Yeah,

942
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 3: especially at that level. It's like even like Jordan would

943
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 3: say the same thing that he's had more surgeries than

944
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: me when I was playing, you know mine would just

945
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 3: obviously having cancer is not something I really could have

946
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 3: like rehabbed out of as much, but it was more.

947
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 3: I never felt bad about it because it was like,

948
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 3: this is football, man, I signed up for this. I

949
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 3: told my parents all the time and said, if I break

950
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 3: my neck out there, I said, do not keep me alive.

951
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 3: I said, I need to go the way I need

952
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 3: to go because I was committed to that. And all

953
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 3: these injuries, like the amount of stuff I did have

954
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 3: hurt and no one ever knew about it because the

955
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 3: media never knew and I was just playing, well, what's

956
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 3: your biggest injury outside of having cancer? I would say

957
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 3: that's actually pretty mid grade for me. But I would

958
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 3: just say it was mainly like I hurt my knees consecutively,

959
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 3: but they weren't like my knees were so strong. I

960
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 3: kept tearing meniscus only from like rotation, but it happened.

961
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 3: So I found out later in life that my meniscus

962
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 3: was like both on both knees were like a weird shape.

963
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 3: So I tore it on the both sides on the

964
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: weird shape on my knees. Wow. I never tore anything

965
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 3: for a little bit of MCL and LCL, but never

966
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 3: completely tore anything. Never tore my acl nothing else because

967
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 3: my legs were so strong. I just tore like these

968
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 3: weird little things because it was the shape of my miniscus.

969
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 3: That's a weird cancer.

970
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 2: The cancer diagnosis. How did that come about? Well, give

971
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: us how you're feeling.

972
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 3: I was. So it was the off season leading into

973
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 3: the into the main season, my third year in the NFL,

974
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: and I just started pissing blood and I didn't tell

975
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 3: anyone for like two weeks because I was like hard headed.

976
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 3: I was like, ah well, I was like, I just

977
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 3: keep practicing, keep I had no other pain. I was

978
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 3: doing a lot of jiu jitsu at the time, and

979
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 3: I was just like, you know, I was going through

980
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 3: so much stuff. I was just telling myself these crazy

981
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 3: stories like I must just be dehydrated, or I ate

982
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 3: be troop three months ago, this is why I'm pissing

983
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 3: blood or whatever. And then I started pissing clots of

984
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 3: blood so I could hear it like a little musical tune,

985
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: you know, And I have a photo of it. I'll

986
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 3: show you his after it. I usually pull it up

987
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 3: when we do our presentations. But it was like ketchup

988
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 3: and like someone mixed like diet coat together because I

989
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 3: remember going in there. I called my agent. I'm like, hey,

990
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 3: I've been pissing blood for four weeks. I probably should

991
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 3: have told you, and obviously he's losing his mind. He said,

992
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 3: you got to tell the team right now. He said

993
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 3: they're going to fucking freak out. So I'm like, okay,

994
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 3: I'm going into team workouts. I see the head trainer

995
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 3: strict and I said, he's actually stretching Russell Wilson to

996
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 3: get ready for a workout. I said, hey, man, I

997
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 3: got some blood in my urine. He's like, cool, it's

998
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 3: pretty normal in the NFL, like patches of blood or whatever.

999
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 3: I go and fill it back up. It was like

1000
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: a cup like this, and it was just like you

1001
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 3: couldn't see through it, like the viscosity. Probably doesn't make

1002
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 3: sense how it came out of my body. And I

1003
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 3: took it to him and I said, here you go, man,

1004
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 3: and he was like, what the fuck is that? I said,

1005
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 3: that's the sample. He said, If that's not your sample,

1006
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 3: he said, you're going to me be in trouble. And

1007
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'll piss on the ground right now if

1008
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 3: you want me too. I'm like, that's the sample, and

1009
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 3: he just put the sample down and just ran up

1010
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 3: and he ran to call an ambulance. And I was like,

1011
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 3: I'm sitting there talking to Russ holding this bloody piss

1012
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 3: cup and he was like, what's that. I said, Oh,

1013
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 3: it's my urine. And he was like, oh my god.

1014
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 3: He was like, you need to get that checked out.

1015
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 3: I'm like I know, man, I'm like I will actually

1016
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 3: good idea pretty dehydrated. So then they go and they

1017
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 3: go and they call an ambulance and I said, very

1018
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 3: typical of me, I said, let me finish my workout

1019
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 3: and then I'll I'll get changed and we'll go to

1020
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: the hospital. So I worked out and it got changed,

1021
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 3: and they took me in the ambulance to the hospital

1022
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 3: and yeah, they had a bunch of skins and like, yeah,

1023
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 3: my kidney was like completely crushed by a tumor, like

1024
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 3: a little hand and it looks like it in the skin,

1025
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 3: like a little hand Like that completely crushed my kidney.

1026
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 3: And then we're like, oh, we've got to do a biopsy.

1027
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 3: They pulled this big, like little spring loaded gun that

1028
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 3: shoots like a little chlaw and it grabs a bit

1029
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 3: of your kidney out and I was awake. I was

1030
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 3: watching it on the TV and they do the biopsy,

1031
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 3: said it'll be three days. Seattle's flying my family over.

1032
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: Everyone thinks I'm dying. And I just remember picking up

1033
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 3: my family, taking them to like the outlets or whatever,

1034
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: like trying to take their mind off it. And yeah,

1035
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 3: my on college just called me and said, hey, got

1036
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 3: some good news. I got some bad news. I said,

1037
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 3: tell me bad news. He was like, yeah, it's definitely cancer.

1038
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 3: And the good news is, but find people in to

1039
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: do surgery in two days. I'm like cool. And then

1040
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: I just told him that. I said, whatever the quickest

1041
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 3: recovery is, I said, take my whole kidney. At this

1042
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 3: point day of surgery, I had seven weeks, five days

1043
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 3: until first preseason game, and I told my dad, I said,

1044
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 3: I got to get back and play. I'm like, I'm

1045
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 3: not posting. I'm like, this is just cancer. I'm like,

1046
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 3: cut it out and then I'll go from there. And

1047
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 3: then that's what I did. I was supposed to be

1048
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 3: in hospital for like five days. I woke up after

1049
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 3: sixteen hours of the surgery. I woke up. I was

1050
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 3: like pressing that button. I'm like, I go get out

1051
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 3: of here.

1052
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, did you have to go through like chemotherapy

1053
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: and stuff. Well, no, they did, like they clean could

1054
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: just cut it out.

1055
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 3: They clean took my whole kidney, like the whole thing

1056
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 3: was completely like fucked up from it. They woke up,

1057
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 3: they said, like obviously arguing with them, I need to

1058
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 3: get out of here. And then they were like, oh,

1059
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 3: you need to walk around the ward twice unassisted and

1060
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 3: then take the catheter out, which was obviously the most

1061
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 3: fun and a tugger war, you know what I mean,

1062
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 3: me and the nurse, and so I popped myself up lucky.

1063
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 3: I was like strong as hell. I couldn't really feel

1064
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 3: my core or nothing, It's like all upper body, put

1065
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 3: myself up, walked around the ward, they pulled the catheter out.

1066
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 3: I was awake the whole time. And then by the

1067
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 3: time my parents came to pick me up, I had

1068
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 3: to drop like food and because I mean it's supposed

1069
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 3: to be there for five days, I was already dressed,

1070
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 3: sitting on the bed ready to go. Wheah. Yeah, and

1071
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 3: then I drove myself home.

1072
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 2: And people find that hard to believe, right, People get

1073
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 2: that's just insane, and we see it in our sport

1074
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 2: as you would in the NFL with the head knocks

1075
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 2: to you, and we brought in all these protocols like

1076
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 2: the NFL have, and people say, like people cannot understand

1077
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 2: why a player would disguise their concussion, And I say,

1078
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: you don't realize when you're that age, the most important

1079
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: thing apart from even more than your health, is your jersey. Yeah,

1080
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: and you'll do anything to protect your jersey.

1081
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I felt like I just didn't want to

1082
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 3: let the team down and all that sort of stuff,

1083
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 3: and I end up coming, you know, seven weeks five

1084
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 3: days later, I played like and I was still I

1085
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 3: ripped my stitches so many times. They stopstitching and I'm

1086
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 3: back together. They were like, it's just like a waste

1087
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 3: of time now, So like my scars are way bigger,

1088
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 3: and I just like as soon as I could walk,

1089
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 3: I was like jogging. As soon as I'd let me lift,

1090
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 3: I was going. Soon as i'd be practiced, I was

1091
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 3: banging ready to go. And then that must give you

1092
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 3: a lot of respect with the players. Yeah, yeah, I

1093
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 3: mean the University of Washington did like a study on

1094
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 3: me because I came back so quick. But like, you know,

1095
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 3: there was downsides to it, like I was sleeping forty

1096
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 3: five minutes a day, couldn't sleep. I could barely walk

1097
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 3: up the stairs, like because three stories in the facility

1098
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 3: to get up to the meeting rooms, I could barely

1099
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 3: get up there. Every practice was like I had to

1100
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 3: empty the tank just to keep up. And that's half

1101
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 3: the reason. Like I came, like towards the last, second

1102
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 3: last preseason game, I flew my dad back and told him,

1103
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 3: I said, I'm going to retire. Man, I'm like, I

1104
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 3: don't think my body's like wanting to do this no more.

1105
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 3: He was in my first game. I wanted him to

1106
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 3: be in my last game. And I met with John Schneider,

1107
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 3: the gm P Caroll and I'm like, Oky, to be honest.

1108
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 3: For me, it felt it was unjust that I'm taking

1109
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 3: a spot on the team and I'm barely getting by,

1110
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 3: and you can have some other dudes in here, be

1111
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 3: more that that wasn't something I wanted to do. I

1112
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 3: never wanted to be like a journeyman and bounce around.

1113
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 3: I never wanted to. I never expected to be there

1114
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 3: in the first place. So I was like, let me

1115
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 3: just make the most of the time. And then I

1116
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 3: played out, you know, my last game there in Seattle

1117
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 3: in the preseason there that third year, you know, with

1118
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 3: my dad there and all that, and it just it

1119
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 3: made sense and my body was like it Still it

1120
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 3: took me years after to like try and level everything

1121
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 3: back out and sort of get my shit together. But yeah,

1122
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 3: I mean selfless getting over it. I was like, yeah,

1123
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 3: I just treated cancer like it was the fluid. To

1124
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 3: be honest, I feel like a mindset.

1125
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: I feel like it is like there's so many stories

1126
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,479
Speaker 1: you hear of people like how you're mentally going into

1127
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: something like that. Obviously like it's it's very bad, but

1128
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: if you have like a mentality of I suppose treating

1129
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: it like it's nothing, like it is a bit mind

1130
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:18,720
Speaker 1: ever matter.

1131
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 3: Right, And I was lucky that my life was very

1132
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 3: adversity filled for a long period of time, so I

1133
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 3: was pretty used to like whatever this feeling was going

1134
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 3: to be. And I knew, I always when as a

1135
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 3: young man, I always knew that the decisions and choices

1136
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 3: I make now are going to affect the rest of

1137
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 3: my life. And that included you know, retiring all that.

1138
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 3: It was never what I did, It was how I

1139
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 3: did it. And that's what I feel best about now.

1140
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 3: More so than like dragging it on or like make

1141
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 3: bang it on, like about me, Like I never I

1142
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,919
Speaker 3: was never walking around the facility like people feel sorry

1143
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 3: for me. I was like I was telling him, like

1144
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 3: stop asking me about it, dude, Like, don't ask me

1145
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 3: if I'm feeling okay, if I'm here, I'm ready to roll.

1146
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 3: But I think it is it's all just like a

1147
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 3: mentality thing. And I just man, I just never had

1148
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 3: been like soft in my life. And I was just like, man,

1149
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 3: and lord knows, I ain't going to start today. I'm

1150
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 3: not doing it.

1151
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 2: Let's talk about a bit of jewelry on your hand.

1152
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 3: Super Bowls. I wore it. Yeah, I notice super Bowl ring.

1153
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 3: Give me that thing.

1154
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: Let's put this mate and what he's got some big fingers, man.

1155
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 3: I get that all the time.

1156
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: Doesn't fit on my thumb.

1157
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 3: Forty three to eight.

1158
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 2: You beat the Denver Broncos Peyton Manning, Who's yeah, that's incredible.

1159
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 2: What was it like like the two weeks leading into

1160
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl like that imagined the circus?

1161
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 3: I was, yeah, it was just it was crazy. But

1162
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 3: you know, I feel bad because I was that kind

1163
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 3: of desensitized because I've been through so many National championships

1164
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 3: leading up to it, and the national championships are almost

1165
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 3: more intense because you don't have the protection of like

1166
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 3: the NFL and money and all the stuff around. You're

1167
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 3: so immersed all the time by it. But it was amazing, man.

1168
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 3: I think it was such a blessing being you know,

1169
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 3: on that team, but also with the guys that were there.

1170
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 3: You know, I still have great relationship with so many

1171
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 3: of those guys. It was like a really good group

1172
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 3: of men that were like I don't know, I learned

1173
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 3: more being on a team like that than I could

1174
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 3: ever really do, like searching for information. It was just

1175
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 3: like readily available. Yeah, and obviously like just crazy football

1176
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 3: players on that team, like Hall of famers and like

1177
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 3: guys that just are built to do that. So it

1178
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 3: was just like it was a holistic moment of like

1179
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 3: I remember standing on the field and being there and

1180
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 3: like face on my parents and just like trying to envision,

1181
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 3: like this is place where I played back in Brisbane,

1182
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 3: Judy Hot Park and they built football fields like on

1183
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 3: the dump that's where we played, and it was like

1184
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 3: to go from there. They never mowed the grass, and

1185
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 3: I'm like in New York, like and it's like snowing

1186
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 3: and we just wanted some bowl. Was like, I'm like,

1187
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 3: what the hell's going on? And but just like everything

1188
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 3: in between that, I'm like, dude, I'm like, what a grind?

1189
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 3: And you know it's it underneath.

1190
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: The ring has leave no Doubt. That is that the

1191
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: team's motto for the final.

1192
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 3: With that year, just for that year, leave no doubt

1193
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 3: and then obviously like what's next being able to move

1194
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 3: on and do that, and we'd have a different one

1195
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 3: every every year, like obviously met with the team and

1196
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 3: do all that sort of stuff which the US does

1197
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 3: really well, like the leadership around like the affirmations and

1198
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 3: what the team is about what type of football team

1199
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 3: we want to be and what type of men and

1200
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,919
Speaker 3: what we represent and all that because it just empowers you,

1201
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 3: you know what i mean. Like we spoke earlier like

1202
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 3: the NFL, like anyone in the playoffs, like you could

1203
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 3: lose every game, you know what I mean, It's who

1204
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 3: shows up and who has that like intrinsic motivation and

1205
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 3: connection the whole way through. If you can execute, then

1206
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:39,439
Speaker 3: that's who wins.

1207
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: It is even like the clubs that we like Penrith

1208
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: Panthers do it very well because they do a lot

1209
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: of and the club I was that Melbourne Storm used

1210
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: to go over to the US a lot and get

1211
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: a lot of motivation, and they brought a lot of

1212
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: that stuff back, like in the preseason, getting all together

1213
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: and come up with like a theme for the year,

1214
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: all the messagings in the locker room, and it's like

1215
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: it allows everyone to sort of be rolling in this direction.

1216
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 3: Creating by it.

1217
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really interesting, you know that those fact finding

1218
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 2: missions and the fact that we shared strength and conditions.

1219
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 3: Quite a bit.

1220
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 2: In my era, we trained the rugby league players trained

1221
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 2: like middle distance runners. We're now speed and power. Yeah,

1222
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 2: that's more where the biases and they get their football

1223
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 2: fitness from wrestling. Yeah. Yeah, you've seen more and more

1224
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 2: similarities all the time. Halftime in that Super Bowl was

1225
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 2: Bruno Mars and Redolf Chili Peppers. I'm curious here, combinations

1226
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 2: just when I'm out there and I've been to a

1227
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 2: Super Bowl and I think to myself, you know, when

1228
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 2: they're out and you've got some of the most iconic

1229
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 2: artists and concerts of all time, you too, Bruce Springsteon,

1230
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 2: did any of the boys sort of stick the head

1231
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: out and have a look.

1232
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. Well, it's crazy because you know, locker rooms

1233
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 3: are so deep underground, Like I think the only ones

1234
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 3: we kind of it was Katy Perry because we went

1235
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 3: to the Super Bowl the next year as well, and

1236
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 3: last I think she might have played there Beyonce one

1237
00:56:58,440 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 3: of them, but it was like, you feel the way

1238
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 3: brief is coming down. It obviously depends on which stadium

1239
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 3: or whatever. But I've been going to NFL and college

1240
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 3: games obviously since I retired, and those were some of

1241
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 3: the first times I've ever seen like the whole like

1242
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 3: what a game looks like, because you know, you go

1243
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 3: in at Alabama, you're bust in like private like secret

1244
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 3: service escorts. You don't go in, you're out before ready

1245
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 3: play the game, Boom, you're out, bust gone, don't see anyone,

1246
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 3: they don't see you. That's it. Yeah, people are like, oh,

1247
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 3: what are the you know, what are the other stadiums?

1248
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 3: Like I'm like, I got no clue, bro I look

1249
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 3: like I know what a hotel room looks like, and

1250
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 3: I know what the bus looks like. That's it.

1251
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: Did sell have many like celebrity fans. I feel like actors, musicians,

1252
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: they all linked to one.

1253
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 3: Every team does we had. I remember when we flew

1254
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 3: to the Super Bowl, Macklemore sat in front of me

1255
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 3: on the team plane. I don't know how he got

1256
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 3: on there. Well, Mac, I know mckimore was there. Jermaine

1257
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 3: Curse was close with, like Alan Stone, which is a

1258
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 3: killer singer. We had like Kenny Chesney came out to practice,

1259
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 3: Drake came out to practice, and they just I don't know,

1260
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 3: They're just around all the time. And Chris Pratt, Ryan

1261
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 3: Wilson is one of them. Chris Pratt. Yeah, I'm a

1262
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 3: big country music fan, so like obviously, Zach Top just

1263
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 3: did the national anthem at the NFC Championship, which was killer.

1264
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 3: I would have loved to have been there for the

1265
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 3: Chris Stapleton national anthem. That would He's so good. I

1266
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 3: saw him live here last year.

1267
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: He's unbelievable, one of the great voices. Yeah, dad doesn't

1268
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: like countries.

1269
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 2: I know, I love I love old country.

1270
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kenny Rodgers, Alan Jackson, Alan Jackson, Yeah, Michael Jackson,

1271
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 3: different type of countries.

1272
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 2: Jason Brown, Jess, You've had such an unbelievable career. The

1273
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 2: things you've achieved have been remarkable. You've got so much

1274
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 2: to give, like you so much experience. You know, we're

1275
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 2: a little yarn about you know what, what what's the

1276
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 2: next for you? But you know what, what are you

1277
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 2: looking to do?

1278
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 3: Well? So we've been doing it for the past four years,

1279
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 3: you know, really just trying to set up a very

1280
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 3: passionate around young men development. You know, I didn't get

1281
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 3: a lot as a young man, being an Indigenous man,

1282
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 3: especially in sports. There's not a lot of good opportunities.

1283
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 3: I still feel like now there's like still not a lot,

1284
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 3: you know. I know that rugby like league and union,

1285
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 3: AFL like pathways again like clogged up to that many kids,

1286
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 3: you know, and working heavily in the US, so much

1287
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 3: attention coming this way for athletes. So we've had a

1288
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 3: program for four years. We've done combines all around Australia.

1289
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 3: We have a facility in Brisbane, we work with facilities

1290
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 3: in Sydney. But my biggest thing is not trying to

1291
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 3: get guys to the NFL. It's trying to continue their education,

1292
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 3: get kids college degrees and get them to school programs

1293
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 3: in the US where they can actually be successful and

1294
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 3: get the development they need to, you know, because I

1295
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 3: would never have gone to university in Australia. There's not

1296
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 3: a chance, yea. And for me to have my two

1297
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 3: degrees now and what I look like and be able

1298
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 3: to speak and be in influence and speak with conviction

1299
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 3: when I go speak to young men in communities or

1300
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 3: you know, sports teams or whatever. But that that that's

1301
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 3: where we're pushing at the moment. You know, Elite Pacific

1302
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 3: Sports is that brand, and we're kind of just trying

1303
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 3: to make a program developed around young man. If they

1304
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 3: go to the US, they're ready to go. If they

1305
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 3: don't go, they're going to be a positive addition to

1306
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 3: the community here. It's going to create a bit more

1307
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 3: lasting change, more so than you know, making a little

1308
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 3: bit of money and you know, trying to play league

1309
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 3: or trying to do something. Come back if they're too

1310
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 3: big for league or they don't make it, there's another

1311
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 3: opportunity where guys can have a bit of purpose and

1312
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 3: try and get somewhere and do something with their life.

1313
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 2: He saw that with Jordan, he was too big. They

1314
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 2: simply went across. I think he went across. He was

1315
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 2: playing about one hundred.

1316
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 3: And thirty five kilos, just too big for Abu League.

1317
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 2: Then he went to the NFL and they said we're

1318
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 2: gonna have to put him.

1319
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: How did you have that same problem? Like did you

1320
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: play league growing up?

1321
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 3: No? No, I played basketball basketball. Yeah, yeah, so my

1322
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 3: mum was really good at basketball, and I was just

1323
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 3: all in basketball the whole time. I think it's more

1324
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 3: like a I don't know a lot of people from

1325
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 3: TODs straight play, but obviously Paddy Mills from same area

1326
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 3: and whatnot. But yeah, it was all basketball. That's where

1327
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 3: I got like my coordination and like my explosiveness I

1328
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 3: guess was from that. But that and I've spoken to

1329
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 3: the Rugby League Players Association. I've spoken to many teams about, hey,

1330
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 3: all these kids that fall out of these programs, like

1331
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty kilo, one hundred and sixty kilo

1332
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 3: kids like kids are too big, Like most of these

1333
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 3: kids in two months, they're going to be scaffolding or

1334
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 3: they're gonna be working five FI or something like that.

1335
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, let me give them a second chance of

1336
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 3: their life and be able to use their body and

1337
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 3: their brain to do something positive. We've had a lot

1338
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 3: of kickback because everyone thinks I'm just stealing kids where

1339
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 3: those kids are never going to play, Like there's just

1340
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 3: note like they're just too big for the sport. But

1341
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 3: the teams just keep them around just to keep them around,

1342
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 3: And I'm like, man, I'm like, we're just wasting this

1343
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 3: kids years. I'm like, let me get out of here,

1344
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

1345
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 2: So a lot of that, they get kids and they

1346
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 2: stop all of them. Yeah, and then what happens to

1347
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 2: the ones that let go?

1348
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 3: Yeah? I was I pushed very hard on them with

1349
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 3: the NRL and a lot of teams. I was getting

1350
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,959
Speaker 3: a lot of friction because I'm like, the suicide raiding

1351
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 3: the kids that don't make the NRL is extremely high,

1352
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 3: especially if they're Polynesian Indigenous, because there's so much external

1353
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 3: pressure on them. And I was like, you've got that

1354
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 3: mixed with all these kids that are now the game

1355
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 3: has gotten so much more cardio and athletic that they're

1356
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,439
Speaker 3: just getting sized out. I'm like, what are you doing

1357
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 3: with them? And if you won't let me get them,

1358
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 3: then whose fault is it? You know? And like most

1359
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 3: of our kids now they see one post of our

1360
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 3: kids and it's like all of them are bigger than me,

1361
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 3: and I'm like, there's zero chance you're playing rugby league. Brother,

1362
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 3: I'll tell you right now, but I said, I could

1363
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 3: turn you around to offensive guard and you can stay

1364
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 3: exactly how you are and use whatever guard given gifts

1365
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 3: you got, and you can go in three months to

1366
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 3: a school. You know. So that's kind of the angle

1367
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 3: we've been pushing around, not really taking guys, but just

1368
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 3: trying to add longevity to their educational and sporting career

1369
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 3: through like an actual pathway, not just like stick around

1370
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 3: and try and play whatever state level league until someone

1371
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 3: sees you and signs, you know.

1372
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,919
Speaker 1: And I mean, I feel like half the battle would

1373
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: be like kids, not even college football NFL it seems

1374
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 1: out of reach, but like, yeah, you and Jordan, you

1375
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: guys are great examples that. Like's if you work hard,

1376
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: like even if you're not making it to the NFL,

1377
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: if you go over and just experience college life, get

1378
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: to play American football over there, that's.

1379
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 3: Amazing money in college too, now, yeah, you know what

1380
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 3: I mean. And like it's crazy that I talk to

1381
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 3: Division one schools every almost every day and junior college

1382
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 3: and high schools, and like I've gotten kids scholarships. I

1383
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 3: take a photo with every kid because everyone knows me,

1384
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 3: and I'm like, this a ruler for them, so I

1385
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 3: take a photo. If they're bigger than me, I'm like,

1386
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 3: I'll get your scholarship, So give me two sensor photos

1387
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 3: out now and like, And we don't do that as

1388
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 3: much now with kids, Like we have a good system

1389
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 3: set up, or we do film and we highlight their

1390
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 3: athletic abilities and they're testing data and their grades and

1391
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 3: all that sort of crap. But like, the opportunities right

1392
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 3: now is as high as it's ever been, Like, way

1393
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 3: more than I would ever have expected. Like schools are

1394
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 3: like head coaches of schools will message me saying, hey,

1395
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 3: send me which guys you got, Like which is absurd?

1396
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 3: You know, similar to pro Kick in Melbourne. We just

1397
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 3: do all the other positions. We kind of work closely together.

1398
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 3: They're great guys and we don't touch any kickers, so

1399
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 3: it works well. But they would say the same thing

1400
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 3: that the need and the want right now for big

1401
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 3: guys is just like it's absurd. Well, i'll tell you

1402
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 3: what you know.

1403
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 2: I say there, yes, you know, I listen to your

1404
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 2: talk and you're such a great advertisement for college because

1405
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 2: it's amazing. Yeah, the college system you can see is

1406
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 2: just so important to the fabric of American culture because

1407
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 2: how articulately you are, the way you talk, it's just

1408
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 2: such a great grounding, not just in sport, but just

1409
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 2: in education.

1410
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, And I think that's where the gap is

1411
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 3: in Australia because I see a lot of kids. I'm like,

1412
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 3: it's awesome to be an amazing athlete, but you might

1413
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:52,919
Speaker 3: have five years left, Like what are we going to do? Yeah,

1414
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, what type of I've always

1415
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 3: been a huge African? What type of man am I

1416
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 3: going to be? Like? What am I adding to and

1417
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 3: what am I subtracting from here? And a lot of

1418
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 3: these kids, it's so short minded thinking someone's going to

1419
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 3: walk past the house and come knock on the door

1420
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 3: and be like, hey, you made it to the NFL.

1421
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 3: Let's go from here, you know, Like it just doesn't happen.

1422
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 3: But I think there is a lot of want from

1423
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 3: that age group of kids and athletes to have some

1424
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 3: sort of purpose and drive towards something, And I just

1425
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 3: don't see it around in like the ecosystem of sport

1426
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 3: in Australia, And I'm like, not with the resources of

1427
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 3: the US. Yeah, like these Division one schools. If you signed,

1428
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 3: they'll fly you and your family over right now, Like

1429
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 3: give them two days, they'll book flights and you'll be

1430
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 3: at school. We're here. It's like, is the anaurall gonna

1431
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 3: fly a family across the world to get something, you

1432
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 3: know what I mean, and then pay for half a

1433
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 3: million dollar degree year place to live and pay you

1434
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 3: money every month. Like it's just not heard of. So

1435
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 3: not that we do it for that, but I do

1436
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 3: think that it's given a good shot to kids that

1437
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 3: you know, probably feel like they're out of bullets in Australia.

1438
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 2: Jesse, your class act mate, Congratulations are a remarkable career

1439
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 2: and make good luck in this in this next step,

1440
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 2: makee good on you and it's I know that all

1441
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 2: the people in the Hunter Valley will be thrilled to

1442
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 2: have you part of the community.

1443
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 3: Appreciate it. I'll be flowing around. I'm hard to miss

1444
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 3: as well.