WEBVTT - ‘A viper’s nest’: How Karen Webb became top cop

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<v Speaker 1>From Shorts Media. I'm Ashlyn McGee. This is seven AM.

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<v Speaker 1>The tasering of a ninety five year old grandmother, the

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<v Speaker 1>double murder of a Surrey Hills couple, the Bruce Lherman

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<v Speaker 1>defamation trial, and now the spike in domestic violence. These

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<v Speaker 1>have been some of the biggest stories in Australia over

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<v Speaker 1>the past twelve months, and all of them have drawn

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<v Speaker 1>in this one very powerful woman, Karen Webb, the commissioner

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<v Speaker 1>of New South Wales Police. The veteran cops found herself

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<v Speaker 1>at press conferences and interviews having to defend herself and

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<v Speaker 1>the force to a national audience. Today, senior reporter for

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<v Speaker 1>the Saturday Paper, Rick Morton on who Karen Webb really

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<v Speaker 1>is and how she climbed her way through the viper's

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<v Speaker 1>nest of the New South Wales Police Force. It's Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>May tenth, Rick, People all around the country would have

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<v Speaker 1>been seeing a whole lot more of New South Wales

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<v Speaker 1>Police Commissioner Karen Webb than they're probably used to, So

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<v Speaker 1>to start with, took me through the events that have

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<v Speaker 1>thrust her into the spotlight.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess unless you're a seasoned cop watcher,

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<v Speaker 2>the name Karen Webb really didn't mean anything to you,

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<v Speaker 2>except for maybe a few grabs on the nightly news

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<v Speaker 2>during her first year as new South Wealth Commissioner. But

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<v Speaker 2>I guess you can probably say that people started to

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<v Speaker 2>feel a lot more of a almost exactly a year

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<v Speaker 2>ago around this time in May last year, when the

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<v Speaker 2>ninety five year old great grandmother, Claire Nolan was tased

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly by New South Wales Police officer and she died

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<v Speaker 2>a week later in hospital.

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<v Speaker 3>The elderly woman who was tasered by a New South

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<v Speaker 3>Wales Police officer in the state Snowy Mountains region has

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<v Speaker 3>died in hospital. The announcement came just hours after the

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<v Speaker 3>officer who tasered her at her nursing home in Koma

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<v Speaker 3>was charged.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Karen Webb, who's been in the job really just

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<v Speaker 2>for a year at this point, found herself very early

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<v Speaker 2>on defending not only obviously the conduct to the alleged

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<v Speaker 2>conduct of her own offices, but also the early media

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<v Speaker 2>release that was drafted by the New South Wales Police

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<v Speaker 2>media team and the former spin doctor there, Liz Degan,

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<v Speaker 2>and approved by the Deputy Commissioner David Hudson, which went

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<v Speaker 2>out to journalists to indicate that something had gone on

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<v Speaker 2>in Cuma at the nursing home there, but that release

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<v Speaker 2>made no mention whatsoever or the fact that a taser

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<v Speaker 2>police tayser had been deployed, and it made no mention

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<v Speaker 2>of the fact that an officer's employment was at that

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<v Speaker 2>point currently under review.

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<v Speaker 4>Like start by saying that we all care for and

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<v Speaker 4>share the concerns for what happened to missus Nolland in.

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<v Speaker 2>Cuma, and later said that this was because Nolan's large

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<v Speaker 2>extended family had not been informed of the manner in

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<v Speaker 2>which she had been hospitalized and that police did not

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<v Speaker 2>want that family learning of it from the media.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, firstly, there is a need, with immediate need, that

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<v Speaker 4>the family were notified first, and that was respect for

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<v Speaker 4>the family. They've got a big family that is dispersed

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<v Speaker 4>around New South Wales and other places, and that took

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<v Speaker 4>some time.

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<v Speaker 2>But of course senior officers had already attended the hospital

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<v Speaker 2>where Claire Nolan was at that point, and later that

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<v Speaker 2>week on a Saturday morning, Web again found herself right

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the media spotlight during this investigation

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<v Speaker 2>when she was asked whether she should watch the bodycam

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<v Speaker 2>footage and webtold reporters that that may twenty press confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really intend to know.

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<v Speaker 4>I've heard what's in the body worn and I don't

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<v Speaker 4>see it necessary that I actually view it now.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course that made a lot of people very angry,

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<v Speaker 2>because it seemed to them to suggest a commissioner who

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<v Speaker 2>just didn't want to see for herself the cold, hard

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<v Speaker 2>reality of what had happened. Her defenders say that she

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<v Speaker 2>was actually just trying to project this kind of impartial

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<v Speaker 2>confidence in the investigative process, and that if she had

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<v Speaker 2>to make a decision, she didn't want that to have

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<v Speaker 2>been I guess infected by any of you that she

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<v Speaker 2>might have formed by watching that footage. But really, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the first moment that she burst onto the public

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<v Speaker 2>consciousness as the commissioner for the country's largest and oldest

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<v Speaker 2>police force.

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<v Speaker 5>Evening the bodies of Jessebaird and Luke Davies have finally

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<v Speaker 5>been found a week after the couple disappeared from a

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<v Speaker 5>Paddington home, and then.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course after that, she becomes embroiled in more national

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<v Speaker 2>global stories, including the alleged double murder of a couple

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<v Speaker 2>in Surrey Hills. Buyer serving police officer.

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<v Speaker 3>Why did it take you three days to front up

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<v Speaker 3>over an alleged double murder involving one of your own.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, dep as you point out, there's been a

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<v Speaker 4>very active investigation and it's only been today that we've

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<v Speaker 4>located the bodies of Jesse and Luke.

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<v Speaker 2>Then a spin doctor becoming embroiled in the Bruce Lherman defamation.

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<v Speaker 5>Trial and breaking news, and the senior media advisor just

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<v Speaker 5>hired by the New South Wales Police Force has lost

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<v Speaker 5>the job before he even got started.

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<v Speaker 4>The appointment the former Channel.

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<v Speaker 5>Seven journalist Steve Jackson on an interim basis has been

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<v Speaker 5>marred by controversy.

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<v Speaker 2>This fad of stabbing attacks in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 4>About three point thirty this afternoon, mail with the knife

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<v Speaker 4>entered the Westfield shopping center at Bondi Junction.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course, the greatest ongoing rolling crisis in policing,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the spike in domestic violence, including the alleged

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<v Speaker 2>murder of Molly Tyhurst in New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 5>The Premier has ordered an urgent review of New South

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<v Speaker 5>Wales bail laws following this week's murder of Forbes mother

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<v Speaker 5>Molly Tyshurst. Her accused killer was freed by a court

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<v Speaker 5>earlier this month, a decision made by a registrar who

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<v Speaker 5>was standing in for a magistrate, all of.

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<v Speaker 2>Which happened in April.

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<v Speaker 1>In so many of these stories, Karen Webb's becomes such

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<v Speaker 1>a public figure and she's really copped it from some

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<v Speaker 1>sections of the media and the public. Why do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that is Rick?

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<v Speaker 2>She just hasn't really played the game that so many

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<v Speaker 2>of her predecessors have played, which is courting particularly the

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<v Speaker 2>right wing conservative media. We're talking talkback radio station two GB,

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<v Speaker 2>the Daily Telegraph, which is the major daily tabloid in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 2>She hasn't really done that in the way that her

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<v Speaker 2>predecessors Mick Fuller and Andrew Scippioni did. But there's also

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<v Speaker 2>no doubt that some of her woes have been self inflicted. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>if you go back to the double murder of the

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<v Speaker 2>Surrey Hills couple, which happened right on the eve of

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<v Speaker 2>Mardi Gras, you've got all this tension between the police

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<v Speaker 2>and the queer community, and you've got this horrific act

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<v Speaker 2>of violence which is allegedly conducted by one of their

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<v Speaker 2>own officers. And Karen again comes under increasing media scrutiny

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<v Speaker 2>about why she's remained quiet apparently so long into this investigation,

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<v Speaker 2>and then comes out and is asked about all of

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff on breakfast television, and she invokes the touring

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<v Speaker 2>megapopstar Taylor Swift to say, you know, haters are going

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<v Speaker 2>to hate.

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<v Speaker 4>There will always be haters like to hate. Isn't that

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<v Speaker 4>what Taylor says? But I've got a job to do.

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<v Speaker 4>As I said, it's a big job. This is just

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<v Speaker 4>one of many jobs. We actually had seven excuse me,

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<v Speaker 4>seven murders last week.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course it's just so tone deaf in the

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<v Speaker 2>context to what has just happened.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm the commissioner, like I said, the haters are going

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<v Speaker 4>to hate, and I've got the confidence of the minister

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<v Speaker 4>and the Premier, and I've got a job to do.

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<v Speaker 4>And really, as I said, the important thing this is

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<v Speaker 4>really about these families and not just the families, the

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<v Speaker 4>friends and the gay community.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course this then segues into another element of

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<v Speaker 2>the criticism, which is that Karen Webb doesn't know how

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<v Speaker 2>to handle the media and has therefore blamed her own

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<v Speaker 2>spin doctors for letting her down. So Liz Deegan, who

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<v Speaker 2>we mentioned help draft the Claire nol and Taser police

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<v Speaker 2>media release. She's been sacked by Karen Webb and now

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<v Speaker 2>there's a new advice of being brought in in the

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<v Speaker 2>process of being hired. He's basically signed the documents they're

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<v Speaker 2>doing final checks in his name, Steve Jackson, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>just about to start when he gets dragged in by

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<v Speaker 2>a bitter former colleague, Taylor Orbach, who signs an affidavit

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<v Speaker 2>several apidavids in the defamation proceedings involving Bruce Lehman and

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<v Speaker 2>Channel ten. All Back makes no secret of the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that he hates Steve Jackson and has been background in

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<v Speaker 2>media about Steve Jackson's appointment to the three hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars a year job in Karen Webb's office, and Steve

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson's position is then terminated. This is her fourth spin

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<v Speaker 2>doctor since she became commissioner in early twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 2>and now after Steve Jackson was terminated, she is onto

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<v Speaker 2>her fifth chief media advisor in just two years, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is just a temporary appointment.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So she clearly has a bit of a media problem.

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<v Speaker 1>She doesn't have good relationships with her media advisors or

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<v Speaker 1>journalists by the sound of it. But parking that for

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<v Speaker 1>a moment, what kind of police commissioner is she?

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<v Speaker 2>So this is where things get really interesting. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>oldest police force in the country, as I mentioned, and

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<v Speaker 2>she is the first woman commissioner in its one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and sixty year history. And there is this still after

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<v Speaker 2>all these decades, this huge cultural and policy ship that

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<v Speaker 2>needs to happen. And in saying all of that, she's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of come into this position against two other blokes

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<v Speaker 2>who were vying for the top job. She's got it unexpectedly,

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<v Speaker 2>and to rise through what many people call the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of viper's nest of the internal politicking to get those

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<v Speaker 2>top jobs is both an achievement and also a source

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<v Speaker 2>of ongoing ammunition I guess for people who want to

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<v Speaker 2>bring it down.

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<v Speaker 1>After the break, What does Karen Webbs rise through a

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<v Speaker 1>viper's nest? Tell us about the kind of police officer

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<v Speaker 1>she is? So rick this job of New South Wales

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<v Speaker 1>Police commissioner. You've said that being in that seat can

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<v Speaker 1>expose you to a bit of a viper's nest. Tell

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<v Speaker 1>me more about why that's the reputation.

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<v Speaker 2>The job this is what I'm really interested about in

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<v Speaker 2>this story. Like you know, there's really no one in

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<v Speaker 2>politics who knows that better than Federal Green Senator and

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<v Speaker 2>former New South Wales Upper House Member David Shubridge, who

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<v Speaker 2>was actually involved in this series of ongoing inquiries into

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<v Speaker 2>the newth Health Police Force, and he said to me,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, some of the most unprincipled and aggressive internal

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<v Speaker 2>politics that I've ever seen occurs in the upper reaches

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<v Speaker 2>of the New South Wales Police Force. The biggest example

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<v Speaker 2>of this really, and it was kind of consumed so

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<v Speaker 2>much of my early career when I was working in

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney for mainstream newspapers, was the tussle for succession that

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<v Speaker 2>happened when Andrew Scippioni was commissioner, and he was commissioner

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<v Speaker 2>for ten years from two thousand and seven. Now he

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<v Speaker 2>kind of had two popular choices for successor. His anointed

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<v Speaker 2>successor was cat Burn, who at one time headed the

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<v Speaker 2>Internal Investigations Unit. She had a counter terrorism which is

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<v Speaker 2>an important string in the bow of anyone who wants

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<v Speaker 2>to lead the New Forth Health Police Force. But also

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<v Speaker 2>she was going head to head it essentially with another

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<v Speaker 2>Deputy Commissioner, Nick Caldas, and to say that there was

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<v Speaker 2>bad blood between them doesn't really do it justice. They

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<v Speaker 2>hated each other. The main source of anger between the

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<v Speaker 2>two of them is two thousand Sydney Olympics. The city's

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<v Speaker 2>on show. Everyone's having the time of their lives, so

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<v Speaker 2>I've been told I watched it at home in Queensland.

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<v Speaker 2>But everyone was apparently very happy and the city was

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<v Speaker 2>very proud of itself. But at that time, in September

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand, there is a secret warrant drawn up. It's

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<v Speaker 2>called the Bell Warrant to secretly tape bug and otherwise

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<v Speaker 2>record covertly one hundred and twelve serving police officers and

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<v Speaker 2>two civilians by this kind of Operation Mascot. Now the

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<v Speaker 2>team leader of Operation Mascot in the Internal Division of

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<v Speaker 2>the New South Wales Police Force was cap Burnt. She

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<v Speaker 2>was involved in authorizing this warrant. She had people more

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<v Speaker 2>senior people above who were her bosses, but she was

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<v Speaker 2>the team leader. One of the forty six people who

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<v Speaker 2>were named on that one who should never have been

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<v Speaker 2>on that warrant because there was no valid reason for

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<v Speaker 2>them to have been on that warrant was Nick Kyldos.

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<v Speaker 2>Both of them became Jeoparty commissioners. Both of them have

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<v Speaker 2>hated each other ever since. Cap Burne previously said that

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<v Speaker 2>she had a reasonable suspicion that he was involved in corruption,

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<v Speaker 2>which she admitted under parliamentary inquiries Deputy chaired by David

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<v Speaker 2>Hubridge that that is now false and she accepts that

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<v Speaker 2>that was a false suspicion, but she said that she

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<v Speaker 2>held it reasonably at the time. And Caldice of course

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<v Speaker 2>says that cap burn used the secret power of that

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<v Speaker 2>job to bring down her enemies and the enemies of

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<v Speaker 2>her allies. He was cleared completely by that inquiry Deputy

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<v Speaker 2>chaired by Schuebridge. His name should never have been on

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<v Speaker 2>that warrant. The warrant was not validly held and it

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<v Speaker 2>became this weeping saw within New Southwest Police that just

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<v Speaker 2>never closed. Cawdice leaves the force very shortly after the

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<v Speaker 2>parliamentary inquiry. Cat Burne stays but doesn't get the top job.

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<v Speaker 2>That goes to a guy called Fuller. So the two

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<v Speaker 2>big contenders are just they're gone. And Mick Fuller reigned Supreme.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's quite a lot of drama for Mick Fuller

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<v Speaker 1>getting to the top job. Is there as much drama

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<v Speaker 1>to the story of Karen Webb getting to the top job.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, there was never not going to be right,

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<v Speaker 2>So Mick Fuller. There are those who believe that Mick

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<v Speaker 2>Fuller had his own favorites, as you tend to do

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<v Speaker 2>when you're in those jobs. Now, Mick Fuller also apparently

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<v Speaker 2>broke what is unwritten convention within the New South Wales

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<v Speaker 2>Police is that if you know you're going, and he did.

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<v Speaker 2>He'd announced his retirement by April twenty twenty two and

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<v Speaker 2>it was eventually brought forward. But he knew he was going,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the twelve months before he left, he installed

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of people to very powerful positions. He elevated

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<v Speaker 2>people to assistant and deputy commissioner levels across the force.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that's a pretty big no no, because the idea

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<v Speaker 2>is that you're meant to leave those positions for the

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<v Speaker 2>next commissioner to shape the force they want. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the people that he promoted was Mick Willing. And so

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<v Speaker 2>Mick Willing is this big figure. He's been groomed for

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<v Speaker 2>the job, according to people who know him, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was the only name out of the three candidates, including

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<v Speaker 2>Karen Webb that actually went forward on the six person

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<v Speaker 2>panel as the preferred candidate for the Commissioner of New

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<v Speaker 2>South Wales Police Now. Despite the panel's recommendation, the top

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<v Speaker 2>job has always been a political appointment, and the New

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<v Speaker 2>South Wales Premier Dominic Perrote, who was lobbied very hard

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<v Speaker 2>to pick Willing, including apparently by the broadcaster Alan Jones.

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<v Speaker 2>In one account that was given to me, Paraite wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to go with someone different and he chose Web Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Very soon after she was appointed, web tears up Mick

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<v Speaker 2>Willim's contract. It's a deputy commissioner still, she says, she

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<v Speaker 2>phones him, and the version of the story I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>from multiple people that she's phoned him to explain that

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<v Speaker 2>he would no longer be employed by the force, that

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<v Speaker 2>she didn't have to give him a reason, but that

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<v Speaker 2>he's not part of the future. And his email was

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<v Speaker 2>shut off about half an hour later, So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the main rivals of Karen Webb is effectively gone.

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<v Speaker 2>So's surprise pick. And there's some messiveness around how she

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<v Speaker 2>gets into the top job, but almost everyone I spoke

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<v Speaker 2>to agree that she's a generational change in the type

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<v Speaker 2>of leader that New South Wales Police has had in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of her beliefs as a police officer. I think

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<v Speaker 2>they're very important given the context that we've had this

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<v Speaker 2>recent spate of violence, gendered violence against women, and she

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<v Speaker 2>has from the very first day in the job, but

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<v Speaker 2>also throughout her career, has made this one of her focuses.

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<v Speaker 2>She calls it the silent scourge of domestic violence, which

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<v Speaker 2>now when she talks to people in her own force

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<v Speaker 2>around the state, generally makes up about sixty percent of

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<v Speaker 2>general duties policing across New South Wales, so it is

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest thing they do and I do I do

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<v Speaker 2>believe that she cares about it and that change can happen.

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<v Speaker 2>How quickly, how much, how soon, we don't know. And

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<v Speaker 2>almost immediately after finishing writing this story, an officer in

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<v Speaker 2>New South Wales was charged with stalking and intimidated offenses

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<v Speaker 2>and illegally accessing information within the News of Police database,

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<v Speaker 2>which just kind of goes to show that there is

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<v Speaker 2>this ongoing problem and it lives everywhere, including within the force.

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<v Speaker 1>That came web now leads So Rick, whether the version

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<v Speaker 1>that we're seeing playing out is sort of the I

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<v Speaker 1>guess a fair representation of the type of police force

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<v Speaker 1>she wants to be running or not. Put that to

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<v Speaker 1>one side. There is no doubt that some sections of

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<v Speaker 1>the community are really unhappy with New South Wales Police.

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<v Speaker 1>Just how seriously do you think she has to take that?

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<v Speaker 1>How seriously does New South Wales Police have to take that?

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<v Speaker 2>I think they have to take it very seriously, because

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you see this in examples around the world,

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<v Speaker 2>but also in various studies and whatnot. Power just exerted

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<v Speaker 2>for its own sake does not work, and so you

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<v Speaker 2>can't just have a force that rules wide decree, right.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't have cops just turn up and arrest people

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<v Speaker 2>or lock them up because someone swore at them. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's what we see happening all the time. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think someone Karen Web needs to take that very seriously

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<v Speaker 2>because we are living in an extraordinary ear I think,

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<v Speaker 2>where people are not inclined to trust institutions full stop,

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<v Speaker 2>and certainly not ones with runs on the board when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to systemically or otherwise violating the rights of

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<v Speaker 2>the people they're meant to be protecting. Thanks for your time, Rick,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Ash appreciate it. Also in the news today,

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<v Speaker 2>the federal government is facing criticism for its newly unveiled

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<v Speaker 2>gas led transition plan, with some Labor backbenchers raising concern

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<v Speaker 2>that Australia needs to be moving away from fossil fuels.

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<v Speaker 2>Labour's future gas strategy includes initiatives to increase the extraction

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<v Speaker 2>of gas and promotes controversial carbon capture and storage measures.

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<v Speaker 3>And the Northern Territory could be getting an AFL team

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<v Speaker 3>within the next decade, according to a business case published

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<v Speaker 3>by the AFL and the NT government. The report outlines

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<v Speaker 3>aspirations for a Darwin City stadium where an NTAFL team

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<v Speaker 3>would be based.

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