Speaker 1: Lucky dip time. It's lucky dip time. You're lucky, lucky
Speaker 1: lucky dip. T Come take a dip with us, dip
Speaker 1: with us, Come for a skinny dip. It's Mail and Monty.
Speaker 1: Have you have his skinny dipped mal?
Speaker 2: No, I haven't.
Speaker 1: I haven't either.
Speaker 2: You know what, I should put that on an actual
Speaker 2: bucket list.
Speaker 1: To skinny dip.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: How liberating to go down to the beach at nighttime,
Speaker 1: which I'd never get into the water at nighttime, No
Speaker 1: I would, but to like take off your clothes and
Speaker 1: skinny dip. It's such a scene of Jaws speaking of
Speaker 1: people having a naked dip. Sam took Odie down that
Speaker 1: he takes him down to the beach most mornings. There
Speaker 1: was a couple about one hundred meters away from him
Speaker 1: making out so hectically. Sam was like, and Sam and
Speaker 1: a friend with there, like, oh my god, look at
Speaker 1: them go for it. They get up and go behind
Speaker 1: the dunes. Oh, so clearly they've gone to root, come
Speaker 1: back butt naked and get in the water.
Speaker 2: Okay, there'd be a trail should be leaving them, but
Speaker 2: oh god.
Speaker 1: Like a snail so funny, you don't see that every day,
Speaker 1: do you. I was like, it's a fun day at
Speaker 1: the beach for you, fun morning.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think they should have started behind the dunes.
Speaker 2: If you want to get your kicks that way, knock
Speaker 2: yourself out. But they probably didn't know the kissing was
Speaker 2: going to lead to it. Also, it was morning time.
Speaker 2: I said to them, they must have been out all night,
Speaker 2: because it's seven in the morning. You're not going down
Speaker 2: the beach to just make out with somebody root behind
Speaker 2: the dunes and getting the water. Nah, you're not. I mean,
Speaker 2: they definitely wouldn't have brushed their teeth, That's what.
Speaker 1: I was thinking. Oh all of that disgusting.
Speaker 2: Brush those chompers too.
Speaker 1: Seriously, all right, what have you got for lucky dip today?
Speaker 2: I have a little fascinating story, right, Okay, so it's
Speaker 2: going a fair way back. But in eighteen fifty.
Speaker 1: Nine, who we are going back a bit.
Speaker 2: This seventy year old doctor named doctor James Barry had
Speaker 2: been practicing medicine for like over forty years, had become
Speaker 2: ill in London or whatever, and the medical Board forced
Speaker 2: him to retire. This was distressing to him and a
Speaker 2: few days later he died. They did an autopsy and
Speaker 2: they found that doctor James Barry was a woman. Oh,
Speaker 2: listen to this.
Speaker 1: Back then, that would have been very It wouldn't have
Speaker 1: even been a thing.
Speaker 2: This is not what you think. This is like one
Speaker 2: of those stories that makes you think things are not
Speaker 2: where they should be when it comes to gender equality.
Speaker 2: But fuck, they have come very far. So. Doctor James
Speaker 2: Barry was born Margaret Ann Bulkley in seventeen eighty nine
Speaker 2: in Ireland. But back then women were not allowed to
Speaker 2: train to become doctors. They were not allowed to be
Speaker 2: doctors at all. So in order to become a doctor,
Speaker 2: she started dressing like a man, cut her hair and
Speaker 2: changed her name to doctor James Barry. She was one
Speaker 2: of the first people to perform a successful cesarean Wow,
Speaker 2: where the mother and baby both survived. Right this whole time,
Speaker 2: nobody knew that she was a woman.
Speaker 1: Wow, what a fucking legend.
Speaker 2: She traveled the world, like working in war zones with
Speaker 2: you know, like soldiers that had been injured and stuff,
Speaker 2: because that was not an opportunity for a woman. The
Speaker 2: lengths this person had to go through to do this,
Speaker 2: is that not unbelievable? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Wow, it's just yeah, it does show you how far
Speaker 1: we have come, even though we are so fucking far
Speaker 1: from where we need to be. But yeah, to go, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to do this. It makes you wonder if
Speaker 1: anyone else did it, any other females did it, But
Speaker 1: I guess not. It wouldn't be that common because you
Speaker 1: wouldn't like to even have the thinking to go, I'm
Speaker 1: going to do this. This is so it would have
Speaker 1: been completely illegal, but just to go, I'm going to
Speaker 1: do this. I'm going to address as a guy. I'm
Speaker 1: going to pretend I'm a guy and I'm going to
Speaker 1: do what I actually want to do in life, Like
Speaker 1: how full on? So also why yeah, just for them
Speaker 1: to do the autopsy to then realize that, imagine the
Speaker 1: person who did the autopsy, who took down the pants
Speaker 1: and are like, that's not a dick.
Speaker 2: And it's not like she was interchanging, like living as
Speaker 2: Margaret sometimes and then living as doctor James Barry.
Speaker 1: It is just that at home she might have been No,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: A complete like her identity, nobody knew. I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't even think the parents knew. I think she just
Speaker 2: like disappeared.
Speaker 1: Do you like, I wonder what her voice was like
Speaker 1: people just were probably like, oh, it's a guy with
Speaker 1: a high voice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess you. I mean, what a testament if
Speaker 2: you want something badly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, imagine.
Speaker 2: The effort, even the voice. Imagine being so conscious of
Speaker 2: bringing your voice down lower to sound more masculine.
Speaker 1: But that's what people have to do.
Speaker 2: Now, Well, there's hormones to do that.
Speaker 1: So he's also very It's still like sometimes you can
Speaker 1: still really tell, and it can be one of the
Speaker 1: hardest things for trans is because they look and feel
Speaker 1: like a woman, but they've got a really deep voice.
Speaker 1: Even if they have that, you can have the vocal
Speaker 1: operation and everything. Yeah, does it still doesn't sometimes convert
Speaker 1: your voice right over to what you want it to be.
Speaker 2: No, well, I think I didn't think of I actually
Speaker 2: automatically thought of a woman transitioning to a man. I
Speaker 2: don't even know if that language is right. Sorry, if
Speaker 2: that's offensive, I don't mean to be. But that like
Speaker 2: if you start taking testosterone, like if your testosterone levels
Speaker 2: are too high, if you're taking HRT right and your
Speaker 2: testosterone levels are too high, then it can alter your voice.
Speaker 2: And that doesn't change, that doesn't go back. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: you know, I think it's easier if you're going that way.
Speaker 2: I didn't actually think of if you're going the other way. Yes,
Speaker 2: from male to female.
Speaker 1: Such a beautiful documentary that everyone should watch. It's Will
Speaker 1: for Out. Have you seen it with trailer? You know what?
Speaker 1: Everyone needs to watch this documentary. And we watched it
Speaker 1: with my thirteen year old son backs. It's called Will
Speaker 1: and Harper and it's Will Pharal with his buddy who
Speaker 1: he used to work with. It's Saturday Night Live for
Speaker 1: years and years, and they just were so close. And
Speaker 1: at the time it was Andrew who has transitioned over
Speaker 1: to Harper. Yeah, and they take a road trip across
Speaker 1: America because Andrew used to always do these road trips
Speaker 1: as a man and would always feel safe in these
Speaker 1: certain spots. So she wanted to go back to the
Speaker 1: same spots and see how it would go being a woman.
Speaker 1: And it's just such a beautiful documentary on friendship, but
Speaker 1: also you know, it gives you a real insight to
Speaker 1: transgender It's just so beautiful. It's something we should all
Speaker 1: watch because it just helps you get a better understanding.
Speaker 1: But a part of that is you meet women who
Speaker 1: have had they catch up with a woman who has
Speaker 1: had the vocal surgery and her voice is still quite deep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like if people, I think, if people
Speaker 2: in life just learned to have more empathy, because nothing
Speaker 2: pieces me off more than when people talk about like, oh,
Speaker 2: because it's in fashion now or it's a trend, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, who would like that? Is almost like upending
Speaker 2: your life to do that.
Speaker 1: So because of an acquaintance of mine, not a friend,
Speaker 1: but a beautiful woman's daughter was born a boy, yea right,
Speaker 1: and he is in grade six now. And she said,
Speaker 1: from literally one years old, she could tell that her
Speaker 1: son was a girl. It was just the way it was. Anyway,
Speaker 1: as she got older, she would always have friends that
Speaker 1: were girls, and she wanted to wear the school it's
Speaker 1: private school, pretty full on private school. Wanted to wear
Speaker 1: the school dress. So she started to wear the school dress.
Speaker 1: And then basically I just don't want to use names.
Speaker 1: That's why doing a little bit. But the mom, you know,
Speaker 1: said to the school that next year, this little girl,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call her Lucy, is coming back to school
Speaker 1: as Lucy. And that is and is to be with
Speaker 1: the girls, is to be considered a girl and from
Speaker 1: now and everyone is calling her Lucy. The school were phenomenal.
Speaker 1: When Lucy came back to school, they made even a
Speaker 1: like the kids made a what are they called, like
Speaker 1: an honor like with their hands up together, and Lucy
Speaker 1: ran through the middle of it all. I know. It
Speaker 1: was so gorgeous. And he's just now known as Lucy.
Speaker 1: Every birthday she asks for her penis to be removed,
Speaker 1: every single birthday and her mum is like, no, you
Speaker 1: can do that when you're eighteen, Like that is not
Speaker 1: happening now, but it's something you can do in your future.
Speaker 1: But is a girl, and it's just then hates her
Speaker 1: body because she's got a penis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean there are stories of young kids
Speaker 2: who just cannot bear it and if they have a penis,
Speaker 2: they attempt to cut it off.
Speaker 1: It's such a fucking herry fic shit going on. It's
Speaker 1: just awful.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's very full on. Yeah, it's like if
Speaker 2: only people just had a bit more compassion. No one's
Speaker 2: asking you to change genders.
Speaker 1: This doesn't hurt anyone else, Like, it's just that this
Speaker 1: conversation is just it's so it almost feels redundant to
Speaker 1: me because I'm like, what the fuck are we still
Speaker 1: talking about this for? And why are we saying any
Speaker 1: of this? Like, how is this even still a conversation.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you why. Now Trump's in office.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess why it is.
Speaker 2: I'm already started. It's already started. And you think of
Speaker 2: how many kids are going to suicide now because they're
Speaker 2: not even able to be who they really are.
Speaker 1: The suicide rate already is so hectic. And that's why
Speaker 1: my mate is like, I'm one hundred percent supporting my
Speaker 1: child because the suicide rate is so huge and if
Speaker 1: I don't allow her to be who she is and
Speaker 1: then she kills herself, Like, it's so fucking hectic, it's
Speaker 1: just awful. Anyway, that was a really light, fun, lucky dip.
Speaker 1: You never know what you're gonna.
Speaker 2: Get, that's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, everyone, thanks for listening. We hope you
Speaker 1: are well and we will be chatting with you very soon.
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