Speaker 1: Divine and cook pray, Anthony Harper.
Speaker 2: Here we are, Oh bloody hell, look at us like
Speaker 2: a couple of champs on a Sunday. We should be
Speaker 2: a church at ten thirty seven. I don't know what charch.
Speaker 1: For me.
Speaker 2: It is somewhat well. I do have the propensity to
Speaker 2: babble on and people go, can you stop quoting the Bible?
Speaker 2: All right? All right? I didn't write it.
Speaker 1: Though, reach brother Harps, nah, I do love.
Speaker 2: Somebody did send me a quite a stern a Christian
Speaker 2: that sent me quite a stern kind of piece of
Speaker 2: feedback that I was being in some way disingenuous or
Speaker 2: somewhat mocking or something, which I genuinely wasn't trying to be.
Speaker 2: But it's funny how they're same, and we're talking about
Speaker 2: this thousand times. But you know, I'll say one thing
Speaker 2: and some people are like, oh, mate, that is hilarious.
Speaker 2: You're the best. That's so funny, And then someone else
Speaker 2: sits down for an hour and writes and rewrites and
Speaker 2: drafts a fucking thousand word email to tell you that
Speaker 2: you're going to burn in an eternal lake of fire
Speaker 2: and that you're being whatever. I'm like, okay, but I
Speaker 2: understand both, and I'm not mad or you know, I
Speaker 2: get it. I get it. I get it, and who knows,
Speaker 2: who knows? They could be right? They could be right.
Speaker 1: The other thing in this, I know you want to
Speaker 1: talk about a bit of this today, which so this
Speaker 1: is interesting. But the other thing is the thing about
Speaker 1: a show like the You Project, where we're sitting down
Speaker 1: talking every day and it's it's it feels like you
Speaker 1: and I are sitting in the lounge room with all
Speaker 1: of the listeners like we're this big. We call it
Speaker 1: the typ Family. Well I do. I think you do too,
Speaker 1: don't you so? And we forget that this is a
Speaker 1: podcast that people can just walk People can walk into
Speaker 1: that room at any point and not necessarily know Craig
Speaker 1: Harper deeply and all the sides of him in his
Speaker 1: background and his experience with religion and the times you've
Speaker 1: spoken about it in different ways. And then they come
Speaker 1: in and hear a bit of a joke and a
Speaker 1: bit of a snide remark that they take as a
Speaker 1: snide remark, but you know that's like, oh, they're only
Speaker 1: hearing one version of Harps and.
Speaker 2: That that's how the world works. And I'm not mad
Speaker 2: at anyone for that, and even the people that don't
Speaker 2: like me, it doesn't. It doesn't, you know, if people
Speaker 2: are horrible and vindictive. But if people just go, I
Speaker 2: don't really like you, I don't vibe with you, I'm like, cool,
Speaker 2: Go find someone you like and vibe with. And I
Speaker 2: mean that genuinely, find somebody that you like to listen
Speaker 2: to that inspires you. But I think, like I'm as
Speaker 2: long as you actually want to vibe with someone, doesn't
Speaker 2: have to be me, and listen to someone or learn
Speaker 2: from someone, or you know, if if all you do
Speaker 2: is criticize everyone you listen to and everything you read,
Speaker 2: and then that's that's probably a different thing, but one.
Speaker 2: And even sometimes there's no bigger critic of Craig Harper
Speaker 2: than Craig Harper. And I listen to things that I've said,
Speaker 2: like every now and then I'll like, the other day
Speaker 2: we put up Harry Garside that an interview I did
Speaker 2: about two years ago, and I thought, because Harry just
Speaker 2: fought obviously, and we all know he didn't win his fight,
Speaker 2: but he was just so amazing and gracious and gorgeous
Speaker 2: post fight, and the things he said, and I went well,
Speaker 2: let's you know, and I've been running up and back
Speaker 2: and forward to the country to kind of look after
Speaker 2: my folks a little bit. So there's a bit going
Speaker 2: on on Planet Jumbo. And anyway, they're not two short stories.
Speaker 2: I went, I'll have a bit of a listen to
Speaker 2: me and Harry to see because I never listened generally back,
Speaker 2: and I went, I kind of listened to twenty minutes,
Speaker 2: and I went, Harry's brilliant. But I'm a fucking idiot.
Speaker 2: It's like that's and I know I'm not an idiot,
Speaker 2: but I honestly I cringe when I hear my own shit,
Speaker 2: which is part of the reason that and I know
Speaker 2: that I know that sometimes that's warranted. Sometimes I'm not
Speaker 2: doing a great job, for sure, And you've got to
Speaker 2: be that honest and that brave, I think, because otherwise,
Speaker 2: if you always think that everyone else is wrong or
Speaker 2: you are doing a good job when you're not doing
Speaker 2: a good job, then you can't really learn and grow
Speaker 2: and evolve and get better because you already think you're there.
Speaker 2: But I listened to it, and I went and I
Speaker 2: waited up, and I went, well, is this worth putting up?
Speaker 2: Because I didn't like me so much in it, and
Speaker 2: I think overall it's quite good, and I think the
Speaker 2: main point is Harry, and Harry's really good. So now,
Speaker 2: before we go too deep into this chat, Melissa will
Speaker 2: sack me if I don't mention the fact she's like
Speaker 2: said she ranging me. Just before we started, She goes,
Speaker 2: could you please remember now, I'm going to say that
Speaker 2: I am quite terrible at business, and I am terrible
Speaker 2: at promoting the things that I have coming up. Considering
Speaker 2: how much normal people in my position promote the fuck
Speaker 2: out of their books and programs and you know, offerings,
Speaker 2: I'm shit. So here's what I'm going to tell you.
Speaker 2: I've got some workshops coming up.
Speaker 1: Oh whoa right, people have been stomping their feet for
Speaker 1: these hats.
Speaker 2: Come on, oh have they? Though? I have? So Bendigo, bendigo,
Speaker 2: I'm coming to you on Sunday, August eighteen. I've written
Speaker 2: a brand new workshop. It's called Understanding You. Obviously there's
Speaker 2: you know, we're recovering some stuff, but we're opening new doors.
Speaker 2: We're opening new doors. Some of it's based on my
Speaker 2: PhD research, some of it's based on just stuff that
Speaker 2: I've gleaned over the last five years four years since
Speaker 2: I've really been at the coal face of public workshops.
Speaker 2: But it's all about helping you become a better version
Speaker 2: of you physically, mentally, emotionally, socially, practically, behaviorally, whatever that means.
Speaker 2: It's called Understanding You. August eighteen in Bendigo. It's three hours,
Speaker 2: it's two to five. It's cheap as fuck. Get on board. Also,
Speaker 2: I'm doing one in Melbourne, same workshop in Melbourne on
Speaker 2: September eighth, That is at Deacon University. That is nine
Speaker 2: thirty till twelve thirty on a Sunday. Also Malulaba stand by,
Speaker 2: stand by, Malula bar fuckety fuck. I'm coming up to
Speaker 2: the Sunshine Coast to do some corporate work and while
Speaker 2: i'm there, while i'm there, because I can, I am
Speaker 2: doing an interactive kind of workshop called Stop Wasting Your Potential.
Speaker 2: This is a private workshop for about twenty five to
Speaker 2: thirty people. Where is it at I think it's at
Speaker 2: the Mantra. Often what I do when I'm traveling in
Speaker 2: state and i'm doing corporate work is i will book
Speaker 2: the boardroom of the hotel that i'm staying at and
Speaker 2: I'll just do a private workshop. So if you are
Speaker 2: in or around the Sunshine Coast that is happening on
Speaker 2: August twenty two, that is very different. That is where
Speaker 2: we're all essentially sitting at a great, big table and
Speaker 2: it gives you an opportunity to be very involved if
Speaker 2: you want, or you can just sit there and be
Speaker 2: a participant in that way. And the last thing I've
Speaker 2: got to promote is which everyone can come to. You
Speaker 2: don't need to be in Victoria or the Sunshine Coast
Speaker 2: or Bendigo. You can be anywhere in the world. I'm
Speaker 2: doing a workshop, and this is a new workshop also
Speaker 2: called Love your Body. It's an online workshop and opening
Speaker 2: a few doors. Obviously, my background is in running gyms
Speaker 2: and owning gyms and being an excise scientist and working
Speaker 2: with tens of thousands of bodies. But I'm going to
Speaker 2: be I'll give you a hint. I'm presenting more. Yes,
Speaker 2: we're talking about the anatomy in physiology, and we're talking
Speaker 2: about nutrition and sets and reps, and we're talking about
Speaker 2: all the fundamentals of getting in shape. But we're really
Speaker 2: opening the door on why the fuck we do the
Speaker 2: stuff that we do good and bad to our body.
Speaker 2: Stuff with food, stuff with sleep, stuff with a drugs,
Speaker 2: stuff with booze, stuff with you know, like starting, stopping,
Speaker 2: What is that about in the zone, out of the zone,
Speaker 2: losing weight, gaining weight, getting fit, getting unfit. And now
Speaker 2: I'm fifty. So we're going to talk about the psychology,
Speaker 2: the sociology, the emotion, and the physiology of changing your
Speaker 2: body forever. That is September ten, online, seven toll nine pm.
Speaker 2: It's called Love You Body. All of that shit is
Speaker 2: on my website. Melissa is going to be so proud
Speaker 2: of me. It's Craig Harper dot net. Get the fuck along,
Speaker 2: book yourself a ticket or twenty five bring one hundred friends,
Speaker 2: bibdybobbity boo. Did I do good?
Speaker 1: Bloody?
Speaker 2: Hell?
Speaker 1: Harps great heart. But twenty twenty four national tour has
Speaker 1: formally been released. Look at you go. That's exciting. I
Speaker 1: have really awesome workshops. I know.
Speaker 2: I'm excited. I am excited. I love doing general public
Speaker 2: stuff and people who think I haven't been doing anything,
Speaker 2: I do over one hundred gigs a year, but they're
Speaker 2: all corporate, right, So I'm actually really excited to be
Speaker 2: and we do public stuff every day right here. But
Speaker 2: I'm really excited to be back in a room with
Speaker 2: humans and selfishly, selfishly, the beauty of doing workshops for
Speaker 2: your fans, friends, followers, fans. That's an overstatement, is it
Speaker 2: don't be a fun at all?
Speaker 1: It's not at all. I'm still a raving fan.
Speaker 2: Whatever. Let's just go friends, followers and listeners and readers,
Speaker 2: let's do that. The beauty of that is it's what
Speaker 2: we call what speakers call a warm audience. And I
Speaker 2: love it. And it just means that from the moment
Speaker 2: that you get up, it's good. From the moment that
Speaker 2: you get there, it's a good vibe. People want to
Speaker 2: be there, people know you generally, people love you. They
Speaker 2: want you to do well. I want you to do well.
Speaker 2: It's a fucking love in. Of course, we get a
Speaker 2: few husbands who have reluctantly been dragged along, sitting there
Speaker 2: with their arms and legs and minds crossed in road
Speaker 2: fifty two, going what the fuck is this bullshit? Why
Speaker 2: did you drag me to this, darloon? We get a
Speaker 2: few of those, and we convert a few of those over.
Speaker 2: We drag them out of the darkness into the lights.
Speaker 2: The revelation of the gospel of self help and personal transformation.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so I'm excited, and it's good to be
Speaker 2: back in a room with people that I like and
Speaker 2: people that hopefully like me, and apart from having some
Speaker 2: fun and a good experience, hopefully for many people anyway,
Speaker 2: this will be and not because of Harper and not
Speaker 2: because of the day, but hopefully that experience will be
Speaker 2: a catalyst for long term change. Speaking of long term change,
Speaker 2: I'll shut up after this. Did you see I put
Speaker 2: up on a put up on Instagram yesterday. I'm looking
Speaker 2: for it now, which is not a very professional thing
Speaker 2: to do, but I put up introducing my brand new
Speaker 2: body transformation program. Did you see that?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: So I put introducing my new and it's got eight
Speaker 2: week and I crossed out eight week and wrote fifty year.
Speaker 2: So introducing my new fifty year body Transformation Challenge. And
Speaker 2: people are funny. I put it on Facebook and Insta
Speaker 2: and some of the comments are actually like, people are like,
Speaker 2: I love it when you can do something that's a
Speaker 2: bit funny but also making a good point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like.
Speaker 2: That synthesis of oh, actually that's fucking true, but also yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a little bit that's a little bit amusing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, before you move on from the workshop conversation,
Speaker 1: I wanted to add to it, my favorite and most
Speaker 1: valued thing about those workshops is actually, like, yes, you
Speaker 1: and your content's amazing, but it's the connections that you
Speaker 1: make with the people that are there with a like
Speaker 1: minded interest and support and accountability. And some of my
Speaker 1: most valued opportunities and friendships, to be honest, that I
Speaker 1: have now and that have taken me places or moved
Speaker 1: me forward, whether it's just mentally, psychologically or actually in
Speaker 1: the world, have come from connections that came from and
Speaker 1: some of them from your workshops, some of them from
Speaker 1: people that were in your rooms, big opportunities. I worked
Speaker 1: for Ambulance Victoria through COVID because of that, and that
Speaker 1: was the catalyst for what I do now because I've
Speaker 1: met someone I connected with at that event, and I
Speaker 1: just think community and the people that are around us
Speaker 1: are the reason we change. So that's where people will
Speaker 1: meet the reasons that they'll change.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hang out with people who drag you. It's a
Speaker 2: beautiful day to do that. You know. It's like, we
Speaker 2: fuck around and I'm a dickhead sometimes and sometimes a
Speaker 2: lot all the time. But okay, now that's valid. But
Speaker 2: in the middle, yeah, no, a good point. But in
Speaker 2: the middle of all of that, you know, it's like
Speaker 2: I think somebody said to me something really nice and
Speaker 2: it was I can't remember the exact words, but it
Speaker 2: was like you have a really beautiful mix of sincerity
Speaker 2: and stupidity. And I'm like, I like that because you
Speaker 2: know some of the shit like like, well, today we
Speaker 2: want to talk about how real and raw and vulnerable
Speaker 2: we should be. But you know what I don't joke
Speaker 2: about is like I would say, on average, every week
Speaker 2: of my life, I talk to two people who are
Speaker 2: thinking about ending their life, like at that time when
Speaker 2: I talk to them, right, sometimes it's three, sometimes it's none.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's more or less. Or people who are deeply
Speaker 2: darkly rest or life, debilitatingly anxious or overwhelmingly fearful, or
Speaker 2: they just have like a nihilistic kind of paradigm of
Speaker 2: like what's the fucking point, Like I don't feel like
Speaker 2: there's a you know, and like those are those are
Speaker 2: hard conversations and you have to be present and you
Speaker 2: have to just love people, and you you know, sometimes
Speaker 2: I don't know what to say. I don't know what
Speaker 2: to say. All I do is I just listen, and
Speaker 2: I value them, and I value their feelings and I
Speaker 2: validate their feelings and I don't try to fix it,
Speaker 2: and I just be present, and you know, and then
Speaker 2: there are other people on a more practical level that
Speaker 2: come to me that need to lose fifty ks or
Speaker 2: they need to get over their shitty back or fucking
Speaker 2: lower their blood pressure or fix their fucked relationship. And
Speaker 2: obviously I'm not the answer to anything, but like we are,
Speaker 2: and you do similar, Like I am always dealing with complicated,
Speaker 2: pretty intense, pretty serious stuff. And when I'm not doing that,
Speaker 2: you know, for me, storytelling and laughter and silliness, and
Speaker 2: that's that's my therapy. You know, that's where like me
Speaker 2: sitting and we've spoken about this, but me sitting cross
Speaker 2: leg and trying to meditate, that doesn't work for me,
Speaker 2: Which is not to say it's not a great protocol,
Speaker 2: but it's not a great protocol for me. But what
Speaker 2: makes me feel good, what produces dopamine and joy and
Speaker 2: fun and kind of a version of lightness for me,
Speaker 2: is laughter for me. Is silliness for me is connection
Speaker 2: and love, And you know, so I think that in
Speaker 2: the middle of all of this, you know, this kind
Speaker 2: of silliness that we have on here, and the inappropriateness
Speaker 2: and the funny kind of videos that you put up
Speaker 2: of me being a dickhead talking about people sheltering under
Speaker 2: my nose when it's rain and you know, and then
Speaker 2: people going, oh, you know your noses all right, I'm like,
Speaker 2: fucking no, it's not whatever. You know, it's all just fun.
Speaker 2: But we can't, you know, there's got to be there's
Speaker 2: got to be a pendulum swing, you know, And so too,
Speaker 2: even with personal development. Yeah, we want to think better,
Speaker 2: do better, be better. We want to make better decisions,
Speaker 2: you know, look after our health, optimize our da da
Speaker 2: da da da, live in line with our values and
Speaker 2: all that, of course, but also some days lie in
Speaker 2: the bed and watch Netflix do that, just fuck around,
Speaker 2: you know, just some days do nothing much, some days
Speaker 2: eat a bit of cake, some days have a beer.
Speaker 2: Like it doesn't We don't need to be these personal
Speaker 2: development robots on this constant linear improvement path because that's
Speaker 2: just one completely fucking unrealistic. And two, you know, like
Speaker 2: you've met and I've met people who are so obsessed
Speaker 2: with personal growth, that they've just developed a new addiction.
Speaker 1: Yes, yep.
Speaker 2: And in the middle of all of their growth and
Speaker 2: improvement and box ticking and T crossing and I dotting
Speaker 2: and to do lists, they're cunts and they're fucking miserable.
Speaker 2: It's like, have a fucking if you're boring mole fuck
Speaker 2: like full you know. Yeah, Oh, all right, let's talk
Speaker 2: about vulnerability, which is was going.
Speaker 1: To be about conversation yep.
Speaker 2: So I want to just introduce this. I've spoken about this,
Speaker 2: I don't know in six years, maybe four times, but
Speaker 2: a few people have asked me. And when I say
Speaker 2: a few people have asked me, I don't make that
Speaker 2: up right. I don't just say that because that's a
Speaker 2: nice lead in. But a few people have asked me
Speaker 2: if I could do a whole show on this. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to do a whole show on it, because
Speaker 2: I don't think it warrants it. But and there are
Speaker 2: very similar models to the one that I'm about to
Speaker 2: unpack and the one that I'm about to unpack. Sorry
Speaker 2: about the noise of the paper, because I'm about to
Speaker 2: write while I talk is very much just my version
Speaker 2: of my interpretation of my encounters with people from the
Speaker 2: observer point of view. That is me observing them and
Speaker 2: me watching them and me knowing them and me understanding
Speaker 2: them and interacting with them. So there's that the observer,
Speaker 2: and then there's from me the experience or the creator
Speaker 2: of my own experiences. And I think in a way,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure we could come up with many different
Speaker 2: models that kind of explain the same concept. But if
Speaker 2: we're speaking in metaphors, I think the metaphor is that
Speaker 2: we all have a door that kind of you know,
Speaker 2: in many situations we keep closed. That is, there's just me.
Speaker 2: Nobody's going to know this me. I'm keeping the door
Speaker 2: closed and there's only me on this side of the door.
Speaker 2: So I call that version of me secret me, the
Speaker 2: me that nobody gets to know but me. And then
Speaker 2: from there we open the door to varying degrees to
Speaker 2: reveal an amount of ourselves to the world. And you
Speaker 2: know how much we do that is really an individual thing.
Speaker 2: So let's start from the top down. We'll come back
Speaker 2: down to secret you. So at the top is what
Speaker 2: I call public you, and public you is and then
Speaker 2: I want to know where you sit on these tip
Speaker 2: and how wide you open the door and what that
Speaker 2: is based on for you. But public you is just
Speaker 2: the one that that's you. That's the you that everybody sees.
Speaker 2: That's the you at the supermarket that talks to the
Speaker 2: bloke or the lady who's doing the register if you
Speaker 2: do that, or the you know, the uber driver that
Speaker 2: you jump in or whatever. That's the one that there's
Speaker 2: no you know. I mean there's a filter, of course,
Speaker 2: but there's that's the you that you're happy for the
Speaker 2: world to see. And then then when we close the
Speaker 2: door a little bit, we get personal you. And personal
Speaker 2: you is the one that probably close friends and family,
Speaker 2: I reckon this could be five to twenty people get
Speaker 2: to know personal you, where they know stuff about you,
Speaker 2: they have insight into you, they have experience of you.
Speaker 2: They have a level of connection with you that most
Speaker 2: people don't have and most people don't have access to.
Speaker 2: So that could be a few people. You know. It's
Speaker 2: like I look at the Crab, my training partner, God
Speaker 2: bless him, and I reckon he's one of those people
Speaker 2: that there aren't too many because he's quite you know,
Speaker 2: the crab quite well, like he's a beautiful human being,
Speaker 2: but he's not the most vulnerably open or emotional. So
Speaker 2: I reckon in his personal kind of version of the
Speaker 2: personal version of him. There's maybe five people I reckon.
Speaker 2: I reckon I'm one of them. You know I might
Speaker 2: not be. I think I am. For me, I'll tell
Speaker 2: you about me after we hear about you. So public you,
Speaker 2: personal you, private you, private you. I reckon as generally
Speaker 2: one or two people. So private you could be your mum,
Speaker 2: It could be your dad, It could be your partner, brother, sister,
Speaker 2: It might be a few people. Often it's one or two.
Speaker 2: And then secret you, that's the behind the door you.
Speaker 2: That's the you that you don't want anyone to see
Speaker 2: for whatever reason. Secret you, and only you get to
Speaker 2: know that person, understand that person, and experience that version
Speaker 2: of you. And then a recent addition to this little
Speaker 2: kind of model is future you. And future you is
Speaker 2: the you that you aspire to be, the version of
Speaker 2: you that you would like to be for yourself, based
Speaker 2: on your values, your beliefs, your goals, your intention, what
Speaker 2: you would like your life to be, and also yourself
Speaker 2: for others like as my mum and dad get older
Speaker 2: and more vulnerable, there's a version of me that's emerging,
Speaker 2: and there's shit coming up. There's things happening that I realize,
Speaker 2: Oh I'm things that I've never had had to do
Speaker 2: or think about I now have to do and think about.
Speaker 2: And it's like it's almost like an emergent component to
Speaker 2: the totality of me, you know, because I've been a
Speaker 2: single bloke most of my you know, like in that
Speaker 2: well my whole life. I've been in relationships, but I've
Speaker 2: never been married. And and but now all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: I have parents who are becoming increasingly dependent on me
Speaker 2: for a range of needs, which is absolutely okay, And
Speaker 2: then you know, it becomes less of me and more
Speaker 2: of them, you know, So that moving forward, I want
Speaker 2: to be future me. I want to be that where
Speaker 2: as much as I can, for as long as I can,
Speaker 2: i am. I am basically making their life somewhere between,
Speaker 2: you know, okay and great. So that's it. So it's
Speaker 2: public you, personal you, private youth, secret you, and future you.
Speaker 2: And I just wonder like, what do you think or firstly,
Speaker 2: for you, Tiff, what do you think are the variables
Speaker 2: or the determining factors in terms of how wide you
Speaker 2: open the door with people?
Speaker 1: For me, It's evolved quite a lot over the over
Speaker 1: the years and over my life. And as soon as
Speaker 1: you started talking about this, I wrote down I saw
Speaker 1: this quote just within the last two days, and I
Speaker 1: loved it and it landed with me. And it's basically said,
Speaker 1: I'm healing out loud because my silence almost killed me.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, Wow, hang on, say that again. That's fucking
Speaker 2: great because fifty people are going to want to write
Speaker 2: that down. Say it again.
Speaker 1: I'm healing out loud because my silence nearly killed me.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And it's a version of I guess I've felt over
Speaker 1: the times, and I've had some subtle feedback at times
Speaker 1: of the stuff that I've openly shared online or that
Speaker 1: you know, the hard times, or that when I struggle
Speaker 1: and I stood by it because my version was I
Speaker 1: held a secret for thirty years, which created a persona.
Speaker 1: So as you've been talking about the version, the versions
Speaker 1: of you, my interpretation of that, I don't like it.
Speaker 1: I like to think of of them as part of us.
Speaker 1: We have these parts and experiences we might share. But
Speaker 1: I don't like calling them versions because it brings up
Speaker 1: that idea of the facade, like the Tiffany Cook that
Speaker 1: existed until she was thirty. It was a facade that
Speaker 1: had a secret she hadn't really dealt with. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I.
Speaker 2: Think that's interesting. What makes you think you like, why
Speaker 2: do you think you were a facade? Why were you
Speaker 2: not just you but keeping an experience understandably hidden from the.
Speaker 1: World because shame and guilt.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't make you a facade like you weren't
Speaker 2: like you weren't a fraud. You were just authentic you
Speaker 2: who'd had an experience that you didn't want people to
Speaker 2: know about. I mean, and that's very understandable, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: But I.
Speaker 1: Think on alongside of that, and maybe if we go
Speaker 1: deeper to that that experience was the consequence and not
Speaker 1: the cause. The cause was maybe my inability prior to
Speaker 1: that to have been in a circumstance at the time
Speaker 1: I needed to develop great intimacy and connection skills and
Speaker 1: relationship skills and communication skills, those things I just didn't
Speaker 1: really grasp rights, which left me vulnerable to having experience
Speaker 1: And for anyone that doesn't know what I'm referring to,
Speaker 1: that's childhood sexual abuse. So that's a consequence. So this,
Speaker 1: so I think, when, but what I would say about
Speaker 1: when we share, they're out secret us or riv at
Speaker 1: us openly. And I've had this conversation with a lot
Speaker 1: of people. Some I think that we need to be
Speaker 1: self aware and really understanding of where we are at
Speaker 1: when we share it, and that it's not a burden
Speaker 1: to others, but it is. It is a place of connection,
Speaker 1: understanding and inspiration. So I can say this happened to me,
Speaker 1: which is a heavy topic, but when it's said to people,
Speaker 1: they can go, oh, wow, me too. There's light at
Speaker 1: the end of my tunnel, or I'm not the only one,
Speaker 1: whereas there's sometimes people can be at the very beginning
Speaker 1: of their sharing and they're not healed and they're hurt
Speaker 1: and they're angry, and it lands with other people and
Speaker 1: there's this expectation that the other people they're not getting inspired.
Speaker 1: They're kind of having to hold this space and go
Speaker 1: what do we do with this? This is dark and heavy?
Speaker 2: Well you raise a really good point, and well a
Speaker 2: bunch of points, and thank you for being brave and sharing,
Speaker 2: and that is that. You know, sometimes opening the door
Speaker 2: isn't a good idea, right, It's like it's very you
Speaker 2: need to be and when I say you, I meant
Speaker 2: us the individual. We need to be ready. It needs
Speaker 2: to be for the right reason. It needs to be
Speaker 2: in the right moment, the right time, with the right person.
Speaker 2: You know. It's not something that you want to blurt out,
Speaker 2: you know. And I think like this is you know,
Speaker 2: we've spoken a few times, and we won't open the
Speaker 2: door too wide on that. But you know that Abigail Shreier,
Speaker 2: the author who wrote Bad Therapy, essentially, she wasn't saying
Speaker 2: that talk therapy is bad. She was saying that talk
Speaker 2: therapy isn't always the best thing for every person in
Speaker 2: every situation. And there might have been a time where
Speaker 2: I don't know where you might have opened the door,
Speaker 2: or you might have revealed that experience to the world
Speaker 2: or to someone and it might not have produced a
Speaker 2: good outcome. But you know, you don't know, do you.
Speaker 2: And it's like that's why I mean, this is a
Speaker 2: great conversation because I think it highlights the fact that
Speaker 2: there are no fucking absolute rules to this stuff. It's
Speaker 2: not like, oh, did you have this happen? All right?
Speaker 2: Here are the five steps? You know, you know, this
Speaker 2: is how you grieve, all right? There's a chart put
Speaker 2: it on the wall, you know, first seven days and
Speaker 2: then day eight to fourteen. It's like it doesn't It's
Speaker 2: like it's like the fucking food pyramid. It's like how
Speaker 2: do you get strong? It's like, well, who for whose body?
Speaker 2: Who's mind, Who's life, who's genetics? Whose experiences? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: And that's why I think like leaning in and feeling
Speaker 2: what you feel. But like you've spoken a lot about
Speaker 2: doctor Bill. Now I think hard of you, correct me,
Speaker 2: because I do not know and you do know. But
Speaker 2: I think part of the progress and the I guess
Speaker 2: the growth that's come through your work with him has
Speaker 2: been at least as much about just who he is
Speaker 2: as a person as the actual technique of therapy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you trust him and like him.
Speaker 1: Right exactly exactly, And it's someone to turn up and
Speaker 1: just you know, it's like anything. You turn up when
Speaker 1: it's hard, and you turn up when it's easy, and
Speaker 1: you turn up when it's hard, and you turn up
Speaker 1: when you need it. But for me, you turn up
Speaker 1: when you think you don't need it and you get
Speaker 1: even more out of it. Like it's a therapy is
Speaker 1: such an ongoing process, and I think it looks and
Speaker 1: feels very different for everyone. So I don't even think
Speaker 1: talk therapy is even the same like mine with different
Speaker 1: therapist self seen, they've been all very, very different. So
Speaker 1: you've really got to figure out I guess what and
Speaker 1: at different times, at different times you need to talk
Speaker 1: and sometimes you need to do some of those weird
Speaker 1: woo woo somatic get stuff out of your body. Do
Speaker 1: you deal with nervous system I reckon, I've still got
Speaker 1: a lot of somatic stuff to resolve, like where my
Speaker 1: nervous system sends me into an unconscious spin and then
Speaker 1: you can't talk therapy yourself out of that because because
Speaker 1: that just takes place, and then our little reason making
Speaker 1: machines in our head just go and tell a story. Hmm.
Speaker 2: It's so true. It's so true. How I remember years ago,
Speaker 2: Like I don't get anxious that much, but I remember
Speaker 2: years ago, I was doing a gig. It was a
Speaker 2: big gig. It was one of the biggest gigs I'd
Speaker 2: ever done to that point in time. It was about
Speaker 2: a thousand people, and I felt scared, yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 2: I felt nervous, and I was probably I don't know,
Speaker 2: it was probably ten years ago. And I mean not
Speaker 2: falling apart, but just like fucking shorter breath and like
Speaker 2: and sweaty hands, and I don't like I don't like it,
Speaker 2: so I have it only how we all have these
Speaker 2: little protocols and habits and rituals, right, So if I'm
Speaker 2: doing a gig, this is what happens. Like I've done
Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks a gig in conference centers
Speaker 2: where you go and generally they'll go, well, Craig, you're
Speaker 2: on at nine point thirty. We want you to Sometimes
Speaker 2: I'll say we want you to do a sound check
Speaker 2: at eight, which is quite silly because you walk in
Speaker 2: and go check one, two, and it's like anyone could
Speaker 2: have done that. The microphone's working, and so are the speakers.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I think it's because they like to make
Speaker 2: sure you're in town, you've arrived for the event. But
Speaker 2: I do that. But what I don't like is when,
Speaker 2: which is nobody's fault, it's just something I've got to
Speaker 2: deal with. Is when let's say you're talking at nine
Speaker 2: point thirty, So you get there and you walk in
Speaker 2: the back at nine point fifteen and Brian puts on
Speaker 2: a lapel mic and then you look down and you go,
Speaker 2: all right, well, I'm on in nine minutes. Cool, and
Speaker 2: then I go I'll be back in a second. I
Speaker 2: generally walk out of the room and I'll walk three
Speaker 2: hundred meter it is one way, three hundred meters the
Speaker 2: other way. Then I come back and I'm now I'm
Speaker 2: on in four minutes. But sometimes they just go on
Speaker 2: and on and on. So you're standing at the side anyway,
Speaker 2: I was meant to go on it, let's say nine
Speaker 2: point thirty, and at ten to ten, I'm still not on,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, you can only peek.
Speaker 1: So I mean time, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm sitting against the side of the auditorium on
Speaker 2: a chair and I could just feel my heart rate
Speaker 2: in my neck. I could feel a pulse in my neck.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is this is not optimal for fucking
Speaker 2: getting on stage and being hilarious and calm and connected.
Speaker 2: And you know. So I did some box breathing, and
Speaker 2: I know the theory of it, right, but I'd never
Speaker 2: because I'm like, yeah, I don't need box breathing. I'm
Speaker 2: Craig Arper. I'm a fucking you know, like I know,
Speaker 2: a complete fucking idiot. I know anyway. So I do
Speaker 2: five seconds in, five seconds, hold, five seconds out, five
Speaker 2: seconds hold. I do that for about ninety seconds, and
Speaker 2: I feel my whole body just calm down. I feel
Speaker 2: my heart rates slow, I feel my sympathetic nervous system
Speaker 2: just calm, calm the farm just kick in. I could
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, you don't know, but I literally
Speaker 2: felt the adrenaline. It feels like I felt the adrenaline
Speaker 2: just kind of disappear, and my whole emotional and psychological
Speaker 2: and physical state went from like elevated in a bad
Speaker 2: way to calm in a good way. So, yeah, you're right,
Speaker 2: there are some things that we can't just think our
Speaker 2: way out of in the moment. We need to do
Speaker 2: something to create that physiological shift in the moment. And
Speaker 2: whether or not that's box breathing or meditating or fucking
Speaker 2: you know, going and punching a heavy bag like you
Speaker 2: might for one minute, or lying on the floor and
Speaker 2: cuddling your dog. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you remind me of the first fight in twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen I had, so I'd had a two or three
Speaker 1: year break. First fight back in and I remember being
Speaker 1: and it was at Matthew Flinders Hotel. I still there
Speaker 1: and my opponent I get, I turn up and like
Speaker 1: my my coach, so he's like, you're you're fighting a
Speaker 1: NIX Comms game fighter. And I'm like, what, mate, bro,
Speaker 1: Like I had three years off, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: And like I never know whether to believe him. So
Speaker 1: he's amping me up anyway, He's doing all the things
Speaker 1: to pull on my strings. And then I get there
Speaker 1: and my opponent's changed anyway, so then it's I'm fighting
Speaker 1: a chick ten kilos heavier, all right, all right, whatever.
Speaker 1: But I remember being in this in the side room.
Speaker 1: I'd got I thought of my very first fight and
Speaker 1: I remember having like red jelly beans before get blood sugar, like,
Speaker 1: get ready. I'm in there and I'm psyching myself up.
Speaker 1: Do you reckon? Tiffany hook needs any psycing up already,
Speaker 1: So so I get in the ring, total adrenal dump.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh God, yes, so I've cooked it.
Speaker 1: I've cooked this. I've just burnt the motor out. It
Speaker 1: was such a I was like, that was a silly
Speaker 1: thing to do. You needed to calm down. The body
Speaker 1: was producing all the adrenaline and nor ap nephyn that
Speaker 1: you needed, and you've gone and jabbed more in there
Speaker 1: with your mind crazy.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a whole area of intersection of psychology and
Speaker 2: physiology in sports science which is around arousal. This is
Speaker 2: no revelation to you. You're a boxer, but trying to
Speaker 2: find the right level of arousal for your sport, for
Speaker 2: your skill, for the skill that's required to be executed,
Speaker 2: and then also for the duration of the event. Like
Speaker 2: if your arousal is fifteen out of ten, you're about
Speaker 2: to have a ten round fight. Fucking good luck. You know.
Speaker 2: If you're a level of arousal is like one hundred
Speaker 2: meter Olympic finalist right in the on the track, so
Speaker 2: nine and nine point seven seconds of glory, but you're
Speaker 2: about to go and do a ten k run. Well,
Speaker 2: it ain't gonna work. Yeah, that's so what happened? Did
Speaker 2: you get?
Speaker 1: Did you know? I won the fight, but I felt
Speaker 1: very sloppy and out of I wasn't performing at my
Speaker 1: optimal performance. So I won the fight, but I was
Speaker 1: probably was one of the most disappointing outcomes for me,
Speaker 1: because I just I'd been performing so well in sparring
Speaker 1: and really I was really proud of that, and then
Speaker 1: just the stuff that you know, like little uncontrollable things
Speaker 1: that you're doing where you're like what hang on, well,
Speaker 1: what's going on here? Like your body kind of And
Speaker 1: that's what happens in somatic. This is when I talk
Speaker 1: about sematic stuff in therapy. This is what happens when
Speaker 1: you have a sematic response and you dissociate or you
Speaker 1: and then we're in a dissociated state. You agree to things,
Speaker 1: or you let things happen, or you behave in certain ways,
Speaker 1: and then you step away from that, look back and
Speaker 1: go the fuck have I doubt? Like why am I
Speaker 1: letting this happen? It's very it's like you against you.
Speaker 1: It's really confronting.
Speaker 2: Can I ask you something and feel free to say
Speaker 2: no and we can cut this out there? Go ahead, Well,
Speaker 2: can I ask you about how what happened to you
Speaker 2: and your childhood affects you now if it does, or
Speaker 2: how it's changed, and feel free to not answer that.
Speaker 2: But I feel like, you know, there'll be people listening
Speaker 2: to this who will want to know the answer to
Speaker 2: that question. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, I think one thing that it left me with
Speaker 1: that I think is still an unconscious association is that
Speaker 1: your body is your worth. And your body to someone else.
Speaker 1: It is that if that for close relationships and intimacy,
Speaker 1: you will something will be taken from you that you
Speaker 1: don't want to give. So there's this confrontation. It left
Speaker 1: me very compliant to other people's needs. So when I so,
Speaker 1: that's what I say. When like this level of dissociation,
Speaker 1: people pleasing someone asks, and even just in a work sense,
Speaker 1: leaves asks for something, I'm like yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, whatever,
Speaker 1: whatever whatever, until I walk away, And then that when
Speaker 1: the body relaxes, I'm out of that situation. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why did I agree? What do I agree to things
Speaker 1: that aren't the best for me. I've talked to doctor
Speaker 1: Bill about this. Children that experience that in childhood don't
Speaker 1: they often have the same experiences in adulthood because they
Speaker 1: don't their body. They don't understand red flags, they don't
Speaker 1: understand boundaries. Boxing was appealing to me because there's clear
Speaker 1: boundaries I can get in a ring. I know the rules.
Speaker 1: The rules are clear. I don't make the rules or
Speaker 1: set them so I can enforce them. In life, setting
Speaker 1: boundaries is really hard, and in adulthood, I've myself in
Speaker 1: situations that my mind boggles. I look back and go,
Speaker 1: how could you have not seen that that was going
Speaker 1: to happen and happening right under your nose? And it's confronting.
Speaker 1: So and as each experience happens, I think it has
Speaker 1: made me more and more have my walls up and fear.
Speaker 1: And so what it ends up is a lack of
Speaker 1: trust in self, which is really hard because when you
Speaker 1: don't trust yourself, I mean, you can't trust anybody because
Speaker 1: you're the one, You're the person.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about trust. So for you, obviously, I
Speaker 2: would imagine with more more so men than women, trust
Speaker 2: has been an issue and probably is still an issue,
Speaker 2: correct me if I fuck anything up? So how does
Speaker 2: trust work with you? Now? Is it something that just
Speaker 2: evolves where you you, as a byproduct of just being
Speaker 2: around someone or having interactions with someone, you end up
Speaker 2: just trusting them? Or is it a decision that you
Speaker 2: make to trust somebody or something else? So tell me
Speaker 2: about how you and it could be women or men,
Speaker 2: and it could it could be you know, business life, money, relationships, intimacy, anything.
Speaker 2: How does that work?
Speaker 1: I think there's layers to it. I think when excuse me,
Speaker 1: so let's use you and I as an example. So
Speaker 1: when I approached you to I did some of your workshops,
Speaker 1: you became a mentor to me. I really liked you.
Speaker 1: Seemed like somebody who I loved what you spoke about.
Speaker 1: I loved your authenticity, I loved your messages, and I
Speaker 1: connected with that and I was like, this, this is
Speaker 1: a good person. I want to be around him and
Speaker 1: learn from him. And then when you kind of accepted
Speaker 1: me in that world and said yep, you can come,
Speaker 1: and you know, I was doing some volunteering at your events,
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, how lucky. And there was this
Speaker 1: almost that validation of I'm so lucky. Oh wow, wow,
Speaker 1: you know. But then I think there's that unconscious awareness
Speaker 1: of why. And then when we worked together, I think
Speaker 1: that came up a lot. And I don't know how
Speaker 1: much you felt it, but I know that when we
Speaker 1: went from me just helping out to you're a part
Speaker 1: of the team and we'll pay you. Now, we'll pay
Speaker 1: you and you can you can do some work with us, Yes,
Speaker 1: there was a shift in me and I was like,
Speaker 1: what's this all about? But I found there was this
Speaker 1: layered expectation. What does he want from me? What does
Speaker 1: he want from me now he wants and I had
Speaker 1: this dichotomy of I am giving so much, I want
Speaker 1: to do so well, and then also he just wants
Speaker 1: to take what he's just going to want to take
Speaker 1: from me. You know, I've thought good people have come
Speaker 1: along before to be on my team, and they've really
Speaker 1: done bad things. So if I thought they were good people,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm thinking Harps as a good person and maybe
Speaker 1: it's not. What if I'm wrong? And I asked you once,
Speaker 1: maybe a year or two in do you trust when
Speaker 1: we were having a deep mail do you trust me?
Speaker 1: Do you trust me? And you said yes. I remember thinking, well,
Speaker 1: why why does he trust me? When because I knew,
Speaker 1: I still had walls up, and I'm like, why would
Speaker 1: you trust me when I know I'm hard to get
Speaker 1: to know and I'm not giving you and I'm being
Speaker 1: a little bit elusive at times. So that challenged me
Speaker 1: as well. And thank god you did trust me.
Speaker 2: I could see you, I could see you behind all that.
Speaker 2: Like I'm not trying to be too weird, but I
Speaker 2: could see you. I knew you. I still know you.
Speaker 2: I still know when you're grumpy, because you still get
Speaker 2: grumpy and sometimes you get grumpy at me, and it's
Speaker 2: okay because I know you the person apart from and
Speaker 2: I understand the grumpiness and I understand you know, is
Speaker 2: everything about you perfect? Know is everything about me perfect?
Speaker 2: Of course not right, but like for me, I don't
Speaker 2: need perfection. I need authenticity, and you know, for you,
Speaker 2: sometimes you like what I do like about you as
Speaker 2: you essentially go, I'm having come of a day. I
Speaker 2: don't know why, whereas most people would go, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: all good, all good, but I know it's not all good.
Speaker 2: So you're lying to you and you're lying to me.
Speaker 2: So just I'm having a shitty day, and I go, cool, okay,
Speaker 2: can I do anything? You're like nah, I'm like all right, Well,
Speaker 2: if you have a revelation and you need something miserable, prick,
Speaker 2: I'm over here, you know, So it's all good. Like
Speaker 2: this is the you know, like there's a couple of
Speaker 2: ways and this is going to say I've never said
Speaker 2: this ever. I've never said this to you either, So
Speaker 2: this is big, right, and it's not about it. It's
Speaker 2: just people might find an interesting. So there's you, the
Speaker 2: person that I even care about and know and want
Speaker 2: to succeed and like for me. You know how I
Speaker 2: said to you we're talking about recently. I think I
Speaker 2: said to you. I definitely said it on a podcast.
Speaker 2: It's like I used to say to my trainers, don't
Speaker 2: pretend to care, really care, like actually care. So I
Speaker 2: know that that for me to be really living in
Speaker 2: alignment with my values, I need to want you to
Speaker 2: do great as much as I want me to do great. Right,
Speaker 2: And that's not always easy because we are selfish and
Speaker 2: I'm selfish, But as much as I Craig Harper have
Speaker 2: the capacity to, I genuinely want you to succeed and thrive.
Speaker 2: And if that means that eventually you do way better
Speaker 2: than me, I still want that, right. So there's that
Speaker 2: there's that art where you you care about people, and
Speaker 2: I care about you. How your dad is? Like? You
Speaker 2: care about how my dad is? You know, how's your dad?
Speaker 2: Can I do anything? I'm like, how you know what's
Speaker 2: going on? How's you know? When you know when Coach
Speaker 2: passed away? You know that was fucking horrendous. I can't
Speaker 2: even imagine for you because you know she was your child,
Speaker 2: and then it hurt me to see you hurt. You
Speaker 2: know that, you know, like for me that tells me
Speaker 2: how much I care about you is that I didn't
Speaker 2: want to see you in pain like you know. So
Speaker 2: there's all that, and then there's the other, much more
Speaker 2: practical component, whereas I go, well, if I'm just being real,
Speaker 2: tif's pretty good at about twenty things that are of
Speaker 2: value to me. So there's a practical component, and it's like,
Speaker 2: I'm valuable to you too, Like I've helped be your brand,
Speaker 2: your currency, I've given you exposure that you wouldn't have got,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: you've done all that and more for me, right, So
Speaker 2: this is the beauty of Like when people think that
Speaker 2: a strategic alliance can't coexist with an authentic friendship, it's
Speaker 2: not true. It's because on a practical level, you bring
Speaker 2: skills and attributes and qualities and talent to the you
Speaker 2: project that I do not have and Melissa doesn't have,
Speaker 2: but you have it. Melissa brings stuff that I don't have.
Speaker 2: I bring stuff that you too don't have. You know. So,
Speaker 2: But at the same time, in the middle of all
Speaker 2: of this collaboration and this synergy, can we be good humans?
Speaker 2: And the answer is yeah, you know, and it's like that,
Speaker 2: but like for me that I know we're getting deep now,
Speaker 2: but that truly walking the talk that like not just
Speaker 2: the shit that you say on a podcast, not just
Speaker 2: the you know, the public persona and the whatever and
Speaker 2: the you know, what are your values and I but actually,
Speaker 2: like when no one's looking doing that, that's hard. And
Speaker 2: if anyone says it's not hard, they're not doing it properly.
Speaker 2: Because it is so easy to be selfish and self centered. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, and that's that that for me, it's that
Speaker 2: having like what makes it easier for me is because
Speaker 2: I do genuinely have a purpose that is bigger than
Speaker 2: just me and that doesn't kind of go away that
Speaker 2: that purpose and those people and the needs. So you know,
Speaker 2: but how do you feel talking about this stuff publicly now?
Speaker 2: Because it would have terrified you ten years ago? I imagine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I love talk. I actually love talking about
Speaker 1: it now because it gives me clarity and it even hearing,
Speaker 1: Like sometimes I listen back. I was on someone else's
Speaker 1: podcast recently. I listened back yesterday and you know, he
Speaker 1: just took me into areas of it. It's just interesting
Speaker 1: to hear yourself talk about something. I think the power
Speaker 1: of hearing yourself you get a different perspective to sit
Speaker 1: and listen and go, oh yeah, right, yeah, that's different,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. I'm just such a big advocate for talking
Speaker 1: about your stuff, sharing it and in the right way obviously,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't think we can grow
Speaker 1: without doing that, and I don't think we can connect.
Speaker 1: Like for someone who struggled with connection and being real
Speaker 1: and being open and being seen, I mean, that's my therapy,
Speaker 1: so I welcome it. And if for some people that
Speaker 1: looks like oversharing and being the center of attention, what
Speaker 1: I'd grapple with is because of that lack of trust
Speaker 1: and that independence and that self preservation, it leans me
Speaker 1: into feeling disconnected and selfish. So I want connection more
Speaker 1: than anything. I want collaboration, but that relationship with trust
Speaker 1: and it up against what's previously happened at times prevents that.
Speaker 1: So sometimes I feel both lonely and selfish, like you're
Speaker 1: a lone and selfish, that you're a self fulfilling prophecy.
Speaker 1: And I'm still trying to figure out how I really
Speaker 1: overcome that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well I think it's a it's a constant work.
Speaker 2: You know, it's an ongoing work. And you know, I
Speaker 2: look at your development and where you're at your age,
Speaker 2: and I've said this to you. You know, I'm twenty
Speaker 2: years nineteen years older than you, and I think you know,
Speaker 2: it's like you're especially because you know you've really only
Speaker 2: been doing this for five years, you know, like where
Speaker 2: you've been in this space of where you've really opened
Speaker 2: the self awareness door and changing your life and your
Speaker 2: thinking and habits and then influencing others and having a
Speaker 2: public platform, like in the context of my life, you've
Speaker 2: been doing it for five minutes and you're any very good,
Speaker 2: So you know, now speaking and very good. We started
Speaker 2: the show with a couple of promos. Don't forget everyone, Bendigo, Melwyn, Malula,
Speaker 2: bar Jumbo, go to my sidecocarba dot net. But Tiffany
Speaker 2: and Cook also is running a little kind of program
Speaker 2: that sounded condescending, a great, big, fucking, a huge program,
Speaker 2: fucking the program of programs. So if you want to
Speaker 2: get punched in the face or learn how to punch
Speaker 2: someone else in the face, tiff how do we do that?
Speaker 1: Ah, I'm running a four week boxing Masterclass series. There
Speaker 1: are two hour sessions on a Sunday and I'm partnering
Speaker 1: with Boxing Fit Port Melton. One of my friends just
Speaker 1: bought that place and she's doing some really great stuff
Speaker 1: at building Community, so I'm running it there on Sundays
Speaker 1: at eleven. Then typically, like I have in the past,
Speaker 1: we go out and hang out at a cafe and
Speaker 1: have lunch because I like people to build connection and
Speaker 1: really it's amazing. So and also so that starts on
Speaker 1: eighteenth for four Sundays in Port Melbow and next Sunday
Speaker 1: I'm going to do a free anyone can rock up
Speaker 1: and do it. Taste a one hour session at probably
Speaker 1: eleven thirty. So go to my website and send me
Speaker 1: an email or something if you want to come and
Speaker 1: just do a bit of a learning overview, connect, throw
Speaker 1: some punches, learn a bit of technique.
Speaker 2: It's fun or need someone in the balls, probably not
Speaker 2: that well done. You thank you for opening the door
Speaker 2: and for being surreal and raw, invulnerable and to you everybody,
Speaker 2: we appreciate you, We love you. Thank you for your supports,
Speaker 2: thank you for the feedback. If you're not a member
Speaker 2: of the You Project podcast facebook page, what.
Speaker 1: Are you doing, get around it?
Speaker 2: What are you doing? Quickly? Quickly, quickly, quickly, get over there.
Speaker 2: And also if you're not following me on instag come
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Speaker 2: you're not following Tiffany and Cook, what are you? You've
Speaker 2: got about nine pages.
Speaker 1: Tiffany and Co. That's Tiffany with a Got Rolled with
Speaker 1: the Punches podcast. I've got Lunar and Bear lunar and
Speaker 1: we've got a lunar page. I've got a bar page.
Speaker 1: You've got a Luna and the Lunar and Bear page.
Speaker 2: You should have just gone with one. Thanks everyone,