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Speaker 1: Divine and cook pray, Anthony Harper.

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Speaker 2: Here we are, Oh bloody hell, look at us like

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Speaker 2: a couple of champs on a Sunday. We should be

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Speaker 1: For me.

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Speaker 2: It is somewhat well. I do have the propensity to

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Speaker 2: babble on and people go, can you stop quoting the Bible?

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Speaker 2: All right? All right? I didn't write it.

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Speaker 1: Though, reach brother Harps, nah, I do love.

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Speaker 2: Somebody did send me a quite a stern a Christian

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Speaker 2: that sent me quite a stern kind of piece of

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Speaker 2: feedback that I was being in some way disingenuous or

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Speaker 2: But it's funny how they're same, and we're talking about

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Speaker 2: this thousand times. But you know, I'll say one thing

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Speaker 2: and some people are like, oh, mate, that is hilarious.

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Speaker 2: You're the best. That's so funny, And then someone else

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Speaker 2: sits down for an hour and writes and rewrites and

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Speaker 2: drafts a fucking thousand word email to tell you that

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Speaker 2: you're going to burn in an eternal lake of fire

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Speaker 2: and that you're being whatever. I'm like, okay, but I

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Speaker 2: understand both, and I'm not mad or you know, I

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Speaker 2: get it. I get it. I get it, and who knows,

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Speaker 2: who knows? They could be right? They could be right.

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Speaker 1: The other thing in this, I know you want to

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Speaker 1: talking every day and it's it's it feels like you

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Speaker 1: the typ Family. Well I do. I think you do too,

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Speaker 1: don't you so? And we forget that this is a

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Speaker 1: podcast that people can just walk People can walk into

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Speaker 1: Harper deeply and all the sides of him in his

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Speaker 2: That that's how the world works. And I'm not mad

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Speaker 2: at anyone for that, and even the people that don't

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Speaker 2: like me, it doesn't. It doesn't, you know, if people

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Speaker 2: are horrible and vindictive. But if people just go, I

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Speaker 2: don't really like you, I don't vibe with you, I'm like, cool,

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Speaker 2: Go find someone you like and vibe with. And I

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Speaker 2: long as you actually want to vibe with someone, doesn't

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Speaker 2: have to be me, and listen to someone or learn

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Speaker 2: And even sometimes there's no bigger critic of Craig Harper

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Speaker 2: we put up Harry Garside that an interview I did

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Speaker 2: It's like that's and I know I'm not an idiot,

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Speaker 2: at promoting the things that I have coming up. Considering

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Speaker 2: how much normal people in my position promote the fuck

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Speaker 2: I'm shit. So here's what I'm going to tell you.

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Speaker 1: Oh whoa right, people have been stomping their feet for

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Speaker 2: Come on, oh have they? Though? I have? So Bendigo, bendigo,

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Speaker 2: I'm coming to you on Sunday, August eighteen. I've written

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Speaker 2: We're opening new doors. Some of it's based on my

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Speaker 2: I've gleaned over the last five years four years since

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Speaker 2: I've really been at the coal face of public workshops.

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Speaker 2: But it's all about helping you become a better version

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Speaker 2: i'm there, while i'm there, because I can, I am

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Speaker 2: doing an interactive kind of workshop called Stop Wasting Your Potential.

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Speaker 2: Stuff with food, stuff with sleep, stuff with a drugs,

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Speaker 2: What is that about in the zone, out of the zone,

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Speaker 2: the sociology, the emotion, and the physiology of changing your

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Speaker 2: body forever. That is September ten, online, seven toll nine pm.

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Speaker 2: It's called Love You Body. All of that shit is

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Speaker 2: on my website. Melissa is going to be so proud

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Speaker 2: of me. It's Craig Harper dot net. Get the fuck along,

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Speaker 2: book yourself a ticket or twenty five bring one hundred friends,

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Speaker 2: Hell?

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Speaker 1: Harps great heart. But twenty twenty four national tour has

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Speaker 2: humans and selfishly, selfishly, the beauty of doing workshops for

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Speaker 2: The revelation of the gospel of self help and personal transformation.

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Speaker 2: So introducing my new fifty year body Transformation Challenge. And

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Speaker 2: and some of the comments are actually like, people are like,

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Speaker 1: that's I.

430
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 2: Think that's interesting. What makes you think you like, why

431
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 2: do you think you were a facade? Why were you

432
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 2: not just you but keeping an experience understandably hidden from the.

433
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 1: World because shame and guilt.

434
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: But that doesn't make you a facade like you weren't

435
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 2: like you weren't a fraud. You were just authentic you

436
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: who'd had an experience that you didn't want people to

437
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 2: know about. I mean, and that's very understandable, right, Yeah,

438
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 2: But I.

439
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: Think on alongside of that, and maybe if we go

440
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: deeper to that that experience was the consequence and not

441
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: the cause. The cause was maybe my inability prior to

442
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: that to have been in a circumstance at the time

443
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:39,239
Speaker 1: I needed to develop great intimacy and connection skills and

444
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: relationship skills and communication skills, those things I just didn't

445
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: really grasp rights, which left me vulnerable to having experience

446
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 1: And for anyone that doesn't know what I'm referring to,

447
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 1: that's childhood sexual abuse. So that's a consequence. So this,

448
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: so I think, when, but what I would say about

449
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: when we share, they're out secret us or riv at

450
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: us openly. And I've had this conversation with a lot

451
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 1: of people. Some I think that we need to be

452
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: self aware and really understanding of where we are at

453
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: when we share it, and that it's not a burden

454
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: to others, but it is. It is a place of connection,

455
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 1: understanding and inspiration. So I can say this happened to me,

456
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: which is a heavy topic, but when it's said to people,

457
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: they can go, oh, wow, me too. There's light at

458
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: the end of my tunnel, or I'm not the only one,

459
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: whereas there's sometimes people can be at the very beginning

460
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 1: of their sharing and they're not healed and they're hurt

461
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: and they're angry, and it lands with other people and

462
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: there's this expectation that the other people they're not getting inspired.

463
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: They're kind of having to hold this space and go

464
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: what do we do with this? This is dark and heavy?

465
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 2: Well you raise a really good point, and well a

466
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: bunch of points, and thank you for being brave and sharing,

467
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 2: and that is that. You know, sometimes opening the door

468
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: isn't a good idea, right, It's like it's very you

469
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 2: need to be and when I say you, I meant

470
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: us the individual. We need to be ready. It needs

471
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 2: to be for the right reason. It needs to be

472
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 2: in the right moment, the right time, with the right person.

473
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: You know. It's not something that you want to blurt out,

474
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 2: you know. And I think like this is you know,

475
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: we've spoken a few times, and we won't open the

476
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 2: door too wide on that. But you know that Abigail Shreier,

477
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 2: the author who wrote Bad Therapy, essentially, she wasn't saying

478
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: that talk therapy is bad. She was saying that talk

479
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 2: therapy isn't always the best thing for every person in

480
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 2: every situation. And there might have been a time where

481
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: I don't know where you might have opened the door,

482
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: or you might have revealed that experience to the world

483
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: or to someone and it might not have produced a

484
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 2: good outcome. But you know, you don't know, do you.

485
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 2: And it's like that's why I mean, this is a

486
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: great conversation because I think it highlights the fact that

487
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 2: there are no fucking absolute rules to this stuff. It's

488
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 2: not like, oh, did you have this happen? All right?

489
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 2: Here are the five steps? You know, you know, this

490
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: is how you grieve, all right? There's a chart put

491
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 2: it on the wall, you know, first seven days and

492
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 2: then day eight to fourteen. It's like it doesn't It's

493
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: like it's like the fucking food pyramid. It's like how

494
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: do you get strong? It's like, well, who for whose body?

495
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: Who's mind, Who's life, who's genetics? Whose experiences? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

496
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: And that's why I think like leaning in and feeling

497
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 2: what you feel. But like you've spoken a lot about

498
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 2: doctor Bill. Now I think hard of you, correct me,

499
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: because I do not know and you do know. But

500
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: I think part of the progress and the I guess

501
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 2: the growth that's come through your work with him has

502
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: been at least as much about just who he is

503
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: as a person as the actual technique of therapy.

504
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

505
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you trust him and like him.

506
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: Right exactly exactly, And it's someone to turn up and

507
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: just you know, it's like anything. You turn up when

508
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: it's hard, and you turn up when it's easy, and

509
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: you turn up when it's hard, and you turn up

510
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: when you need it. But for me, you turn up

511
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: when you think you don't need it and you get

512
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: even more out of it. Like it's a therapy is

513
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: such an ongoing process, and I think it looks and

514
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: feels very different for everyone. So I don't even think

515
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: talk therapy is even the same like mine with different

516
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: therapist self seen, they've been all very, very different. So

517
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: you've really got to figure out I guess what and

518
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: at different times, at different times you need to talk

519
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: and sometimes you need to do some of those weird

520
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: woo woo somatic get stuff out of your body. Do

521
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,719
Speaker 1: you deal with nervous system I reckon, I've still got

522
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: a lot of somatic stuff to resolve, like where my

523
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: nervous system sends me into an unconscious spin and then

524
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: you can't talk therapy yourself out of that because because

525
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: that just takes place, and then our little reason making

526
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: machines in our head just go and tell a story. Hmm.

527
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: It's so true. It's so true. How I remember years ago,

528
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: Like I don't get anxious that much, but I remember

529
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: years ago, I was doing a gig. It was a

530
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: big gig. It was one of the biggest gigs I'd

531
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: ever done to that point in time. It was about

532
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: a thousand people, and I felt scared, yeah, yeah, and

533
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: I felt nervous, and I was probably I don't know,

534
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: it was probably ten years ago. And I mean not

535
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: falling apart, but just like fucking shorter breath and like

536
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: and sweaty hands, and I don't like I don't like it,

537
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: so I have it only how we all have these

538
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 2: little protocols and habits and rituals, right, So if I'm

539
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: doing a gig, this is what happens. Like I've done

540
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks a gig in conference centers

541
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 2: where you go and generally they'll go, well, Craig, you're

542
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: on at nine point thirty. We want you to Sometimes

543
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: I'll say we want you to do a sound check

544
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: at eight, which is quite silly because you walk in

545
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: and go check one, two, and it's like anyone could

546
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: have done that. The microphone's working, and so are the speakers.

547
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: But anyway, I think it's because they like to make

548
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: sure you're in town, you've arrived for the event. But

549
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: I do that. But what I don't like is when,

550
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: which is nobody's fault, it's just something I've got to

551
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: deal with. Is when let's say you're talking at nine

552
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: point thirty, So you get there and you walk in

553
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: the back at nine point fifteen and Brian puts on

554
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,239
Speaker 2: a lapel mic and then you look down and you go,

555
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: all right, well, I'm on in nine minutes. Cool, and

556
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: then I go I'll be back in a second. I

557
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: generally walk out of the room and I'll walk three

558
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: hundred meter it is one way, three hundred meters the

559
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: other way. Then I come back and I'm now I'm

560
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: on in four minutes. But sometimes they just go on

561
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: and on and on. So you're standing at the side anyway,

562
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: I was meant to go on it, let's say nine

563
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: point thirty, and at ten to ten, I'm still not on,

564
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, you can only peek.

565
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: So I mean time, right, Yeah.

566
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: So I'm sitting against the side of the auditorium on

567
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: a chair and I could just feel my heart rate

568
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: in my neck. I could feel a pulse in my neck.

569
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is this is not optimal for fucking

570
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: getting on stage and being hilarious and calm and connected.

571
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: And you know. So I did some box breathing, and

572
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: I know the theory of it, right, but I'd never

573
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: because I'm like, yeah, I don't need box breathing. I'm

574
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: Craig Arper. I'm a fucking you know, like I know,

575
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: a complete fucking idiot. I know anyway. So I do

576
00:31:55,280 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: five seconds in, five seconds, hold, five seconds out, five

577
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: seconds hold. I do that for about ninety seconds, and

578
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: I feel my whole body just calm down. I feel

579
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: my heart rates slow, I feel my sympathetic nervous system

580
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: just calm, calm the farm just kick in. I could

581
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, you don't know, but I literally

582
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: felt the adrenaline. It feels like I felt the adrenaline

583
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: just kind of disappear, and my whole emotional and psychological

584
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: and physical state went from like elevated in a bad

585
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: way to calm in a good way. So, yeah, you're right,

586
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: there are some things that we can't just think our

587
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: way out of in the moment. We need to do

588
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: something to create that physiological shift in the moment. And

589
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: whether or not that's box breathing or meditating or fucking

590
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: you know, going and punching a heavy bag like you

591
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: might for one minute, or lying on the floor and

592
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 2: cuddling your dog. Right.

593
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you remind me of the first fight in twenty

594
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: nineteen I had, so I'd had a two or three

595
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: year break. First fight back in and I remember being

596
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: and it was at Matthew Flinders Hotel. I still there

597
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: and my opponent I get, I turn up and like

598
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: my my coach, so he's like, you're you're fighting a

599
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: NIX Comms game fighter. And I'm like, what, mate, bro,

600
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: Like I had three years off, what are you doing?

601
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: And like I never know whether to believe him. So

602
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: he's amping me up anyway, He's doing all the things

603
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: to pull on my strings. And then I get there

604
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: and my opponent's changed anyway, so then it's I'm fighting

605
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: a chick ten kilos heavier, all right, all right, whatever.

606
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: But I remember being in this in the side room.

607
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: I'd got I thought of my very first fight and

608
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: I remember having like red jelly beans before get blood sugar, like,

609
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: get ready. I'm in there and I'm psyching myself up.

610
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: Do you reckon? Tiffany hook needs any psycing up already,

611
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: So so I get in the ring, total adrenal dump.

612
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: I was like, oh God, yes, so I've cooked it.

613
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: I've cooked this. I've just burnt the motor out. It

614
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: was such a I was like, that was a silly

615
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: thing to do. You needed to calm down. The body

616
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: was producing all the adrenaline and nor ap nephyn that

617
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: you needed, and you've gone and jabbed more in there

618
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: with your mind crazy.

619
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: Well, there's a whole area of intersection of psychology and

620
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: physiology in sports science which is around arousal. This is

621
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: no revelation to you. You're a boxer, but trying to

622
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: find the right level of arousal for your sport, for

623
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 2: your skill, for the skill that's required to be executed,

624
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: and then also for the duration of the event. Like

625
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: if your arousal is fifteen out of ten, you're about

626
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: to have a ten round fight. Fucking good luck. You know.

627
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: If you're a level of arousal is like one hundred

628
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: meter Olympic finalist right in the on the track, so

629
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 2: nine and nine point seven seconds of glory, but you're

630
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: about to go and do a ten k run. Well,

631
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: it ain't gonna work. Yeah, that's so what happened? Did

632
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 2: you get?

633
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: Did you know? I won the fight, but I felt

634
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: very sloppy and out of I wasn't performing at my

635
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: optimal performance. So I won the fight, but I was

636
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: probably was one of the most disappointing outcomes for me,

637
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: because I just I'd been performing so well in sparring

638
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: and really I was really proud of that, and then

639
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: just the stuff that you know, like little uncontrollable things

640
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: that you're doing where you're like what hang on, well,

641
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: what's going on here? Like your body kind of And

642
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: that's what happens in somatic. This is when I talk

643
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: about sematic stuff in therapy. This is what happens when

644
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: you have a sematic response and you dissociate or you

645
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: and then we're in a dissociated state. You agree to things,

646
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: or you let things happen, or you behave in certain ways,

647
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: and then you step away from that, look back and

648
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: go the fuck have I doubt? Like why am I

649
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: letting this happen? It's very it's like you against you.

650
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: It's really confronting.

651
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 2: Can I ask you something and feel free to say

652
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 2: no and we can cut this out there? Go ahead, Well,

653
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: can I ask you about how what happened to you

654
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: and your childhood affects you now if it does, or

655
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: how it's changed, and feel free to not answer that.

656
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 2: But I feel like, you know, there'll be people listening

657
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 2: to this who will want to know the answer to

658
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: that question. Yeah.

659
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: So, I think one thing that it left me with

660
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 1: that I think is still an unconscious association is that

661
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: your body is your worth. And your body to someone else.

662
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: It is that if that for close relationships and intimacy,

663
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: you will something will be taken from you that you

664
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: don't want to give. So there's this confrontation. It left

665
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: me very compliant to other people's needs. So when I so,

666
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: that's what I say. When like this level of dissociation,

667
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: people pleasing someone asks, and even just in a work sense,

668
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 1: leaves asks for something, I'm like yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, whatever,

669
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: whatever whatever, until I walk away, And then that when

670
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: the body relaxes, I'm out of that situation. I'm like,

671
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: why did I agree? What do I agree to things

672
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: that aren't the best for me. I've talked to doctor

673
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: Bill about this. Children that experience that in childhood don't

674
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 1: they often have the same experiences in adulthood because they

675
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: don't their body. They don't understand red flags, they don't

676
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: understand boundaries. Boxing was appealing to me because there's clear

677
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: boundaries I can get in a ring. I know the rules.

678
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: The rules are clear. I don't make the rules or

679
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 1: set them so I can enforce them. In life, setting

680
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: boundaries is really hard, and in adulthood, I've myself in

681
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: situations that my mind boggles. I look back and go,

682
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: how could you have not seen that that was going

683
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: to happen and happening right under your nose? And it's confronting.

684
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: So and as each experience happens, I think it has

685
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: made me more and more have my walls up and fear.

686
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: And so what it ends up is a lack of

687
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: trust in self, which is really hard because when you

688
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: don't trust yourself, I mean, you can't trust anybody because

689
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: you're the one, You're the person.

690
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about trust. So for you, obviously, I

691
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: would imagine with more more so men than women, trust

692
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 2: has been an issue and probably is still an issue,

693
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 2: correct me if I fuck anything up? So how does

694
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: trust work with you? Now? Is it something that just

695
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: evolves where you you, as a byproduct of just being

696
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: around someone or having interactions with someone, you end up

697
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: just trusting them? Or is it a decision that you

698
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: make to trust somebody or something else? So tell me

699
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: about how you and it could be women or men,

700
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: and it could it could be you know, business life, money, relationships, intimacy, anything.

701
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: How does that work?

702
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: I think there's layers to it. I think when excuse me,

703
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: so let's use you and I as an example. So

704
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: when I approached you to I did some of your workshops,

705
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: you became a mentor to me. I really liked you.

706
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: Seemed like somebody who I loved what you spoke about.

707
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: I loved your authenticity, I loved your messages, and I

708
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: connected with that and I was like, this, this is

709
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: a good person. I want to be around him and

710
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: learn from him. And then when you kind of accepted

711
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: me in that world and said yep, you can come,

712
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: and you know, I was doing some volunteering at your events,

713
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, how lucky. And there was this

714
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: almost that validation of I'm so lucky. Oh wow, wow,

715
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: you know. But then I think there's that unconscious awareness

716
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: of why. And then when we worked together, I think

717
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: that came up a lot. And I don't know how

718
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: much you felt it, but I know that when we

719
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: went from me just helping out to you're a part

720
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: of the team and we'll pay you. Now, we'll pay

721
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: you and you can you can do some work with us, Yes,

722
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: there was a shift in me and I was like,

723
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 1: what's this all about? But I found there was this

724
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: layered expectation. What does he want from me? What does

725
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: he want from me now he wants and I had

726
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 1: this dichotomy of I am giving so much, I want

727
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: to do so well, and then also he just wants

728
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: to take what he's just going to want to take

729
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: from me. You know, I've thought good people have come

730
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: along before to be on my team, and they've really

731
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: done bad things. So if I thought they were good people,

732
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: maybe I'm thinking Harps as a good person and maybe

733
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: it's not. What if I'm wrong? And I asked you once,

734
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: maybe a year or two in do you trust when

735
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: we were having a deep mail do you trust me?

736
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: Do you trust me? And you said yes. I remember thinking, well,

737
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: why why does he trust me? When because I knew,

738
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: I still had walls up, and I'm like, why would

739
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: you trust me when I know I'm hard to get

740
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: to know and I'm not giving you and I'm being

741
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: a little bit elusive at times. So that challenged me

742
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: as well. And thank god you did trust me.

743
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 2: I could see you, I could see you behind all that.

744
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: Like I'm not trying to be too weird, but I

745
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: could see you. I knew you. I still know you.

746
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 2: I still know when you're grumpy, because you still get

747
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: grumpy and sometimes you get grumpy at me, and it's

748
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 2: okay because I know you the person apart from and

749
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: I understand the grumpiness and I understand you know, is

750
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: everything about you perfect? Know is everything about me perfect?

751
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,959
Speaker 2: Of course not right, but like for me, I don't

752
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: need perfection. I need authenticity, and you know, for you,

753
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: sometimes you like what I do like about you as

754
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: you essentially go, I'm having come of a day. I

755
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 2: don't know why, whereas most people would go, oh yeah,

756
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: all good, all good, but I know it's not all good.

757
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 2: So you're lying to you and you're lying to me.

758
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 2: So just I'm having a shitty day, and I go, cool, okay,

759
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: can I do anything? You're like nah, I'm like all right, Well,

760
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: if you have a revelation and you need something miserable, prick,

761
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 2: I'm over here, you know, So it's all good. Like

762
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: this is the you know, like there's a couple of

763
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: ways and this is going to say I've never said

764
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: this ever. I've never said this to you either, So

765
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: this is big, right, and it's not about it. It's

766
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: just people might find an interesting. So there's you, the

767
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 2: person that I even care about and know and want

768
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 2: to succeed and like for me. You know how I

769
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: said to you we're talking about recently. I think I

770
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 2: said to you. I definitely said it on a podcast.

771
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: It's like I used to say to my trainers, don't

772
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: pretend to care, really care, like actually care. So I

773
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: know that that for me to be really living in

774
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: alignment with my values, I need to want you to

775
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 2: do great as much as I want me to do great. Right,

776
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: And that's not always easy because we are selfish and

777
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 2: I'm selfish, But as much as I Craig Harper have

778
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: the capacity to, I genuinely want you to succeed and thrive.

779
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 2: And if that means that eventually you do way better

780
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 2: than me, I still want that, right. So there's that

781
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: there's that art where you you care about people, and

782
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: I care about you. How your dad is? Like? You

783
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 2: care about how my dad is? You know, how's your dad?

784
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 2: Can I do anything? I'm like, how you know what's

785
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: going on? How's you know? When you know when Coach

786
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:21,479
Speaker 2: passed away? You know that was fucking horrendous. I can't

787
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 2: even imagine for you because you know she was your child,

788
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: and then it hurt me to see you hurt. You

789
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: know that, you know, like for me that tells me

790
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 2: how much I care about you is that I didn't

791
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: want to see you in pain like you know. So

792
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: there's all that, and then there's the other, much more

793
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: practical component, whereas I go, well, if I'm just being real,

794
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: tif's pretty good at about twenty things that are of

795
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 2: value to me. So there's a practical component, and it's like,

796
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 2: I'm valuable to you too, Like I've helped be your brand,

797
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: your currency, I've given you exposure that you wouldn't have got,

798
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah. But at the same time,

799
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 2: you've done all that and more for me, right, So

800
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: this is the beauty of Like when people think that

801
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: a strategic alliance can't coexist with an authentic friendship, it's

802
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: not true. It's because on a practical level, you bring

803
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 2: skills and attributes and qualities and talent to the you

804
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: project that I do not have and Melissa doesn't have,

805
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: but you have it. Melissa brings stuff that I don't have.

806
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: I bring stuff that you too don't have. You know. So,

807
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: But at the same time, in the middle of all

808
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 2: of this collaboration and this synergy, can we be good humans?

809
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: And the answer is yeah, you know, and it's like that,

810
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: but like for me that I know we're getting deep now,

811
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: but that truly walking the talk that like not just

812
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: the shit that you say on a podcast, not just

813
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: the you know, the public persona and the whatever and

814
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 2: the you know, what are your values and I but actually,

815
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 2: like when no one's looking doing that, that's hard. And

816
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 2: if anyone says it's not hard, they're not doing it properly.

817
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 2: Because it is so easy to be selfish and self centered. Yeah,

818
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: you know, and that's that that for me, it's that

819
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: having like what makes it easier for me is because

820
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 2: I do genuinely have a purpose that is bigger than

821
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 2: just me and that doesn't kind of go away that

822
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 2: that purpose and those people and the needs. So you know,

823
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: but how do you feel talking about this stuff publicly now?

824
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: Because it would have terrified you ten years ago? I imagine.

825
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I love talk. I actually love talking about

826
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 1: it now because it gives me clarity and it even hearing,

827
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: Like sometimes I listen back. I was on someone else's

828
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: podcast recently. I listened back yesterday and you know, he

829
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 1: just took me into areas of it. It's just interesting

830
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: to hear yourself talk about something. I think the power

831
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: of hearing yourself you get a different perspective to sit

832
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: and listen and go, oh yeah, right, yeah, that's different,

833
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 1: that's interesting. I'm just such a big advocate for talking

834
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: about your stuff, sharing it and in the right way obviously,

835
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't think we can grow

836
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 1: without doing that, and I don't think we can connect.

837
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: Like for someone who struggled with connection and being real

838
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: and being open and being seen, I mean, that's my therapy,

839
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: so I welcome it. And if for some people that

840
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: looks like oversharing and being the center of attention, what

841
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: I'd grapple with is because of that lack of trust

842
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: and that independence and that self preservation, it leans me

843
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: into feeling disconnected and selfish. So I want connection more

844
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: than anything. I want collaboration, but that relationship with trust

845
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: and it up against what's previously happened at times prevents that.

846
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: So sometimes I feel both lonely and selfish, like you're

847
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: a lone and selfish, that you're a self fulfilling prophecy.

848
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: And I'm still trying to figure out how I really

849
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: overcome that.

850
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well I think it's a it's a constant work.

851
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 2: You know, it's an ongoing work. And you know, I

852
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: look at your development and where you're at your age,

853
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 2: and I've said this to you. You know, I'm twenty

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Speaker 2: years nineteen years older than you, and I think you know,

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Speaker 2: it's like you're especially because you know you've really only

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Speaker 2: been doing this for five years, you know, like where

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Speaker 2: you've been in this space of where you've really opened

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Speaker 2: the self awareness door and changing your life and your

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Speaker 2: thinking and habits and then influencing others and having a

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Speaker 2: public platform, like in the context of my life, you've

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Speaker 2: been doing it for five minutes and you're any very good,

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Speaker 2: So you know, now speaking and very good. We started

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Speaker 2: the show with a couple of promos. Don't forget everyone, Bendigo, Melwyn, Malula,

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Speaker 2: bar Jumbo, go to my sidecocarba dot net. But Tiffany

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Speaker 2: and Cook also is running a little kind of program

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Speaker 2: that sounded condescending, a great, big, fucking, a huge program,

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Speaker 2: fucking the program of programs. So if you want to

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Speaker 2: get punched in the face or learn how to punch

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Speaker 2: someone else in the face, tiff how do we do that?

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Speaker 1: Ah, I'm running a four week boxing Masterclass series. There

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Speaker 1: are two hour sessions on a Sunday and I'm partnering

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Speaker 1: with Boxing Fit Port Melton. One of my friends just

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Speaker 1: bought that place and she's doing some really great stuff

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Speaker 1: at building Community, so I'm running it there on Sundays

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Speaker 1: at eleven. Then typically, like I have in the past,

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Speaker 1: we go out and hang out at a cafe and

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Speaker 1: have lunch because I like people to build connection and

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Speaker 1: really it's amazing. So and also so that starts on

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Speaker 1: eighteenth for four Sundays in Port Melbow and next Sunday

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do a free anyone can rock up

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Speaker 1: and do it. Taste a one hour session at probably

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Speaker 1: eleven thirty. So go to my website and send me

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Speaker 1: an email or something if you want to come and

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Speaker 1: just do a bit of a learning overview, connect, throw

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Speaker 1: some punches, learn a bit of technique.

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Speaker 2: It's fun or need someone in the balls, probably not

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Speaker 2: that well done. You thank you for opening the door

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Speaker 2: and for being surreal and raw, invulnerable and to you everybody,

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Speaker 2: we appreciate you, We love you. Thank you for your supports,

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Speaker 2: thank you for the feedback. If you're not a member

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Speaker 2: of the You Project podcast facebook page, what.

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Speaker 1: Are you doing, get around it?

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Speaker 2: What are you doing? Quickly? Quickly, quickly, quickly, get over there.

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Speaker 2: And also if you're not following me on instag come

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Speaker 2: on Craig Anthony Harper, And if you're not following, if

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Speaker 2: you're not following Tiffany and Cook, what are you? You've

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Speaker 2: got about nine pages.

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Speaker 1: Tiffany and Co. That's Tiffany with a Got Rolled with

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Speaker 1: the Punches podcast. I've got Lunar and Bear lunar and

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Speaker 1: we've got a lunar page. I've got a bar page.

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Speaker 1: You've got a Luna and the Lunar and Bear page.

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Speaker 2: You should have just gone with one. Thanks everyone,