1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gadigal Land Always was, always 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land. Hey Chicks, I'm sal and I'm 3 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: out And this is Two Broke Chicks, the show that 4 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: shares life lessons and tips to help make you rich 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 1: in life. 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: And today we are joined. 7 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: By Millie Rose Banister, the founder of All Kind the 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: programs teaching Young Ozsie is how to safely and effectively 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: provide mental health support to people they care about. You 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: may also recognize her for her absolutely fucking iconic response 11 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: to a very disappointing question about new media and the 12 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: federal budget on a recent episode of the project, which 13 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: we will absolutely get into. 14 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: Welcome. I'm so excited to be I'm so excited. 15 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: We are so excited to have you. It's going to 16 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: be a good old chat. But we were saying off 17 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: air that before we get into the episodes, we love 18 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: to start with a life lesson of the week, So, 19 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: as our guest, would you like to kick us off? 20 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: So, like you were saying, I was down in Parliament 21 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: House last week and I've been thinking a lot because 22 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 2: I've come into the corporate world, like not having corporate experience, 23 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 2: and I've found myself in a lot of situations where 24 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: I'm supposed to like look and present myself in a 25 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 2: certain way that's really professional, right, And I don't necessarily 26 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 2: have corporate clothes, and I feel like they're really fucking expensive. 27 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 2: It's very intimidating to be like, oh, like I want to, 28 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 2: you know, bring in my personal style. Anyway, I don't 29 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: think you need corporate clothes, and I don't think you 30 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: do not need to go out to Myra and Q 31 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 2: and like buy all these expensive things. I think you 32 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 2: can totally do that if you want to, especially if 33 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: you're going for like a staple wardrobe thing. But I'm 34 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: just coming back to my passionate love of thrifting. 35 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, you were in a safe place here, Yeah. 36 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, And like last week and I had three outfits 37 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: that I needed for this parliament House situation and they're 38 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: all thrifted, and not by like choice, it's just what 39 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: I packed because my entire wardrobe is thrifted. And you know, 40 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: if we're thinking about corp where it's like a lot 41 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 2: of blazers, like what you chicks are wearing right now, Like, 42 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: I love it that that's your vibe, that's your style, 43 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: that's your personal bread blazer and so I was also 44 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 2: looking at like dish I love Female Founded, you know, 45 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: Ossie whatever. But I was looking at their winter coats 46 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: that have just like popped up in my emails, and 47 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: I'm like, these are so chic and they're so good looking, 48 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: but they're like, you know, three hundred and fifty dollars, 49 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: which I guess in the grand scheme of things isn't 50 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 2: huge for coat, but they're wool blended, but they're only 51 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: ten percent wool. Yeah, And I'm like, yeah, I just 52 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: like scored this ninety percent wool like coat, like tan 53 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 2: coat that's so gorgeous from like some kick ass woman 54 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: in the sixties, like wearing it like in cbed, you know, 55 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 2: to her corporate job. And I got it for one 56 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 2: hundred dollars and it's better quality and it's like lived 57 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 2: in and it's such a vibe. 58 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: I got a coat from Vinnie's when we're in Canberra 59 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: the dirty word, honestly, and. 60 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: The parliament women probably have all these like sheet clothes 61 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: that they just don't have even the men the best. 62 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: I got it from the men's section, like when we're 63 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: buying blazers or jackets or anything, like they're the jackets, blazers, 64 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: coats were straight to the men's and like digging in. 65 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 2: Their cotton shirts as well. 66 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: And I literally got the best coat again, Like I 67 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: swear it was like ninety percent wool or something and 68 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: it was sixty bucks. Yeah, they're earing him and hell 69 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: with me. Yeah. And also it means that nobody's going 70 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: to be wearing it either. Even if it's a staple 71 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: and a capsule piece and it's classic, it still means that, 72 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: like you're gonna walk into a room and nobody else 73 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: is going to have. 74 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: It, which is also Yeah. 75 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: And also when somebody's like, oh my god, I love 76 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: your blazer. Where did you get it? And you say it's. 77 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 2: En, I say that I feel bad too. But also 78 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: I'm like, but here like the best vintage ships so 79 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: you can get to your own unique piece. 80 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. That's a really good piece of advice. 81 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: What's your life lessen? Okay, so you're about to jump 82 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: on the table. I'm about to let Tom cruise this bitch. 83 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: I was thinking more cady ugly, but whatever, Yeah, we'll 84 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: go with that. 85 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: Okay. 86 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: So I have been on a very love hate relationship 87 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: with Pinterest because Pinterest is just full of ads. Like 88 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: I looked up leopard print pants and the first three 89 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: results were not leopid print pants. They were ads, and 90 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: it wasn't even leopard print pants, right. I have a 91 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: hack to get rid of all the ads on your Pinterest. 92 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:34,799 Speaker 1: It is so good. 93 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 2: I don't know if. 94 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: This is a glitch in the system or whatever, but 95 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: if you hide on your feed five ads, it removes 96 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: all the ads, and then after a little while maybe 97 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: the cache resets or whatever, and some ads will maybe 98 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: pop up a little again. Once you hide them, they're 99 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: gone again. So when you go hide posts like this 100 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: on an ad, it goes away, and you just get 101 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: your Pinterest f paid back without seventy billion ads. And 102 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is a glitch. If Pinterest 103 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: does see this and fix it, listen to your users. 104 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: There are too many ads on Pinterest, and I've had enough. 105 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: The fact that the usability of the app is botched 106 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: because a whole screen can be ads that aren't. 107 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: Even relevant to your search term. 108 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: Isn't even relevant to the search term. But I just 109 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: think is also really yuck. I think people are using 110 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: your app for a service, and I totally understand. You 111 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: have to make money. I was at a point that 112 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: I was like, I'll pay. Yeah. I was at a 113 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: point that I was like, I will pay like five dollars. Yeah, 114 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: i'll pay for you know, like YouTube, you do that 115 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: a free, I'll pay if you use a service enough. 116 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: I think it makes sense. I would literally pay five 117 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: dollars a month. I would probably pay ten dollars a 118 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: month to just get ad free Pinterest, but this, no, 119 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: I don't have to, but I really help. Pinterest does 120 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: and she did. But it's good because I feel like 121 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: I'm falling back in love with Pinterest again. Yeah, because 122 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: like before, I was like, what is this shit? 123 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pissing me off. I think it's a better 124 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: dopamine scroll as well, because it doesn't make you feel shit. 125 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: When you get off, you're like, okay, that was nice. 126 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you don't spend money. We call it digital 127 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: window shopping. 128 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. Love that Okay. 129 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: My life lesson of the week is that gen Z 130 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: and millennials will make up forty eight percent of the 131 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: vote in the next Australian election. Yeah, I'll know what you. 132 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 133 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: So the twenty twenty five federal election is the first 134 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: time that gen Z and millennial Australians will actually out 135 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: vote baby. 136 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: Boomers, like there are more of us than baby. 137 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: Boomer voters for the first time, and so many young 138 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: people I think are really disenfranchised by politics in Australia 139 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: and feel like I'm just one person. My vote isn't 140 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: going to count. I don't even like any of the 141 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: people you know who are up in the running, which 142 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: you know, I understand, but also I do think that 143 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: it is on us, as young people and the future 144 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: of this country to educate ourselves and understand the power 145 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: of our vote. 146 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: And at the. 147 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: Time of when this episode will drop, the election is 148 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: coming up on the third of May. We have a 149 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: couple of weeks left. That is still plenty of time 150 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: to educate yourself. So we'll put some links in the 151 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: show notes so that you can listen up. Because I 152 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: was like, do you know what I feel like? We 153 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: were taught about how politics works in Australia and how 154 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: voting the voting system works in Australia. In year six, 155 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: we all went on a little trip to Canberra a tree, 156 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: yeah as a tree, and then yeah, we went to 157 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: questicon at the same time. And then you never really 158 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: kind of hear about it again in school, so we'll 159 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:41,679 Speaker 1: put some links in the show notes. But Big Small 160 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: Talk did a really great episode recently unlike Australian Election 161 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: one oh one, which I think is really helpful and 162 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: puts it in like really understandable terms. We also have 163 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: an episode on its from the last last election. We 164 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: can link in the show notes on how voting works. Yes, yeah, 165 00:07:58,360 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: shall we get into the episode? 166 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: Love it? 167 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: Okay? So or anyone that missed it, can you give 168 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: us a little BTS recap on your recent trip to 169 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: Canberra and also what happened on the project? 170 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: Yep. So, the Minister for Finance and Women currently in government, 171 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: Katie Gallagher, she invited the group, the group that you've 172 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: seen all over you know, ABC and everything, which I 173 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: think is pretty iconic because she's Minister for Finance and 174 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 2: Minister for Women and she invited a bunch of young 175 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: women to the Federal budget lock up for the very 176 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: first time in history, and I think that's iconic in itself. 177 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: And she was just really like she didn't just humor us, 178 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 2: she like actually answered all of our questions and she's 179 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 2: super down to earth and so we all like packed 180 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: our little Blazers mind thrifted obviously, and we came down 181 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: to Canberra and yeah, like, as you said, I haven't 182 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 2: been particularly invested in politics, you know, ever, really like 183 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 2: it went over my head in year seven, and I 184 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: never really thought about it since I was overseas during 185 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 2: my kind of formative years, and so I wasn't voting 186 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 2: like I actually was some voting because I was overseas, 187 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 2: so I didn't really care or understand it. And I 188 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 2: think politics in general is exclusive by design, Like I 189 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: think it's supposed it's you know, it's written and it's 190 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: spoke spoken about in a really kind of complex way 191 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 2: that is supposed to go over our heads, specially women. 192 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: Confusing. 193 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 2: Yes, it's on purpose, Yeah, because they know that if 194 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 2: we get into their spaces and we understand things, we're 195 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 2: going to be asking too many critical questions to go. 196 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: Away to a second hold on? Yeah, is that then 197 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: what happens with this? And they're like, wait, no, we 198 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: don't want you to realize that. 199 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're a nuisance. And that became the tone of 200 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 2: the reporting that happened around our presence, and I actually 201 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: didn't really think about the fact that it might get 202 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 2: picked up by media. It kind of just happened, and 203 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: I'm not really sure whether the minister's team thought about 204 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: that either, but we kind of went in to lock 205 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: up like two hours after the traditional press, including like 206 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: the daily ours, who were doing like a really epic 207 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: job of all that political reporting, and we kind of 208 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 2: like waltzed in and we're like, ah, and bring in 209 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 2: our snacks and our coffees. And I was sitting next 210 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: to Hanna Ferguson and we were like, okay, cool, what 211 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: do we do now? And then we got like given 212 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: the budget papers, which are usually a stack of papers 213 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: like wheeled like wheeled into the rooms. They're supposed to 214 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: be intimidating for journalists and you know this high, but 215 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: we got given a USB because it's twenty two and 216 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 2: fab and we like plung them into the laptops and 217 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 2: we're like, what the hell is going on here? And 218 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 2: so we kind of just like I was like command 219 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 2: effing like mental health and like women pay gap and 220 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 2: all of that kind of stuff that was interesting to 221 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 2: me and my audience and the people I represent. And 222 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 2: then we had like a revolving door of ministers coming 223 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: in from the Labor Party like to answer any particular 224 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: questions we had about you know, tax bracket creep and 225 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: cost of living and mental health in my case, and 226 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: we were able to ask unapproved critical questions about the 227 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 2: policies that were coming up in these budgets. 228 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: And that's really powerful, Yeah, that I want to highlight. 229 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: And what you've just said unapproved. You didn't send a 230 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 1: list of questions that they were like yep, you can 231 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: ask that one. No, you can't ask that one. And 232 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: that's really really key in that sentence as well. 233 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was pretty cool. And then we 234 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: about forty minutes after we went to the press gallery 235 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: and watched Katie and the treasurer Jim Chalmers deliver their 236 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 2: press thing that they do to all of the traditional 237 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 2: journalists and everyone knows each other by name, and Jim's like, okay, Sally, 238 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 2: your next, and like Mark and da da da da 239 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: dah from all of the traditional outlets, and we kind 240 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 2: of like waltz in there like in our like hot outfits, 241 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: and we sit down at the back and everyone's like, 242 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: who the fuck are they? What outlet are they from? 243 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 2: And then I think it probably kind of just like 244 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 2: spread around. It's such a bubble, friend, Yeah, it's such 245 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 2: a bubble down there, and I never realized that. I've 246 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: only been there twice now and it has rewired a 247 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 2: part of my brand. I'm like, wow, I didn't know 248 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 2: that the decisions that were being made about us were 249 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 2: made in such a bubble because a lot of these people, 250 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: like they often live in Camera if they're you know, 251 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: from the Act or whatever, or if they don't live 252 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 2: in Canberra, they're living in you know, a really wealthy 253 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 2: suburb and travel to Canberra for like twenty weeks. 254 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: Out of that political journalists. 255 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 2: No, sorry, like the ministers, the people in that area, 256 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 2: the people passing these legislations and bills and everything about 257 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 2: our lives, like they're in this kind of bubble, and 258 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 2: I can. 259 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: Represent like a certain population of Australia that is. 260 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think there's definitely diversity and there's epic people 261 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: in that building, but for a long time it's just 262 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 2: been like men in tires. Yeah, and the journalists have 263 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 2: also been that way as well. And so like the 264 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 2: journalists like, it must be such a tough fucking job, 265 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: because it is so I would be shitting myself if 266 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 2: I was on that floor asking you know, questions and stuff. 267 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: And trying to digest the federal budget like it is 268 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: so much information, so like, kudos to them, And I 269 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 2: think the whole point of us being there is not 270 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 2: to replace them. It's to be in addition to so 271 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: that we can speak to audiences who aren't reading the 272 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 2: Age or watching Q and A, but are scrolling their 273 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: social media feeds in like this quiet desperation to try 274 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: and figure out, like, well, why am I voting, who 275 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 2: am I voting for? And why does it matter to 276 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 2: my life? Like how is it going to affect me 277 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 2: and my decisions that I make every day. 278 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: It's also important to acknowledge the fact that again, like 279 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: you said, you're not trying to replace anyone or take 280 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: anyone's job, but political journalists they are the experts, if 281 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: you will, in this area. Right, They're in this bubble, 282 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: that's their bread and butter. The way that they are 283 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: also going to communicate that as an expert is someone 284 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: who is quite well versed in that. And I think 285 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: the role of new media is so key because for 286 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: so many people, as we've said at the start of 287 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: this episode, it's confusing. So new media coming in can 288 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: then translate in a way that the audiences of GenZ 289 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: and millennials can understand because as well, we have different interests. 290 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: We have different interests in what we want to see 291 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: in the budget versus maybe a fifty year old white 292 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: man who lives in Mossman. You know, like there are 293 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: different expectations of what we want to see. And so 294 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: isn't more people understanding and having politics communicated to them 295 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: in a way that they understand and is important to 296 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: them better for everyone? But I think that's what's the 297 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: fear of maybe some that already existed, because, like you said, 298 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: they don't want us to understand because then we are 299 00:14:54,160 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: asking more questions and we're more equipped with the knowledge. Yeah, exactly. 300 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: And I think it's important that we're speaking to people 301 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: where they will actually hear it, yes, and social media 302 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: is where young people hear it. 303 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 2: But we did touch on it briefly. 304 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: That you did go viral for your spot on the 305 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: project following the budget as well, and following a lot 306 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: of these headlines about new media and their role you 307 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: know at these sort of events. Yeah, can you walk 308 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: us through what happened? And I guess like your biggest 309 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: takeaway from that experience as well? 310 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 2: So I was on the air live for like two 311 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: to three minutes on the project, and they pitched it 312 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: to me, like a producer chatted to me for like 313 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 2: ten minutes to see if I wanted to do it, 314 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: and he was like really lovely, and he was really 315 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 2: kind of like, I guess, backing me in in terms 316 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 2: of like, you know, traditional media like having a real 317 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: crack at us and the project just wanting to kind 318 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 2: of dig a little bit into that, but also like 319 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: keep it like harder and ask me what snacks we 320 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: brought into lock up and things like that, and you know, 321 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: also touching on the seriousness of you know, the lack 322 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: of mental health funding and things like that. And I 323 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 2: was like, okay, cool, I can do this. Yeah, And 324 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: then so I get on and they don't ask any 325 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 2: questions that he's suggested. They just asked me like, you know, 326 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 2: how to go viral and like how to do it 327 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 2: get ready with me? And yeah, whether I taught elbow 328 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 2: delulu with no cululu and things like that, and like 329 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: all of that's funny, Like it's fine. It's part of 330 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: like you know, potentially our makeup and our culture online, 331 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 2: Like that's all fine, But the fact that they didn't 332 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: ask me anything about like what's in the budget for 333 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 2: young people? Why I was there, like why I deserved 334 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 2: a place, you know, in that room, that kind of thing, 335 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 2: And so I kind of just came off it like 336 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: incredibly deflated, and I was like, what the fuck just happened? 337 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: And I didn't even say thank you, Like I didn't 338 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 2: even say thanks for having me when they say goodbye, 339 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 2: because I was like, I didn't have a good time, 340 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: Like I'm not saying thank you because I had a 341 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 2: shit time for. 342 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: The chicks who have missed it. What was your response 343 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: to the question. 344 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, so they were asking actually about Jim Chalmers delivered 345 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 2: the budget, how would he go viral? And I was like, no, 346 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 2: like not to get ready with me. Maybe if he 347 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: dropped some funding that was really crucial to mental health, 348 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 2: that would go viral. And I think that I don't know. 349 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 2: I think by the end of it, I was just 350 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,959 Speaker 2: so frustrated and I'd gone a bit numb, and I 351 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 2: just like threw that out there because I was I 352 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 2: was annoyed, and it was. 353 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: When I watched it, I was like, that would have 354 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: been so easy to go deer in headlights and like 355 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: laugh at all they're like the quick witted response to that, 356 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: I was like, fuck, yeah, yeah you didn't, and you 357 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: said it so straight faced because that is the truth. 358 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: That is what would go viral with young people. And 359 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: you should be really proud of yourself because I think 360 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: it would be really easy to be like yeah, like yeah, 361 00:17:58,080 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: because it's scary. 362 00:17:59,040 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 2: You're on Life TV. 363 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: You're being purposely intimidated by people who were the famous 364 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: in Australia as well, Like they're well known. 365 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 2: People I really respect as well, like Balie, Like I 366 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 2: he's been like an incredible journalist and someone that I've 367 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: looked up to, like I studied journalism and like he's amazing. 368 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 2: And then for me to be able to be interviewed 369 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 2: by him and for him to ask me those questions 370 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 2: was like such a let down. It's a real shame. 371 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: But I think you should be really proud of yourself. 372 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: And I honestly think that perhaps, you know, maybe even 373 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 1: if they'd ask some of those questions, as annoying as 374 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: it is, like if they asked the questions that you 375 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: were prepped on, you probably would have given really helpful answers, yeah, 376 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: which would have been great. But I almost think that 377 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: in this case of silver lining is that it did 378 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: create a viral moment and it pointed out that you 379 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: and the people who were invited to Canberra deserve to 380 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: be there because you have important things to say, and 381 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: in that moment you said something really important that I 382 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: think made a huge impact, even if it wasn't what 383 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: you were originally prepped on. 384 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, and I think it just summed up 385 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 2: like the frustration that young people have in general and 386 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 2: the stereotypes around gen Z. 387 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: But that's all you would have to comment on that. 388 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: That's all you would know is that everyone will get 389 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: ready and. 390 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 391 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: But for people who do want to see improvements in 392 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: mental health support in Australia, what should we be paying 393 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: attention to in the next federal election. 394 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 2: This is a great question. I've started a series on 395 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 2: my social channels called vote like You mean It because 396 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 2: exactly like you were saying before, you know, we're uninformed 397 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 2: intentionally by design. And it can feel really overwhelming. Because 398 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 2: I said this the other day to someone at the ABC, 399 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 2: which I felt bad in the moment about, but I 400 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 2: think it's really true. We've inherited a bin fire and 401 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 2: been given a water pistol, like it's so hard to 402 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 2: feel any sense of hope at the moment. But I 403 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 2: think what I want to kind of generate within this 404 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: series is not just like you know, Civic's one on one, 405 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 2: but it's also this sense of optimism and being able 406 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 2: to use our vote in an informed and powerful way. 407 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 2: I never want to tell anyone to vote for who 408 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 2: to vote for, but I just want them to vote 409 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 2: informed and with a little bit more optimism than what 410 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: we've had in the past. And so, like you said, 411 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: we you know, young people make up the biggest voting block. 412 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 2: But I also think that it's interesting that we're kind 413 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 2: of moving away from this two party system. So the 414 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 2: last election, thirty percent of Aussie's, like one in three 415 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 2: of us were voting outside the two party system. So 416 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 2: that means that we're voting for the Greens, we're voting 417 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 2: for independence. There's twenty eight independent women running for MP 418 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 2: positions or defending them around Australia. We've got one hundred 419 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 2: and fifty electorates. We all live in one of them. 420 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 2: I think you and I live in the same one 421 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 2: with a Leger Spender as our MP, and so she's 422 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 2: obviously an independent and she flipped a liberal seat, this 423 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: liberal dude, and you know, ever since, she's been kind 424 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: of campaigning for things that are very values led, that 425 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 2: aligned with my values. And so you know, we've got 426 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 2: this like sense of hope in the air that you know, 427 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 2: we've got the young voters, we've got this cognition around 428 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 2: voting outside the two party system. Imagine if we had 429 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 2: like the people in power, were you know, a coalition 430 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 2: between the Greens and some independence, Like how sick would 431 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: that be? Yeah? That would be incredible. 432 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: Even I would say that I'm guilty of being like fucked. 433 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: You can just be like ough, like it just sometimes 434 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: feel lack, you're pushing a boulder upper hill in these scenarios. 435 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: But it is a really good reminder to focus on 436 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, gen z and millennials are 437 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: making up forty eight percent of voting this year, and 438 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: that more Greens and teels and independents are stepping into 439 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: roles that you know, they can do more in. So 440 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: it is really good to maybe take that mentality. 441 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 2: As well when we do go to the federal election 442 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 2: May three. We've got two papers, one of them obviously 443 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 2: the Senate, one of them the House of Reps, which 444 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 2: are our local MPs, the one hundred and fifty of them. 445 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 2: But we're voting for our one, our top spot, who 446 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 2: we want to represent our area and our issues at 447 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 2: a national scale, and obviously we number those like preferentially, 448 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: which is sick because that means unlike in America, where 449 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 2: the person who wins has just the loudest fan base, 450 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 2: we actually end up with someone who has like the 451 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 2: broadest level of support, which is it means that we 452 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 2: can vote more honestly and not just strategically, because I 453 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 2: think if we're in America, we'd go, oh, she won't win, 454 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 2: so I won't vote for her because I want to 455 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 2: use my vote for someone who could win, and so 456 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: they're never getting a chance. So I think that's really sick. 457 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 2: And I think like being really intentional about you know, 458 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 2: numbering like one to eight, really thinking about that, and 459 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: you know, you can do your own research in the meantime, 460 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 2: like there is still time. You can go to websites 461 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 2: like how they vote, so you can look in and 462 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 2: dig up their voting history, so it's not just like 463 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: what is on their billboards, but like how did they vote, 464 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 2: did they vote against protecting climate but wait, happens really? Yeah, 465 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 2: I didn't know about mental health. Yeah, so you can 466 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 2: like bring up receipts of like what they're actually voting for. Yeah, 467 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 2: so that's really important for like transparency and making that 468 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: your values are upheld by the person the money. Yeah. 469 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 2: And then you've got the Senate paper and there you 470 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 2: can vote above the line, which is kind of where 471 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 2: you vote for the parties like Okay, cool, I'm going 472 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 2: to vote Greens or the Independence or Labor whatever. But 473 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 2: if you vote below the line, which takes a little 474 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 2: bit longer, you can actually number your individuals. So if 475 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: you don't necessarily trust the party that you're voting for 476 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 2: to choose those individuals on your behalf, you can actually 477 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 2: like reward individuals based on you know, their lived experience, 478 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 2: their voting history, things like that. So there's these like 479 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 2: little things that you can do that kind of give 480 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: your vote that little bit more power as well that 481 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 2: we might not really think about because no one teaches us. 482 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have like a list of websites or 483 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: resources that people can use during their research for the 484 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: upcoming election? 485 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, so how they vote is the digging up those 486 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 2: receipts of voting history. You just type in an MP 487 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 2: or senator and it pulls it right up, which is sick. 488 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 2: Vote Compass by the ABC has come back this year, 489 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 2: which is great because you can kind of see like, Okay, well, 490 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 2: if I'm just going to vote for a party, I 491 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 2: want to see like where I'm aligning as well. And 492 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: then also like podcasts like this one and Hannah Ferguson's 493 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: and you know, like my series Vote like you mean it, 494 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 2: Like I think there's oh and the ABC is doing 495 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 2: some really cool kind of just like civix one oh 496 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 2: one as well, Like there's so many cool people breaking 497 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: things down in a really digestible way because of the 498 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 2: fact that young people now make up the biggest voting block. 499 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 2: I think I also read somewhere that by the time 500 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 2: May three rolls around and everyone's in role to vote, 501 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 2: you know, potentially for the first time as an eighteen 502 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 2: year old, it might actually even be just slightly over 503 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 2: above fifty percent, which is sick. So do with that 504 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 2: what you will. Let's go. 505 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. Also the AAC website as well. If you're not 506 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: even be sure what electorate you belong to, if you've 507 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: moved or maybe you've just turned eighteen or you've forgotten 508 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: in the last three years which electorate you are, Like 509 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: you can also go there and look it up and 510 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: find out the people that could be representing you, look 511 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: at the policies and do your research from there as well. 512 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 2: It's a really helpful resource. Yeah, and they're also like 513 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 2: the MP's right, the one out of one hundred and 514 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 2: fifty electorates like our local like a Leger spender that 515 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 2: you'll see them ever at the moment, like they're buying 516 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 2: the most amount of sausages in Australia because they're at 517 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,479 Speaker 2: markets shaking hands and they're doing a baby's and one 518 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 2: hundred percent. Because they want people to know them. And 519 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 2: so if you see them, like go up and ask 520 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 2: them questions, just be like, hey, so I heard this, 521 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 2: and like what do you think about this? Like they're 522 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: just people, you know, they're just really cool people, especially 523 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 2: like the in is in the minors, who like didn't 524 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 2: do this as a career, Like they're not lawyers, Like 525 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 2: they didn't do this like to become, you know, a 526 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 2: type of person. They did this because their constituents, their 527 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 2: people begged them too, because they're the only people that 528 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 2: are like representing their actual issues. Yeah, so they're just 529 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 2: human like like you and I, and I think it's 530 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,719 Speaker 2: really sick to either follow them on social media and 531 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 2: like get to know what they're interested in, what they're 532 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 2: fighting for. But then if you can like go and 533 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 2: shake the hand and just be like, okay, so why 534 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 2: should I vote for you? 535 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't feel like you have to have like 536 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: the most well thought out, statistically backed question es. 537 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 538 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: Literally, like guy will just ask as you care about 539 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: the values that you have, because I think that's one 540 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: thing that we can find intimidating is like, am I 541 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: like sounding smart enough or understanding enough? And that's definitely 542 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 1: something that even when you're having those questions about like 543 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: and conversations around the gender pay gap, that you feel 544 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: like you've got to go in and have like all 545 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: these statistics behind you to even open up that conversation. 546 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: But you don't, like that's why it's a conversation. But 547 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: speaking of resources, the biggest barrier to mental health support 548 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: is the cost. So do you have any other free 549 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: or budget friendly resources that can help support mental health 550 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: in Australia. 551 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's pretty wild because like the stats here 552 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 2: in Australia for mental illness and young people dying by 553 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 2: taking their own life are exceptionally high for a developed country, 554 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 2: and one in three young people are currently in a 555 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 2: state of like high or very high psychological distress, which 556 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 2: is so wild. And I don't think mental health exists 557 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 2: in isolation, Like it's baked into cost of living because 558 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 2: that equates to being able to afford mental health services 559 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 2: or paying your rent, and it affects, you know, at 560 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 2: its baseline, your sense of safety and stability, like if 561 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 2: you can't find a place to live, how you're supposed 562 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 2: to have any hope for the future or any level 563 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 2: of self esteem, So zero dollar or you know, low 564 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 2: cost options for mental wellbeing are crucially important. And I 565 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 2: think as I reflect on my own experiences of when 566 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 2: I've been at my lowest, I you know, in hindsight, 567 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 2: have started with the like the basic hierarchy of needs, 568 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 2: like you know that meme that's like floating around where 569 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 2: it's like you've got the baseline all the way up 570 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 2: to the pinnacle, which is like things like you know, 571 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 2: self esteem and self actualization, Like you can't get to 572 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 2: that top peak bit if you don't have the baseline there, 573 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 2: and it sounds really boring, but it's things that you 574 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 2: can nourish yourself with and flood yourself with, like whole 575 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 2: foods and sleep and getting sunlight and like lowering your 576 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 2: screen time. Like it's so boring, but it's so crucial. 577 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: And you know, if you can go to bed an 578 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 2: hour earlier, like that could really help bring you up 579 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 2: to a level where you're then able to start looking 580 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 2: at things like seeking support from you know, a psych 581 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 2: or talking to friends about it. I think we kind 582 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 2: of miss that stage there where we go, Okay, cool, 583 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 2: why don't you just go call a helpline or like 584 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 2: see a therapist, And it's like, I actually can't get 585 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 2: out of bed, Like I actually can't text my friends back. 586 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 2: I can't do any of that until I'm able to actually, 587 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 2: you know, survive. So that's really really critically important. And 588 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 2: then when we look at you know, focusing beyond that, 589 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 2: and you know, maybe it is time or you do 590 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 2: want to seek support from a mental health professional. Telehealth 591 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 2: is a cheaper option to in person visits, and obviously 592 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 2: that starts with you know, seeing a GP. A lot 593 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 2: of them you know, are either subsidized or bulk build. 594 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 2: You can find like a your closest bulk build GP 595 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 2: via health Direct just like do a little filtered search 596 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 2: and then you can go and get a mental health 597 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 2: care plan. There's only ten sessions at the moment, which sucks, 598 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,959 Speaker 2: And so yeah, your GP wants you to do like 599 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: the six come back and like if you still want 600 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: the full ten, you can access the full ten. Like 601 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 2: that's what it's there for. But telehealth is a cheaper option, 602 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 2: and there's a bunch of sites and I'm going to 603 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 2: give you guys, like an actual list to put in 604 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 2: your show notes of like where to go love it. Yeah, 605 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 2: I love a cheat sheet Happy brain cheat sheet. Yeah, 606 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: because there's a site that I use where you can 607 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 2: filter by I want to access like the more experienced 608 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 2: psychologists who have been in the industry longer. I'll pay 609 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 2: the forty dollars gap or I just want someone that 610 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 2: I can chat to tomorrow that's bull built, so you 611 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 2: can then kind of yeah, filter by that as well, 612 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 2: which I think is really important because wait times out 613 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 2: of it. Yeah, and like having to drive to an appointment, 614 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 2: like all of that, all of those accessibility issues can 615 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 2: really present a huge barrier to someone who's already not 616 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 2: feeling well, So telehealth for sure, and then I'd love 617 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 2: to talk to you about the mental health swaps as well. Yes, 618 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 2: easy kind of mental health swaps that I guess are 619 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 2: kind of like you know, low cost mental health tools 620 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 2: as well. So something that really helped me at the 621 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: start of this year was reframing the idea of a 622 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 2: routine into a ritual. Like I'm a full like anti 623 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 2: routine girl. I'm like that makes me feel sick. I 624 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 2: love that, a soft, living, girly like. I don't want 625 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 2: to be told what to do. I just want to 626 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 2: like cruise and like be gentle and like. But also 627 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 2: I need structure. Yeah, and I feel good totally. And 628 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 2: it's really important as human beings that we have some 629 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 2: level of like control over our structure. That really helps, 630 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 2: especially if you're feeling completely untethered, like feeling grounded in 631 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 2: some sort of little ritual, whether it's a morning ritual 632 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 2: or a night ritual or a lunchtime ritual, whatever it is. 633 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 2: But part of my morning ritual is doing the five 634 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 2: minute Gratitude Journal. It's like twenty dollars on Amazon. We know, 635 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 2: you know the science of gratitude and all of that 636 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 2: kind of stuff. It can be hard to do when 637 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 2: you're feeling like absolute shit, but it is important for 638 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 2: kind of rewiring the filters in your brain to like 639 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 2: look for the positives when we're actually wired to look 640 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 2: for the negatives, and that kind of confirmation bias of like, 641 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 2: oh another negative thing, Oh another negative thing. Yeah, I'm shit, 642 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 2: the world's shit, But kind of training yourself to look 643 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 2: for those little glimmers and the confirmation bias of like, oh, 644 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 2: look at that glimmer, Like I knew I was going 645 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 2: to have a good day. Look at that, Like that's great. 646 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 2: That's like confirming that, like I'm where I'm supposed to be. 647 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 2: Whatever kind of makes you feel something. It doesn't have 648 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 2: to be like tangible, You don't have to explain it 649 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 2: to anyone else. It can just exist in here. So 650 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,479 Speaker 2: I do that as part of my little ritual. Another 651 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 2: thing like this is a little bit niche, but animal 652 00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 2: assisted therapy so. 653 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: Yes, as yeah. 654 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 2: So when I started all kind and then I adopted 655 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 2: this tiny little rescue to our ish dog. She's hilarious 656 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 2: and it's Frankie, and we went through together over four weeks. 657 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 2: The community version of therapy dog training. So obviously I'm 658 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 2: not a clinical practitioner and that's a different course, but 659 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 2: I'm like a community practitioner, Like I host events with 660 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 2: you know, all kind and we work with young people 661 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 2: and you know, meet people all the time, where having 662 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 2: an animal in the room can really act as like 663 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 2: this conversation starter. It like diffuses weird energy. It's super helpful. 664 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 2: And so when I was doing that course, there was 665 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 2: all of this research that they got us to read. 666 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 2: And one of the really cool things about being in 667 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 2: a room with an animal, and like especially if you're 668 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 2: making physical contact with that animal, is that they can 669 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 2: actually convert our attachment style from insecure to secure, whereas 670 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 2: people can't really do that or it's a lot harder. 671 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 2: And that's because they're actually rewiring our brains to expect 672 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 2: care and connection rather than fear or abandonment. And actually, 673 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 2: isn't that precious? So beautiful? So either a doctor dog 674 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 2: like I did, don't do anything irresponsible because that makes 675 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 2: your mental health way worse. But she genuinely changed my life, 676 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,879 Speaker 2: like she genuinely helped my crippling anxiety disorder. She comes 677 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 2: to work with me, she comes to meetings and shoots 678 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 2: and events and everything, and when she's in a room 679 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 2: for the young people, so many people or the animal 680 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 2: loving people are just like drawn to her. And then 681 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 2: the other swap that I've made, and this is a 682 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:56,439 Speaker 2: little bit more like philosophical, if you will, but it's 683 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 2: the idea that like, as people who work in social 684 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 2: media and have sell ourselves all the time, and for 685 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 2: anyone really who is trying to like convey in their 686 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 2: LinkedIn profile or their Instagram buy or whatever it is, 687 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 2: who they are within like eighty characters, that weirdly like 688 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 2: black mirror esque starts to become like what you think 689 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 2: of yourself, because when you try and like condense your 690 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 2: entire complex human beingness into like a tagline, that's like 691 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 2: who you believe you are, because you feel like you 692 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 2: have to show up as that for your audience or 693 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 2: for your friends. And so I've started trying to like 694 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 2: shift that from being in writing to being in action, 695 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,879 Speaker 2: because there's this concept where if you are, you know, 696 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 2: any one particular day, say if you go for a 697 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 2: run that day, you're a runner, right like you are 698 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 2: what you do. And so the idea that we can 699 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,439 Speaker 2: take really small actions like today I am a really 700 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 2: good friend and I'm going to call that mate that 701 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 2: I haven't tried to in a little while, or yeah, 702 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 2: whatever it is. You can actually kind of change who 703 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 2: you are based on what you do, because that rewires 704 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 2: your brain. It signals back to you like I am 705 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,760 Speaker 2: what I say I am, and that's because I'm doing 706 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 2: things that I'm choosing to do. They align with my values. 707 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 2: And that's kind of like making me feel more comfortable 708 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 2: in my sense of identity because I feel better about 709 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 2: the way that I'm presenting myself to the world. And 710 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 2: it's not about that. It's not about you presenting a 711 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 2: certain type of person, because that can be quite confusing 712 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 2: and get a little bit shit. But it's about who 713 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 2: you're telling your brain that you are. I think that's important. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, 714 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 2: totally completely. And then the last one as well, if 715 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 2: we're talking about like calling friends and stuff, I am 716 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 2: like a really awkward, socially awkward person. Like I find 717 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 2: it really hard to like be in groups. I find 718 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 2: it even hard to like pick up the phone and 719 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 2: like talk to my friends on the phone. I'm like 720 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 2: really awkward. I'm like, so, how was your day? Yeah? 721 00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: Relatable? 722 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but walking. 723 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: So the. 724 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 2: It's really interesting because, especially if you're an overthinker like me, 725 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 2: walking uses the same part of your brain that overthinking does. 726 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 2: So it's something to do with like the rhythm and 727 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 2: the bilateral stimulation of both sides of your brain when 728 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 2: you're walking, you can't actually really overthink at the same time. 729 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 2: They're using the same part of the brain. So I've 730 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 2: started like either voice noting or calling my friends or 731 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 2: my mom or whoever while I'm walking and I'm like, oh, 732 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 2: this is a breeze, or if you're feeling like completely overwhelmed, 733 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 2: or if you're if you've got like circular thinking patterns 734 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 2: that you just absolutely can't get out of. Like people 735 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:46,919 Speaker 2: you know always tell you to go for a walk 736 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,800 Speaker 2: and like God, sit out in the sun with a banana, 737 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 2: and it's like, fuck, I know, yeah, but walking or 738 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 2: running if that's your thing, really helps. 739 00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: I'm a slut for a brain hack, like yeah, And 740 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,320 Speaker 1: I truly think that is the key people like, the 741 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 1: key learning that people need to hear of being like, yeah, 742 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: I know, going for a walk is good for my 743 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: mental health. Like I know, but like we've said, sometimes 744 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: just getting yourself out the door is the hardest thing. 745 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,919 Speaker 1: But if you look at it being like I will 746 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: stop thinking about this if I go for a walk 747 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: or overthinking about this. If I go for a walk, 748 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: that's gonna get your ask or quicker. Then you can 749 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: say chocolate croissant. 750 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna wrap with one final question. 751 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: So you created the Good Mate training program, which is 752 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 1: like first aid for mental health. Can you talk us 753 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,439 Speaker 1: through the program and the skills that you would get 754 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:43,760 Speaker 1: from completing that training. 755 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. So we know from research that majority of people, 756 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,720 Speaker 2: young people particularly, they go to each other first before 757 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 2: they go to a trusted adult or a professional. And 758 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 2: yet as the first responders, we have zero training in 759 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 2: what to say, what to do, and that can become 760 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 2: a real sticking point. Like a lot of people feel 761 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 2: really really anxious about either responding to someone who's like 762 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 2: actually seeking support and is like hey, I'm not okay, 763 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 2: can you help me? Or actually taking upon themselves to 764 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 2: go and ask someone if they're okay. Like that's a 765 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 2: really hard thing to do, and that's kind of our 766 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 2: sticking point, you know, across Australia with young people, and 767 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 2: so we kind of teach, you know, how to do that, 768 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 2: like practically because I think if you can, you know, 769 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 2: learn how to do that, it becomes a lot more 770 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 2: feasible and a lot easier to do. And so we 771 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 2: learn like how to recognize when someone's you know, not okay, 772 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,760 Speaker 2: how to have a supportive convo without needing to fix 773 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 2: someone where, and how to refer someone on to an 774 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 2: actual professional because you never need to become someone's therapist 775 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 2: for so many different reasons. But then also how to 776 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 2: look after yourself in the process. And it's short, and 777 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 2: it's free, and it's online and yeah, it takes about 778 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,280 Speaker 2: sixty minutes and it won't bore you to tears, because 779 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,800 Speaker 2: I think there's so many barriers to mental health education 780 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 2: and support and so this is just something that you know, 781 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 2: you can become a certified good mate in sixty minutes 782 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 2: for free online, Like why wouldn't you do it if 783 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 2: you want to actually like be there for your group 784 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 2: chat or be there for your best friend, because we 785 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 2: all go through shit and being able to yeah, help 786 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 2: someone also makes you feel good and it makes you 787 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 2: feel connected and yet know that you'll be supported in 788 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 2: return when that time comes. And I think also through 789 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 2: education and mental health literacy comes this level of compassion 790 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 2: as well, like understanding of other people's experiences but also 791 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,879 Speaker 2: of your own because with you know language, you're able 792 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,359 Speaker 2: to kind of label things, and that in itself gives 793 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 2: you power. I love that. It's so cool. I'm going 794 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 2: to do it. Yeah, I'm like so many. 795 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: Situations where I feel like I would have really benefited 796 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 1: from that, And there's so much pressure taking on that conversation. 797 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 1: You don't want to say the wrong thing. So I 798 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: think this is such a helpful resource. We'll put the 799 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: links in the show, not for sure, but we'll wrap 800 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: up here and we will definitely have you on for 801 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: a part. 802 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 2: Two because obviously we've had the worst time ship chat. 803 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: It's been so great having you on. Thank you so 804 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: much for making the time, and yeah we'll get you 805 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:24,319 Speaker 1: on for a part two. 806 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 2: Amazing see. Yeah, thank you so much. 807 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: Thanks Chie, love you by bye. Thanks for m ik 808 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:37,319 Speaker 1: made for making today's episode happen