WEBVTT - ‘You inflicted untold suffering’: the Erin Patterson sentence 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:02.200 Please stand. 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:05.840 For the first time ever, the Supreme Court of Victoria 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:09.720 allowed a television camera to broadcast sentencing the hearing for 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:12.760 convicted triple murderer Aaron Patterson for. 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:15.720 The attempted murder of Ian Wilkinson. I sentence you to 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:19.920 twenty five years imprisonment for the murder of Heather Wilkinson. 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:22.959 I sentence you to life imprisonment for the murder of 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:26.759 Gail Paterson. I sentence you to life imprisonment for the 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:30.480 murder of Don Passon. I sentence you to life imprisonment. 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:33.680 When Justice Christopher Bill sentenced her to life in prison, 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:36.600 it was the conclusion of a story that has captivated 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:38.640 Australia for more than two years. 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:40.560 Oh, it was a big moment. It was a really 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:44.200 big conclusion to this has been building up. It's amazing 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.000 to think it's stretched over two years now. 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:50.600 Investigative journalist Lucy Morris Marr has been following the case 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:53.600 ever since the fatal mushroom lunch in Leam Gaffa in 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:56.960 July twenty twenty three, where Aaron Patterson served to beef 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:59.600 Wellington laced with poisonous deathcat mushrooms. 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.279 To her, I think the whole of Australia. They are 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:05.520 watching that live. Of course, it's also a historical moment 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:09.360 today because the Supreme Court of Victoria has never broadcast 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:13.280 a sentencing live or anything live like that. But as 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.319 much as the media have gone through this and covered it, 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:18.880 it's nothing like the families, you know, the relief they 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:22.120 must feel today having gone through all that themselves, and 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:25.319 I know for them this has been absolutely exhausting. 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:32.800 I'm Ruby Jones and you're listening to seven. 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:37.679 AM today Walkley Award winning journalist and author Lucy Morris 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:41.399 Mark on the impact of Aaron Patterson's crimes and whether 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.040 the victims and families will finally have some closure. 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:55.960 It's Tuesday, September nine. Lucy Erin Patterson has just been 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.880 sentenced to life in prison with a minimum prison period 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:03.320 of thirty three years. There were many aggravating factors that 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:05.680 the judge spoke about when he handed down that decision. 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:09.440 One was her lack of remorse. He mentioned that several times. 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:11.919 So tell me what you were thinking as you heard 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:12.960 him lay that out. 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:15.639 Of course, you know, with a judge, you know, naturally 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:19.040 he doesn't ever say his opinion. Really, he did seem 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:21.880 very taken by the victim impact statements a couple of 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:26.120 weeks ago, where seven members of the hugely extended families 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:29.120 stood up and read their victim impact statements, and he 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:31.520 did say, you know, this is a tsunami of pain 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.519 and grief, and that got the sense of how he 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.399 was feeling. But of course, then to hear him lay 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:41.960 out in detail Erin's planning, her lies, and the way 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:45.760 he did it with such clarity, it just really reiterated 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:47.359 that the jury made the right decision. 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:52.160 The prosecution submits, and your council concedes that your offending 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.359 falls into the worst category of offending for these offenses, 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:59.200 and that you should receive the maximum penalties for your crimes. 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:03.080 I agree for reasons that I will come to in 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:03.720 due course. 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:06.320 And he was very scathing at times. 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:09.680 Naturally, not only did you cut short three lives and 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:14.920 cause lasting damage to Ian Wilkinson's health, thereby devastating the 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:20.040 extended Patterson and Wilkinson families, you inflicted untold suffering on 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:23.840 your own children, whom you robbed of their beloved grandparents. 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.600 You know, he said this crime was premeditated and planned. 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:32.079 He made the absolutely clear. He clearly outlined each aspect 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:36.480 for example, looking at death caps on I Naturalist's website. 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:38.880 That is a website on which people can post and 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:43.480 view sightings of death cap mushrooms, amongst other things. On 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:46.520 the twenty eighth of May twenty two, you access the 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:50.520 I Naturalist website and navigated to its worldwide map in 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:52.880 relation to sightings of deathcap mushrooms. 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:56.080 She bought a dehy tractor. She took pictures of what 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:59.600 experts later said look like death caps in that de 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.760 hopereta and sent them on her friend group with the 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.520 true crime friends that she'd made on Facebook. 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:09.880 You photographed forage mushrooms on the trays of your dehydrator. 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:14.320 The images were found by investigators on a Samsung tablet 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:15.720 later seized from your home. 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:19.839 She invited Simon Patterson to the infamous lunch, saying she 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:22.479 had an important medical news, which of course we now 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:23.360 know is lies. 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:30.240 Simon and you exchanged messages. Simon's read quote, Sorry, I 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:33.679 feel too uncomfortable about coming to the lunch with you, Mum, Dad, 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:37.000 Heather and Ian tomorrow, but I am happy to talk 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:40.800 about your health and implications of that at another time. 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.680 If you'd like to discuss on the phone, just let 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:49.840 me know. You replied five minutes later, quote, that's really disappointing. 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:53.479 I've spent many hours this week preparing lunch for tomorrow. 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:57.520 And the judge said he accepted Ian Wilkinson's evidence that 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:01.359 she served guests on gray live plates and hers was 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:03.359 on a small plate, which was a huge part of 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:05.640 the trial. You know, it just went on and on 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:11.320 and it really reminded those watching live exactly how elaborate 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:14.400 this crime was and intentional. H Yeah. 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:17.400 And he also said that it was clear that she 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.400 had wanted her guests to suffer. She would have known 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:26.120 the effect of poisoning with death cat mushrooms, and he 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:29.440 described her what she'd done as falling into the worst 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:33.120 category of murder and attempted murder. So what did you 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:36.800 make of his characterization of how serious her crimes are? 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:40.240 Absolutely correct. I mean during the trial, I was very 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:43.640 moved and it was very difficult to listen to the 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:48.440 suffering involved in terms of those poor people, the initial 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:51.400 gastro symptoms, which became more and more extreme as the 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.080 hours went by, and then their time in hospital was 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:57.480 as medics desperately tried to save them. Their organs were 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.800 basically filling with fluid and it was that actually a 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:04.120 reminder that violent crimes don't always have to evolve a 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:07.880 knife or a gun. This was a very nasty, violent crime, 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.279 and as he said, she intended to kill them all, 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.599 and she showed no pity for her victims. Another quote 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.719 he said was you followed through on your lethal plan, 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:21.080 which was actually a quote as he noted from Heather 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:24.159 and Ian's daughter Ruth de Bois, as. 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:28.160 The Wilkinson's daughter Ruth Dubois remarking her victim impact statement, 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:33.919 you quote followed through on your lethal plan. Your lunch 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:38.159 giars each suffered severe gestro intestinal illness on the Sunday 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:42.720 and Monday prior to being sedated and mechanically ventilated. Their 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:44.760 suffering was protracted. 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:46.920 Because maybe if she said yes, I forage, and they 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:49.880 would have realized there was a chance that they could 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:53.800 have consumed death caps or another seriously poisonous mushroom. They 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:57.320 could have had an antidote or the medication that people 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:00.919 can have to protect from liver damage. So she carried 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:04.280 on the cry in those following days, and he said 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:08.680 their suffering was substantial. It was enormous betrayal of the 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:12.200 trust of your victims. All had been good to you. 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:15.960 Your victims were all your relatives by marriage. More than that, 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:18.440 they had all been good to you and your children 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:22.400 over many years, as you acknowledged in your testimony. 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:24.680 Very damning, very scathing, and wrote me so. 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.040 And one thing that Justine Spiel pointed out was that 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:30.840 we still don't know why Aaron Patterson did what she DIDs. 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:34.400 Motive was never established, he said, and he was talking 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:35.360 directly to her. 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:37.480 Only you know why you did this. 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.960 So given that, do you think that we're just going 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:44.120 to see endless speculation here about what her motive was. 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:47.600 Yes, unless she ever confesses, which it doesn't look likely, 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.480 we will never know. I mean, of course, the speculation 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:53.320 there was a fallout. He did mention the family fall 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:57.760 out briefly when she was seeking support from Don and 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:01.480 Gail Patterson regarding her strange husband, Simon's lack of paying 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:05.000 child support for a short time. And there's speculation that 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.440 she held onto that grudge even though it was seemed 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.960 to be resolved, and that she really held that in 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:15.120 But of course we heard when the pre trial suppression 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:18.080 order was lifted, we heard that, you know, Simon Patterson 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:22.080 alleges that she tried to poison him on several occasions 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:27.200 and made him extremely unwell. But you know, clearly she's 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:29.920 in the right place. Is a very serious crime. This 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.280 is a serial killing crime and one that we thankfully 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:36.520 don't see very often in Australia. But she has been 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:40.920 given these life sentences. And yes, it's thirty three years 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:43.959 in prison, non parole period, but actually, if you break 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:48.199 it down, Ian Wilkinson's attempted murder was twenty five years, 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:52.840 the killing of Heather Wilkinson life in prison, Gail Patterson 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:56.000 life in prison, Don Patterson life in prison. I mean, 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:57.960 if you added all that up, it would come to 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.040 like one hundred years. But she can only do what 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.079 she can do. So it's being done concurrently, and it's 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:06.120 a life sentence with a non parole period of thirty 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.520 three years, but she'll be eighty three. Will she live 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:12.880 to see that? We don't know. It's not exactly conducive 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.280 healthy conditions where she's being held. 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:22.959 Coming up, why the sole survivor of Erin Patterson's poisoned 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:35.080 lunch has offered forgiveness Lucy In setting Aaron Patterson's non 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.000 parole period, Justice Bill spoke a lot about this being 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.240 one of the biggest points that he had to make 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.120 a decision on. So tell me about the considerations that 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:44.760 would have gone into his decision. 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:47.800 I think with the non parole period when there was 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:51.520 the pre sentencing hearing in the last few weeks we've had, 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.520 there was a lot of argument between the Crown and 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:58.120 the defense bearer ser Colin man dysc in terms of 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:00.800 should there be a non parole period. The Crown we're 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:03.560 pushing no, she should die in jail. And in the 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:05.920 end the judge said the reason he gave her a 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.440 non parole period. So for example, you could call that 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:10.679 a shred of light that one day, at eighty three 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.079 years old, she could have some kind of freedom if 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.920 she makes it that long, he said. He took into 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:19.959 consideration Erin's life in the Gordon Wing of Dame Phyllis 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:23.120 Frost Center. Now this wing's quite infamous. It is the 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:27.480 most serious isolation wing where generally they're in their cells 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:30.240 for maybe twenty two hours twenty three hours a day 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.040 and they don't really mix with each other. They only 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:36.640 mix with staff. So even though she's in theory allowed 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.960 out of herself, sometimes she doesn't get out. But they're 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:44.880 saying due to the forthcoming documentaries, books, etc. Her notoriety 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.600 will go on, and they're worried that she would be 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:51.439 attacked effectively in prison. So he took that into consideration 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.760 in terms of giving her that non parole period, because 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.319 he accepts that that's not really standard to keep someone 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.640 in segregation. In fact, the UN suggests it should only 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:05.000 be fifteen days at a time, and she's facing many 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.440 years at a time in this situation. 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.240 Yeah, given that, given that it is in breach of 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:14.640 you and guidelines, how long is a situation like that 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:18.120 likely to go on for? Like you would hope, well, 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:19.560 you would think that it might change. 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:22.440 Yeah, I suppose while we're in this frenzy. We've got 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:26.080 the Stand documentary coming out, there's books coming out from 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.640 multiple publishers. There's going to be so much attention on this, 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.120 and so I think therefore her own safety, I think 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.240 it will be for the foreseeable future, might be you know, 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:38.720 a few years, five years, she might be able to 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:40.960 go back and be in the more general area and 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:43.960 have despite what she's done. We're a humane country and 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:46.720 we treat people appropriately, and I think that's important for 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.520 us as a society, and so she will be treated 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:54.760 as appropriate for her status at that point. The murders. 0:11:54.800 --> 0:12:00.560 Here today is to give some well earned thanks firstly 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:06.800 to Victoria Police, in particular the homicide squad and the 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:11.240 team led by Detective Stephen epping Stall and. 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:14.480 Ian Wilkinson, who was the only person to survive that lunch. 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:19.319 He was there today and he spoke briefly outside of court. 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:23.440 He thanked police, he thanked prosecutors. So tell me a 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:25.680 bit about the impact of all of this on him, 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:29.640 as well as the other community members, family members, friends. 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.000 Ian Wilkinson look I remember seeing him at the pre 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.920 trial hearing for the first time. Was the first time 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.680 he appeared in court. That was last year in the 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.760 Supreme Court in the William Street in Melbourne. I was 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:46.640 absolutely blown away by his presentation. He was just so 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:50.520 poised for what had happened, including loss of his wife. 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.320 He appeared at the trial. He was very strong, he 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:57.280 got the facts out, he didn't waiver, he wasn't overcome 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:01.480 by emotion. Again, extremely impressive carriage. It was only when 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.520 he came to do his victim impact statement two weeks 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.360 ago that he did break down as he talked about 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:11.760 Heather's character and she sounded such a wonderful person, absolutely 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:15.679 lovely mother and grandmother who helped her local community, helped family. 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:19.360 And he talked of the loneliness, the isolation, the despair 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.600 of being a new widower. He called himself suddenly single, 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:26.000 like at that age, you know, his early seventies, and 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:28.640 he broke down, but he still carried on. He got 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.640 through that statement. He had took deep breaths, he paused, 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:36.439 and then of course his daughter, Ruth Dubois, another incredibly 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:39.920 impressive lady, who said how much she missed her mother, 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.600 and poignantly she said she was somebody I trusted with 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:47.680 both the best parts and worst parts of myself, knowing 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:50.720 there'd be no judgment. I was really connected to what 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.040 she said, and I really realized the loss, and that 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.920 really was emotional. And then of course there was many 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:59.520 other statements made, in fact, altogether lodged with the court. 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:03.200 There was twin eight victim statements. The judge was clearly 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.359 very moved by that, and he said this has affected generations, 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.920 plus their friends, plus the community. He took that into 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:11.520 consideration with the sentencing. 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:16.600 And so Aaron Patterson now has a month to ludge 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:20.480 an appeal either against her sentence or her conviction or both. 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:23.400 So does that seem like a thing to happen. Well, 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:25.120 it's up in the air at the moment. She now 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:28.560 has exactly twenty eight days from today, as you mentioned, 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:32.960 to appeal either against conviction or sentence. So it will 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:36.680 be very interesting. Her barrister, Colin Mandy, didn't comment. He 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.600 was surrounded by media as he left the court today. 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.240 It was interesting there was one point in the judge's 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:47.120 speech where I felt, yeah, he may seemed to suggest 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.680 she shouldn't appeal. He pointed out that Ian Wilkinson had 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:54.400 offered her his forgiveness and the quote that Ian Wilkinson 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.040 said it was for all those harms done to me, 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:01.000 with full confession and forgiveness. And it was interesting the 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:04.040 judge mentioned that it was perhaps he was saying, you know, 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.680 don't appeal, don't put these people through that, and you 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:10.000 make yourself a better person, which is what Ian Wilkinson did. 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:13.080 But look at this point, she's got thirty three years 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.520 ahead of her before she's out. That's if she survives 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:19.360 that long in those conditions, and so I think she 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.960 probably will appeal. Like she's never confessed, she's put everyone 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.920 through a lengthy trial, so we'll have to just see, 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.400 but I wouldn't be surprised because she literally has nothing 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:28.800 to lose. 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.280 Well, Lissie, thank you so much for be at time today, 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:51.600 Oh my pleasure. Also in the news today, Liberal MP 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:53.960 Alex Hawk has called on just into Number tip a 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.720 Price to apologize for the real damage her comments have 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:00.480 caused the Indian Australian community. Price claimed with that evidence 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:02.720 that the federal government was bringing in migrants to win 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.120 votes and named the Indian community as an example of that. 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.240 The fall that has caused Opposition leader Susan Lee to 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:13.080 attempt damage control with the Indian Australian community holding roundtables 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:16.560 and taking a public tour through Little India. And The 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:21.080 Australian Conservation Foundation has appointed former Greens leader Adam Bant 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:26.200 as the organization's next chief executive. Band, who unexpectedly lost 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:29.440 the seat of Melbourne the May election, will replace longtime 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:33.560 ACF CEO Kelly O'shannessy, who announced earlier this year that 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.480 she was resigning. I'm Ruby Jones. This is seven am. 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:37.400 Thanks for listening.