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Speaker 1: John Howard, welcome to straight Talk. Thank you. I am

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Speaker 1: very happy to be with you. I won't use that

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Speaker 1: expression when people are interviewed on TV these days.

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Speaker 2: So if I can just fast forward now to the election,

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Speaker 2: the most recent election, federal election I'm talking about, the

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Speaker 2: Liberal Party didn't do so well and the coalition didn't well.

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Speaker 2: Actually the National Party held its own.

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Speaker 1: The liberal side of the National Party did hold it

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Speaker 1: held its own, but the Liberals did not.

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Speaker 2: And you know, and I had Peter sitting right there,

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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton, as I did Anthony Albanezi and sitting right there,

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Speaker 2: and I was at the time, to be frank with you,

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Speaker 2: very impressed with Peter Dutton's intellect, his grasp on issues,

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Speaker 2: his knowledge, his personal bliness, very personable. To me, I thought,

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Speaker 2: I felt he's not some you know, crazy policeman who

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Speaker 2: wants a lot everybody up anything.

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Speaker 1: But he's the opposite.

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Speaker 2: Family man. Talked about his family, you know, adoringly, and

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Speaker 2: as did Anthony Albaniz, he as did the Prome minister.

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Speaker 2: And I found them both engaging and friendly and very likable,

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Speaker 2: quite affable, both of them.

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Speaker 1: Where did it go wrong for Done Well, I don't

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Speaker 1: think it automatically follows that because they were both affable

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Speaker 1: I was surprised at the Labor Party increased its majority.

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Speaker 1: Now what went wrong? I think that the normal tendency

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Speaker 1: of the Australian public is to give a newly elected

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Speaker 1: government a second term term, just out of a fair

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Speaker 1: go principle, unless there's an overwhelming reason not to. Now

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Speaker 1: I don't think we established that now why I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Some people say it's because we didn't spend enough time

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Speaker 1: developing detailed policy and there's no alternative for that amount.

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Speaker 1: To the extent that my views have been sort I've said,

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Speaker 1: you've just got to immediately start devising alternative policies in

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Speaker 1: detail and then make calculations as to when and how

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Speaker 1: you release them, because there's no substitute. If you're asking

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Speaker 1: people to throw out a first term prime minister, no

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Speaker 1: matter what you think of him, you got to have

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Speaker 1: a reason. I think that was there. I think a

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Speaker 1: couple of particular policy as they seem to get into

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Speaker 1: strife on the work from home issue, that would have

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Speaker 1: if you look at some of the seats that especially

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Speaker 1: Peters own seat, well, the seat of Robertson, which has

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Speaker 1: commute to the city. Well they did, and I'm now

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Speaker 1: they mattered. But that's just an example that I quote.

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Speaker 1: I think that was I was surprised at the fact

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Speaker 1: that over party increased its boat.

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Speaker 2: Now was that more of a protest against the Liberal

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Speaker 2: do you think as opposed to people saying, Wow, I

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Speaker 2: want to lockstep with beIN locks.

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Speaker 1: I can't. Again, I don't know the answer to that, Mark.

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Speaker 1: I think it's probably there's always a bit of both.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was disappointed in the outcome, because I

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Speaker 2: was surprised, equally surprised.

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Speaker 1: I thought Peter would give it. I thought the Liberals

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Speaker 1: Peter held a show together. Well, I like him a lot.

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Speaker 1: I was very sorry that he lost his seat and

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Speaker 1: but he all survive and stuff. But to the Liberal Party,

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Speaker 1: I liked him a lot. I did too. I didn't

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Speaker 1: of times. They made him a minister fairly early in

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Speaker 1: the peace because I thought he was calm and sensible,

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Speaker 1: and many business people with whom he din't speak well

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Speaker 2: I would expect, though, today, members of the Liberal Party,

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Speaker 2: and I would hope, I definitely would hope that senior

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Speaker 2: members of the Liberal Party, the movement, Liberal movement, do

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Speaker 2: they come.

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Speaker 1: And talk to you. I would expect, Oh, yes, I

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Speaker 1: some of them do not all of them. Don't expect that.

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Speaker 1: While now since I've been in parliament.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but your observations are pretty important here actively.

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Speaker 1: Look. I mean I had a meeting yesterday with Ted

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Speaker 1: O'Brien who's the Deputy Leader. It was a useful discussion.

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Speaker 1: He've in touch and I've spoken on a number of

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Speaker 1: Josh Friedenbig, who I knew very well and I still

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Speaker 1: talk to jobs, but he's no longer in parliament. He

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Speaker 1: might try and come back, but if he does, he

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Speaker 1: popular figure in liberal circles because of the work she

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Speaker 1: did on the referendum. But equally, you've got to be

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Speaker 1: careful about people talking up your leadership prospects too soon.

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Speaker 2: His politics vicious, his politics with a party within a party.

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Speaker 1: Well, it can be, and I think sometimes the viciousness

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Speaker 1: can be exaggerated. I mean people talked about the differences

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Speaker 1: of opinion I had with Andrew Peacock is now no

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Speaker 1: There were differences, yeah, and I said for a long

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Speaker 1: But I think they can be exaggerated. And it was

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Speaker 1: made to water because he came from Melbourne. I came

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Speaker 1: flamboyant sort of character. But I liked Andrew and I

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Speaker 1: bury the hatchet years ago. The years after him. I

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Speaker 1: remember one of the first things I did when we

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Speaker 1: that's not a bad job, by the way. Well he

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Speaker 1: did it well and he met third wife there, Penny,

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Speaker 2: So because it seems to me just as an observer,

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Speaker 2: but you know, a keen political observer, that often treasurers

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Speaker 2: are sort of thinking to themselves what they've been countered,

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Speaker 2: I wanted, but they want to be the prime minister,

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Speaker 2: which is ambition.

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Speaker 1: That's fine. Oh yes, a lot of people have transitioned

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Speaker 1: from being Harold Holt did it back in the I

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Speaker 1: think Watson, who was the first labor and he'd been

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Speaker 1: a treasurer a period of time, because when Menzies became

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Speaker 1: first treasure and then because he dominated the scene. But

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Speaker 1: that happens. And one of the great hundreds of treasury

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Speaker 1: is that you're across every portfolio as you were, and

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Speaker 1: I found that I had a knowledge of portfolios that

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Speaker 1: occasionally exceeded that of the incumbent minister. But not because

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Speaker 1: a lot of advice which is valuable and you retain

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Speaker 1: it and it means that you're off to a good

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Speaker 2: Of course, Scott Morrison was in the same well Morrison

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Speaker 2: did it, Yes, treasure to Prime minister, he did. I'd

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Speaker 2: forgotten him more recent example.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and even at state level.

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Speaker 2: I mean I remember Nick Reiner went from the same thing,

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Speaker 2: and so did to Glass. Well, yes, growing away from

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it just seemed to me that there's a process,

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Speaker 2: I mean, and well.

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Speaker 1: Because it's the most second, it's regarded after the Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister as the most significant person at a federal level.

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Speaker 1: The foreign minister also gets. And one of the features

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Speaker 1: of my time in government, and only it contributed to

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Speaker 1: the stability we had, was that for the first time

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Speaker 1: since Federation, the same three people occupied the prime ministership,

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Speaker 1: the Treasury and Foreign Affairs for the duration of the government.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, Alexander. Each time it was my first and

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Speaker 1: and I was Prime Minister. It was for the whole time,

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Speaker 2: And trust and trust for those people in those purposes.

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Speaker 2: And I often forget about and I should not. Alexander Downer.

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Speaker 1: Downer did. He was a great foreign minister, steady hand, reliable.

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Speaker 1: And when I look at the way in which our

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Speaker 1: has done the same, and prior to that, the Solomon

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Speaker 1: China's involvement. You've got to worry about that, manutes that's

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Speaker 1: not saying we shouldn't do it. You can walk walk

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Speaker 2: One of our in my opinion anyway, one of our

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Speaker 2: most revered and senior political figures over a long period

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Speaker 2: of time in this country. What do you feel and

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Speaker 2: or what do you think about the future of Australia.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm an optimist because I think we have inherent

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Speaker 1: strengths where pragmatic, appropriately skeptical, but nonetheless idealistic, and we

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Speaker 1: still believe in the fair go and we are still

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Speaker 1: welcoming the migrants. I mean, I believe in in having

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Speaker 1: I've watched the big change from European only some Middle

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Speaker 1: is a huge change, But I am very much in

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Speaker 1: favor of the old approach of assimilation. Integration. I think

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Speaker 1: they accept and embrace our values, They're not expected to

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Speaker 1: forget their homeland. I think never, I never thought that applied.

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Speaker 1: So many people I know, of Greek and Italian and

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Speaker 1: whatever background, they never sort of gave up an affection,

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Speaker 1: and we're grateful, not only culinary reasons, but other reasons

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Speaker 1: they didn't. And I think the idea of a federation

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Speaker 1: of tribes, which multiculturalism always meant to me as bad. Now,

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Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't. Maybe it was just a modern term

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Speaker 1: for integration or assimilation. I don't think it was actually

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Speaker 1: I think it was a device to curry support from

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Speaker 1: different groups. But whatever it was, I don't. I think

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Speaker 1: the instinctive notion of Australians is we welcome people from

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Speaker 2: How many employees would you have across the globe?

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Speaker 2: So you are sort of to some extent, you are

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Speaker 3: It is in part I mean we get a big

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Speaker 3: I think it's got to be equitable. I'm very democratic

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Speaker 2: Everything else seems easy.

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Speaker 5: After it, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister, well too, straight talk.

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Speaker 7: Great to be with you, Mark.

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Speaker 2: You've got your new joint up there on the Central

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Speaker 2: no doubt you'll be tiring. They're not do everything yourself,

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Speaker 2: to take this on? Because there's just coming at me

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Speaker 2: do it? You're not doing it because it's your job.

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Speaker 2: I no, it's your job, but you're not doing it

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Speaker 4: Is what is it?

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Speaker 2: Why are you doing it as a private individual? I

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Speaker 7: world move past us. There's no way you'd rather be.

438
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 7: We have everything under the ground and in the sky.

439
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 7: Best solaries in the world. But under the ground we

440
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 7: have lithium, cobalt, copper, banadium, all of these things that, yeah,

441
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 7: that will power the globe in the twenty first century.

442
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 7: There's nowhere better positioned to benefit from green hydrogen, which

443
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 7: will be you know, if we do when we're much older,

444
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 7: we can do a podcast together. We can call it

445
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 7: two Old Blokes or something. Yeah, we can talk about

446
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 7: our farts, how important, how important it is to Australia

447
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 7: in you know, twenty forty we have incredible opportunities. But

448
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 7: the other thing that I have, I think that keeps

449
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 7: me going. I think when you go up as I did.

450
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:05,479
Speaker 7: You know my mum, that's interesting. The title of this

451
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 7: podcast isn't that different from the title of my biography,

452
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 7: which is called telling It Straight. And you know I

453
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 7: grew up.

454
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 2: With just my mum.

455
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 7: She instilled in me a confidence about you know, I

456
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 7: could be how I wanted to be. She was always

457
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,959
Speaker 7: not very well. She lived just for sixty five years

458
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 7: in the one council house that became then State Department

459
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 7: took it over for her whole life there in Campdown.

460
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 7: She left school before she got any qualification. She had

461
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 7: scarlet fever as a kid. She's just someone who wasn't

462
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 7: well and she was spent at age sixty five, she

463
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 7: was just done, checked out, and she though had incredible

464
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 7: unconditional love for me, as many mums do live through

465
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 7: their children, and that gave me confidence. But it also

466
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 7: meant that, you know, I was living because she was

467
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 7: in hospital for long periods of time. I was living

468
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 7: by myself at a very young age, early teens there

469
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 7: in Campdown, getting fed by neighbors who helped look after us.

470
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 7: And I'm tough and resilient. So one of the things

471
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 7: that when people throw all sorts of things at you,

472
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 7: and you know, I don't read some of the calumnists

473
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:44,239
Speaker 7: and I don't turn onto sky after dark, is that

474
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 7: it's predictable too. It's just predictable. So I don't take

475
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 7: it personally. That's as it's like them sitting in a

476
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 7: stand cheering for the roosters, if they're roosters fans against us,

477
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 7: take it personally, that's you know, they're cheering for them.

478
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: It is what it is. It is what it is.

479
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 7: But I know with confidence that what my government is

480
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 7: doing is making a difference to people who need government

481
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 7: in their lives to make a difference, but I know

482
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 7: also that I'm someone who be course of all of

483
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 7: that background, the experience I have is able to bring

484
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 7: together business interests, unions, civil society, engage with people across

485
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 7: the spectrum as comfortable in a pub as I am

486
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 7: in a boardroom, and be optimistic about Australia's future. And

487
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 7: I think that is one of the things that the

488
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 7: next election will be about me saying we will provide

489
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 7: more cost of living help but will also help build

490
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 7: a stronger future, an optimistic vision and my opponents being negative.

491
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 7: You can't move forward by just saying what you're against.

492
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 7: And when I was Opposition leader, I had a range

493
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 7: of policies out there that we're implementing, like they're Housing,

494
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 7: Australia Future Fund and cheap childcare and national reconstruction from

495
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 7: for new industries. All of these things we had out there.

496
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 7: My opponents have a nuclear plan sometime in the twenty

497
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 7: forties that doesn't stack up, which is why I know

498
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 7: private sector operator will fund it and the same people

499
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,479
Speaker 7: be worse off. They're calling our cost of living relief

500
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 7: a sugarhead A strands are better than that. And I'm

501
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 7: confident that during the election campaign, we will advocate for

502
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 7: a second term to build on the foundations that we've

503
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 7: established in our first term.

504
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Speaker 2: I have one, It'll be very quick. But what was

505
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: your mum's name?

506
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 7: Mary Anne?

507
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: If Maryam's sitting here right now talking to her son,

508
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: listening to her son, and of course Mary would always

509
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: be wishing you the very best in this campaign, what

510
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: would you say to your mum? Oh?

511
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 7: Thank you, simple as that you know, I'm here because

512
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 7: of sacrifices that she made.

513
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: You know it.

514
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 7: People can read the book, but you know my mom

515
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,479
Speaker 7: made the difficult decision in nineteen sixty three to have

516
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 7: a child at a wedlock. She adopted my father's name,

517
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 7: and all of the neighborhood in what was a close

518
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 7: knit neighborhood, were told as I was that my father

519
00:31:55,560 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 7: had died and the plan at St Margaret'singhurst was for

520
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 7: me to be adopted out, which was very much a

521
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 7: part of what occurred a lot at that time. Now,

522
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 7: there was a nun there at the hospital brought me

523
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 7: the young baby in to her and she knew that

524
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 7: my mum wasn't the sort of person who would want

525
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,959
Speaker 7: to give up her child, would want to avoid it

526
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 7: regardless of the circumstances that wouldive you and people were

527
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 7: placed in a lot of pressure was placed on people,

528
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 7: especially in those days, in those days, in the early sixties,

529
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 7: and my mum chose to keep me and to give me.

530
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 7: You know, we didn't have a lot of money, but

531
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 7: we had everything else, something that's more important, which is

532
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 7: our unconditional love and support. And it's remarkable that she

533
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 7: was able to do that. She even though she didn't

534
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 7: have much formal education herself. You know, she encouraged me

535
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 7: to stay on and go to year twelve. You know,

536
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 7: I had to work my way through school and do

537
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 7: all that everything from macas to Grace Brothers to working

538
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 7: as a paperboy and doing all those things that you do.

539
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 7: And then I started work at the Common Bank the

540
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 7: day after I did my last HC exam. You know,

541
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 7: she sacrificed a lot for me, and one of the

542
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 7: things that drives me is repaying that. You know, I've

543
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 7: got a responsibility given the position I'm in, to work

544
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 7: every day. And one of the things, whatever my critics

545
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 7: might say about me, you won't find any he says

546
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 7: that I don't work my ass off.

547
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: Delvin Delaney, We'll own a straight talk.

548
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 8: Thank you for having me.

549
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: You talked about Crocodile Done one being to some extent,

550
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: a love story between Hoages and Linda. Is this documentary

551
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: about the love story between Delphine Delaney and John Cornell?

552
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is your last story. This is a love

553
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 8: letter to John because I'm I'm compelled to honor him

554
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 8: and include him in the retelling, and on his presence.

555
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 8: I felt his presence so strongly. I'll give you an example.

556
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 8: We started off calling the production company lucky Ducks because

557
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 8: John and I sed always see oh with such lucky ducks,

558
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 8: And I didn't in the end, but for a while

559
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 8: I was, and I had fl ducks on. The ducks

560
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 8: were a motif, right, And so then we were setting

561
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 8: the production office up and I cleaned the shelves, and

562
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 8: Victoria's putting stuff up, and she put John's binoculars from

563
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 8: the boat his boat up on the shelf and I

564
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 8: kept looking at them, thinking, and she said, you don't

565
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 8: want those there, do I said, no, they're a bit ugly.

566
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 8: I think we can do better, and Oh, take them down.

567
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 8: So she took them down. She put her hand back

568
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 8: up and she grabbed something and she had a hand

569
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 8: behind her back, and I, actually I should backtrack a

570
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 8: little bit because just before John passed, I asked him

571
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 8: what bird he wanted to be remembered as, because we've

572
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 8: got this tradition in our family. And he said, a

573
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 8: spangled drongo. Ah okay. And then we saw one about

574
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 8: six months later, and I said to him, are you

575
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 8: sure you want to be remembered as a spangled drongo?

576
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 8: Because they're my gratary. I won't see them much. He

577
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 8: said no, no, change your mind. I said, ah, I

578
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 8: said what and he said, a cooko bara.

579
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: Oh, that's my favorite.

580
00:35:59,200 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 8: You're serious.

581
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're killing me. A cook a bar

582
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: it's my favorite bird.

583
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 8: And I said why why a crooker barrough? And he said,

584
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 8: because they make people laugh.

585
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 2: One hundred I love them first first, to make people

586
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: laugh in the morning.

587
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 8: And the Indigenous belief is that they ring the bell.

588
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 8: They clear the air. The cooker barros clear the air

589
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 8: morning and night, because like a bell ringing, so okay,

590
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 8: a cooker barrough. So back to in the production office

591
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 8: setting it up. Victoria brings her hand out and says,

592
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 8: did you put this there? And in her hand was

593
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 8: a tiny, little white ceramic duck and I said, no,

594
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 8: I've never seen that before in my life. And she

595
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 8: went and what about this? And it was a crooker

596
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 8: Borough feather.

597
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, so he was overseeing the whole thing.

598
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 8: He's we're here Cooker Burroughs at the most opportune times.

599
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 8: I was struggling with the decision driving from my house

600
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 8: to the production office the day and I've got a

601
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 8: home burial plot where John is. I was thinking away

602
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 8: and I'm trying to work it out, and I looked

603
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 8: over at his headstone and on top was a cooker Borough. Okay,

604
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 8: that'll do. I'll go with that decision. Thanks John.

605
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: You know, I have this silly thing in my mind.

606
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 2: If I hear Cooker Borrows, like five in the morning

607
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: before the sun comes up, if I hear them laughing

608
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: wherever I am, my house, on my house up and

609
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: the borro and wver, I have the view that my

610
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: day is going to.

611
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 8: Be a good day.

612
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 5: Yeah.

613
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 2: It's they're telling they're laughing at whatevers it might be

614
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 2: worried about from the day before, and they're basically there's

615
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: sort of stupid. I know he's got no science associated

616
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: with it, but it just makes me feel good.

617
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 8: And that's your symbolism and that's great. And we all

618
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 8: should have this connection to the to the other side

619
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 8: of things that we don't that we're not indoctrinated by.

620
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 8: You know, that's spirit, that's connection to other things in

621
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 8: a different way that's personal to you. And people may think, oh,

622
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 8: you know, as if John put them there. Who knows.

623
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 8: I had a materialization from John after he passed. I'm

624
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 8: lying in bed one night, I rolled over and he

625
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 8: was there, as large as life. I didn't imagine it.

626
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 8: He was there. He didn't stay long. But I've had

627
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 8: so many ghost encounters that I know that there's something

628
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 8: else in a different realm that I have no explanation for,

629
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 8: but total acceptance of. And so whether it's through birds

630
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 8: and people say birds are messengers of the gods, you'll

631
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 8: often see them at funerals, or you'll connect on some

632
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 8: level with an ancestor or a meaning, which is what

633
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 8: you have. Why not embrace that? Who We can't be

634
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 8: that ignorant to think that we know everything. Yeah, because

635
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 8: we don't.

636
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: And you're right.

637
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 2: And I often where I fail often is that I'm

638
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 2: about evidence and I'm always thinking, well, if the science

639
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: can't prove it, therefore it doesn't exist, when in fact,

640
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: science would be the first to admit to you that

641
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,479
Speaker 2: or to us, that they don't know everything. They're still

642
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: in the discovery. They're just trying to discover everything, but

643
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: they just don't know everything. And therefore, just because the

644
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: scientists can't prove it doesn't mean it doesn't exist absolutely.

645
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: And I love that thought process. Yeah, and it sits

646
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: out there. I mean, I'm glad you reminded me of

647
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 2: the cooker brasion. And you know, you know, I have

648
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: a deep affection for John, always did, and you know,

649
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: I've always had it like this. There's something that I felt.

650
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 2: I always felt close to him and I saw him.

651
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 2: I didn't see him that often, but you know, when

652
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: I was to come up, i'd see him. And you know,

653
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 2: my youngest boy, Jimmy, loved him. And I was telling

654
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: the story about it before, but I'm not going to

655
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: reiterate it now on this show. But Jimmy was only

656
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 2: eleven at time, but he still talks about him affectionately.

657
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: And there's something about when you told me that he

658
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 2: loved cook brothers, I felt like he was talking to

659
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 2: me because that's my favorite bird. By far, there's no

660
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: other bird in the world gets anything close to Corkora.

661
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: In fact, I've got a painting of a corcaba around

662
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: the entrance of my house that I commissioned a lady

663
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 2: to paint for me, and that's I just love them.

664
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: I just love Corkoras. I love the fact that laughing

665
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 2: all the time. Yeah, and that's a great thing.

666
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 8: He really really liked you, Mark. He spoke extremely highly

667
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 8: of you.

668
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: Thank you.

669
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 8: You were one of his men. Yeah, you were one

670
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 8: that he really liked.

671
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny, you know, it's funny. You know

672
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: when we I can't wait to see the documentary, But

673
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 2: it's when you think of people like John and people

674
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: who were close to who were passed us and we

675
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: often from my point of view, and probably even the

676
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: audience who used to love watching John a Stop and

677
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: who have respect for what he produced. A documentary like

678
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: this I think is really important for people to see

679
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: because it actually gets you closer to the understanding of

680
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: why you feel warm towards that individual and why you

681
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: feel warm towards hoagues. You know why I relate to

682
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: Stop and Cornell, Why are related to the Paul Hogan Show.

683
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: I just love Paul Hogan show why I love I

684
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: love Crocodile Dundee. And you're bringing all these little nuances

685
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: out of the show in the making of in a documentary.

686
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 2: I think that's extremely That stuff needs to happened more often.

687
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 2: I don't really remember seeing too many documentaries about movies,

688
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: well made movies that have been around a long time,

689
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: as to what the thought process was in making. And

690
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: so this is a great initie, and I might love

691
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 2: to see the same sort of thing about for example,

692
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 2: Breakham Rant or Gallipoli as well. Those sorts of shows

693
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 2: what was behind the idea about it? Why were the

694
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: people thinking about these things?

695
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I think I think what I've tried

696
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 8: to do with the documentary as well as craft a

697
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 8: love letter to John and a honoring so good of

698
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 8: everybody who contributed their little spark to the lightning in

699
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 8: the bottle. You know that it takes more than one

700
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 8: person to create something as phenomenal as Crocodile Dundee. So yes,

701
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 8: let's acknowledge and I applaud those people, but as well,

702
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 8: I wanted to I wanted to showcase the values that

703
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 8: are inherent in success and when you have good values

704
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 8: like true mateship, self belief, courage, egalitarianism.

705
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: I love that one all of those.

706
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 8: Things that we should all practice. And I'm not trying

707
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 8: to be a preacher here. It's just in recognition of

708
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 8: those values that are so much in the body of

709
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 8: that film that you can feel it, but you probably

710
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 8: couldn't verbalize it. You don't know quite what it is,

711
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 8: but there's something that makes it good, and it's the good.

712
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 8: And so I would like people to practice those values,

713
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 8: to remember that as OSSI is particularly, we have them,

714
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 8: and if we practice those values, it may things happen

715
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 8: because you're doing good. And so I think that I

716
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 8: think that it's in there without being too you know,

717
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 8: this is what I reckon you should do. It's just

718
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 8: a nod to it. It's a recognition of the fact

719
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 8: that if those values weren't in that film, maybe it

720
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 8: wouldn't have been that film.

721
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 2: Which is probably why we all loved it, but we

722
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 2: never really knew why.

723
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think I think there's something in there that's

724
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 8: part of the magic. There's magic in Crocodile Dunity, and

725
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 8: I don't think I'm overstating that no magic is intent

726
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 8: in action, and so it was this incredible intention to

727
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 8: make this terrific film that really showcased Australia and Australians

728
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 8: and those guys everybody on that film put that into

729
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 8: action and then you know, you brew the cauldron and

730
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 8: off she goes and it affects everybody in a really

731
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 8: good way if it's well intentioned. And I think that's

732
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 8: what happened.

733
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: Day with that.

734
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 2: That is such a good summary of the whole thing. Seriously,

735
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: did you rehearse that he's made up on the spot?

736
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: You just channeled him. He just came through, Nick Fanning.

737
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: Welcome to straight to it, mate.

738
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: Finally, it's been a while, been a while, sure, Well

739
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: you've been busy mate. You mentioned your brother died, your

740
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: youngest brother, or the one closest to you in age,

741
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: but your other two brothers have passway too. I mean,

742
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: out of the five kids, is only you and your

743
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: sister still alive. That's pretty hectic. Extremely Yeah, it's like,

744
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I got a brother since I just can't

745
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: imagine it. How do you deal with it? Is it

746
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: a daily thing or do you sort of you talk

747
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: to them, like do you feel as though you have

748
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 2: a connection with them? Like my mother and father both

749
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 2: died last couple of years, and I still talk to

750
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 2: my father and mother every night, just just have a

751
00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: word to.

752
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: You, or sometimes when I'm driving home.

753
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: And the old days, when I was one of the

754
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: oldest county years ago, I thring my parents every night.

755
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: And I have worked mainly because I knew if I

756
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 2: spoke to my mom, you know, like I could say

757
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 2: momal home, so I didn't have to keep talking anymore.

758
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: But now I sometimes think to myself, I just wouldn't

759
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: be good to talk to mom or dad, and sometimes

760
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: I just do that. I actually say, Okay, fuck it,

761
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 2: I'll just talk to them. Do you how do you

762
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: feel about losing your other two brothers as well? And

763
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: do you how do you communicate?

764
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 5: Do you?

765
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 3: Yeah?

766
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 9: Look, I've always sort of been in this belief that

767
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 9: the the energy stays within the universe. Yeah, I agree

768
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 9: with that, and I feel like their their spirit or

769
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 9: their soul is still around. And especially like when I

770
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 9: was meditating a lot or focusing and getting really quiet,

771
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 9: there were times where I felt they were with me.

772
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 9: And they all have a different they all have a

773
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 9: different way they make me feel.

774
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm really all three.

775
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 9: Yeah, and so I sort of know when one of

776
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 9: them's here or there. But then, like as you said,

777
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 9: you might be driving and you'll see something and you

778
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 9: just have a memory pop up and you get sucker

779
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 9: punched with emotion and you are balling down the highway.

780
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 5: But I feel like, yeah, but then.

781
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 9: They've left legacies as well, in the sense that you know,

782
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 9: family or friends and they see these people and and

783
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 9: you know, a lot of people come up and they

784
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 9: want to sort of you know, express their emotions. Sometimes

785
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 9: it's really hard, like do you put on pity or

786
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 9: do you put on that? For me, I just want

787
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 9: to celebrate them. I want to celebrate like if my

788
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 9: brother wasn't here, I wouldn't know you or versa sort

789
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 9: of just celebrate that. And there's so many incredible memories

790
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 9: that I want to live with and and just want

791
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 9: to Yeah.

792
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 5: I guess.

793
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 9: Keep telling their story. And so I think someone's trying

794
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 9: to as manager, he's listening.

795
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you keeping you want to keep telling this story

796
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 2: because like their story is important to be told.

797
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: For sure, that's your story too.

798
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 9: Yes, And a lot of people live live through their

799
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 9: memory as well. You know, they see you and remember

800
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 9: that time, how funny was that? And so yeah, I

801
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 9: just try and celebrate, celebrate who they are.

802
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: It's very cerebral. I think that that's that's quite.

803
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: Intellectual.

804
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: Let's yeah, that's sort of fairly deep. I mean, I'm

805
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: I'm I'm glad you lay them because a lot of

806
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 2: people get we get them that as we get older

807
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: a lot. I wasn't like that at your age, but

808
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 2: definitely as I got old, I think more like that.

809
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: It's it's very very thoughtful, like I don't mean a

810
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 2: good boy type thing, I mean thoughtful and intense thought.

811
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: And you know, because most people say he's made a

812
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 2: lot of money, he's world champion, you know, he's got everything,

813
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: beautiful family, look at his life now, but most peop

814
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: wouldn't accredit you with looking back at yourself and who

815
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: Mick Fanning is and who Mick Fannings, who makes up

816
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 2: Mick Fanning like and because we are all I reckon is,

817
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 2: we're all a productive everything that we grew up around,

818
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: not just what we've done today. And you're grow up

819
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 2: with your brothers and your sister and your mum and

820
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: your dad, like you're all of those things. Mick Fanning's

821
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: all those things. He's not just MC Fanning, the guy

822
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 2: I won the world title three times, that's not it.

823
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 2: Not the guy who took I mean Joel said you

824
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: took the one title of him when he was able

825
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: to compete. We asked him what he would like what

826
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 2: he would like me to ask you. But it's not

827
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: just about that. There are a little transactions happened along

828
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: the way. But really you're the some of all those

829
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 2: other things.

830
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 5: For sure, for sure.

831
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 9: And I think you know, like probably the easiest way

832
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 9: to explain is, you know, we're talking about building a team, right, Yeah,

833
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 9: but you do that in life as well, where you know,

834
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 9: you might see someone and you're like, oh man, he

835
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 9: looks great in that shirt. I'm going to get that shirt.

836
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 9: And it's sort of it's taking little bits and pieces

837
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 9: of everything and everyone you see or everyone you meet,

838
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 9: and you're adapting little parts. But you're doing yeah, and

839
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 9: building your own puzzle in a sense.

840
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 2: Because you said that earlier. But when you were talking

841
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: to people when you were starting to be in the

842
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: pros pro surfing world, you said that earlier. Actually you

843
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 2: said that I would go and talk to arose people

844
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: and I would take from them something out of that

845
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: that might be good for me in terms of my career,

846
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 2: and we still that even when we're older, subconsciously, subconsciously

847
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 2: and it works.

848
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: It's always worth for you anyway.

849
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: And so if I by the way, I did mention

850
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 2: your wife and children. So anyone listening to this right now,

851
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 2: I think you know you're sitting here as a single

852
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 2: but like you have a wife and children, Like, do

853
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 2: you want to talk to me about that? So how

854
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 2: important are they in your life today?

855
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 5: Incredible? That's why I was late.

856
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 2: Skate lessons for one of your kids.

857
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 5: Yeah.

858
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 9: Yeah, so look, look I I cherished them, like, oh

859
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 9: the like my wife and my kids, Like I'll do

860
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 9: anything for them. And you know, I guess.

861
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: Do they travel with you and stuff?

862
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 5: Yeah?

863
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 9: Yeah, well we don't travel a whole lot anymore. Like

864
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 9: I sort of look at myself as I just want

865
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 9: to be dad and you know, everything everything else happens

866
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 9: around that, like if the kids need me or this,

867
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 9: or my wife needs.

868
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: Me, that's the center of your universe.

869
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's like they come first, even in my own world,

870
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 9: like I come last, Like in those four I'm last.

871
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: And you're happy with that though, I'm totally fine.

872
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like I've had a big life.

873
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: I'm fine.

874
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 5: I want to be there, and I want to.

875
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 9: Just make sure that whatever way they want to go,

876
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 9: one end of a thing they want to do, they

877
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 9: know they've got love and support the way that I've

878
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 9: always had love and support from my parents, from my siblings,

879
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 9: from my friends, and I'm always there.

880
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 5: Just yeah, I'm here if you need me.

881
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 2: Do you have how many kids?

882
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 5: Five and eighteen months? Yeah?

883
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 2: So do you ever think to yourself, my five year

884
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 2: old son might become a surfer, he might he might not.

885
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 2: And do you ever think, what do you have views

886
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 2: on what you'd like your son or daughter to do

887
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 2: or just whatever they want to do.

888
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 9: It would be amazing if they wanted to go down

889
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 9: that path. But in saying that, whatever they want to,

890
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 9: whatever they want to do, Like for me, it was

891
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 9: really hard for a whole year. My son didn't want

892
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 9: to go to the beach, and I'm just like, oh, no,

893
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 9: I'm gonna have one of these kids. But it taught

894
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 9: me a lot. It was like, I can't make them

895
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 9: want to do something. They're not you no, But the

896
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 9: only dream that I have with them that I would

897
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 9: love to do is to go and show them the

898
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,479
Speaker 9: world and show them the different parts of the most

899
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 9: beautiful places on earth, and that's the only thing. If

900
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 9: they serve with me or if they're just there, that's it.

901
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,959
Speaker 2: That's wow, and that's amazing. If you can do that,

902
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 2: that's the best. Yeah, incredible, And you put yourself in

903
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 2: a position to do that too, Like, yeah, you're lucky. Well,

904
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 2: I don't know about that. Your major, Like you worked

905
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: out where your talent was. You worked it hard, you

906
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 2: got to where you got to. A bit of luck,

907
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: perhaps a bit of timing and luck sort of go together.

908
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: But you've got to have the content to get to

909
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 2: take advantage of time and luckmate, So it doesn't work

910
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 2: any other way unless you make the content in the

911
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 2: first place and put in the work the work ethic.

912
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 2: I mean, that's.

913
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: I guess to you.

914
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 2: Giving you you had a close family in terms of

915
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 2: your brothers and your siblings and your parents, how important

916
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 2: is it then for you to have the same thing

917
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 2: between your two kids, like them to be close to

918
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: each other.

919
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, look, you can add once again, you can't. You

920
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 9: can't mash two people together that don't like each other.

921
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: But that's interesting.

922
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 9: We're lucky in the sense that Xander was at the

923
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 9: birth of a Viilah and the first moment you Saura,

924
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 9: he was so excited. Oh wow, And they've just got

925
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 9: this bond, like he wakes up after her these days

926
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 9: and she would just run and give him a big cuddle,

927
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 9: and like eighteen months, it's it's so beautiful.

928
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 5: Like Brian and I are sitting.

929
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 9: There like elbowing each other, like like you know, how

930
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 9: beautiful is that? And so we hope at last, I'm

931
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 9: sure they're going to fight.

932
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you thought your brother And.

933
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 2: It's amazing though, just like when I sit back and

934
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 2: listen to this story, it's sort of in some respects

935
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: you say you're lucky, but it's sort of like he'd

936
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 2: been blessed with unbelievably good outcomes other than you know,

937
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 2: a shark tried to attack you, and you know a

938
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: few things like that, and by the way, he lost

939
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 2: three brothers. But in terms of your immediate outcomes, there's

940
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 2: a blessing there. It's like and even the fact that

941
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 2: the shark didn't get you, you know, I mean, it's

942
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 2: like some intervention, Yeah, for sure, for sure.

943
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 9: Like that's like I always feel like there's there's always

944
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 9: someone looking out for me. Yeah, and I and I

945
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 9: feel like my brothers are there, you know, it's sort

946
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 9: of helping shape, yeah, or just move that way. But

947
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 9: also too, I guess without going through those traumas and

948
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 9: all that, would I appreciate those little moments. And I

949
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 9: think that's that's a big thing, is like some people

950
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 9: just you've got to see the good and everything, like

951
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 9: we always focus on the bad it's going to be.

952
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 2: But were you always like that or did you or

953
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 2: were those changing moments turning moments where you thought, you

954
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 2: know what blessed that didn't happen to me, or my

955
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 2: brothers passed away, I'm standing there, or you know it

956
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 2: could have been me. Do you ever think to yourself,

957
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 2: before I appreciate all of this stuff, it'll become much

958
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 2: more appreciative in life.

959
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think we we like,

960
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 9: you know, you don't want to have those things, Like

961
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 9: I look at people that haven't been through anything, and

962
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 9: you know, small things might affect them different to where

963
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 9: they affect me. But yeah, look, it's just I think

964
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 9: it's when when you're talking to your best mates, or

965
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 9: you're talking to someone that you really.

966
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 5: Care about, or they're going through a hard time. It's like.

967
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 9: It's ship for now. It doesn't always have to be shit.

968
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 9: You have the power to turn that around, and you

969
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 9: know no one can No one can make you do it.

970
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 9: They can give you advice and do all these things,

971
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 9: but you have the power to turn that. You have

972
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 9: the power to go. I could go down dark alley

973
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 9: or I can go and chase that light. And I've

974
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 9: always I feel like I've always wanted to chase the light.

975
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: Welcome mate, Nice to be mate.

976
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 2: You got a reputation or definitely had a reputation, is

977
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,720
Speaker 2: being fairly aggressive? Like hard mindset? How important is mindset

978
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 2: relative to just your physicality? Like you know your mindset?

979
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: How is that? How important has that been to you in.

980
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 2: Forging your career as one of the greatest cricketers of

981
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 2: Australate has ever produced.

982
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean my mindset and it'd be pretty hard

983
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 10: bit of it. Yeah, and I'll tell you why. So

984
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 10: a bit of my background. You talked about where I

985
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 10: grew up. I lived in housing comission homes until I

986
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 10: was playing cricket for Australia. So I was going away

987
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 10: on a cricket tour, coming back and living in a

988
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 10: housing commision home. So you know, as a kid, I

989
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 10: didn't have a pair of cricket As a kid, I

990
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 10: didn't I was borrowing my mum's shoes for cricket at

991
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 10: school in grade five.

992
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 4: Wow, you know stuff like that.

993
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 10: So once I got an opportunity, it was going to

994
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 10: take someone pretty.

995
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 4: Tough to take it away from you.

996
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: Fuck it, you're not letting that go.

997
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'm not yet.

998
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 10: And you know, my whole the whole journey for me

999
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 10: was once I got picked in the Australian team, all

1000
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 10: I both said was I want to be a successful

1001
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 10: part of a very successful cricket team. So I worked

1002
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 10: along along that way, I worked to be the most

1003
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 10: successful I could be, but also make sure the team

1004
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 10: that I was in was the most successful it could

1005
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 10: be with whatever I could do, skill wise, leadership wise,

1006
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 10: mindset wise, whatever whatever I could And then and then

1007
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 10: you can break that down even further. So as a

1008
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 10: as a batsman, you're in a one on one contest

1009
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 10: with the bowler. Right, the bowler standing up the end

1010
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 10: of his mark, he's B one hundred and fifty K

1011
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 10: is either trying to hurt you know, he's trying to

1012
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 10: get you out right, So the way that I used

1013
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 10: to look at that, and this is you talk about mindset.

1014
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 4: It was like radio, I'm here, you've got your ball,

1015
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 4: I got my bat. Let's go the best, let's see

1016
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 4: your wins. Yeah, that's so.

1017
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 2: I looked at it and you're consciously wear that.

1018
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 4: That that's all.

1019
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 10: That's how I got myself up for his game, like

1020
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 10: I never thought like as a young bloke, I never

1021
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 10: thought a bowler could ever get me out. It didn't

1022
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 10: matter what they did, didn't matter hell well they bold,

1023
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 10: how fast they bowled. I had no fear of getting

1024
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 10: out at all. I was just going out the skill

1025
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 10: to score runs and that was it.

1026
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 2: Did it ever change? Is there anyone.

1027
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 4: Particularly now it changed the back end of my careers

1028
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 4: where it changed?

1029
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love it.

1030
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 4: They're like, well, no, but it was not. It was

1031
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 4: where the mindset changed, to be honest.

1032
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1033
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 10: So the last two years when I stood down from

1034
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 10: the captaincy and Michael Clarke took over the one day

1035
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 10: captaincy and Test captaincy, and at that stage no other

1036
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 10: captain that had stood down had kept playing.

1037
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 4: Normally, if you stood down, you.

1038
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 10: Retired, but I wanted to stay around the Aussie team

1039
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 10: because I still when I was still playing well enough,

1040
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 10: there was no one in Australia that was going to

1041
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 10: not take my place. But we had Warner and Smith

1042
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 10: and Hadden and Johnson and Side, all these young boys

1043
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 10: coming in to the Nathan Lyne, all these young guys

1044
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 10: coming in that I wanted to be around and be

1045
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 10: a part of the start of their journey like I

1046
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 10: had when I started. I had Boone, Healley, Taylor to

1047
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 10: Wars all these guys around when I first started, and

1048
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 10: it was the ideal introduction into the Israil cricket team.

1049
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 4: So I wanted to be around for that.

1050
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 10: But what what that meant was when I wasn't captain

1051
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 10: and we talk about setting example, I went to it.

1052
00:59:58,320 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 4: I just went too.

1053
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 10: Far with it all, try to be too perfect with

1054
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 10: I mean, I was fitter, I was stronger, I was leaner.

1055
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 10: All the things that I needed to do training was

1056
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 10: to play.

1057
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: Well physically, physically.

1058
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 10: But what I was also too worried about was, as

1059
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 10: I said, being perfect and setting the perfect example. Then

1060
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 10: I've just forgot how to score runs. That might not

1061
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 10: make any sense to you. But when I was just

1062
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 10: said before, every time I walked out the bat. I

1063
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 10: had no fear of getting out. It was only about

1064
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 10: scoring runs at the back end, trying to be perfect.

1065
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 10: I was more worried about not getting out first than

1066
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 10: scoring runs.

1067
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 2: It's a bit of as we get older, let's say

1068
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 2: we grow wealth, for whatever the case may be, we

1069
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 2: play more defensively. It's like we've got something to protect.

1070
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 2: I mean in footy, you can't do it in an

1071
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 2: AFL automobile. You can't protect the lead. You've got to

1072
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 2: you know, being defensive. It's not a good idea. So

1073
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 2: you're saying your mindset as you get older, it sounds

1074
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 2: like you're trying to protect lead or a little bit

1075
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 2: more defensive.

1076
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: You're not as fearless, yeah.

1077
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 10: Or yeah, just more or more worried about getting out

1078
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 10: first rather than scoring runs.

1079
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1080
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 4: So that's exactly what happened.

1081
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 10: And then when you're thinking that way, guess what, making

1082
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 10: runs becomes bloody hard.

1083
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 2: So if I do want to just ask you one

1084
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 2: quick question, because I think it's relevant to some of

1085
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 2: the young kids coming through today, some of the young players.

1086
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 2: When you're you talked about how when you, let's say

1087
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 2: it in two thousand and five, you're in England. The media,

1088
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 2: everyone's trying to put your pants down and sort of

1089
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 2: you know, put pressure on you wherever they can find weakness,

1090
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 2: put pressure on you. How do you deal with the

1091
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 2: pressure of being a really super talented young guy everyone

1092
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 2: has expectations of in a cricket side. You know, Let's

1093
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 2: say you're just now playing for Australia or you're playing

1094
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 2: we're playing reps and you're playing for Australia like your

1095
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 2: first year, your first year a captaincy. How did you

1096
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 2: deal with the pressure of the media. You're someone in

1097
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 2: the media today, so you know how the media works.

1098
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 2: They're always they're looking for a story, you know, and

1099
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 2: if Ricky Pointing doesn't want to be the player that

1100
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 2: everyone thought he was, they're going to give it to you.

1101
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1102
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 10: I mean I I never gave them too much, to

1103
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,439
Speaker 10: be honest, And I talk the way I talk about

1104
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 10: that now is when I was a player and as

1105
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 10: a captain, it was like I have my helmet on

1106
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 10: all the time. And now that I've retired, I've been

1107
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 10: able to take my helmet off and there's a lot more,

1108
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 10: you know, there's a lot more of me coming out,

1109
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 10: whether it's in broadcast or I think people on the

1110
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 10: public and the media probably starting to understand me more

1111
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 10: now than they did when I was playing. But that

1112
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 10: was that was on purpose as well. I didn't want

1113
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 10: to give too much away about me or my team

1114
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 10: because I.

1115
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 4: Looked at myself as well as a as.

1116
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 10: A guardian of Australian cricket and a protector of my teammates.

1117
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 10: You know, I looked as myself as a pretty much

1118
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 10: when I was captain. I thought of myself as a

1119
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,919
Speaker 10: primary school teacher, Like, how would a primary school teacher

1120
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 10: look after their group?

1121
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 5: Right there?

1122
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 10: They're always there, They're there for them all the time.

1123
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 10: They're putting their arm around and they give them a

1124
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 10: pat in the back. They're not necessarily ruling with the

1125
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 10: iron fist like the like the principal would at a

1126
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 10: prim primary school at sorry, at a school, a private

1127
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 10: school high school.

1128
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1129
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 4: So that's the way that I tried to detect and

1130
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 4: look after.

1131
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 10: So if it even if it wasn't me, like I didn't,

1132
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 10: I didn't get a lot of negativity in the media

1133
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 10: because of the way that I played because I'd had

1134
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 10: reasonable success, right, so there wasn't many times reasonable Yeah,

1135
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 10: so it wasn't a lot where I had to go

1136
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 10: and sit and talk about myself or answer questions about myself.

1137
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: But you're the captain of the team.

1138
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 10: That leadership five maybe some questions around that. But I

1139
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 10: had all these other guys that I was answering questions

1140
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 10: about all the time. And that's where the protector came in.

1141
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 4: That's for me.

1142
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 10: I didn't give much about I didn't say much about

1143
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 10: any of them that once. I said, you know, they're

1144
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 10: in my tent. I'm doing whatever. I came to look

1145
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 10: after them and protect them and keep them in my tent.

1146
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 10: And they've ever got to the point where media were

1147
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 10: unfair to my team or were unfair and factually incorrect

1148
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 10: about any of my players, then they knew it.

1149
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 4: I went, I went straight.

1150
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 10: I went, yeah, but not in I just go to

1151
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 10: a individually ands and say, look, that's you're wrong. And

1152
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 10: if you want to keep talking to so you're going

1153
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 10: to keep talking to me in press conferences, then why

1154
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 10: don't you talk to me first and asked me first,

1155
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 10: rather than just planning stuff out there that's not that's

1156
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 10: not right.

1157
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 4: So I had a pretty.

1158
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 10: Strict, strong relationship with the media, and now I think

1159
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 10: a lot of those guys that I dealt with then,

1160
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 10: if you asked them now, they would say it was

1161
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 10: that bloke fifteen years ago, like he's totally.

1162
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 4: Different than right now.

1163
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 10: That's right, yeah, But I'm also go yeah, and I'm

1164
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 10: not I'm not looking I'm not looking after anyone. I'm

1165
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 10: not protecting a group and a team. And you know

1166
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 10: the other thing. Back then, I think we could beat

1167
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 10: a lot of teams back then on the mystique that

1168
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 10: was around that side. Everyone thought we were different. Everyone

1169
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 10: thought we were different everybody else and there's something around

1170
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 10: that group and this player does that and he does that.

1171
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 4: Now there wasn't.

1172
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 10: We were just good, but we were quiet. We didn't

1173
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,919
Speaker 10: let anyone in. No one knew anything about what we're doing.

1174
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 10: You know, no one was in the No one used

1175
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 10: to come in the dressing rooms. That we might have

1176
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 10: three or four people in the dressing rooms at the

1177
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 10: end of a test match. Like, I didn't want anyone

1178
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 10: to know what we were, what we were like.

1179
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 2: So it's interesting because I'm sitting here talking to you

1180
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 2: and the cameras probably ant catching this, but I mean,

1181
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 2: I'm trying to look at your personality and your character

1182
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 2: and I talked about your eyes moment to go for

1183
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 2: the people who who are listening to this, and or

1184
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 2: if you're listening on you know, with some sort of

1185
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 2: audio process and or not watching, I can tease me

1186
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 2: with this guy seeing obviously now, So I want to

1187
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 2: make some observations. So the first thing is you are

1188
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 2: for me. You are really confident in what you got

1189
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 2: to say, and you articulate it well. So I guess

1190
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 2: that's how you were as a player too and as

1191
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 2: a captain. But you articulate with will. But what people

1192
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 2: don't would not be picking up from these cameras. This

1193
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 2: guy's got a death stare. You have a death stare.

1194
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 2: You don't blink too much blinking now, but when you're speaking,

1195
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 2: when you are, when you're delivering an answer, you know

1196
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 2: exactly what you want to say. But the glare that's

1197
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 2: coming out of your eyes is confronting, like it's it's

1198
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 2: like you're looking right through me.

1199
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: And do you realize you do that?

1200
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 10: I mean you've probably have been told by Yeah, I

1201
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 10: don't know that I do it, but I've been told

1202
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 10: in certain environments. So have you got that look?

1203
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 2: Like you know, even my dad's dad's got the look.

1204
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 10: Even like my son's eleven, even around his junior cricket team,

1205
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 10: some of the other dads are like, have you have

1206
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 10: you got that look from him today?

1207
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: Where there is a look you have?

1208
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 2: Not when you're laughing, your eyes squenened up and I

1209
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 2: can't see what's going on in there.

1210
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: But when you what.

1211
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 10: I'm talking about cricket and leadership and things, I'm pretty

1212
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 10: you know, I'm pretty passionate about it.

1213
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 2: I engaves me passionate. You like, for me, this is

1214
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 2: dad said serious the deal. It's not just I get

1215
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 2: the passion bit, but like it's real, Like when you

1216
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 2: say I want to protect my side, my job is

1217
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 2: to look after him.

1218
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: It looks like Bravehart ship.

1219
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 2: It's real, it's real, like you you really want to

1220
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 2: do it, You're really actually really believe in it. Sounds

1221
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 2: like it's fundamental. It's a fundamental to me. It's like

1222
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 2: a non negotiable principle. Like not something you're prepared to

1223
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 2: move back and move away from.

1224
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 4: No, not at all. And that's the way I've lived.

1225
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 4: That's why I was brought up.

1226
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 10: You know, nothing, nothing's easy, nothing's taken for granted. You

1227
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 10: got the opportunity to make the most of it. Put

1228
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 10: your stamp on it, let everyone know the way it's

1229
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 10: going to be, and then remain that way.

1230
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 4: Remain yourself.

1231
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 10: You can't I've always been a big believer or not,

1232
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 10: but you can't change who you are and go up

1233
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 10: and down with the moments or with the times or

1234
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 10: with the individuals like you have to let everyone know

1235
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 10: this is you, this is the way it's going to

1236
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 10: be at the end of the day. You know, I

1237
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 10: might give someone a desk there, but that and that

1238
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 10: might be one of my teammates, but that teammate has

1239
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 10: to understand that the reason I'm doing that is because

1240
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 10: I'm trying to make them better. It's not for any

1241
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 10: other reason. I don't I don't dislike.

1242
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: It to dominate.

1243
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 4: You just know this, Yeah, this is this is the way.

1244
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 10: This is the way that I'm delivering the message. This

1245
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 10: is the way I think I can get the message

1246
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 10: across to you, to you best. And even coaching in

1247
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 10: the ip on our, I'm coaching probably five or six

1248
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 10: different cultures in one one team environment. You know, you've

1249
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 10: got probably fifteen eighteen Indians in your side, young Indian kids,

1250
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 10: and you know that death there probably comes out with

1251
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 10: them a lot of the time. But like I said

1252
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 10: it on my say, I'm going to have I'm gonna

1253
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 10: have one hundred conversations with you over the next two months.

1254
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 10: You're going to enjoy ninety ninety five of them, but

1255
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 10: there's going to be a few that you're not going

1256
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 10: to enjoy that much. And that's but the reason I'm

1257
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 10: doing it is because I'm making you better. That's that's

1258
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 10: all I care about, is making you better, making our

1259
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 10: team better, and giving us the chance of wining to

1260
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 10: win as many games as possible.

1261
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 2: Do you think the growing up the way you did,

1262
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 2: as you mentioned earlier, now housing commissioned as a kid,

1263
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 2: et cetera, and not being sort of overly spoilt, obviously

1264
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 2: but clearly being loved by your parents, but not being

1265
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 2: overly spoilt, do you think that sort of builds a

1266
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 2: certain honestly and authenticity and like something you I mean,

1267
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:31,600
Speaker 2: as a principle, do you.

1268
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 1: Carry that through in your life, like fucking I'm going

1269
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: to be authentic.

1270
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to be honest because part of that those

1271
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:39,639
Speaker 2: conversations making you the best version of yourself. You're talking

1272
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 2: to your players or and or your teammates. That's about

1273
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 2: you actually telling him what you honestly feel like, and

1274
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 2: then you talk authentically. You don't you're not trying to

1275
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 2: bullshad anybody, you know, Like I know people like this.

1276
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 2: Kerry Pack was like that. He was he actually wanted

1277
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 2: to get the best version of you out of you.

1278
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 2: And he also had the same look. And I haven't

1279
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 2: met too many people have that look. He had that

1280
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 2: same look. And do you build it as a skill

1281
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 2: do you think or do you notice as it no

1282
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 2: it's a skill, or is there something that you just

1283
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 2: naturally do?

1284
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 4: I think it was something that was ingrained in me.

1285
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 10: I think you go back to my upbringing at home,

1286
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 10: my cricket club upbringing environment was very much the same,

1287
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 10: very hard ass upbringing in my cricket club, but the

1288
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 10: same thing.

1289
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 4: There had a lot of blokes that were looking out.

1290
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 10: For me and had my back, And I think having

1291
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 10: had that as a kid, I think I understand understood

1292
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 10: how good and loving that environment was, and I it

1293
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 10: wanted to make sure that was the way I was

1294
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 10: going to be going forward. So I don't think it

1295
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:38,520
Speaker 10: was ever anything. I don't think it was a practiced

1296
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 10: thing I just think that I had great respect for

1297
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 10: being spoken to and looked after in that way.

1298
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 4: That that's just who it turned out to be.

1299
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 10: But also when I was, when I was really young,

1300
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 10: you know, some of the some interviews I did as

1301
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 10: a kid, I mean, I couldn't put two words together

1302
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Speaker 10: as a seventeen eighteen twenty year old on so many

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Speaker 10: kin though, no and I couldn't, And looking back now

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Speaker 10: it was embarrassing, was some of the interviews I did

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Speaker 10: as a young bloke. When I first got picked. It

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Speaker 10: was like God, I couldn't even I couldn't even speak.

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Speaker 10: But that's all evolved, you know, it evolves step by step,

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Speaker 10: stage by stage. Maturity roles in teams, having a voice

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Speaker 10: to start with, I think as once again, as a

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Speaker 10: young bloke, it didn't always have that voice, and didn't

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Speaker 10: want to. I just wanted to sit back and listen

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Speaker 10: and learn from what the great players and great teams

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Speaker 10: are doing, and then.

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Speaker 4: I could store all that.

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Speaker 10: I think that's probably been my greatest strength over time,

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Speaker 10: is the ability just to listen and take stuff in

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Speaker 10: and then get rid of all the shit and keep

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Speaker 10: the good stuff, and then and be able to use

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Speaker 10: the good stuff where, where and when appropriate around individuals

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Speaker 10: or around teams. So and if I'm talking about cricket,

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Speaker 10: I want people to know that I'm serious about it.

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Speaker 10: Like I'm not just there to captain the team to

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Speaker 10: have a bit of fun. I'm there to captain the

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Speaker 10: team to make you better and win games, simple as that.

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Speaker 10: And if if you're if you're not on the journey

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Speaker 10: with me, then I'll find someone else. So that and

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Speaker 10: you know, the when I took over the captaincy, it

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Speaker 10: was like I'm taking over the best, the best team

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Speaker 10: in the world. I want to make it different in

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Speaker 10: some way. I want to make what's inside the dressing

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Speaker 10: room a little bit different than what it is. I

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Speaker 10: want us to play the same way on the field.

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Speaker 10: So you know, I came up with a vision of

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Speaker 10: what I wanted from our team now. I wanted the

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Speaker 10: team to be the best skilled and most uncompromising cricket

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Speaker 10: team the world's ever.

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Speaker 1: I love that on compromising.

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Speaker 10: But yeah, yeah, so with a vision, you need a

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Speaker 10: set of values to go with that, right, So how

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Speaker 10: do I get how do I create this vision? How

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Speaker 10: do I make this vision work? So then I said

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Speaker 10: all the players down in a group and we talked

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Speaker 10: about the values and way ways that we're going to

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Speaker 10: live our lives and train to give us the best

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Speaker 10: chance of being that best team in the world. And

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Speaker 10: then the third part of that was so I called

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Speaker 10: it the three v's vision Values Validation. Validation was the

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Speaker 10: third part. If you can't validate it, you're not in

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Speaker 10: my team.

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Speaker 5: Sorry.

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Speaker 10: But if you're not, you're not on the same track

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Speaker 10: as me, you're not on the same path as me.

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Speaker 10: Then we've got enough good players. I find someone else.

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Speaker 1: So don't talk to talk, walk to walk like, or

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Speaker 1: do both.

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Speaker 10: Only the way you're in with me. This is the

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Speaker 10: way we're doing it. Jump on board and off we go,

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Speaker 10: and we'll go and play, and we'll go and win,

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Speaker 10: but we'll do it the right way.