WEBVTT - ‘Insipid and weak’: What voters think of Anthony Albanese

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<v Speaker 1>From Schwartz Media.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Daniel James. This is seven am. Get a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of people into a room and ask them what they

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<v Speaker 2>think of the Prime minister. That's what posters have been

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<v Speaker 2>doing all year, and hundreds of groups have spoken to

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of people. And the picture that has emerged of

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<v Speaker 2>what the public thinks of Anthony Alberesi isn't pretty, with

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<v Speaker 2>approval ratings approaching to Lowe's Scott Morrison had before being

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<v Speaker 2>voted out of office in twenty twenty two. Perceptions around

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<v Speaker 2>the mansion Alberanese bought the freebies he's accepted, have heard

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<v Speaker 2>him and with an election looming, this spells trouble for

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<v Speaker 2>the PM. Today's special correspondent for the Saturday Paper, Jason

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<v Speaker 2>Kotsukus on the public's dislike of Anthony Albanesi and whether

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<v Speaker 2>he can turn it around. It's Friday, December twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Jace, thanks for joining us, Daniel, it's great to be

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<v Speaker 1>with you.

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<v Speaker 2>So Anthony Albertezi has been relentlessly focused group this year.

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<v Speaker 2>What's been the top line assessment?

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<v Speaker 3>So right throughout this year we've seen the government's numbers

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<v Speaker 3>in the published opinion polls follow a steady declinient. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's also something that's been reflected in the qualitative research

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<v Speaker 3>that polling companies do, these so called focus groups. And

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<v Speaker 3>Coyle Samaras, who's the director of strategy for Redbridge, I

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<v Speaker 3>spoke to him this week and he told me that

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<v Speaker 3>his company have done about four hundred and fifty focus

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<v Speaker 3>groups this year. And the key message coming out of

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<v Speaker 3>those focus groups, according to Causes, that Anthony Abernezi is

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<v Speaker 3>now where Scott Morrison was as he was approaching what

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<v Speaker 3>turned out to be a pretty magnificant defeat in May

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 4>Voters consider Anthony Albanesi to be the weakest prime minister

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<v Speaker 4>in decades according to the latest News poll out today.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's the numbers what a people been saying about

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<v Speaker 2>him in these focus groups.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the message that Caause has been hearing is

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<v Speaker 3>that the Prime Minister is constantly having to explain himself

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<v Speaker 3>for things that you know, are slightly difficult for him

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<v Speaker 3>to explain, things like buying the four point three million

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<v Speaker 3>dollar house.

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<v Speaker 5>Anthony Alberizi is the proud new owner of a Central

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<v Speaker 5>Coast beach house worth more than four million dollars, but

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<v Speaker 5>political rivals have hit out at the Prime Minister's purchase

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<v Speaker 5>in the middle of a housing crisis, having.

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<v Speaker 1>To explain his relationship with Alan Joyce.

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<v Speaker 4>I recall direct discussions with Alan Joyce over over the

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<v Speaker 4>flights the Emirates or Quantity.

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<v Speaker 3>Anthian Alberenezi has seen to have a close relationship with

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<v Speaker 3>him and to have accepted upgrades to her Quantus flights

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<v Speaker 3>over all the years.

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<v Speaker 1>That he's been in Parliament.

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<v Speaker 3>He's had to explain why his son Nathan has been

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<v Speaker 3>made a member of the Chairman's lodge.

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<v Speaker 2>Aston broke the stories about the Quantus Chairman's club membership

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<v Speaker 2>for Albaneze's son, the sweetheart deal as Darton calls it,

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<v Speaker 2>with Quantas over Katar.

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<v Speaker 3>These are things that Anthony Albanezi would rather not be

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<v Speaker 3>talking about. And this is gradually sort of dragged down

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<v Speaker 3>his kind of popularity with voters, and people are saying

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<v Speaker 3>that perhaps this Prime Minister is not really focused on

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<v Speaker 3>solving the problems that really matter to us, where the

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<v Speaker 3>main problem is housing affordability. So I think that's the

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<v Speaker 3>main takeout from causes focus groups.

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<v Speaker 2>And it sounds like some of the criticism has been

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<v Speaker 2>quite personal as well.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, people are. You know, they came to see

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<v Speaker 3>Scott Morrison as too trickier a politician, a politician they

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't really trust, But there was still this kind of

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<v Speaker 3>residual respect for the personal side of Scott Morrison. There

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<v Speaker 3>was nothing about Scott Morrison's personal life that voters really

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<v Speaker 3>sort of disagreed with.

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<v Speaker 1>They thought he was an honorable dad.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm here with Lily and we are here to build

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<v Speaker 4>a cubby house today and here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been to Bunnings.

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<v Speaker 3>But perhaps you know that's not the case with Anthony Albanezi,

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<v Speaker 3>that they see him as someone who's buying mansions, getting freebies,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that's starting to affect people's voting intentions.

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<v Speaker 2>So how does the perception of Anthony Albanezi now compared

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<v Speaker 2>to when he won the twenty twenty two election.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you look at the.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the averages of all the published opinion polls, what

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<v Speaker 3>we see now is that there's quite a big gap

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<v Speaker 3>in the two party preferred vote. The Guardian runs a

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<v Speaker 3>poll average and they've got the current two party preferred

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<v Speaker 3>vote for the Coalition at around fifty two and a

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<v Speaker 3>half point compared to forty seven and a half points

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<v Speaker 3>for Labor. So that's quite a big gap five points

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<v Speaker 3>and if that's our people actually voted in the next

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<v Speaker 3>federal election, then that would be a landslide victory for

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<v Speaker 3>Peter Dutton. Now, I don't think things are really that

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<v Speaker 3>bad for Labor and for the Prime Minister yet, but

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<v Speaker 3>things are at a very dangerous inflection point for the

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<v Speaker 3>prime minister right now.

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<v Speaker 2>How did it go so wrong?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, one of the people that I spoke to for

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<v Speaker 3>this story was Paul Stranger, the emeritus professor of Politics

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<v Speaker 3>at Monish University. And according to Paul, there's an entrenched

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<v Speaker 3>view now of Anthony Albanesi as a well intentioned politician,

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<v Speaker 3>but someone who's also insipid and weak and more a

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<v Speaker 3>hostage to events rather than a shaper of them. And

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<v Speaker 3>now that as we approach the end of this current

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<v Speaker 3>three year term of government, because you know of Albanesi's

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<v Speaker 3>leadership style, the government is finishing its term without a

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<v Speaker 3>signature landmark reform, and that you know that there's this

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<v Speaker 3>kind of impression of a government that's engaged in a

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<v Speaker 3>maintenance project rather than a government that's embarked on an

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<v Speaker 3>art of filled mission. An issue that really is bedeviling

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<v Speaker 3>social democratic parties worldwide.

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<v Speaker 1>And even though we had a deli aage of legislation in.

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<v Speaker 3>The final week of the parliamentary year, that's really done

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<v Speaker 3>nothing to fundamentally alter the picture that voters have of

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<v Speaker 3>of Albanesi.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's been in Parliament for a long time. He's

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<v Speaker 2>elected in nineteen ninety six. Does that ply into his

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<v Speaker 2>image problems in terms of being seen as part of

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<v Speaker 2>the political class that has caused a lot of these

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<v Speaker 2>structural issues for the Australian economy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 3>He's been in parliament so long that it becomes very difficult,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, to really stay in touch with the needs

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<v Speaker 3>of ordinary people, and I think you come to believe

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<v Speaker 3>that your judgment is better than everyone else's, and it

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<v Speaker 3>becomes very difficult to take advice to listen when people

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<v Speaker 3>question your judgment.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it's almost certain.

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<v Speaker 3>That if he does hang on and remain Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 3>after the election, it will be in a minority government

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<v Speaker 3>that he forms with members of the cross Bench. But

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<v Speaker 3>it's also quite possible that he won't get enough seats

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<v Speaker 3>to even form a minority government, and that Peter Utton

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<v Speaker 3>ends up being the one most likely to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to form a government after the election and become Prime minister.

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<v Speaker 2>After the break. Why Peter Dutton isn't as unpopular as

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<v Speaker 2>you think, So, Jason, we've been talking about how the

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<v Speaker 2>public views Anthony Albanezi at this moment. Let's just talk

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<v Speaker 2>a bit more about how voters view Peter Dutton as

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<v Speaker 2>the alternative prime minister.

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<v Speaker 3>Well I spoke to a senior Liberal Party official who

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<v Speaker 3>has seen a lot of the research that the Liberal

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<v Speaker 3>Party is doing, and one of the things that is

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<v Speaker 3>really coming through in the coalition's research is that this

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<v Speaker 3>idea that Peter Dutton is unelectable is not true anymore

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<v Speaker 3>if it was ever true and out of step with

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<v Speaker 3>current voter sentiment. And you know, while Peter Dutton does

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<v Speaker 3>have that kind of quite severe look when you first

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<v Speaker 3>look at Peter Dutton, you might think gets it's difficult

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<v Speaker 3>to like this person. But people have started to certainly

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<v Speaker 3>respect Peter Dutton for who he is, as someone that

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<v Speaker 3>does have a stronger and clearer idea of where he

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<v Speaker 3>wants to take the country. And when you look at

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<v Speaker 3>the Freshwater pole that was published in the Financial Review

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<v Speaker 3>earlier this month, we saw Anthony Albanesi's net approval is

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<v Speaker 3>now at minus seventeen. That's a thirty four point declinient

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<v Speaker 3>since twenty twenty two, while Peter Dutton's approval is improved

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<v Speaker 3>by six points over the same period to minus three.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's kind of a net fourteen points ahead of

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<v Speaker 3>Anthony Alberzi when it comes to net approval.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So we have these different perceptions of the leader

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<v Speaker 2>of the opposition and the Prime minister. Do you have

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<v Speaker 2>any sense of how this might translate electorally.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I think it's really difficult to project who's going

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<v Speaker 3>to win the election because elections are always close, the

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<v Speaker 3>polls always tightened as we get closer to polling day.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is a government that's still in its first term.

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<v Speaker 3>And we've never had a one term government since Joseph

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<v Speaker 3>Scullen was Prime Minister in nineteen thirty one, and it

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<v Speaker 3>took the Great Depression to toss his government out after

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<v Speaker 3>one term.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember it well, and I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Think anyone thinks that the economy is as bad today

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<v Speaker 3>as it was in the early nineteen thirties, But we

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<v Speaker 3>can't rely on historical precedent to say that that's going

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<v Speaker 3>to guarantee Anthony Albinezi a second term of government. The

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<v Speaker 3>other thing to remember is that his majority in the

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<v Speaker 3>House of Representatives is only two seats that when he

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<v Speaker 3>won that May twenty twenty two election. Yes, he did

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<v Speaker 3>win enough seats to form a majority in his own right,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was the slimmest majority that we've seen for

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<v Speaker 3>an incoming government in a very long time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think, yeah, with that margin.

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<v Speaker 3>Of only two seats, it's very difficult to see how

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<v Speaker 3>it can hang on to majority government. It seems to

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<v Speaker 3>me that minority government is the most likely outcome, but

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<v Speaker 3>whether it's a minority government with Anthony Albanesi at the

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<v Speaker 3>top or Peter Dutton, it's probably too difficult to tell

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<v Speaker 3>at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>So it says so much is actually hanging on the

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<v Speaker 2>type of campaign Albanesi will run.

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<v Speaker 1>What can we.

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<v Speaker 2>Expect from the campaign and Albanese's ability to cut through well.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's one of the things that Anthony Albanezi

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<v Speaker 3>has on his side, Paul Erickson, who is the National

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<v Speaker 3>Secretary of the ALP, and that the campaign team that

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<v Speaker 3>he has built around him are very good campaigners. Anthony

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<v Speaker 3>Albanezi himself is not a great campaigner. We saw that

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty twenty two when perhaps the best moments of

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<v Speaker 3>the campaign for Labor was when Anthony Albanezi had to

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<v Speaker 3>take himself off the field because he got COVID.

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<v Speaker 1>Were we ready to rock and roll?

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<v Speaker 2>All right?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the boss has got the boat, so you got mate.

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<v Speaker 1>I just spoke to Albow and he's doing okay. He's

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<v Speaker 1>also got a pretty strong front bench.

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<v Speaker 3>When you look at some of the people who are

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<v Speaker 3>in the ministry now and you compare that to Peter

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<v Speaker 3>Dutton's front bench, then you'd probably say that Peter Dutton's

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<v Speaker 3>team is not quite ready for government yet.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's another advantage. I think that the PMAs.

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<v Speaker 2>And finally Jason, when it comes to turning that negative

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<v Speaker 2>approval around. What's Anthony Albanese's biggest challenge now? How can

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<v Speaker 2>he start to change people's minds.

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<v Speaker 3>I think one thing that the government would be hoping

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<v Speaker 3>for between now and polling day is that the Reserve

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<v Speaker 3>Bank will cut interest rates. But in terms of what

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<v Speaker 3>Albanese can do to change voters' perceptions of him, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think there really is much that he can do.

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<v Speaker 3>As we said before, he's been in Parliament for nearly

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<v Speaker 3>thirty years. People know who he is, they know what

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<v Speaker 3>he stands for, and think Albaneze has really got to

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<v Speaker 3>try and hope that he can offer a set of

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<v Speaker 3>policies that offers more hope and more optimism than what

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<v Speaker 3>Peter Dutton's going to come up with. Albaneze can say

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<v Speaker 3>that he is genuinely trying to tackle the climate crisis.

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<v Speaker 1>He did get a lot of legislation through last.

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<v Speaker 3>Year which he's going to hope will start to make

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<v Speaker 3>a difference when it comes to things like the housing crisis.

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<v Speaker 3>There are other things that the government has done on

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<v Speaker 3>things like medicare.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think the key thing.

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<v Speaker 3>For Albanezi and his government is to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>offer a vision that is more optimistic, more positive than

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<v Speaker 3>what Peter Dutton will be offering during the election campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>Well let's just watch this space. Jason, thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>much for your time.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Daniel, always great to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Also in the news today, the Federal government has announced

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<v Speaker 2>its offering low interest loans on electric vehicles valued up

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<v Speaker 2>to fifty five thousand dollars. Loans will be offered at

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<v Speaker 2>interest rates up to five percentage points lower than standard

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<v Speaker 2>for workers earning less than one hundred thousand dollars a year,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as essentil workers such as teachers, nurses and

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<v Speaker 2>emergency workers regardless of income. Commonwealth Bankers currently offering the

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<v Speaker 2>loan through their ev Access program, and Australia's embassy and

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<v Speaker 2>Kiev were reopening the new year. Foreign Affairs Minister Pennywong

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<v Speaker 2>made the announcement during a trip to Ukraine, where he

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<v Speaker 2>also visited the site of the embassy that was closed

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty two following the invasion of Ukraine by Russia.

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<v Speaker 2>Seven Am is a daily show from Schwartz Media and

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