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Speaker 2: up tonight, a big program for you. The Great Douglas
Speaker 2: Murray joins me shortly and he's in fine form, covering
Speaker 2: everything from Trump's sobering message to Justin Trudeau to the
Speaker 2: President Elect's piece through Strength strategy. Also joining me tonight,
Speaker 2: Gary Hartgrave and Kosha.
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Speaker 4: Now have a president coming into office, who's talking about
Speaker 4: firing squads, who's talking about running people around the country.
Speaker 2: But first, Labor is now faced with a critical choice.
Speaker 2: Will it side with its traditional supporters, the unions, or
Speaker 2: with its new base, the activist class, who are really
Speaker 2: the shots these days. There is a power struggle over
Speaker 2: a decision concerning the Tasmanian salmon industry. Labour's drawn out
Speaker 2: reviews may put an end to Tasmania's very profitable billion
Speaker 2: dollar plus salmon industry, putting hundreds of people out of work.
Speaker 2: And damaging labour's electoral chances in the state. Environmental Minister
Speaker 2: Tania Plibisek has come under pressure from the Australian Workers
Speaker 2: Union boss Paul Farrow, who has joined senior Tasmanian labor
Speaker 2: figures and asking her to put workers' livelihoods ahead of
Speaker 2: and I quote the exaggerated concerns of inner city activists.
Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss this more. Sky News contributor
Speaker 2: Gary Hardgrave, Gary, who's going to prevail here? This is
Speaker 2: really a sign of the political realignment we are seeing
Speaker 2: in so many areas in this country and in the US,
Speaker 2: in the UK where lay bar the Democrats. Labor in
Speaker 2: the UK are really abandoning their traditional supporters, the working class,
Speaker 2: the union workers, and preoccupied with the concerns of activists
Speaker 2: in the inner cities.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know I read I actually made this
Speaker 5: a speech in twenty oh seven in the House of rep.
Speaker 5: So to my mind, there's nothing new with this. Labor
Speaker 5: have walked away from the working class, the workers of Australia.
Speaker 1: A generation ago.
Speaker 5: I had an uncle who was a trade union official
Speaker 5: within the ETU, and he said to me, he said,
Speaker 5: you know where my politics lies.
Speaker 1: He said, but I can't stand them now.
Speaker 5: This was twenty odd years ago and he started voting
Speaker 5: Liberal because he just could not stand where labor had
Speaker 5: got to. So you know, put that, you know, in
Speaker 5: the back of your mind. They have forgotten about the
Speaker 5: working men and women of Australia a long time ago,
Speaker 5: and they're just going for the woke activists. And I
Speaker 5: don't get what the partner the mixed and tortured metaphor
Speaker 5: the beef about the salmon industry is rhio because this
Speaker 5: salmon industry has been.
Speaker 1: Built over the last couple of decades.
Speaker 5: I remember when I was a minister and the Howard government,
Speaker 5: we actually worked closely with the Tasmanian salmon industry to
Speaker 5: bring in experts from overseas, bringing skilled people who understood
Speaker 5: how to grow salmon, wild river salmon specialists to actually
Speaker 5: give the salmon that's grown in Tasmanian rivers and waters,
Speaker 5: you know, the real edge that they've now got. And
Speaker 5: that's such a I think there's much more than hundreds
Speaker 5: of people impacted by this. There's literally thousands of people
Speaker 5: that are going to be hurt by this kind of decision.
Speaker 5: And you know, on top of that, there's all this
Speaker 5: new infrastructure that's been built into Northern Tasmania, new port facilities,
Speaker 5: new airports, new new flights. I mean, all these things
Speaker 5: that are happening, and it all comes because there's activity.
Speaker 1: There and the AWU is right.
Speaker 5: But you know, seriously, the Labor Party, I'm more worried
Speaker 5: about the various vested interests of the elite friends of
Speaker 5: the people who you know, want to be offended on
Speaker 5: behalf of others. And by the way, the irony is
Speaker 5: they're all looking for salmon for Christmas because they don't
Speaker 5: eat meat.
Speaker 1: I want salmon on their Christmas plate.
Speaker 5: And here they are killing off homegrown, Australian grown, Tasmanian
Speaker 5: grown salmon.
Speaker 1: And what am I going to U is important stuff?
Speaker 5: I mean, it's just one of the many industries, which
Speaker 5: is why Tanya Plipasek is a walking, talking sovereign risk
Speaker 5: to investment in Australia.
Speaker 1: She's bad news.
Speaker 2: Wow one. They've got the whole other aspect. They're the
Speaker 2: leadership tensions that exist between her and Anthony alber Easy.
Speaker 2: There's a discussion for another day now. There was a
Speaker 2: Nastree piece in today's Harold's Son Award winning sports journalist
Speaker 2: Michael Warner has written about how woken hypocritical the AFL is.
Speaker 2: He writes of the AFL's endless virtue signaling, he said,
Speaker 2: persistent welcome to country ceremonies, pride rounds, pre match knee
Speaker 2: dropping and race baiting doesn't unite Australians. It creates a
Speaker 2: growing level of resentment, turning us against each other. He
Speaker 2: also wrote about how football's capture by the woke movement
Speaker 2: has really always wreaked of hypocrisy. He asks, the AFL
Speaker 2: is currently defending itself vigorously against a racism class action
Speaker 2: led by indigenous North Melbourne great Phil Cracker, but how
Speaker 2: does that correlate with its public undertakings to believe all
Speaker 2: First Nations players and Gary There is more hypocrisy from
Speaker 2: the AFL.
Speaker 3: The AFL commissioned chair Richard Goiter.
Speaker 2: You're knowing from his work at Quantas he pushed clubs
Speaker 2: to reduce their dependency on poker machine revenues. But at
Speaker 2: the same time he's overseen a boom in the AFL's
Speaker 2: lucrative relationship with sports betting agencies. The hypocrisy, the woke
Speaker 2: virtue signaling signaling, the incoherent, just grandstanding. It really is
Speaker 2: a turnoff for fans, But is it going to be
Speaker 2: enough to actually impact crowd numbers people watching the game.
Speaker 2: Because people love the sport, they're going to watch regardless.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And look, Reta, the tribalism of AFL is about
Speaker 5: the suburbs of Melbourne and the suburbs of Sydney, Adelaide,
Speaker 5: Perth and Brisbane.
Speaker 1: I mean it really is. That's the tribalism.
Speaker 5: And you know, I'm in Brisbane, the Brisbane lines of
Speaker 5: Fitzroy lines.
Speaker 1: I kind of understand it.
Speaker 5: I bonded with Harry Scullen when he was Harry Jenkins
Speaker 5: rather when he was a member for Scullen, and he
Speaker 5: was a mad Fitzroy supporter, so therefore he and I
Speaker 5: agreed on that if nothing else. He was on the
Speaker 5: left of labor and I wasn't, of course, But you know,
Speaker 5: I get it. I understand the tribalism and I understand
Speaker 5: enough of the history of it to think it's actually terrific.
Speaker 5: But you know what, everybody cheers, I'm not a mad
Speaker 5: made of mine loves Richmond and when Richmond out he backs.
Speaker 1: The Brisbane Lions.
Speaker 5: An other friend of mine loves Collin Wood and he's
Speaker 5: always looking for friends some years and other years he's
Speaker 5: got plenty of them. I mean, this is really what
Speaker 5: the AFL should be doing.
Speaker 1: But to find.
Speaker 5: Ways to divide people based around their personal, ethnic or
Speaker 5: religious circumstances, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's the Australian Football League.
Speaker 5: It should be about Australia, not the WFL, the woke
Speaker 5: Football League.
Speaker 1: But they've gone the wrong way.
Speaker 5: They want to go into division rather than to highlight
Speaker 5: how each person's diversity has common ground and the strength
Speaker 5: that come from that.
Speaker 1: It is wrong. It's crazy.
Speaker 5: All the welcomes to country are really doing a lot
Speaker 5: of people in I hear this grown on every quatter's
Speaker 5: flight when they welcome me to my own country, and
Speaker 5: I think people feel the same way at football matches.
Speaker 1: We want no politics in football. We just want football
Speaker 1: in football easy.
Speaker 2: The sport appears to have been captured, hijacked by the left,
Speaker 2: and I think you were seeing that increasingly at many
Speaker 2: clubs as well as at league headquarters. Now going to
Speaker 2: the US, there's a five hundred and twenty page report
Speaker 2: from the US House Select Subcommittee on the coronavirus pandemic,
Speaker 2: and this will shock you, Gary, But they've concluded that
Speaker 2: the COVID nineteen virus did indeed originate from the Wuhan
Speaker 2: Institute of Virology. Who would have thought that we knew
Speaker 2: it came from Wuhan, and that we knew there was
Speaker 2: a lab there that was investigating coronaviruses, And for many
Speaker 2: months we were told that any suggestion that those two
Speaker 2: things were connected was a wild conspiracy theory that was
Speaker 2: completely groundless and in fact racist.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And of course you know, we couldn't sell
Speaker 5: out one, and we couldn't sell our lobsters, we couldn't
Speaker 5: have any relationship with China when we actually said, maybe
Speaker 5: it is, as Donald Trump calls at the China virus.
Speaker 5: Look either way, they just should have rung up chari markson.
Speaker 5: She hadn't sort it out years ago. Whatever happened in
Speaker 5: Wuhan made all the sense in the world. But it's
Speaker 5: great that it's now official and the US House of
Speaker 5: Reps has built the cat. But you know, a lot
Speaker 5: of relationships, a lot of professional circumstances, and a lot
Speaker 5: of families.
Speaker 1: Were hurt by the overreach of what.
Speaker 5: Now seems to have been a completely man made plandemic.
Speaker 5: And you know these are things that back when I
Speaker 5: was hosting my own show on this network, I never
Speaker 5: said go and get a jab. I just said talk
Speaker 5: to doctor, because it struck me as the most sensible thing.
Speaker 5: But there are others who were just saying get the jab,
Speaker 5: get the jab, get the.
Speaker 1: Jab on all media.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think a lot of us got con to,
Speaker 5: a lot of people got con into believing the science,
Speaker 5: and now we find out the science might well have
Speaker 5: been contrived.
Speaker 1: It's great to have the confirmation.
Speaker 5: I just think there should be a full blown Royal
Speaker 5: Commission type inquiry into how we handled it here in
Speaker 5: Australia because a lot of politicians, some getting statues right
Speaker 5: now a relationship, hang their head in shame for the
Speaker 5: way they handled things during that time.
Speaker 2: Gary hard Grave, thanks for time tonight. Joining me now
Speaker 2: is best selling author and commentator Douglas Murray. Make sure
Speaker 2: you pick up his latest international best seller, The War
Speaker 2: on the West. Douglas, let's start with the presidential pardon.
Speaker 2: Hunter Biden has the broadest, most sweeping pardon imaginable, and
Speaker 2: it comes after the Biden White House insisted that no
Speaker 2: one was above the law and that a pardon was unthinkable.
Speaker 6: Well, as you say it, not only did they say
Speaker 6: that no one was above the law and say that
Speaker 6: because of Hunter Baden, and because they believe that all
Speaker 6: judicial processes in America must be absolutely followed, and that
Speaker 6: somebody whose name happens to be Iden is absolutely the
Speaker 6: same as with any other name. They also said it,
Speaker 6: of course, during the repeated attempts to prosecute Donald Trump
Speaker 6: for a whole range of issues in America. If you
Speaker 6: set a special prosecutor or a district attorney after somebody,
Speaker 6: they look for crime, and they tend to find one.
Speaker 6: They'll find some difference between what somebody said in one
Speaker 6: interview three years ago and what they said in yesterday's interview,
Speaker 6: and then they'll say are evading.
Speaker 1: Justice and so on.
Speaker 6: So this was this was a comment that Biden made
Speaker 6: about Trump. But now he says no one is above
Speaker 6: the law except for my son's certain other favorites. It's
Speaker 6: not surprising and on a human level, of course, you
Speaker 6: know his son has had untold difficulties that he has
Speaker 6: got through and it must be very disturbing for Joe
Speaker 6: Biden as a father. However, the pardon, of course doesn't
Speaker 6: just cover things that he's already been convicted of. It
Speaker 6: covers things that he could yet be convicted of in
Speaker 6: relation to the period that.
Speaker 1: His father was in office. And that is pretty unprecedented.
Speaker 6: So far as they know.
Speaker 2: Yes, and it starts in twenty fourteen when Brisma came
Speaker 2: on the scene for the Biden family that the entire
Speaker 2: thing is astonishing staying in America. What a difference a
Speaker 2: landslide election makes. It wasn't long ago that the Canadian
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was taking potshots at Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: But last week he was at Marra Lago, all smiles,
Speaker 2: dining with the President elect. Even went on X and
Speaker 2: tweeted a thank you to the president. But Douglas, we
Speaker 2: have since learned about what the pair talked about at
Speaker 2: the dinner table.
Speaker 7: It's about that Trump Trudeau dinner. From two people who
Speaker 7: were at the table, we're told that Wan Trudeau told
Speaker 7: President elect Trump that new tariffs would kill the Canadian
Speaker 7: I mean Trump jogged to him that if Canada can't
Speaker 7: survive without ripping off the US to the tune of
Speaker 7: one hundred billion dollars a year, then maybe Canada should
Speaker 7: become the fifty first state and Trudeau could become its governor.
Speaker 2: Governor Justin Trudeau, I love that Diplomacy through strength is
Speaker 2: straight from the Trump Playbooker Douglas, what do you make
Speaker 2: of Justin Trudeau's attempts to cozy up to Trump after
Speaker 2: taking veiled shots at him for several years now, Well.
Speaker 6: It's typical of the undiplomatic diplomacy which we've discussed before
Speaker 6: about other countries when it comes to Trump. You know,
Speaker 6: if there are two people running for office in your
Speaker 6: your nearest ally, it's very unwise to repeatedly lie about
Speaker 6: and make false claims about one of them. And that's
Speaker 6: whichever way.
Speaker 1: Around you'd like to play.
Speaker 6: It be very unwise for people like true Udeau or
Speaker 6: the Labor Party in Britain or in Australia anywhere else
Speaker 6: to have insulted one of the other candidates in the election.
Speaker 6: As it happened, the one they chose to insult is
Speaker 6: the one that happens to have won. So it's rather
Speaker 6: delicious watching, rather more delicious even than dinner, I'm sure
Speaker 6: of watching the bimbo Trudeau trying to now make up
Speaker 6: for his undiplomatic diplomacy. As for being governor, of Canada
Speaker 6: always says, I mean, Justin Trudeau has been such a
Speaker 6: hideous Prime Minister of Canada. I wouldn't ask him to
Speaker 6: be governor of anything. I would I mean, other than
Speaker 6: going back to drama teaching. I'm just I really pity
Speaker 6: his students, even on that. I don't know what Trudeau
Speaker 6: is good for. He's a narcissistic little playboy who has
Speaker 6: been vastly over promoted above his competency and the only
Speaker 6: person doesn't seem to realize it is him. But I mean,
Speaker 6: the Canadian public have a great opportunity quite soon to
Speaker 6: wave farewell or to steal the line, to turn the
Speaker 6: page in Canada.
Speaker 2: Turn the page. Yes, I love your line about Justin Trudeau.
Speaker 2: I think he called him once the Prince of performative caring,
Speaker 2: and I think that he sums him up beautifully. And
Speaker 2: if the polls are right, his days are numbers. I
Speaker 2: don't think Donald Trump needs to worry too much about
Speaker 2: Tariff's discussions with Justin because he's on the way out.
Speaker 2: Sticking with Donald Trump, what do you make of the
Speaker 2: President Alex's threats against her mask warning he will unleash
Speaker 2: hell in the Middle East if the October seven, hostages
Speaker 2: held by her Mass are not released before inauguration, which
Speaker 2: is January twenty. Is that something that's going to be effective.
Speaker 2: You've spent a great deal of time in the Middle East,
Speaker 2: and the last year is warning like this is going
Speaker 2: to have any sort of impact.
Speaker 6: I think, so, I hope so. I actually as it
Speaker 6: happens with some of the hostage families yesterday again and
Speaker 6: of course they say that you know that they want
Speaker 6: the release yesterday. You know they want it yesterday, not tomorrow,
Speaker 6: not on January twentieth or any other time. And the
Speaker 6: fact is is that the pressure that Donald Trump threatens
Speaker 6: to bring can be brought, and it can be brought
Speaker 6: not just against Hamas, but it should be brought against
Speaker 6: all of the governments in the region who have been
Speaker 6: backing and arming and training Hamaz. The Mullahs in Tehran
Speaker 6: should feel the full force of American power as they
Speaker 6: have Israeli power. Hezbollah, the government in Katar, the corrupt
Speaker 6: Hamas supporting Hamas owning a government of Kata, the government
Speaker 6: of turk which is now hosting more of the Hamaz
Speaker 6: leaders than it did a few weeks ago. These governments
Speaker 6: should really feel that force and that pressure. And it
Speaker 6: can be diplomatic, it can be economic, or it can
Speaker 6: be something else, but a very clear message needs to
Speaker 6: be sent. Hamas started this war by murdering, slaughtering, and
Speaker 6: kidnapping Israelis. These hostages should have been released on eighth
Speaker 6: of October, and if they had been twenty twenty three,
Speaker 6: and if they had been, this war could have been avoided.
Speaker 6: But they started the war. And the only person that
Speaker 6: can really end the war is them by handing back
Speaker 6: the hostages and alongside it making it clear that this
Speaker 6: will never happen again. This is in their power, and
Speaker 6: only some of the dimmer bits of the international media
Speaker 6: and parts of the Biden administration ever thought otherwise. The
Speaker 6: hostages are not being held by Benjamin Attanna who they
Speaker 6: are being held by Hamat. Hamaz has to release some,
Speaker 6: It has to release them.
Speaker 2: Now, now to France, and after extensive damage, the magnificent
Speaker 2: Notre Dame will be formally reopened by French President Emmanuel mccron,
Speaker 2: but Douglas, Pope Francis will not be there. He will
Speaker 2: not be at the December seventh reopening, in a move
Speaker 2: that has upset many, including a number of French bishops.
Speaker 2: What do you make of this decision? You'd think the
Speaker 2: Pope could surely change his plans to attend the reopening
Speaker 2: of such a significant cathedral.
Speaker 1: It is surprising.
Speaker 6: I don't know. Maybe it's health reasons, maybe it's something else.
Speaker 6: But when you mentioned significance of not Ha Dame, I
Speaker 6: mean I think that I hope, I hope that the
Speaker 6: reopening really does remain the French and other publics of
Speaker 6: what was almost lost there. Everybody remembers those horrific photos
Speaker 6: of Notre Dame on fire and the fear that I
Speaker 6: think any civilized person has that we could have lost
Speaker 6: this great tribute to faith and more. And sometimes when
Speaker 6: you come very close to losing something like that, it
Speaker 6: should make you love it and think about it more.
Speaker 6: And I hope the French and other publics do.
Speaker 1: It's not just.
Speaker 6: That Notre Dame is a stunning work of architecture, it's
Speaker 6: also a cathedral of faith and we'll see, but maybe
Speaker 6: the public and the reopening of this can remind people
Speaker 6: of that. I certainly hope that Emmanuel Macron and others
Speaker 6: in the French government don't simply regard this as being
Speaker 6: a fine restoration of a mere piece of French history.
Speaker 6: It's far more than that.
Speaker 2: Absolutely culturally so significant the pope as a prior engagement,
Speaker 2: so he is expected elsewhere. But I just would have
Speaker 2: thought this was significant enough to change those plans. But
Speaker 2: before you go, I want to play you a little
Speaker 2: clip from California governor and possible future Democrat presidential candidate
Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom. He's incredibly boasting about California's recording tackling homelessness.
Speaker 8: We have a national model.
Speaker 5: What Proposition one did is it reinforced that model, provided
Speaker 5: more resources to advance that model, and we're very excited
Speaker 5: to get those dollars to work.
Speaker 2: Oh goodness me. The Democrats don't have a great deal
Speaker 2: of talent. So he is still up there as a
Speaker 2: prime candidate to be the future presidential candidate. And he's
Speaker 2: boasting there about California's record, despite the fact that the
Speaker 2: state is responsible for one in two unsheltered people in
Speaker 2: all of America, and they had this enormous issue Douglas
Speaker 2: with homelessness, with crime, with the list drug abuse. Despite
Speaker 2: huge resources being devoted to tackling these issues, they're spending
Speaker 2: around forty seven thousand dollars a year per homeless person.
Speaker 2: And yet the problem doesn't seem to be diminishing.
Speaker 6: No, because idiots like Gavin Newsom have done a number
Speaker 6: of things in recent years. They have incentivized illegal migration,
Speaker 6: they have incentivized people moving into their state. They have
Speaker 6: made sure to punish everyone who is law abiding, people
Speaker 6: like shop owners who don't like fecies on the human
Speaker 6: fecies on the pavement outside their stores. They've made sure
Speaker 6: to punish all legal homeowners in California, whereby you can
Speaker 6: get an illegal encampment on an illegal tent or homeless
Speaker 6: throwing up of a shelter, temporary shelter some on somebody
Speaker 6: else's property, and there's nothing that the people can do
Speaker 6: about it. There's nothing that the law of iiding hard
Speaker 6: working taxpayer that we always hear about is actually allowed
Speaker 6: to do when it comes to dealing with and often illegal,
Speaker 6: non tax paying, law breaking person who's squatting. And I'm
Speaker 6: afraid Governor Newsom created that situation. He created it in
Speaker 6: San Francisco, he created it across California.
Speaker 1: This is his fault. So when he starts to bose, he's.
Speaker 6: Getting to work and putting tax dollars to work. First
Speaker 6: of all, good luck on the tax dollars thing, because
Speaker 6: he's been superbt chasing talent and high neworth individuals out
Speaker 6: of his state. But secondly, I mean, he's just simply
Speaker 6: not fit to do this because he made the problem.
Speaker 6: And if he wanted to stop the problem, he could
Speaker 6: stop the sanctuary city's nonsense, he could stop the rewarding
Speaker 6: of illegal behavior.
Speaker 1: He could do all of that, but he doesn't.
Speaker 6: So these are totally totally hollow words. I'm afraid I
Speaker 6: used the word bimbo about the Canadian Prime minister earlier,
Speaker 6: but Gavin Newsom is the same mole. He is a
Speaker 6: narcissistic little playboy who has never solved a real problem.
Speaker 6: He wants to prem for the cameras, but he has
Speaker 6: done so much to destroy the state he pretends to govern.
Speaker 2: He is certainly very good at training, but you can't
Speaker 2: deny the fact that he is attractive and charismatic means
Speaker 2: something to me. He is the front runner for the Democrats.
Speaker 2: Do you think there's anybody else who stands out so
Speaker 2: there saying that Kamala Harris wants to run again in
Speaker 2: four years?
Speaker 3: God forbid?
Speaker 2: Can you see that happening.
Speaker 6: I hadn't heard that rumor, Rita. I would have thought
Speaker 6: that if Kamela wants to run again, even the Democrats
Speaker 6: have enough survival instinct to be able to say didn't
Speaker 6: work out so well last time.
Speaker 2: I think you're right. After a billion dollars being squandered
Speaker 2: in record time, I think her chances are very, very small. Indeed,
Speaker 2: Douglas Murray, thank you so much for your time this evening.
Speaker 1: So pleasures always. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Still to come. Left is losing it? Plus, who are
Speaker 2: the latest Democrats to embrace Trump's border mandate? Kosher Gator
Speaker 2: joins me next, welcome back. Now it's time for lefties
Speaker 2: losing it. Remember when Trump tried to get the esteemed
Speaker 2: journalists of sixty minutes to actually do their job and
Speaker 2: cover the Hunter Biden laptop story in the lead up
Speaker 2: to the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 9: Sixty minutes and we can't put on things we can't
Speaker 9: find it.
Speaker 8: On because it's bad for Biden.
Speaker 9: We can't put things we can't very I don't have.
Speaker 10: To discredit you and what you've discredited yourself to lessly.
Speaker 11: You've discredited yourself when you say that you're not going
Speaker 11: to cover Biden. You're gonna ask him what flavor ice
Speaker 11: cream he has? Okay, instead of why did Hunter get
Speaker 11: three and a half million dollars from Moscow? Instead of
Speaker 11: why is an energy company paying your son one hundred
Speaker 11: and eighty three thousand dollars a month?
Speaker 12: Or whatever?
Speaker 10: That bay and he has no experience and energy.
Speaker 11: You know, you discredit yourself. I don't have to discrible.
Speaker 9: So this story about on in his laptop some repair
Speaker 9: shot founded the sources Steve Bannon and Juliani.
Speaker 2: The source is Steve Bannon and Rudy Juliani. Can you
Speaker 2: believe that nonsense? And she wasn't done discrediting herself yet
Speaker 2: she's supported to be the very best among the very best,
Speaker 2: the cream of the crop. Can you see why trust
Speaker 2: in the media is at record lows.
Speaker 9: And you're making this one of the hardest, most important
Speaker 9: issues in your house.
Speaker 10: It's a very important issue to find out whether or
Speaker 10: not a man's corrupt, who's running for president, who's accepted
Speaker 10: money from China and from Ukraine and from Russia.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's an important and.
Speaker 11: It's incredible the way you can try and say this
Speaker 11: and sit there and look in the eye and said
Speaker 11: he accepted money his family from Russia, from Ukraine, from
Speaker 11: China and from other places.
Speaker 10: His brother, who didn't have experience, became a big builder.
Speaker 11: In Iraq without experience. Take a look at what's going on, Leslie,
Speaker 11: and then you say out that shouldn't be discussed. I'm saying,
Speaker 11: it's the biggest scandal out there, Leslie, and you don't.
Speaker 2: Cover it because it can't be I want to talk.
Speaker 11: About insignificant things. I'm telling you these it can be verified.
Speaker 10: Excuse me, they found the laptop, Leslie, Leslie, what can
Speaker 10: be verified?
Speaker 2: The latter As you saw from the captions there, it
Speaker 2: wasn't unverified. It wasn't a fake story. It was very
Speaker 2: much real and implicated not just Hunter Biden, but Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: The New York posted a series of bombshell stories on
Speaker 2: it well before that little interaction. And let's not forget
Speaker 2: the media, including sixty Minutes sixty minutes, for four years
Speaker 2: pushed completely unverified Russian collusion hoax stories, but they chose
Speaker 2: not to cover that crucial story in the lead up
Speaker 2: to the twenty twenty election. I never forget they impeached
Speaker 2: Donald Trump for wanting to investigate the very crimes. Joe
Speaker 2: Biden just pardoned his son. For now, let's go to CNN.
Speaker 2: They're still defending the president. Apparently Trump is going to
Speaker 2: go around and shoot everybody. And if Biden didn't pardon
Speaker 2: his son, what would happen next?
Speaker 11: What?
Speaker 12: You can defend it, But wasn't it a lie that
Speaker 12: he was not going to pardon.
Speaker 13: No.
Speaker 4: I believe the circumstances have changed. I think that we
Speaker 4: now have a president coming into office who's talking about
Speaker 4: firing squads, who's talking about running people around the country
Speaker 4: and making sure that everyone who's his enemy is going
Speaker 4: to be.
Speaker 2: Punished, firing squads. Really, these people are nuts, But not
Speaker 2: to be outdone, the ladies of the view Led White,
Speaker 2: Whoopee Goldberg.
Speaker 3: Have decided that it is Donald.
Speaker 2: Trump's fault that Biden lied and pardoned his son. Try
Speaker 2: to keep up with this logic. If you can call
Speaker 2: it that.
Speaker 12: I'd stop one calling it alive. Well, here's what it says.
Speaker 12: It's a president for all of us to open our
Speaker 12: eyes because we've elected someone who is in a similar situation,
Speaker 12: who didn't have a drug problem, who knew what he
Speaker 12: was doing, who clearly stood and said I can do this,
Speaker 12: and he did so.
Speaker 8: I think.
Speaker 12: For many, many reasons, this is very different than any
Speaker 12: other situation that we have average out.
Speaker 2: Now we've got John Stuart, another lefty losing it, But
Speaker 2: at least he did try to inject a little humor
Speaker 2: into proceedings. Sure, as usual with John Stuart, he's years
Speaker 2: late to the party. He said nothing about this Biden
Speaker 2: family and their dodgy business dealings when it actually mattered.
Speaker 2: But now, in the final weeks of Biden's lame duck presidency,
Speaker 2: he's bravely cracking jokes.
Speaker 14: Democrats have a moral perch from which they can judge
Speaker 14: without shame, hypocrisy, or nuance.
Speaker 2: Everything new President Biden has issued a pardon for his son,
Speaker 2: Hunter Biden lother we was, you know what. It may
Speaker 2: be a little gut list to finally be showing some
Speaker 2: interest in the Hunter Biden laptop story and what it
Speaker 2: all means, But at least Stuart is funny here.
Speaker 8: I'm sure the.
Speaker 14: Pardon is a narrowly written, precisely drawn farewell note of
Speaker 14: compassion for a loved one.
Speaker 15: The pardon sweeping covering offenses that Hunter Biden quote has committed,
Speaker 15: or may have committed, or taken part in over the
Speaker 15: past eleven years.
Speaker 8: Eleven years is a very specific.
Speaker 1: And not rounded amount of time.
Speaker 14: So Hunter, I'll give you a pardon a few years,
Speaker 14: five years, ten years, it needs to be eleven.
Speaker 2: Joining me now is Scott News contributor Kosher Gaeta Kosher.
Speaker 2: Let's start in New York City where the mayor they're Democrat,
Speaker 2: Mayor Eric Adams is now signing with Donald Trump on
Speaker 2: the illegal immigration issue. You can't get any clear than
Speaker 2: this message.
Speaker 16: Those who are here committing crimes, robbery, shoeing at police officers,
Speaker 16: raping innocent people have been a harm to our country.
Speaker 16: I want to sit down and hear the plan on
Speaker 16: how we're going to address them. Those are the people
Speaker 16: I am talking about, and I would love to sit
Speaker 16: down with the borders are and hear his thoughts on
Speaker 16: how we're going to address those who are harming our citizens.
Speaker 2: Kosher. This comes after the New York Governor Kathy Hokell
Speaker 2: made similar remarks. It seems like they've appreciating now that
Speaker 2: Trump's mandate is overwhelming. This is what people even in
Speaker 2: blue state, Blue city New York want.
Speaker 13: That's quite something. We also have those mayors that are
Speaker 13: seeing they'll go to l before they ever cooperate with them.
Speaker 13: So I think leftiead a little bit scattered and they're
Speaker 13: figuring it out. But in his case, between immigration even spending,
Speaker 13: he came out and said something positive about Doge and
Speaker 13: Musk recently crime. He really does sound like a Trump
Speaker 13: surrogate at this point. And who knows, you know, maybe
Speaker 13: it's self preservation because the Biden DOJ indicted him for
Speaker 13: those bridary corruption charges, and maybe he's figuring out which
Speaker 13: side his bread is not buttered on and he's looking
Speaker 13: at that. Maybe it's political expediency because it's so clear,
Speaker 13: as you say, where the country's pulses on these issues
Speaker 13: and where the popular sentiment is. Or maybe he is
Speaker 13: one of those. You know, twenty percent of black men
Speaker 13: came out and supported Trump. Maybe he's one of them.
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because they are making that distinction. They're
Speaker 2: saying illegal immigrants who commit a crime. Kathy Hokle said
Speaker 2: she'll pick up the phone herself and call Ice and
Speaker 2: have them deported. So they are not making that blanket
Speaker 2: statement that if you hear illegally, we're going to back
Speaker 2: you being deported. But it's still the still lank, which
Speaker 2: we're hearing you wouldn't have heard from Democrats a few
Speaker 2: years ago, for sure, particularly in New York. Now, the
Speaker 2: New York Post ran a story on Scott presslife. We
Speaker 2: don't know who he is. He played a crucial role
Speaker 2: in flipping Pennsylvania, the Keystone state, the crucial swing state.
Speaker 2: He's got an organization called Early Vote Action that he
Speaker 2: founded after the twenty twenty two red wave never came
Speaker 2: about the midterms.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 2: Let's hear how he handles the media.
Speaker 3: I noticed that when you urge people to action, you
Speaker 3: often include.
Speaker 1: The word peacefully.
Speaker 3: Is that to avoid another G and six type incident?
Speaker 17: With all your respect, It's to avoid people like you
Speaker 17: guys saying that I'm anything. But my motto is to
Speaker 17: just be super cute, have my data and facts, treat
Speaker 17: everyone with love and respect. And as you can see,
Speaker 17: an army of people will follow him.
Speaker 2: Super cute with data and facts. He's not the stereotypical
Speaker 2: GOP operative, but his ground game what he has managed
Speaker 2: to do in Pennsylvania really, if the Republicans are serious,
Speaker 2: they should be replicating that across the country. He has
Speaker 2: just been hugely effective, and it shows you that even
Speaker 2: in a country where so much money is involved in politics,
Speaker 2: you can have a campaign like that that it's hugely
Speaker 2: impactful and is a genuine people led campaign.
Speaker 13: So he emerged in this election as one of the
Speaker 13: field generals of the ground game apparatus that Republicans always
Speaker 13: lagged Democrats in, alongside Charlie Kirk and the Turning Point
Speaker 13: Gang as well as others like Chris Maloney and even
Speaker 13: Elon Musk, was doing a lot in the last forty
Speaker 13: five days to turn out the vote. And he, Scott Pressler,
Speaker 13: has had this laser focus, a very clearly identified, tangible
Speaker 13: goal that he's going to out register and out turnout
Speaker 13: vote Democrats in Pennsylvania, which Trump won and then lost
Speaker 13: by razor thin margins. And he just identified with data,
Speaker 13: you know, eighty thousand hunters that had not voted in
Speaker 13: the last four election but are primed to be Trump supporters,
Speaker 13: something like one hundred and twenty thousand truckers, the Amish.
Speaker 2: This was really funny like.
Speaker 13: And he targeted them and figured out a way to
Speaker 13: make it easy for them, you know, to vote in
Speaker 13: a way that works with their norms and customs and
Speaker 13: all of that. And he helped flip it, and now
Speaker 13: he has his site set apparently on New Jersey and
Speaker 13: other states as well. So it's really interesting where finally
Speaker 13: the Republican appright. It's not because of the RNC, but
Speaker 13: because of grassroots people like Scott Pressler have stepped up
Speaker 13: their ground game that was just so lacking for so long.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I know the Republican base absolutely adore him,
Speaker 2: and it challenges again that whole notion that they're not
Speaker 2: inclusive of people with different backgrounds and sexualities and whatever
Speaker 2: identity group they belong in. As long as you believe
Speaker 2: in the cause, you're in the family.
Speaker 13: Absolutely, and his communication skills and the factory looks like
Speaker 13: fabio helps.
Speaker 2: Now there are rumors that the Washington Commanders Commanders What
Speaker 2: a Terrible Name might be bringing back their Redskins Monica
Speaker 2: after changing their name and logo in part due to
Speaker 2: that whole BLM movement the rights that we saw. What
Speaker 2: else can you tell us about this potential comeback of swords.
Speaker 2: It's hilarious because the survey showed that American Indians Native
Speaker 2: Americans did not care or were not offended by this
Speaker 2: Red Skins Moniker. It was the usual suspects the affluent
Speaker 2: white left leaning types who were offended on their behalf.
Speaker 13: So easily offended, too much time on their hands, and
Speaker 13: then they just glomb on to this cancel culture mob
Speaker 13: that had taken over, and that was, as you mentioned,
Speaker 13: stemmed out of BLM. And then you go off and
Speaker 13: attack Native American moniker and logo, and in fact the opposite.
Speaker 13: Some people in the Native American community were actually upset
Speaker 13: with it because they see that it was actually very
Speaker 13: nice and you're sort of peating homage or a tribute
Speaker 13: to this patriarch that the character depicted and that logo,
Speaker 13: and you by taking it away, you're actually, you know,
Speaker 13: being disrespectful. So nothing is concrete yet. It's still discussions underwear.
Speaker 13: But I do wonder if post the election we see
Speaker 13: the shift now and where it's more acceptable again and
Speaker 13: that walk pendulum funk swung too hard and maybe it's
Speaker 13: coming back. Maybe this is a case in point.
Speaker 2: I can imagine merchandise sales won't be as good long
Speaker 2: term with commanders as opposed to red skins. I mean
Speaker 2: that they had a very iconic brand there that they destroyed.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Joe Biden. He may be a lay
Speaker 2: duck president, but as the Wall Street Journal warns, he
Speaker 2: still possesses great power. He is the leader of the
Speaker 2: free world, and he's using that power to possibly cause
Speaker 2: a great deal of damage to the US, to make
Speaker 2: life hard for his successor, Donald Trump. And the Journal's
Speaker 2: Tevy Troy writes, Joe Biden has only seven weeks left
Speaker 2: in but is still pushing his agenda. His Justice Department
Speaker 2: and Federal Trade Commission continue to prevent mergers. His State
Speaker 2: Department is imposing sanctions on Israeli citizens. He's still nominating
Speaker 2: judges for lifetime appointments. I think that's the one that's
Speaker 2: worrying a lot of people. And he has just pardoned
Speaker 2: his son Hunter for a host of misdeeds. How worried
Speaker 2: should we be about these last weeks? How much damage
Speaker 2: could he do?
Speaker 13: He does hold the power of the most powerful office
Speaker 13: in the land until high noon on January twentieth, and
Speaker 13: different presidents have taken different approaches. Many throughout history have
Speaker 13: used that power till the very last minute, and he
Speaker 13: is clearly taking that approach. Look some of them, you
Speaker 13: know where he's waving the want of executive orders. Those
Speaker 13: can be reversed fairly easily, just like they're put in.
Speaker 13: But others, like judicial appointments, that is a worry because
Speaker 13: once appointed, especially if it's a young judge, they're going
Speaker 13: to be on the bench for thirty forty years. Things
Speaker 13: like he's putting in some protections in place for unionized
Speaker 13: labor with federal employees, that's going to directly make it
Speaker 13: difficult for Trump's policy agenda on cutting the federal government
Speaker 13: to come into police and maybe you know the deals
Speaker 13: that he's doing, sending more and more EAD to Ukraine
Speaker 13: and everything else. Just mix the picture of messire for Trump.
Speaker 13: But it's seven weeks and I think the countdown clocks
Speaker 13: are getting louder.
Speaker 2: Let's just hope there's no more judicial appointments. Because they're
Speaker 2: there for life. They can have a lasting impact. Now
Speaker 2: we talked about this last night. Trump's pick for the
Speaker 2: Drug Enforcement Administrator, the sheriff of Hillsborough County, Chad Kronister.
Speaker 2: Now we drawn his name from consideration after he's arrest
Speaker 2: of a Florida pasta for holding services during COVID resurface
Speaker 2: and generated significant backlash amongst Trump supporters. I discussed this
Speaker 2: with Josh Hammer last night, I said, this is Trump's
Speaker 2: first mistake since winning the election, and I'm glad to
Speaker 2: see that that mistake has so far resolved himself. I'm
Speaker 2: sure there will be plenty of other mistakes, but this
Speaker 2: one was really one that concerned a lot of Trump supporters,
Speaker 2: and it was suggested by his ag Pam Bondi.
Speaker 13: Which is interesting because Pambondi, of course replaced the only
Speaker 13: other person who withdrew, But in matt Gets's case, he
Speaker 13: withdrew because there were enemies of Maga on the other
Speaker 13: side who you thought he wouldn't get over the line,
Speaker 13: versus this one with drew because.
Speaker 2: The base was very upset with what he did.
Speaker 13: And it is interesting because so DEA is important drug
Speaker 13: enforcement agency, and the whole Fuentanel crisis, which is eateed
Speaker 13: and abatted by the legal immigration problem, is a key
Speaker 13: part of signatory issue of what Trump wants to remedy.
Speaker 2: So it needs to be a very serious person.
Speaker 13: And maybe he would have been good at that, maybe not,
Speaker 13: But just what he did with arresting that pastor is
Speaker 13: just a bridge too far, and I think once you've
Speaker 13: done that, there's no coming back.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't that one isolated incident. It was other
Speaker 2: things you during the COVID era and then also the
Speaker 2: softly softly approached he took to BLM writers and not
Speaker 2: enforcing COVID restrictions against them. So yeah, he's got some Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know if he could ever remedy the the
Speaker 2: not the problem. There is little forgiving or forgetting when
Speaker 2: it comes to that sort of area. Before you go,
Speaker 2: this is now hilarious. Donald Trump hasn't posted this picture
Speaker 2: on Instagram of him. It's a photoshoped image obviously presiding
Speaker 2: over a rocky mountain range in Canada with the Canadian
Speaker 2: flag flying proudly, following his dinner with Justin Trudeau. Of course,
Speaker 2: it has since emerged that he suggests that perhaps Canada
Speaker 2: can become the fifty first state of the US and
Speaker 2: Trudeau could be its governor. If they can't handle some tariffs,
Speaker 2: if they can impose tariffs but they can't handle tariffs
Speaker 2: the other way, then perhaps really they're not fit to
Speaker 2: be a country. That was an interesting discussion.
Speaker 13: It certainly was a just juxtaposed, you know, the might
Speaker 13: of the US economy and the country next to Canada,
Speaker 13: which is an ally very similar heritage and all that,
Speaker 13: but you can sort of see where the mightiness is
Speaker 13: and then just you put the leaders Trump versus Trudeau,
Speaker 13: you can also see the balance and might And it's funny.
Speaker 13: This actually harkens back to the whole Greenland discussion in
Speaker 13: the last term where he was talking about, oh, you know,
Speaker 13: could we buy Greenland? Could be next Greenland in humor
Speaker 13: they could afford to do it, or past an euro
Speaker 13: where people take over countries, but you know, it's a
Speaker 13: very resource rich place in America could do it. And
Speaker 13: he had photoshopped an image of Trump Tower in Greenland
Speaker 13: somewhere and this is sort of a page right out.
Speaker 2: Of that playbook. Absolutely, thanks for your time tonight, I
Speaker 2: can't do Still to come, we'll look at some of
Speaker 2: the best and worst Christmas ads with advertising guru Richard Rowsmith.
Speaker 2: Welcome back. Well, it's that time of the year. The
Speaker 2: corporates are putting out their Christmas ads for twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four in summer better than others. Joining me now to
Speaker 2: review some of the best and worst Christmas ads is
Speaker 2: advertising expert Richard Ralph Smith, the co founder of DPR
Speaker 2: and Co Advertising. Before we get into the Christmas ads,
Speaker 2: though I want to play you because we've talked about
Speaker 2: this next ad of this program, but I haven't had
Speaker 2: an advertising expert on so perhaps you can defend it
Speaker 2: because everyone else I've showed it to hates it. This
Speaker 2: is the new ad.
Speaker 3: For car brand Jaguar. What is that?
Speaker 1: Richard?
Speaker 2: Please defend your industry. Look, that is an abomination. There's
Speaker 2: no car, there's no Jaguar. There's nothing actually innovitive or
Speaker 2: exciting or new.
Speaker 8: It's yeah, I know.
Speaker 18: Look, I wish I could defend it, but I can't.
Speaker 18: I can defend the industry, but I cannot defend it.
Speaker 8: Is just appalling.
Speaker 18: And I've never had so many people ask me about
Speaker 18: half the people ask me about it wonder if.
Speaker 8: It's real or not. And it's self parodying. It's pretentious,
Speaker 8: it's stupid.
Speaker 18: It's everything that a brand ought not do, particularly when
Speaker 18: they're trying to revitalize themselves like Jaguara. You know, when
Speaker 18: you've got a storied British brand like Jaguar, and let's
Speaker 18: face it, pretty tired and stale as.
Speaker 8: A brand, what you do is you go back to
Speaker 8: what was true.
Speaker 18: And great about the brand in the first place and
Speaker 18: find a way to make that new and fresh, you know,
Speaker 18: just trash the whole thing altogether, which is what they done.
Speaker 2: They have, they have, and I just can't imagine who
Speaker 2: they're going to be appealing to with that nonsense. Now
Speaker 2: let's look at a ad closer to home. This is
Speaker 2: what Coals have put together for the Christmas period.
Speaker 1: I've heard the elves.
Speaker 8: Have been helping out.
Speaker 6: They know just where to find juicy Christmas mangoes.
Speaker 5: Not here, not here, made it welcome to Manbloo.
Speaker 10: They know where to hand picked the season's most magical cherries,
Speaker 10: and they know where to find Ozzie Banana prawn's out
Speaker 10: at sea.
Speaker 2: Now, the production value is delightful, it's inoffensive. There's nothing
Speaker 2: there that's going to say I'm not going to shop
Speaker 2: at Coals. But really, is it?
Speaker 3: Is it a good ad?
Speaker 2: Is it going to have people opt for Coals as
Speaker 2: opposed to woolies for example.
Speaker 18: Well, there are other reasons to for coals at the
Speaker 18: moment to woolies.
Speaker 8: But I think you're right. It's an offensive. It's sweet,
Speaker 8: but it's fairly forgettable.
Speaker 18: And if you look at what the great brands overseas
Speaker 18: like John Lewis do and compare that to what this
Speaker 18: brand has done in Australia.
Speaker 8: It just feels very very safe.
Speaker 18: They've made the mistake of shoving in a whole bunch
Speaker 18: of product mandatories in there at the expense of making
Speaker 18: a really great emotional connection, really something really heartwarming, which
Speaker 18: is what you want at Christmas time.
Speaker 2: I do wonder whether these brands are scared to actually
Speaker 2: have a Christmas message, a Christmas ad, because Christmas is
Speaker 2: almost offensive to some inner city activist type, so they
Speaker 2: do stuff like this which is kind of more generic.
Speaker 18: Yeah, there is a little bit of that, and I
Speaker 18: think there's just a little bit of sort of timidity.
Speaker 8: Around what they want to do.
Speaker 18: They don't feel brave enough just to make a big
Speaker 18: brand statement and forget about saying five different things about
Speaker 18: our products and our fresh food. So yeah, they missed
Speaker 18: the mark on a couple of levels.
Speaker 8: But it's okay. The kids will like it. It's sweet
Speaker 8: and as you say, inoffensive.
Speaker 2: Now let's have a look at Coke massive brand and
Speaker 2: they've put together a AI generated at I'm not sure
Speaker 2: what I think of that one. I don't love or hated.
Speaker 1: What are your well, there's a bit.
Speaker 2: Of opinions on that.
Speaker 8: There's a bit of a story behind that one for
Speaker 8: a start.
Speaker 18: So generative AI has been the biggest story in advertising
Speaker 18: over the last couple of years, and this campaign in
Speaker 18: the US has become a bit of a lightning rod
Speaker 18: for everything that worries people about generative AI in the
Speaker 18: creative sphere. So it's a tribute to a campaign that
Speaker 18: Coke did in nineteen ninety five, very very popular campaign.
Speaker 18: It's almost a remake of it, but that campaign, and
Speaker 18: it was much loved by Americans over a number of years.
Speaker 18: But that campaign used real actors, real truck drivers, a director,
Speaker 18: and a massive crew and a whole bunch of post
Speaker 18: production people, so lots and lots of creative people collaborating
Speaker 18: and making something really quite wonderful. By contrast, this one
Speaker 18: here is someone typing prompts into a computer and it's
Speaker 18: a triumph of technology over humans, and they're actually facing
Speaker 18: quite a big backlash over that in the use.
Speaker 2: I do wonder though, whether the consumer can obviously those
Speaker 2: in the industry no, that's AI, but whether the regular
Speaker 2: consumer would recognize that. I don't think I would. I
Speaker 2: don't think I'm paying close enough attention to know that
Speaker 2: AD is entirely generated by AI.
Speaker 18: I think in the US because the first campaign was
Speaker 18: so famous and it ran over many many years, they
Speaker 18: saw that as a tribute.
Speaker 8: And there's been a lot of social.
Speaker 18: Media about this all being AI generated as well, so
Speaker 18: it's sort of bubbling up into the surface.
Speaker 2: Now for the industry, is AI a godsend? Is it
Speaker 2: going to revitalize and give you fresh ideas or is
Speaker 2: it going to see job loss?
Speaker 18: Well, you know, as an advertising person, I'm meant to
Speaker 18: always say let's embrace the latest, the greatest, the best
Speaker 18: and everything.
Speaker 8: And everyone on their.
Speaker 18: LinkedIn is saying how up to date they are on
Speaker 18: the bleeding edge of AI. But I've got to tell you,
Speaker 18: look from a creative from a creative person's point of view,
Speaker 18: I don't like it.
Speaker 8: It worries me.
Speaker 18: I feel about all the crafts people that we've worked
Speaker 18: with over.
Speaker 8: So many years.
Speaker 18: They're going to be the sort of things together and
Speaker 18: you know, I think it will replace people eventually, but
Speaker 18: it makes us more efficient and all of those sort
Speaker 18: of things. I just don't know if efficiency is the
Speaker 18: highest goal we should be aiming for.
Speaker 2: Richard Ralswick, thank you so much for your time and
Speaker 2: that's it from May. I'll see you tomorrow at eleven up.
Speaker 2: Next is Newsnight,