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Speaker 1: On scoring with Zas Squadia. This is the Reader Panehy Show.

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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Reader Panehy Show. Coming

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Speaker 2: up tonight, a big program for you. The Great Douglas

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Speaker 2: Murray joins me shortly and he's in fine form, covering

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Speaker 2: everything from Trump's sobering message to Justin Trudeau to the

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Speaker 2: President Elect's piece through Strength strategy. Also joining me tonight,

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Speaker 2: Gary Hartgrave and Kosha.

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Speaker 3: Gaida and later in the hour while we'll.

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Speaker 2: Look at some of the best and worst Christmas ads

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Speaker 2: with advertising Guru Richard Ralph Smith and left He's Losing

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Speaker 2: It features well more CNN hysteria.

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Speaker 4: Now have a president coming into office, who's talking about

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Speaker 4: firing squads, who's talking about running people around the country.

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Speaker 2: But first, Labor is now faced with a critical choice.

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Speaker 2: Will it side with its traditional supporters, the unions, or

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Speaker 2: with its new base, the activist class, who are really

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Speaker 2: the shots these days. There is a power struggle over

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Speaker 2: a decision concerning the Tasmanian salmon industry. Labour's drawn out

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Speaker 2: reviews may put an end to Tasmania's very profitable billion

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Speaker 2: dollar plus salmon industry, putting hundreds of people out of work.

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Speaker 2: And damaging labour's electoral chances in the state. Environmental Minister

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Speaker 2: Tania Plibisek has come under pressure from the Australian Workers

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Speaker 2: Union boss Paul Farrow, who has joined senior Tasmanian labor

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Speaker 2: figures and asking her to put workers' livelihoods ahead of

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Speaker 2: and I quote the exaggerated concerns of inner city activists.

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Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss this more. Sky News contributor

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Speaker 2: Gary Hardgrave, Gary, who's going to prevail here? This is

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Speaker 2: really a sign of the political realignment we are seeing

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Speaker 2: in so many areas in this country and in the US,

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Speaker 2: in the UK where lay bar the Democrats. Labor in

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Speaker 2: the UK are really abandoning their traditional supporters, the working class,

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Speaker 2: the union workers, and preoccupied with the concerns of activists

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Speaker 2: in the inner cities.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know I read I actually made this

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Speaker 5: a speech in twenty oh seven in the House of rep.

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Speaker 5: So to my mind, there's nothing new with this. Labor

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Speaker 5: have walked away from the working class, the workers of Australia.

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Speaker 1: A generation ago.

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Speaker 5: I had an uncle who was a trade union official

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Speaker 5: you know where my politics lies.

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Speaker 1: He said, but I can't stand them now.

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Speaker 5: This was twenty odd years ago and he started voting

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Speaker 5: Liberal because he just could not stand where labor had

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Speaker 5: got to. So you know, put that, you know, in

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Speaker 5: the back of your mind. They have forgotten about the

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Speaker 5: working men and women of Australia a long time ago,

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Speaker 5: and they're just going for the woke activists. And I

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Speaker 5: don't get what the partner the mixed and tortured metaphor

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Speaker 5: the beef about the salmon industry is rhio because this

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Speaker 5: salmon industry has been.

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Speaker 1: Built over the last couple of decades.

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Speaker 5: I remember when I was a minister and the Howard government,

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Speaker 5: we actually worked closely with the Tasmanian salmon industry to

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Speaker 5: bring in experts from overseas, bringing skilled people who understood

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Speaker 5: how to grow salmon, wild river salmon specialists to actually

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Speaker 5: give the salmon that's grown in Tasmanian rivers and waters,

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Speaker 5: you know, the real edge that they've now got. And

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Speaker 5: that's such a I think there's much more than hundreds

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Speaker 5: of people impacted by this. There's literally thousands of people

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Speaker 5: that are going to be hurt by this kind of decision.

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Speaker 5: And you know, on top of that, there's all this

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Speaker 5: new infrastructure that's been built into Northern Tasmania, new port facilities,

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Speaker 5: new airports, new new flights. I mean, all these things

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Speaker 5: that are happening, and it all comes because there's activity.

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Speaker 1: There and the AWU is right.

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Speaker 5: But you know, seriously, the Labor Party, I'm more worried

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Speaker 5: about the various vested interests of the elite friends of

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Speaker 5: the people who you know, want to be offended on

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Speaker 5: behalf of others. And by the way, the irony is

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Speaker 5: they're all looking for salmon for Christmas because they don't

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Speaker 1: I want salmon on their Christmas plate.

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Speaker 5: And here they are killing off homegrown, Australian grown, Tasmanian

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Speaker 1: And what am I going to U is important stuff?

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's just one of the many industries, which

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Speaker 5: is why Tanya Plipasek is a walking, talking sovereign risk

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Speaker 1: She's bad news.

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Speaker 2: Wow one. They've got the whole other aspect. They're the

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Speaker 2: leadership tensions that exist between her and Anthony alber Easy.

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Speaker 2: There's a discussion for another day now. There was a

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Speaker 2: Nastree piece in today's Harold's Son Award winning sports journalist

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Speaker 2: Michael Warner has written about how woken hypocritical the AFL is.

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Speaker 2: He writes of the AFL's endless virtue signaling, he said,

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Speaker 2: persistent welcome to country ceremonies, pride rounds, pre match knee

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Speaker 2: dropping and race baiting doesn't unite Australians. It creates a

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Speaker 2: growing level of resentment, turning us against each other. He

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Speaker 2: also wrote about how football's capture by the woke movement

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Speaker 2: has really always wreaked of hypocrisy. He asks, the AFL

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Speaker 2: is currently defending itself vigorously against a racism class action

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Speaker 2: led by indigenous North Melbourne great Phil Cracker, but how

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Speaker 2: does that correlate with its public undertakings to believe all

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Speaker 2: First Nations players and Gary There is more hypocrisy from

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Speaker 2: the AFL.

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Speaker 3: The AFL commissioned chair Richard Goiter.

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Speaker 2: You're knowing from his work at Quantas he pushed clubs

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Speaker 2: to reduce their dependency on poker machine revenues. But at

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Speaker 2: the same time he's overseen a boom in the AFL's

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Speaker 2: lucrative relationship with sports betting agencies. The hypocrisy, the woke

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Speaker 2: virtue signaling signaling, the incoherent, just grandstanding. It really is

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Speaker 2: a turnoff for fans, But is it going to be

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Speaker 2: enough to actually impact crowd numbers people watching the game.

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Speaker 2: Because people love the sport, they're going to watch regardless.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And look, Reta, the tribalism of AFL is about

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Speaker 5: the suburbs of Melbourne and the suburbs of Sydney, Adelaide,

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Speaker 1: I mean it really is. That's the tribalism.

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Speaker 5: And you know, I'm in Brisbane, the Brisbane lines of

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Speaker 1: I kind of understand it.

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Speaker 5: I bonded with Harry Scullen when he was Harry Jenkins

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Speaker 5: was a mad Fitzroy supporter, so therefore he and I

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Speaker 5: agreed on that if nothing else. He was on the

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Speaker 5: left of labor and I wasn't, of course, But you know,

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Speaker 5: I get it. I understand the tribalism and I understand

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Speaker 5: enough of the history of it to think it's actually terrific.

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Speaker 5: But you know what, everybody cheers, I'm not a mad

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Speaker 5: made of mine loves Richmond and when Richmond out he backs.

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Speaker 1: The Brisbane Lions.

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Speaker 5: An other friend of mine loves Collin Wood and he's

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Speaker 5: always looking for friends some years and other years he's

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Speaker 5: got plenty of them. I mean, this is really what

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Speaker 5: the AFL should be doing.

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Speaker 1: But to find.

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Speaker 5: Ways to divide people based around their personal, ethnic or

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Speaker 1: It's the Australian Football League.

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Speaker 5: It should be about Australia, not the WFL, the woke

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Speaker 1: But they've gone the wrong way.

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Speaker 5: They want to go into division rather than to highlight

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Speaker 5: how each person's diversity has common ground and the strength

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Speaker 1: It is wrong. It's crazy.

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Speaker 5: All the welcomes to country are really doing a lot

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Speaker 5: of people in I hear this grown on every quatter's

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Speaker 5: I think people feel the same way at football matches.

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Speaker 1: We want no politics in football. We just want football

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Speaker 1: in football easy.

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Speaker 2: The sport appears to have been captured, hijacked by the left,

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Speaker 2: and I think you were seeing that increasingly at many

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Speaker 2: clubs as well as at league headquarters. Now going to

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Speaker 2: the US, there's a five hundred and twenty page report

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Speaker 2: from the US House Select Subcommittee on the coronavirus pandemic,

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Speaker 2: and this will shock you, Gary, But they've concluded that

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Speaker 2: the COVID nineteen virus did indeed originate from the Wuhan

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Speaker 2: Institute of Virology. Who would have thought that we knew

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Speaker 2: it came from Wuhan, and that we knew there was

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Speaker 2: a lab there that was investigating coronaviruses, And for many

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Speaker 2: months we were told that any suggestion that those two

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Speaker 2: completely groundless and in fact racist.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And of course you know, we couldn't sell

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Speaker 5: have any relationship with China when we actually said, maybe

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Speaker 5: it is, as Donald Trump calls at the China virus.

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Speaker 5: Look either way, they just should have rung up chari markson.

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Speaker 5: She hadn't sort it out years ago. Whatever happened in

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Speaker 5: Wuhan made all the sense in the world. But it's

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Speaker 5: great that it's now official and the US House of

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Speaker 5: Reps has built the cat. But you know, a lot

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Speaker 5: of relationships, a lot of professional circumstances, and a lot

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Speaker 1: Were hurt by the overreach of what.

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Speaker 5: Now seems to have been a completely man made plandemic.

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Speaker 5: And you know these are things that back when I

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Speaker 5: was hosting my own show on this network, I never

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Speaker 5: said go and get a jab. I just said talk

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Speaker 5: to doctor, because it struck me as the most sensible thing.

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Speaker 5: But there are others who were just saying get the jab,

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Speaker 1: Jab on all media.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think a lot of us got con to,

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Speaker 1: It's great to have the confirmation.

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Speaker 5: I just think there should be a full blown Royal

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Speaker 5: Commission type inquiry into how we handled it here in

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Speaker 5: Australia because a lot of politicians, some getting statues right

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Speaker 2: Gary hard Grave, thanks for time tonight. Joining me now

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Speaker 2: is best selling author and commentator Douglas Murray. Make sure

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Speaker 2: on the West. Douglas, let's start with the presidential pardon.

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden has the broadest, most sweeping pardon imaginable, and

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Speaker 2: it comes after the Biden White House insisted that no

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Speaker 2: one was above the law and that a pardon was unthinkable.

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Speaker 6: Well, as you say it, not only did they say

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Speaker 6: that no one was above the law and say that

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Speaker 6: because of Hunter Baden, and because they believe that all

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Speaker 6: judicial processes in America must be absolutely followed, and that

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Speaker 6: somebody whose name happens to be Iden is absolutely the

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Speaker 6: same as with any other name. They also said it,

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Speaker 6: of course, during the repeated attempts to prosecute Donald Trump

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Speaker 6: for a whole range of issues in America. If you

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Speaker 6: set a special prosecutor or a district attorney after somebody,

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Speaker 6: they look for crime, and they tend to find one.

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Speaker 6: They'll find some difference between what somebody said in one

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Speaker 6: interview three years ago and what they said in yesterday's interview,

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Speaker 6: and then they'll say are evading.

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Speaker 1: Justice and so on.

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Speaker 6: So this was this was a comment that Biden made

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Speaker 6: about Trump. But now he says no one is above

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Speaker 6: the law except for my son's certain other favorites. It's

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Speaker 6: not surprising and on a human level, of course, you

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Speaker 6: know his son has had untold difficulties that he has

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Speaker 6: got through and it must be very disturbing for Joe

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Speaker 6: Biden as a father. However, the pardon, of course doesn't

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Speaker 6: just cover things that he's already been convicted of. It

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Speaker 6: covers things that he could yet be convicted of in

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Speaker 6: relation to the period that.

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Speaker 1: His father was in office. And that is pretty unprecedented.

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Speaker 6: So far as they know.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and it starts in twenty fourteen when Brisma came

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Speaker 7: It's about that Trump Trudeau dinner. From two people who

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Speaker 2: Governor Justin Trudeau, I love that Diplomacy through strength is

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Speaker 6: It be very unwise for people like true Udeau or

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Speaker 2: Turn the page. Yes, I love your line about Justin Trudeau.

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Speaker 2: Now, now to France, and after extensive damage, the magnificent

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Speaker 6: It's far more than that.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely culturally so significant the pope as a prior engagement,

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Speaker 8: We have a national model.

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Speaker 6: Getting to work and putting tax dollars to work. First

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Speaker 6: So these are totally totally hollow words. I'm afraid I

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Speaker 2: He is certainly very good at training, but you can't

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Speaker 2: Do you think there's anybody else who stands out so

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Speaker 3: God forbid?

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Speaker 2: Can you see that happening.

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Speaker 6: I hadn't heard that rumor, Rita. I would have thought

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Speaker 2: I think you're right. After a billion dollars being squandered

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Speaker 2: Douglas Murray, thank you so much for your time this evening.

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Speaker 1: So pleasures always. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Still to come. Left is losing it? Plus, who are

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Speaker 2: the latest Democrats to embrace Trump's border mandate? Kosher Gator

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Speaker 2: joins me next, welcome back. Now it's time for lefties

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Speaker 2: losing it. Remember when Trump tried to get the esteemed

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Speaker 9: Sixty minutes and we can't put on things we can't

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Speaker 9: find it.

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Speaker 8: On because it's bad for Biden.

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Speaker 9: We can't put things we can't very I don't have.

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Speaker 10: To discredit you and what you've discredited yourself to lessly.

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Speaker 11: You've discredited yourself when you say that you're not going

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Speaker 12: Or whatever?

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Speaker 10: That bay and he has no experience and energy.

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Speaker 11: You know, you discredit yourself. I don't have to discrible.

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Speaker 9: So this story about on in his laptop some repair

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Speaker 2: she's supported to be the very best among the very best,

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Speaker 9: And you're making this one of the hardest, most important

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Speaker 10: It's a very important issue to find out whether or

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Speaker 10: money from China and from Ukraine and from Russia.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's an important and.

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Speaker 11: It's incredible the way you can try and say this

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Speaker 11: and sit there and look in the eye and said

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Speaker 11: he accepted money his family from Russia, from Ukraine, from

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Speaker 11: China and from other places.

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Speaker 10: His brother, who didn't have experience, became a big builder.

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Speaker 11: In Iraq without experience. Take a look at what's going on, Leslie,

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Speaker 11: and then you say out that shouldn't be discussed. I'm saying,

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Speaker 11: it's the biggest scandal out there, Leslie, and you don't.

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Speaker 2: Cover it because it can't be I want to talk.

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Speaker 11: About insignificant things. I'm telling you these it can be verified.

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Speaker 10: Excuse me, they found the laptop, Leslie, Leslie, what can

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Speaker 10: be verified?

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Speaker 2: The latter As you saw from the captions there, it

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Speaker 2: wasn't unverified. It wasn't a fake story. It was very

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Speaker 2: much real and implicated not just Hunter Biden, but Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: The New York posted a series of bombshell stories on

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Speaker 2: it well before that little interaction. And let's not forget

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Speaker 2: the media, including sixty Minutes sixty minutes, for four years

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Speaker 2: pushed completely unverified Russian collusion hoax stories, but they chose

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Speaker 2: not to cover that crucial story in the lead up

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Speaker 2: to the twenty twenty election. I never forget they impeached

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump for wanting to investigate the very crimes. Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden just pardoned his son. For now, let's go to CNN.

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Speaker 2: They're still defending the president. Apparently Trump is going to

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Speaker 2: go around and shoot everybody. And if Biden didn't pardon

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Speaker 2: his son, what would happen next?

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Speaker 11: What?

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Speaker 12: You can defend it, But wasn't it a lie that

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Speaker 12: he was not going to pardon.

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Speaker 13: No.

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Speaker 4: I believe the circumstances have changed. I think that we

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Speaker 4: now have a president coming into office who's talking about

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Speaker 4: firing squads, who's talking about running people around the country

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Speaker 4: and making sure that everyone who's his enemy is going

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Speaker 4: to be.

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Speaker 2: Punished, firing squads. Really, these people are nuts, But not

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Speaker 2: to be outdone, the ladies of the view Led White,

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Speaker 2: Whoopee Goldberg.

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Speaker 3: Have decided that it is Donald.

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Speaker 2: Trump's fault that Biden lied and pardoned his son. Try

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Speaker 2: to keep up with this logic. If you can call

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Speaker 2: it that.

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Speaker 12: I'd stop one calling it alive. Well, here's what it says.

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Speaker 12: It's a president for all of us to open our

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Speaker 12: eyes because we've elected someone who is in a similar situation,

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Speaker 12: who didn't have a drug problem, who knew what he

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Speaker 12: was doing, who clearly stood and said I can do this,

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Speaker 12: and he did so.

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Speaker 8: I think.

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Speaker 12: For many, many reasons, this is very different than any

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Speaker 12: other situation that we have average out.

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Speaker 2: Now we've got John Stuart, another lefty losing it, But

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Speaker 2: at least he did try to inject a little humor

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Speaker 2: into proceedings. Sure, as usual with John Stuart, he's years

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Speaker 2: late to the party. He said nothing about this Biden

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Speaker 2: family and their dodgy business dealings when it actually mattered.

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Speaker 2: But now, in the final weeks of Biden's lame duck presidency,

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Speaker 2: he's bravely cracking jokes.

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Speaker 14: Democrats have a moral perch from which they can judge

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Speaker 14: without shame, hypocrisy, or nuance.

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Speaker 2: Everything new President Biden has issued a pardon for his son,

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden lother we was, you know what. It may

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Speaker 2: be a little gut list to finally be showing some

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Speaker 2: interest in the Hunter Biden laptop story and what it

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Speaker 2: all means, But at least Stuart is funny here.

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Speaker 8: I'm sure the.

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Speaker 14: Pardon is a narrowly written, precisely drawn farewell note of

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Speaker 14: compassion for a loved one.

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Speaker 15: The pardon sweeping covering offenses that Hunter Biden quote has committed,

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Speaker 15: or may have committed, or taken part in over the

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Speaker 15: past eleven years.

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Speaker 8: Eleven years is a very specific.

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Speaker 1: And not rounded amount of time.

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Speaker 14: So Hunter, I'll give you a pardon a few years,

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Speaker 14: five years, ten years, it needs to be eleven.

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Speaker 2: Joining me now is Scott News contributor Kosher Gaeta Kosher.

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Speaker 2: Let's start in New York City where the mayor they're Democrat,

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Speaker 2: Mayor Eric Adams is now signing with Donald Trump on

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Speaker 2: the illegal immigration issue. You can't get any clear than

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Speaker 2: this message.

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Speaker 16: Those who are here committing crimes, robbery, shoeing at police officers,

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Speaker 16: raping innocent people have been a harm to our country.

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Speaker 16: I want to sit down and hear the plan on

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Speaker 16: how we're going to address them. Those are the people

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Speaker 16: I am talking about, and I would love to sit

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Speaker 16: down with the borders are and hear his thoughts on

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Speaker 16: how we're going to address those who are harming our citizens.

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Speaker 2: Kosher. This comes after the New York Governor Kathy Hokell

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Speaker 2: made similar remarks. It seems like they've appreciating now that

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Speaker 2: Trump's mandate is overwhelming. This is what people even in

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Speaker 2: blue state, Blue city New York want.

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Speaker 13: That's quite something. We also have those mayors that are

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Speaker 13: seeing they'll go to l before they ever cooperate with them.

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Speaker 13: So I think leftiead a little bit scattered and they're

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Speaker 13: figuring it out. But in his case, between immigration even spending,

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Speaker 13: he came out and said something positive about Doge and

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Speaker 13: Musk recently crime. He really does sound like a Trump

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Speaker 13: surrogate at this point. And who knows, you know, maybe

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Speaker 13: it's self preservation because the Biden DOJ indicted him for

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Speaker 13: those bridary corruption charges, and maybe he's figuring out which

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Speaker 13: side his bread is not buttered on and he's looking

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Speaker 13: at that. Maybe it's political expediency because it's so clear,

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Speaker 13: as you say, where the country's pulses on these issues

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Speaker 13: and where the popular sentiment is. Or maybe he is

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Speaker 13: one of those. You know, twenty percent of black men

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Speaker 13: came out and supported Trump. Maybe he's one of them.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because they are making that distinction. They're

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Speaker 2: saying illegal immigrants who commit a crime. Kathy Hokle said

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Speaker 2: she'll pick up the phone herself and call Ice and

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Speaker 2: have them deported. So they are not making that blanket

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Speaker 2: statement that if you hear illegally, we're going to back

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Speaker 2: you being deported. But it's still the still lank, which

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Speaker 2: we're hearing you wouldn't have heard from Democrats a few

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Speaker 2: years ago, for sure, particularly in New York. Now, the

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Speaker 2: New York Post ran a story on Scott presslife. We

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Speaker 2: don't know who he is. He played a crucial role

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Speaker 2: in flipping Pennsylvania, the Keystone state, the crucial swing state.

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Speaker 2: He's got an organization called Early Vote Action that he

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Speaker 2: founded after the twenty twenty two red wave never came

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Speaker 2: about the midterms.

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 2: Let's hear how he handles the media.

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Speaker 3: I noticed that when you urge people to action, you

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Speaker 3: often include.

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Speaker 1: The word peacefully.

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Speaker 3: Is that to avoid another G and six type incident?

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Speaker 17: With all your respect, It's to avoid people like you

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Speaker 17: guys saying that I'm anything. But my motto is to

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Speaker 17: just be super cute, have my data and facts, treat

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Speaker 17: everyone with love and respect. And as you can see,

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Speaker 17: an army of people will follow him.

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Speaker 2: Super cute with data and facts. He's not the stereotypical

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Speaker 2: GOP operative, but his ground game what he has managed

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Speaker 2: to do in Pennsylvania really, if the Republicans are serious,

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Speaker 2: they should be replicating that across the country. He has

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Speaker 2: just been hugely effective, and it shows you that even

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Speaker 2: in a country where so much money is involved in politics,

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Speaker 2: you can have a campaign like that that it's hugely

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Speaker 2: impactful and is a genuine people led campaign.

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Speaker 13: So he emerged in this election as one of the

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Speaker 13: field generals of the ground game apparatus that Republicans always

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Speaker 13: lagged Democrats in, alongside Charlie Kirk and the Turning Point

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Speaker 13: Gang as well as others like Chris Maloney and even

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Speaker 13: Elon Musk, was doing a lot in the last forty

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Speaker 13: five days to turn out the vote. And he, Scott Pressler,

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Speaker 13: has had this laser focus, a very clearly identified, tangible

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Speaker 13: goal that he's going to out register and out turnout

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Speaker 13: vote Democrats in Pennsylvania, which Trump won and then lost

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Speaker 13: by razor thin margins. And he just identified with data,

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Speaker 13: you know, eighty thousand hunters that had not voted in

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Speaker 13: the last four election but are primed to be Trump supporters,

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Speaker 13: something like one hundred and twenty thousand truckers, the Amish.

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Speaker 2: This was really funny like.

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Speaker 13: And he targeted them and figured out a way to

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Speaker 13: make it easy for them, you know, to vote in

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Speaker 13: a way that works with their norms and customs and

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Speaker 13: all of that. And he helped flip it, and now

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Speaker 13: he has his site set apparently on New Jersey and

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Speaker 13: other states as well. So it's really interesting where finally

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Speaker 13: the Republican appright. It's not because of the RNC, but

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Speaker 13: because of grassroots people like Scott Pressler have stepped up

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Speaker 13: their ground game that was just so lacking for so long.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I know the Republican base absolutely adore him,

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Speaker 2: and it challenges again that whole notion that they're not

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Speaker 2: inclusive of people with different backgrounds and sexualities and whatever

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Speaker 2: identity group they belong in. As long as you believe

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Speaker 2: in the cause, you're in the family.

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Speaker 13: Absolutely, and his communication skills and the factory looks like

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Speaker 13: fabio helps.

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Speaker 2: Now there are rumors that the Washington Commanders Commanders What

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Speaker 2: a Terrible Name might be bringing back their Redskins Monica

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Speaker 2: after changing their name and logo in part due to

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Speaker 2: that whole BLM movement the rights that we saw. What

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Speaker 2: else can you tell us about this potential comeback of swords.

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Speaker 2: It's hilarious because the survey showed that American Indians Native

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Speaker 2: Americans did not care or were not offended by this

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Speaker 2: Red Skins Moniker. It was the usual suspects the affluent

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Speaker 2: white left leaning types who were offended on their behalf.

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Speaker 13: So easily offended, too much time on their hands, and

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Speaker 13: then they just glomb on to this cancel culture mob

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Speaker 13: that had taken over, and that was, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 13: stemmed out of BLM. And then you go off and

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Speaker 13: attack Native American moniker and logo, and in fact the opposite.

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Speaker 13: Some people in the Native American community were actually upset

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Speaker 13: with it because they see that it was actually very

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Speaker 13: nice and you're sort of peating homage or a tribute

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Speaker 13: to this patriarch that the character depicted and that logo,

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Speaker 13: and you by taking it away, you're actually, you know,

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Speaker 13: being disrespectful. So nothing is concrete yet. It's still discussions underwear.

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Speaker 13: But I do wonder if post the election we see

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Speaker 13: the shift now and where it's more acceptable again and

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Speaker 13: that walk pendulum funk swung too hard and maybe it's

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Speaker 13: coming back. Maybe this is a case in point.

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Speaker 2: I can imagine merchandise sales won't be as good long

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Speaker 2: term with commanders as opposed to red skins. I mean

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Speaker 2: that they had a very iconic brand there that they destroyed.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about Joe Biden. He may be a lay

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Speaker 2: duck president, but as the Wall Street Journal warns, he

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Speaker 2: still possesses great power. He is the leader of the

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Speaker 2: free world, and he's using that power to possibly cause

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Speaker 2: a great deal of damage to the US, to make

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Speaker 2: life hard for his successor, Donald Trump. And the Journal's

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Speaker 2: Tevy Troy writes, Joe Biden has only seven weeks left

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Speaker 2: in but is still pushing his agenda. His Justice Department

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Speaker 2: and Federal Trade Commission continue to prevent mergers. His State

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Speaker 2: Department is imposing sanctions on Israeli citizens. He's still nominating

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Speaker 2: judges for lifetime appointments. I think that's the one that's

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Speaker 2: worrying a lot of people. And he has just pardoned

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Speaker 2: his son Hunter for a host of misdeeds. How worried

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Speaker 2: should we be about these last weeks? How much damage

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Speaker 2: could he do?

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Speaker 13: He does hold the power of the most powerful office

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Speaker 13: in the land until high noon on January twentieth, and

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Speaker 13: different presidents have taken different approaches. Many throughout history have

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Speaker 13: used that power till the very last minute, and he

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Speaker 13: is clearly taking that approach. Look some of them, you

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Speaker 13: know where he's waving the want of executive orders. Those

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Speaker 13: can be reversed fairly easily, just like they're put in.

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Speaker 13: But others, like judicial appointments, that is a worry because

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Speaker 13: once appointed, especially if it's a young judge, they're going

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Speaker 13: to be on the bench for thirty forty years. Things

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Speaker 13: like he's putting in some protections in place for unionized

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Speaker 13: labor with federal employees, that's going to directly make it

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Speaker 13: difficult for Trump's policy agenda on cutting the federal government

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Speaker 13: to come into police and maybe you know the deals

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Speaker 13: that he's doing, sending more and more EAD to Ukraine

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Speaker 13: and everything else. Just mix the picture of messire for Trump.

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Speaker 13: But it's seven weeks and I think the countdown clocks

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Speaker 13: are getting louder.

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Speaker 2: Let's just hope there's no more judicial appointments. Because they're

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Speaker 2: there for life. They can have a lasting impact. Now

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Speaker 2: we talked about this last night. Trump's pick for the

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Speaker 2: Drug Enforcement Administrator, the sheriff of Hillsborough County, Chad Kronister.

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Speaker 2: Now we drawn his name from consideration after he's arrest

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Speaker 2: of a Florida pasta for holding services during COVID resurface

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Speaker 2: and generated significant backlash amongst Trump supporters. I discussed this

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Speaker 2: with Josh Hammer last night, I said, this is Trump's

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Speaker 2: first mistake since winning the election, and I'm glad to

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Speaker 2: see that that mistake has so far resolved himself. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure there will be plenty of other mistakes, but this

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Speaker 2: one was really one that concerned a lot of Trump supporters,

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Speaker 2: and it was suggested by his ag Pam Bondi.

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Speaker 13: Which is interesting because Pambondi, of course replaced the only

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Speaker 13: other person who withdrew, But in matt Gets's case, he

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Speaker 13: withdrew because there were enemies of Maga on the other

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Speaker 13: side who you thought he wouldn't get over the line,

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Speaker 13: versus this one with drew because.

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Speaker 2: The base was very upset with what he did.

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Speaker 13: And it is interesting because so DEA is important drug

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Speaker 13: enforcement agency, and the whole Fuentanel crisis, which is eateed

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Speaker 13: and abatted by the legal immigration problem, is a key

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Speaker 13: part of signatory issue of what Trump wants to remedy.

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Speaker 2: So it needs to be a very serious person.

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Speaker 13: And maybe he would have been good at that, maybe not,

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Speaker 13: But just what he did with arresting that pastor is

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Speaker 13: just a bridge too far, and I think once you've

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Speaker 13: done that, there's no coming back.

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Speaker 2: And it wasn't that one isolated incident. It was other

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Speaker 2: things you during the COVID era and then also the

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Speaker 2: softly softly approached he took to BLM writers and not

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Speaker 2: enforcing COVID restrictions against them. So yeah, he's got some Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he could ever remedy the the

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Speaker 2: not the problem. There is little forgiving or forgetting when

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Speaker 2: it comes to that sort of area. Before you go,

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Speaker 2: this is now hilarious. Donald Trump hasn't posted this picture

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Speaker 2: on Instagram of him. It's a photoshoped image obviously presiding

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Speaker 2: over a rocky mountain range in Canada with the Canadian

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Speaker 2: flag flying proudly, following his dinner with Justin Trudeau. Of course,

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Speaker 2: it has since emerged that he suggests that perhaps Canada

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Speaker 2: can become the fifty first state of the US and

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Speaker 2: Trudeau could be its governor. If they can't handle some tariffs,

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Speaker 2: if they can impose tariffs but they can't handle tariffs

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Speaker 2: the other way, then perhaps really they're not fit to

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Speaker 2: be a country. That was an interesting discussion.

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Speaker 13: It certainly was a just juxtaposed, you know, the might

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Speaker 13: of the US economy and the country next to Canada,

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Speaker 13: which is an ally very similar heritage and all that,

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Speaker 13: but you can sort of see where the mightiness is

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Speaker 13: and then just you put the leaders Trump versus Trudeau,

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Speaker 13: you can also see the balance and might And it's funny.

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Speaker 13: This actually harkens back to the whole Greenland discussion in

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Speaker 13: the last term where he was talking about, oh, you know,

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Speaker 13: could we buy Greenland? Could be next Greenland in humor

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Speaker 13: they could afford to do it, or past an euro

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Speaker 13: where people take over countries, but you know, it's a

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Speaker 13: very resource rich place in America could do it. And

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Speaker 13: he had photoshopped an image of Trump Tower in Greenland

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Speaker 13: somewhere and this is sort of a page right out.

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Speaker 2: Of that playbook. Absolutely, thanks for your time tonight, I

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Speaker 2: can't do Still to come, we'll look at some of

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Speaker 2: the best and worst Christmas ads with advertising guru Richard Rowsmith.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. Well, it's that time of the year. The

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Speaker 2: corporates are putting out their Christmas ads for twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four in summer better than others. Joining me now to

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Speaker 2: review some of the best and worst Christmas ads is

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Speaker 2: advertising expert Richard Ralph Smith, the co founder of DPR

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Speaker 2: and Co Advertising. Before we get into the Christmas ads,

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Speaker 2: though I want to play you because we've talked about

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Speaker 2: this next ad of this program, but I haven't had

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Speaker 2: an advertising expert on so perhaps you can defend it

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Speaker 2: because everyone else I've showed it to hates it. This

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Speaker 2: is the new ad.

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Speaker 3: For car brand Jaguar. What is that?

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Speaker 1: Richard?

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Speaker 2: Please defend your industry. Look, that is an abomination. There's

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Speaker 2: no car, there's no Jaguar. There's nothing actually innovitive or

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Speaker 2: exciting or new.

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Speaker 8: It's yeah, I know.

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Speaker 18: Look, I wish I could defend it, but I can't.

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Speaker 18: I can defend the industry, but I cannot defend it.

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Speaker 8: Is just appalling.

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Speaker 18: And I've never had so many people ask me about

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Speaker 18: half the people ask me about it wonder if.

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Speaker 8: It's real or not. And it's self parodying. It's pretentious,

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Speaker 8: it's stupid.

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Speaker 18: It's everything that a brand ought not do, particularly when

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Speaker 18: they're trying to revitalize themselves like Jaguara. You know, when

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Speaker 18: you've got a storied British brand like Jaguar, and let's

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Speaker 18: face it, pretty tired and stale as.

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Speaker 8: A brand, what you do is you go back to

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Speaker 8: what was true.

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Speaker 18: And great about the brand in the first place and

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Speaker 18: find a way to make that new and fresh, you know,

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Speaker 18: just trash the whole thing altogether, which is what they done.

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Speaker 2: They have, they have, and I just can't imagine who

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Speaker 2: they're going to be appealing to with that nonsense. Now

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Speaker 2: let's look at a ad closer to home. This is

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Speaker 2: what Coals have put together for the Christmas period.

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Speaker 1: I've heard the elves.

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Speaker 8: Have been helping out.

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Speaker 6: They know just where to find juicy Christmas mangoes.

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Speaker 5: Not here, not here, made it welcome to Manbloo.

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Speaker 10: They know where to hand picked the season's most magical cherries,

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Speaker 10: and they know where to find Ozzie Banana prawn's out

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Speaker 10: at sea.

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Speaker 2: Now, the production value is delightful, it's inoffensive. There's nothing

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Speaker 2: there that's going to say I'm not going to shop

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Speaker 2: at Coals. But really, is it?

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Speaker 3: Is it a good ad?

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Speaker 2: Is it going to have people opt for Coals as

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Speaker 2: opposed to woolies for example.

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Speaker 18: Well, there are other reasons to for coals at the

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Speaker 18: moment to woolies.

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Speaker 8: But I think you're right. It's an offensive. It's sweet,

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Speaker 8: but it's fairly forgettable.

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Speaker 18: And if you look at what the great brands overseas

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Speaker 18: like John Lewis do and compare that to what this

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Speaker 18: brand has done in Australia.

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Speaker 8: It just feels very very safe.

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Speaker 18: They've made the mistake of shoving in a whole bunch

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Speaker 18: of product mandatories in there at the expense of making

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Speaker 18: a really great emotional connection, really something really heartwarming, which

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Speaker 18: is what you want at Christmas time.

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Speaker 2: I do wonder whether these brands are scared to actually

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Speaker 2: have a Christmas message, a Christmas ad, because Christmas is

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Speaker 2: almost offensive to some inner city activist type, so they

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Speaker 2: do stuff like this which is kind of more generic.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, there is a little bit of that, and I

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Speaker 18: think there's just a little bit of sort of timidity.

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Speaker 8: Around what they want to do.

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Speaker 18: They don't feel brave enough just to make a big

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Speaker 18: brand statement and forget about saying five different things about

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Speaker 18: our products and our fresh food. So yeah, they missed

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Speaker 18: the mark on a couple of levels.

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Speaker 8: But it's okay. The kids will like it. It's sweet

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Speaker 8: and as you say, inoffensive.

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Speaker 2: Now let's have a look at Coke massive brand and

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Speaker 2: they've put together a AI generated at I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: what I think of that one. I don't love or hated.

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Speaker 1: What are your well, there's a bit.

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Speaker 2: Of opinions on that.

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Speaker 8: There's a bit of a story behind that one for

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Speaker 8: a start.

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Speaker 18: So generative AI has been the biggest story in advertising

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Speaker 18: over the last couple of years, and this campaign in

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Speaker 18: the US has become a bit of a lightning rod

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Speaker 18: for everything that worries people about generative AI in the

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Speaker 18: creative sphere. So it's a tribute to a campaign that

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Speaker 18: Coke did in nineteen ninety five, very very popular campaign.

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Speaker 18: It's almost a remake of it, but that campaign, and

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Speaker 18: it was much loved by Americans over a number of years.

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Speaker 18: But that campaign used real actors, real truck drivers, a director,

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Speaker 18: and a massive crew and a whole bunch of post

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Speaker 18: production people, so lots and lots of creative people collaborating

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Speaker 18: and making something really quite wonderful. By contrast, this one

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Speaker 18: here is someone typing prompts into a computer and it's

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Speaker 18: a triumph of technology over humans, and they're actually facing

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Speaker 18: quite a big backlash over that in the use.

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Speaker 2: I do wonder though, whether the consumer can obviously those

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Speaker 2: in the industry no, that's AI, but whether the regular

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Speaker 2: consumer would recognize that. I don't think I would. I

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Speaker 2: don't think I'm paying close enough attention to know that

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Speaker 2: AD is entirely generated by AI.

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Speaker 18: I think in the US because the first campaign was

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Speaker 18: so famous and it ran over many many years, they

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Speaker 18: saw that as a tribute.

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Speaker 8: And there's been a lot of social.

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Speaker 18: Media about this all being AI generated as well, so

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Speaker 18: it's sort of bubbling up into the surface.

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Speaker 2: Now for the industry, is AI a godsend? Is it

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Speaker 2: going to revitalize and give you fresh ideas or is

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Speaker 2: it going to see job loss?

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Speaker 18: Well, you know, as an advertising person, I'm meant to

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Speaker 18: always say let's embrace the latest, the greatest, the best

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Speaker 18: and everything.

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Speaker 8: And everyone on their.

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Speaker 18: LinkedIn is saying how up to date they are on

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Speaker 18: the bleeding edge of AI. But I've got to tell you,

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Speaker 18: look from a creative from a creative person's point of view,

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Speaker 18: I don't like it.

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Speaker 8: It worries me.

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Speaker 18: I feel about all the crafts people that we've worked

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Speaker 18: with over.

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Speaker 8: So many years.

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Speaker 18: They're going to be the sort of things together and

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Speaker 18: you know, I think it will replace people eventually, but

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Speaker 18: it makes us more efficient and all of those sort

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Speaker 18: of things. I just don't know if efficiency is the

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Speaker 18: highest goal we should be aiming for.

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Speaker 2: Richard Ralswick, thank you so much for your time and

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Speaker 2: that's it from May. I'll see you tomorrow at eleven up.

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Speaker 2: Next is Newsnight,