WEBVTT - Summer series: in conversation with Hamish Blake

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to Something to Talk About, the Stella Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Sarah Lamarquin, your host, and this year I have

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<v Speaker 1>had the privilege of sitting down with some of the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest names in the country. Because when Estralia's celebrities are

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<v Speaker 1>ready to talk, they come to Something to Talk About.

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<v Speaker 1>We're continuing to publish across the summer break and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be back with a brand new episode on January twelfth.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, each day for the next two weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be revisiting some of your favorite episodes from the

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<v Speaker 1>past year. And I'm happy to report that there have

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<v Speaker 1>been a lot of popular episodes, but out of the

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<v Speaker 1>fifty we released in twenty twenty four, we've narrowed it

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<v Speaker 1>down to ten conversations to revisit over the summer break.

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<v Speaker 1>Today you'll hear from Hamish Blake in a rare in

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<v Speaker 1>depth interview. The popular entertainer and two time Goldblogie winner

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<v Speaker 1>join me in the studio to talk black cat lollies,

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<v Speaker 1>the burial rituals of ancient Egypt, and his theory that

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<v Speaker 1>a well stocked snack cupboard is the key to a

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<v Speaker 1>happy workplace. Don't worry, we talk about his life too.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's my chat with Hamish. Now, like all meticulously researched

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<v Speaker 1>podcast hosts, I have referred to your Instagram bio in preparations.

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<v Speaker 2>I can see over one page of printed stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. I may have gone a little further than

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<v Speaker 1>your Insta bio, but it's what we'll start.

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<v Speaker 2>Will we've done that for anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't and paste your Insta bio across six pages.

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<v Speaker 1>I know this looks very daunting, doesn't it. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>I've come in with my homework.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a good this is a huge project.

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<v Speaker 1>Last night I did my son's Year seven Egyptian history assignment,

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<v Speaker 1>and what did you cover? We were talking about mummies

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<v Speaker 1>and embalming, and I realized that mummies.

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<v Speaker 2>Back then were something we did for the afterlife, but

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<v Speaker 2>mummies now are someone we use for homework.

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<v Speaker 1>This is exactly right and funnily enough for you. And

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<v Speaker 1>I will be chatting a little bit about Lego today.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was lamenting the fact that I had no

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<v Speaker 1>little discarded cat Lego figurines anywhere as I did for

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<v Speaker 1>when my oldest son was doing his year seven assignment.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what Lego set had some little clearly

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<v Speaker 1>there must like.

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<v Speaker 2>An Egyptian thing because they loved cats.

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<v Speaker 1>They used to embalm their pets with them as well,

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<v Speaker 1>because then if they could be reunited together again, tough

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<v Speaker 1>break for the cat, very tough break for the cat.

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<v Speaker 1>If your owner unfortunately passed on, well, then.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd be like, this doesn't look good.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyone didn't have any lego in the house this time. Fortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a big fondness, some may say dependence on

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<v Speaker 1>little sweets that are shaped in the shape of a

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<v Speaker 1>black cat, made out of antisy like liquoric.

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<v Speaker 2>I taught myself to love those as a kid because

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<v Speaker 2>no other kids liked them, like black jelly beans. That's why.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we didn't ever have like lollies and stuff I

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<v Speaker 2>was of scabs. I was always like trying to like

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<v Speaker 2>scum food of that, and so you just like taught

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<v Speaker 2>yourself to like the stuff that people chucked away.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason I have them is because my two sons

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<v Speaker 1>won't eat them. They're the only lollies that will last

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<v Speaker 1>in my house for longer than five minutes, so I

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<v Speaker 1>had a little container of them. Anyway, I've already lost

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<v Speaker 1>complete control of this inter do apologize six pages of preparation.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean I didn't need to come in hot

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<v Speaker 2>off Egypt.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't need to read your Instagram bio. I could

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<v Speaker 1>have just got straight into discarded lego pieces and lollies

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<v Speaker 1>and our work. He was done.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally pretty close to my heart, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>As most of our readers and listeners would be aware.

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<v Speaker 1>According to your bio, you host a weekly podcast or

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<v Speaker 1>to some TV a few weeks a year. Huge load somehow.

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<v Speaker 1>We will talk about those not so little podcasts in

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<v Speaker 1>a moment, and also that TV which includes an upcoming Seaton.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate the cover, thank you, it does, but I

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<v Speaker 2>do have the cover for Stella is huge load, Like

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<v Speaker 2>how does he manage? Just so my wife books and

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<v Speaker 2>she's like, what did you say in that interview?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she will be uhcause.

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<v Speaker 2>She genuinely does have a huge load. But if I

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<v Speaker 2>am on the front cover pretending I have a huge load.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, that's okay. Look, we will definitely get something

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<v Speaker 1>in there about how Hamish manages.

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<v Speaker 2>World class lolli scab and.

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<v Speaker 1>Also huge workload. I mean there's a lot going on there.

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<v Speaker 1>We're already very impressed here. Look, let's start with the

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<v Speaker 1>big issue. How does the catering budget in the podcasting

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<v Speaker 1>studio because we met host a couple of pods compare

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<v Speaker 1>with that on set of a TV show.

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<v Speaker 2>This is how much time have we got. I'll happily

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<v Speaker 2>just talk about this for half an hour. It's my

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<v Speaker 2>where do I How do I unpick this? I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>firm believer in snacks. I think it's a really overlooked

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<v Speaker 2>part of both podcasting and radio and television. It's I

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<v Speaker 2>mean only because I've been that person, like when you

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<v Speaker 2>rock up to work and you look at what snacks

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<v Speaker 2>are available. Let's be honest, it really is. The message

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<v Speaker 2>from the higher ups of this is how much we

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<v Speaker 2>value you. If it's like some if it's just like

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<v Speaker 2>a few pieces of fruit, it's a slap in the face.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's good biscuits, and we all know what we

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<v Speaker 2>mean here that UFE can buy like the non cream

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<v Speaker 2>biscuits or cream. If you're giving someone a Kingston, you're

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<v Speaker 2>saying to them, we tried and we love you. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's not that much of a jump money wise right

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<v Speaker 2>to get good biscuits versus this.

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<v Speaker 1>Is generics buy them in bulk.

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<v Speaker 2>You can buy them in bolk I just know what

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<v Speaker 2>a difference it can make as a person. So back

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<v Speaker 2>in the radio days, I was actually I would anoint

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<v Speaker 2>myself the snap King, and we had a policy in

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<v Speaker 2>our office in radio where I was like, whatever you

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<v Speaker 2>guys like, because there is a you know, definitely an

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<v Speaker 2>unfair hierarchy, both in radio and TV about like the

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<v Speaker 2>people that are on camera versus the people that are

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<v Speaker 2>actually doing all the work behind the scenes. So it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>as a way to slightly address this imbalance, whatever anyone wants, like,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll take it. Me and Andy will take care of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like just if you like macada, if you want oat milk, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>let's not have a moment at work where we're not

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<v Speaker 2>pumped to open the fridge or the pantry. I hate

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<v Speaker 2>that feeling when you like I need a little morale

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<v Speaker 2>boost and you open the pantry and it's just full

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<v Speaker 2>of morale destroying foods. So I think snacks are a

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<v Speaker 2>huge element of morale in podcasting, there's not that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes you're in separate studios, man, me and you are

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<v Speaker 2>very big on like, you know, hey, everyone, let's just

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<v Speaker 2>like let's get Nando's or Indian food, because it's like

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<v Speaker 2>once a week you get to see each other. So

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<v Speaker 2>again it should be like a joyful moment when I

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<v Speaker 2>do how are the dad's dad? Which is a much

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<v Speaker 2>smaller operation. It's just me and my mate Tim. We

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<v Speaker 2>have a policy to that the drink like, we have

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<v Speaker 2>a very strong please tell us your favorite drink like

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<v Speaker 2>and be honest, like if you want a frappucino or

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<v Speaker 2>something like, we will get it. Because again, how great

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<v Speaker 2>is if you walk through the door and what you

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<v Speaker 2>were like excited to have is waiting on the desk anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>So that's sometimes so sometimes it's our footing the bill,

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<v Speaker 2>but I see it as a very very small cost

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<v Speaker 2>to bear for the joy that it can bring. So

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<v Speaker 2>at Lego, I run a small kitchen backstage. There's like

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<v Speaker 2>the general snack foods, and I'm not having to go

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<v Speaker 2>at the production company here. They do a very good job.

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<v Speaker 2>The catering's great, but I think you can boost morale

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<v Speaker 2>by having you know, some great other foods backstage.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to apologize. I feel like the craft services

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<v Speaker 1>here on set of Something to Do, it's pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect coffee, but this for a podcast, all you need

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<v Speaker 2>is a coffee. Honestly, when I do the Hammer Shanny

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<v Speaker 2>podcasts and they have two requirements and it's a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit deverie, but I mean I pay for it. They

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<v Speaker 2>just we can't leave the studio. I like to honor

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<v Speaker 2>of This is very deep and only the people in

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<v Speaker 2>our podcast team probably are interested in this. But I

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<v Speaker 2>have a jar where I have mcflurry money, so I will,

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<v Speaker 2>like at one thirty sort of just after lunch, two o'clock,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll do it. I'll do a coffee and I'm a Flurry.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of think there's no better combination.

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<v Speaker 1>For very comedy that is pick up.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's actually a guy that works for this called Brad,

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<v Speaker 2>and he takes it really and I appreciate how seriously

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<v Speaker 2>he takes it because we obviously can't leave the studio

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<v Speaker 2>because we're talking to the microphones. And if you're listening, Brad,

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<v Speaker 2>God love you. I really respect you for that. He

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<v Speaker 2>is diligent on it.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's meeting his KPIs.

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<v Speaker 2>Because he has taken and my policy is to like, Brad,

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<v Speaker 2>get one for yourself, and he really does, but I

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<v Speaker 2>really encourage him to get one result because I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like a jerk making him go and get me.

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<v Speaker 1>Mcflu myself because he's eaten Well, you've been chatting now TV.

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<v Speaker 1>Apart from the catering, which I feel we've covered extensively,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel that all questions have been answered everyone things

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll have a little video of that. Apart from

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<v Speaker 1>even mentioned obviously radio, which is where you and Andy

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<v Speaker 1>Lee started and now you're working podcasting, and then there's

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<v Speaker 1>been this hugely successful TV career running concurrent to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Be an obvious question to say, how is it different?

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<v Speaker 1>Because something that a lot of people talk about now

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<v Speaker 1>is the fact that radio used to be a non

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<v Speaker 1>visual medium. Now it is for you in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>workload or just natural affinity, Is there a medium where

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<v Speaker 1>you feel most at home?

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<v Speaker 2>Great question. I mean, I think it's they're just different muscles,

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<v Speaker 2>so and they're kind of like different sports, I suppose.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's it is a little bit like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got someone that's that really enjoys playing tennis, but

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<v Speaker 2>then they also love netball. I would have to say,

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<v Speaker 2>like I think, for for just pure flow, it is

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<v Speaker 2>podcasting like and and what began is great a bit

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<v Speaker 2>podcastings and even and even more refined, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>more of an analysa like a more refined serum of

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<v Speaker 2>what radio is, because I think it comes down to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you're ultimately doing it to for you know,

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy creating moments and having a connection with your audience,

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<v Speaker 2>which of course is what you go for in TV,

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<v Speaker 2>or certainly an unscripted TV. You're like what Lego is,

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<v Speaker 2>and a bunch of other shows are generally unscripted. You're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to create something out of nothing, and that's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of fun. But there are there have to be

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<v Speaker 2>so many moving parts in TV, and there has to

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<v Speaker 2>be such a long production chain to get something on

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<v Speaker 2>screen that just by the very nature of the length

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<v Speaker 2>of that production chain, it can lose its excitement's spontaneity,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think I just really love spontaneity. So you

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<v Speaker 2>can do a lot of things to keep the magic

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<v Speaker 2>for on camera, which we do both on Lego and

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<v Speaker 2>then on you know, the other shows that we've done,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's still that the distance from conception to execution

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<v Speaker 2>can often be like weeks until you kind of that

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<v Speaker 2>chance to do it, and that's fun, that's part of

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<v Speaker 2>the work. That's just the nature of the beast. On podcasting,

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<v Speaker 2>it really is a lot closer. You know that that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of brain to mouth to ear connection is pretty instantaneous,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you and I think that's really special, and you

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<v Speaker 2>get to create that the most magical thing, which is

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<v Speaker 2>to create a moment that then goes straight to a listener.

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<v Speaker 2>And as you know from podcasting, like podcast listeners are

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<v Speaker 2>the best just because it's by choice. It's so different

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<v Speaker 2>to radio. And we obviously love all the people that

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<v Speaker 2>joined us for the radio show and listened, and there

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<v Speaker 2>was a large percentage of people you know that of

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<v Speaker 2>course would make an appointment to listen to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>But by and large, radio is a medium of convenience.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like you're not getting in the car at four

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock and hoping to find somewhere to go because you

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<v Speaker 2>like the radio show.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of your rested on fans.

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<v Speaker 2>Some would and I really appreciate those people, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was one as a kid too. I would stay in

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<v Speaker 2>the car until six o'clock to wait till Martin molloyth finished.

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<v Speaker 2>So there are those that make the choice radio first,

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<v Speaker 2>life second. But by and large.

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<v Speaker 1>Most people, yeah, you drive on the way, drive your.

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<v Speaker 2>Kids up, and will happily keep your company while you

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<v Speaker 2>do it, and so it's just that funny thing where

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<v Speaker 2>with radio, someone could look your eyes and genuinely mean

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<v Speaker 2>they could genuinely say to you, I really love your

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<v Speaker 2>radio show. I listen every single day, or I don't

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<v Speaker 2>listen to it all. We're on four to six Monday

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<v Speaker 2>to Friday. That's ten hours when we were on radio.

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<v Speaker 2>What they probably mean is on Monday he had like

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five minutes. On Tuesday, maybe they got an hour Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 2>possibly missed it and have forgot about that Thursday half

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<v Speaker 2>an hour whatever. Those would be a high volume listener,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're probably still only hearing about twenty percent of

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<v Speaker 2>what you did that week, just because of life with podcasting,

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<v Speaker 2>as you know, like people hear it all. And so

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<v Speaker 2>our podcast listeners are the best because you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to ever reset anything. In fact, they remember more than

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<v Speaker 2>you do about the show, and so you just end

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<v Speaker 2>up with a much much deeper connection. And so we're like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the greatest fun in the world doing the Hamishinaity Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>We literally just get to turn up. The show kind

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<v Speaker 2>of now is self sustains, like there's way more stuff

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<v Speaker 2>coming into the show from our listeners and from like

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't rely on any sort of outside influence. You

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<v Speaker 2>could record the show today, you could listen to the

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<v Speaker 2>show today, you can listen to it in five years.

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<v Speaker 2>It has nothing really to do with any topical events.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's in this beautiful little ecosystem that we

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<v Speaker 2>just get to play with and it's the funnest part

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<v Speaker 2>of our week. We're always like crying with laughter. We

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<v Speaker 2>have the greatest time doing it, and you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>win the ultimate prize, which is people enough people enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>it that you get to keep doing it, which is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of in entertainment, that's all you can hope for.

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<v Speaker 2>If enough people enjoy it, you get to do it again.

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<v Speaker 1>That's also obviously part of the success of Lego Masters,

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<v Speaker 1>which is returning soon. Clearly enough people have enjoyed it

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<v Speaker 1>that you get to get to it again because we've

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<v Speaker 1>got a new season on the way. Your children are

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<v Speaker 1>now six, six nine, so they're really getting into I

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<v Speaker 1>imagine that real sweet spot for Lego because I've already

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned my boys a bit older, they're twelve and fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember very well the real peak Lego years.

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<v Speaker 2>And it is and Lego knows that too as a company.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they know that like quite a large percentage

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<v Speaker 2>sort of drop away in teenage is and then they

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<v Speaker 2>come back as adults. So there is actually officially from

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<v Speaker 2>Lego I think called the Darkies, which I think is

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<v Speaker 2>from like fifteen to like twenty because like a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of teenagers drop out. Other things get their attention, which

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<v Speaker 2>I think we can all imagine. Yes, you'll remember what.

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<v Speaker 1>Other things homework and that's history something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yea, yeah, totally psychology. I wanted to better reading

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the Greek classics around then. And then

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<v Speaker 2>you know, then you come back as an adult. So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>my kids are on the sweet spot possibly. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>my little girl is six, so I've been doing Lego

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<v Speaker 2>since she was born. This our sixth year of doing

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<v Speaker 2>I've done more of Lego Musters than any other TV

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<v Speaker 2>show I've ever done. I've done it for longer than

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<v Speaker 2>we much longer than we do Gap Year or any

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<v Speaker 2>of other stuff than Andy and I did. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>sort of yeah, it's a really long time. It's it's

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<v Speaker 2>accidentally become like a large chunk of my life and

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent of her life. I've been this person

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<v Speaker 2>that goes and plays in this shed full of lego,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's probably skewed her idea of what lego is like.

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<v Speaker 2>She has more exposure to it as the thing at

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<v Speaker 2>dad's work than what I had as a kid, which

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<v Speaker 2>was like just standing in the toy store and coveting

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<v Speaker 2>it and not being able to have it until it

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<v Speaker 2>was your birthday or Christmas. So possibly have ruined her

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<v Speaker 2>in that sense because we do I mean, I know

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<v Speaker 2>this is admitting to theft from work, but I do

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<v Speaker 2>take a bit from the brick pit and bring it home.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of things do you take?

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<v Speaker 2>Messed up now, So it's not a complicated. She's not like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>bring me home like six three by eight forty five

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<v Speaker 2>degree plates or whatever. The technical hard to.

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<v Speaker 1>Slip into your back pocket. Can'try.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not building incredible things. They're like, Dad, give us

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<v Speaker 2>bring home fifty of the baby lions. Because there's all

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<v Speaker 2>the animals and stuff in the brick pit, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>just too much for a kid to understand, like there

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<v Speaker 2>are buckets of these because a lot of Lego sets're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get like one cute animal. It's not unusual for

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<v Speaker 2>a kid to be like, I want that whole ski

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<v Speaker 2>resort because it comes with.

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<v Speaker 1>The small figuring.

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<v Speaker 2>It comes with the kitten. So you's being like one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and thirty dollars to get the kitten, whereas in

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<v Speaker 2>the brick pit they just lying around. So I'm getting

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of like it's like, you know, you hear

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<v Speaker 2>about those like you know, car theF syndicates from like Dubai,

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<v Speaker 2>who are like, go steal this Porsche or whatever in America.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I get from my daughter. I get like

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<v Speaker 2>a hit list of things to boost from the brick pit.

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<v Speaker 2>But unlike the criminal syndicates, I sometimes have the guts

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<v Speaker 2>to push back on the crime boss and go I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not boosting fifty. Maybe maybe I can get you one

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<v Speaker 2>by the end of the season.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why you are Father of the Year, because

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<v Speaker 1>you're pushing back on the crime.

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<v Speaker 2>I still model theft, but a more reasonable level of theft.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm just going to remind you that those little

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<v Speaker 1>animals could come in very handy. By the time she's

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<v Speaker 1>in year seven, you're doing your Egyptian Mummy. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just saying it's a good longevity play, eternal life in

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<v Speaker 1>all its bombs. If I say the word family viewing

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds a little bit tweet, doesn't it Probably me.

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<v Speaker 2>It reminds me if it's a knockout, which no one

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<v Speaker 2>will remember.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I remember it's a knockout very well.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And it also even before TV became so fractured with

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<v Speaker 1>the way that Australians are consuming content now, it's very

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<v Speaker 1>hard to get people all in the one room watching

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<v Speaker 1>a show together. But even if logistically you pull that off,

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<v Speaker 1>it is I find in my experience as a mum,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure a lot of our business would feel

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<v Speaker 1>the same just finding that content now that resonates. Lego

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<v Speaker 1>Masters is genuinely one of those shows which is really lovely.

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<v Speaker 2>And I take that now even more than I did.

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<v Speaker 2>The stats the ultimate compliment because again, like season one,

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<v Speaker 2>when people there were people that would give us that

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<v Speaker 2>feedback because we're much younger and you know, like we

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<v Speaker 2>were in like my boy was watching Bluey, which is

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<v Speaker 2>family viewing as well. I mean, it's the best show

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<v Speaker 2>in the world, but most of all, like I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>my daughter's a baby, so we're not. I didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>understand what a prize that would be. Now that I

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<v Speaker 2>have older kids, I understand it a lot more. I'm like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not all sitting down to watch Avatar the Last Airbender.

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<v Speaker 2>As good as that show is, there are very few

0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:47.360
<v Speaker 2>things and we're not making the kids stay up so

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<v Speaker 2>that they can watch The Curse. So it's yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>really understand that a lot more so. That is a

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<v Speaker 2>huge compliment that there could be a fun thing for

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<v Speaker 2>certain families to actually kind of watch the show. And

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<v Speaker 2>then the ultimate layer on top of that compliment is

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<v Speaker 2>that people play Lego while they're watching the show. And

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<v Speaker 2>then God, everyone's just pat themselves in the back, going,

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<v Speaker 2>look at us, what great parents we are. The kids

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<v Speaker 2>are doing something creative. We're all watching TV together.

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<v Speaker 1>Job done. Feeling guilt.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>That we're doing it, that's a victory. You've been working

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<v Speaker 1>on TV on and off for almost twenty years. You

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<v Speaker 1>and Andy had your first sort of version of what

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<v Speaker 1>was then The Hamish and Andy Show in March two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and five, so that what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I always forget. Yeah, we'retty close.

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<v Speaker 1>To twenty Yeah, just after nineteen years. That's a period

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<v Speaker 1>of immense change for you personally, also the industry as

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<v Speaker 1>a whole, which I'd like to ask you about in

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<v Speaker 1>a moment. But for you, a rising radio star in

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<v Speaker 1>your early twenties, now married father to multiple Gold LOGI

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<v Speaker 1>winning TV host, how has your approach changed? Is there

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<v Speaker 1>anything that you wish you knew then that you know?

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<v Speaker 1>And was it more fun then? I mean, you've made

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<v Speaker 1>it sound like it's a lot of fun now maybe, though.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good question. It's always a tricky It's always

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<v Speaker 2>a funny thought experiment, isn't it, Because I think you

0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:13.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of go around in circles because you're always like,

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<v Speaker 2>why you wouldn't change anything, because then it would alter

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<v Speaker 2>history and you're going to end up somewhere else. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really I love the all the ups and downs

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<v Speaker 2>because it kind of puts you right into this moment

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<v Speaker 2>where you are now. So that aside, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to just get too existential on the question.

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to answer it properly. It's it's one

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<v Speaker 2>of those things where I'm we were really lucky to

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<v Speaker 2>begin when we began, Like I think even just to

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<v Speaker 2>be in that era of TV, it would be much

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<v Speaker 2>it would be a really different prospect now if we

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<v Speaker 2>were those people as twenty two year olds or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>we were, And the answer for anyone would be, of

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<v Speaker 2>course you change, Like twenty years. I was like three

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<v Speaker 2>years into my four years into being an adult, and

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<v Speaker 2>now you know, as a forty two year old dad,

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<v Speaker 2>you just of course you're diff Like you hope you

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<v Speaker 2>change every year, let alone every two decades. So I

0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:09.000
<v Speaker 2>would hope I'm a vastly different person, but that retains

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<v Speaker 2>some of the same some of the same features, some

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<v Speaker 2>of the same characteristics that we had when we were

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two. I think I think it was really in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of it being fun. I think it's I think

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<v Speaker 2>that has been the sort of the north star on

0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:29.520
<v Speaker 2>any project anyway, and I think you have to. There's

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<v Speaker 2>just no rule book for TV or radio or podcasting

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<v Speaker 2>or any creative pursuit, songwriting, whatever creative outlet people have.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no like, there's no guarantees, there's no there isn't

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<v Speaker 2>a rule. It sometimes makes sense in retrospect, like sometimes

0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:47.280
<v Speaker 2>you could look at someone's trajectory and be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that was obviously the plan, but not really if you

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<v Speaker 2>rewind to any particular moment, you're mostly just guessing and going, well,

0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:57.159
<v Speaker 2>this feels like fun. Do we give it a go,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think I think that's kind of only that's

0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:04.840
<v Speaker 2>that's a pretty simple algorithm. But it's served us well

0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:07.200
<v Speaker 2>to just sort of go, this seems like it contains

0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:16.359
<v Speaker 2>the right amount of excitement, uncertainty, possible upside, acceptable downside.

0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:19.400
<v Speaker 2>And then the questions always been does it fit into

0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:21.119
<v Speaker 2>our lives at the moment, And obviously our lives have

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<v Speaker 2>changed a great deal. But one thing I'm really proud

0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:28.120
<v Speaker 2>of between and On and Eers, we've always been very

0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:31.520
<v Speaker 2>clear with each other that, like, let's with this is

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<v Speaker 2>really fun in its best form. The one thing that

0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:38.600
<v Speaker 2>probably squashes this thing we have is it gets too

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<v Speaker 2>we take on too much, or it gets too big,

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<v Speaker 2>or one side of the equation is it's not working

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<v Speaker 2>for them. So let's just always stay ahead of that

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<v Speaker 2>and let's let's adapt before circumstances kind of break us.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's you know, the times we've wrapped up

0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:58.760
<v Speaker 2>a TV show or kind of changed from radio to

0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:01.679
<v Speaker 2>go into podcasting have always been because there was just

0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:04.159
<v Speaker 2>something in the air that made us go, I think

0:23:04.200 --> 0:23:06.040
<v Speaker 2>this will be more fun if we move in this direction.

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<v Speaker 2>And thankfully, you know, twe years is a long time,

0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:11.399
<v Speaker 2>like I thank it's worked to this to this extent.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it certainly has. It's always so interesting hearing people

0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:18.399
<v Speaker 1>that have had great success in a certain field for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time. And two decades is a long time

0:23:20.840 --> 0:23:24.560
<v Speaker 1>in any industry, definitely in this industry. What what the

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<v Speaker 1>guiding light was? I think I think fun, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>great one.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you've got to go with fun and just

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<v Speaker 2>remember that you don't it's not a right, like you

0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:36.119
<v Speaker 2>don't deserve a TV show. I've never felt that, well

0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:38.840
<v Speaker 2>you don't. It's not you don't have the right to

0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:41.800
<v Speaker 2>be on TV or like, no one owes it to you.

0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:44.879
<v Speaker 2>So if it happens, that's great. And if it doesn't

0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:49.159
<v Speaker 2>happen and you and you tried hard, that's fine as well.

0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:51.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, the industries are like riddled with a bunch

0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:53.480
<v Speaker 2>of luck and a bunch of things you can't control.

0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:56.560
<v Speaker 2>So I also do think for anyone that has had longevity,

0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:01.240
<v Speaker 2>I think it's your responsibility to acknowledge luck in the process,

0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:03.600
<v Speaker 2>which isn't to say you didn't work hard, didn't try hard,

0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:06.879
<v Speaker 2>didn't take risks, didn't put it on the line in

0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:10.119
<v Speaker 2>a calculated way when you had to. You can do it.

0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:11.640
<v Speaker 2>There are plenty of people that do all those things though,

0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:14.800
<v Speaker 2>and it's just not there's a bunch of stuff out

0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:16.840
<v Speaker 2>they control and it's bad timing. So I think you

0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:19.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of owe it to the industry to go Anyone

0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:22.480
<v Speaker 2>that ends up lasting a long time has to have

0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:25.479
<v Speaker 2>had a certain amount of luck, plus the preparation and

0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:27.080
<v Speaker 2>the hard working the other things that you also, I

0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:29.640
<v Speaker 2>think do need to last.

0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:32.200
<v Speaker 1>When you come back on and we do the bonus

0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:37.560
<v Speaker 1>episode to discuss the existentialist conversation that you were tempted

0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:39.800
<v Speaker 1>to go down, let's talk about luck as well, because

0:24:39.840 --> 0:24:42.320
<v Speaker 1>I agree with everything, and I think it's such a.

0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:43.960
<v Speaker 2>You have to because there are a lot of people

0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:47.280
<v Speaker 2>out there that did everything they could in their power,

0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:51.400
<v Speaker 2>and that's the brutal. You know, it's a very chancey industry,

0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:54.320
<v Speaker 2>as you know, you've watched it, written about it, and

0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:56.840
<v Speaker 2>it is unfortunately bit of a winner takes all too like.

0:24:56.880 --> 0:25:01.240
<v Speaker 2>There's only a few few spots, and then there's plenty

0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:03.320
<v Speaker 2>of people just underneath that who were just as good

0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:06.000
<v Speaker 2>and for whatever reason it wasn't, it didn't happen.

0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:09.639
<v Speaker 1>I love hearing it from somebody that is in a

0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:12.480
<v Speaker 1>position to say a lux being an element because I

0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:14.439
<v Speaker 1>often think because it was a little bit of verse

0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:16.720
<v Speaker 1>sort of I want to get into generational warfare, but

0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:18.719
<v Speaker 1>like a bit of verse, sort of a millennial thing

0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:21.640
<v Speaker 1>going on for a while, where it was luck's got

0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:23.720
<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with it. And I always think that's

0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:27.600
<v Speaker 1>probably something that lucky people say. And I say that

0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:30.399
<v Speaker 1>as someone that's also had periods of great lucky in

0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:33.920
<v Speaker 1>my life, but say that to an unlucky person, that

0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:35.080
<v Speaker 1>there's no such thing as.

0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:36.600
<v Speaker 2>Luck exactly what I have. And I think there's a

0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:38.520
<v Speaker 2>perception to like, if you say it's luck, then you're

0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:41.120
<v Speaker 2>not like you're somehow discrediting any of the hard work,

0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:43.440
<v Speaker 2>but that both are true, like you can two things

0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:44.720
<v Speaker 2>can be big thing.

0:25:45.080 --> 0:25:49.080
<v Speaker 1>And then for twenty years, as the industry as a whole,

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:51.920
<v Speaker 1>I know it would be tempting for me to put

0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:54.399
<v Speaker 1>my sort of TV geek hat on here, so I

0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:56.320
<v Speaker 1>try not to make it too industry, but i'd love

0:25:56.359 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 1>to get your observations. Hamish talking a little bit about

0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:03.160
<v Speaker 1>the landscape Lego Masters is dropping in twenty twenty four,

0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:07.960
<v Speaker 1>and talked a bit about that splintering in those twenty years.

0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:11.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you must have just seen such disruption, as

0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:14.679
<v Speaker 1>have we all across all the genres, but specifically TV.

0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:20.080
<v Speaker 1>You and Andy have recently been announced as ambassadors of Hubble.

0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 1>That technology alone. I mean, what does that say about

0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:26.600
<v Speaker 1>the changing consumption? That's theory habits.

0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:30.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's a rapidly shifting world. And I think

0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:33.920
<v Speaker 2>we all know. I mean everyone in everyone making TV

0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 2>is also a consumer, so everyone knows it from the

0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:39.160
<v Speaker 2>consumption side, and there are periods in TV. I don't

0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:40.679
<v Speaker 2>think we're in right now, but there have been patches

0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:44.520
<v Speaker 2>in TV where you're like, I consume this really differently

0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:50.359
<v Speaker 2>than the way we make it, And I think Hubble

0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:52.200
<v Speaker 2>is a great example of something like that catching up.

0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:57.040
<v Speaker 2>It's funny, there is a fair bit of full circle

0:26:57.080 --> 0:27:00.560
<v Speaker 2>going on. But you know, Hubble is obviously made by Foxtel,

0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:05.040
<v Speaker 2>who do Kale and Binge and and have the weight

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 2>I suppose, or like the technological ability to do something

0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 2>like that. So in essence, if Hubble, the way I

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 2>describe to people is if you've sat on the couch

0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:18.440
<v Speaker 2>and you're like, why can't you just search for something

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:20.200
<v Speaker 2>rightout having to like jump in and out of apps

0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:21.720
<v Speaker 2>and all that sort of thing. That is what hubble is,

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 2>so it sort of brings everything back together. I think

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:28.280
<v Speaker 2>that's a great reflection of a technology kind of meeting

0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:31.280
<v Speaker 2>people where they are on the couch going this is

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:34.919
<v Speaker 2>what we want, so you know, and that that is

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:38.200
<v Speaker 2>amazing too. When we think back to where we started,

0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 2>like you know, that first Hamishanity show two thousand and five.

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:43.080
<v Speaker 2>I think it was like you know, seven thirty or

0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:47.240
<v Speaker 2>eight thirty at nine or something on Channel seven, and

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:50.480
<v Speaker 2>I remember we got when you're in TV. It's funny

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:53.960
<v Speaker 2>when you're in TV you care about the ratings, not

0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:55.920
<v Speaker 2>that much, but to the extent like we talked about before,

0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:58.040
<v Speaker 2>like if you rate high enough, you get to go again.

0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:01.480
<v Speaker 2>It's not like you don't like a dollar for every

0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:04.919
<v Speaker 2>rating or whatever. So no one. I never really understand

0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 2>whe people cared that much because I'm like, you know,

0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:10.040
<v Speaker 2>well who cares? There's good stuff on. My question was

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:12.840
<v Speaker 2>always like can we keep doing it? And if the

0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:14.680
<v Speaker 2>answer to that easy, yes, I kind of don't really

0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:16.960
<v Speaker 2>care about ratings after that. But I remember back in

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:19.920
<v Speaker 2>that those Channel seven days we got acxed because we

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:24.520
<v Speaker 2>had fallen below like a an inconceivably low mark, which

0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:26.440
<v Speaker 2>and this means nothing to anyone, because no one ever

0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:28.480
<v Speaker 2>looks at the ratings except people that are in television

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:31.280
<v Speaker 2>or write about television. But there's back in those days,

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:34.760
<v Speaker 2>it was like your five city capital number had to

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:37.399
<v Speaker 2>be a million, and that was like minimum. This is

0:28:37.400 --> 0:28:39.239
<v Speaker 2>in the days when Master Chef finales were doing like

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:42.479
<v Speaker 2>three million viewers and stuff, and like, you know, if

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:45.160
<v Speaker 2>Kathy Freeman had been cooking something while she's ratting one

0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:47.840
<v Speaker 2>hundred meters, it'd be like a ten million viewer event.

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 2>So the four hundred meters, so we'd like dropped to

0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:55.080
<v Speaker 2>like under eight hundred thousand, and it was like, oh

0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:56.920
<v Speaker 2>my god, that's almost no one watching. And then we

0:28:57.000 --> 0:28:59.520
<v Speaker 2>dropped under six hundred. I think I think we we

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:02.719
<v Speaker 2>rate it in the six hundreds. And then the network

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:06.240
<v Speaker 2>was like the way it was, the way the mood was,

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:09.600
<v Speaker 2>it was like this is never like we cannot believe this.

0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 2>This has never happened in the history of television. We

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 2>can't believe this is this is like every Formula one

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 2>car crushing at once for a race, Like this is

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:20.640
<v Speaker 2>a disaster. So they're like, well, you know, we have

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.040
<v Speaker 2>to like we just can't, like there's no way, there's

0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:25.719
<v Speaker 2>no way we could make money from something the six hundreds. Anyway,

0:29:25.720 --> 0:29:27.960
<v Speaker 2>we laugh about that now because like, as you would know,

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 2>that would easily be the most popular.

0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 1>So they're good numbers.

0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 2>That's like you're getting billboards for six like that's maths numbers.

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:39.480
<v Speaker 2>So we it's so funny. We look back, like the

0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 2>way it was sold was like, guys, you know, what

0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:43.040
<v Speaker 2>have you done? Like you've absolutely shited the bed here

0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 2>like this, this is just unacceptable. But that kind of

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:49.840
<v Speaker 2>we always you know, that's the yardstick that now we're

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 2>looking at going these days, that's a totally that's a

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:57.840
<v Speaker 2>celebrated number because there's just fine. I think there's like

0:29:57.880 --> 0:29:59.560
<v Speaker 2>a new rating system this year that I haven't really

0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:02.040
<v Speaker 2>looked into too much, but I know moving they know

0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:05.400
<v Speaker 2>they're moving around to kind of reflect how people watch it,

0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:08.520
<v Speaker 2>because for many years I was like, wow, like you know,

0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:13.280
<v Speaker 2>catch Up should absolutely be included only, and I mean

0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 2>we're always biased about how you watch it at home,

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:17.960
<v Speaker 2>but I'm like, I'm never watching stuff at the time,

0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:20.800
<v Speaker 2>but I still like it. So when people be like,

0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, your show's rated this, and then later on

0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:25.320
<v Speaker 2>we'll tell you how many people watched it on catch

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:27.120
<v Speaker 2>Up as if that doesn't matter. I'm like, well, I'm

0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:29.520
<v Speaker 2>a catch up person and I love shows that I

0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:32.600
<v Speaker 2>watch on catch up, so it's still it still matters.

0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:37.040
<v Speaker 2>That's so that's a I think I think it's moving

0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 2>now to Fativa to reflect that, and there's like a

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 2>new way to report numbers kind of includes all of that,

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 2>but it kind of has to move in that way

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:47.680
<v Speaker 2>because that's that's how we're watching TV. Like it is

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 2>a very I don't think my kids, I don't think

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 2>our kids are our generation will ever understand when we're like,

0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 2>so the show's on at eight thirty, and if you're

0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:58.200
<v Speaker 2>not there, you miss it.

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 1>They get so straighted if something slow happens or they

0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:07.160
<v Speaker 1>want to skip through a commercial or something. And then

0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 1>it's like, well, back in my day when I was

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Karen Cole to school, we had to sit there and

0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:16.400
<v Speaker 1>you had one opportunity to watch it exactly on.

0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:19.400
<v Speaker 2>One of things, on one of three pipes, I mean,

0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 2>or the ABC if it was the bill on a

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Saturday night.

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 1>It's the is a fascinating in nineteen years that story

0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:33.400
<v Speaker 1>of those ratings, and also the flip side of that

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:37.280
<v Speaker 1>is if that had happened today, that your show would

0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:39.960
<v Speaker 1>have been getting clipped and the clips from that show

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:42.680
<v Speaker 1>of you and Andy would have been going viral on TikTok,

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 1>and in addition to the catch up totally, there would

0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:48.320
<v Speaker 1>have been a lot of talk ability around it.

0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:50.120
<v Speaker 2>And that's the other thing too, Like I know we're

0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:54.120
<v Speaker 2>here to pump up TV, but people people come into

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:57.280
<v Speaker 2>like it just so happens. Like, you know, we grew

0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 2>up in an air where TV was the option, Like

0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 2>there's no there was no YouTube. YouTube didn't coming two

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:05.600
<v Speaker 2>We've been in TV for like ten years, so there

0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:08.959
<v Speaker 2>was no YouTube, no TikTok, no Instagram, there was no

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:13.560
<v Speaker 2>other way like the we did community TV first, and

0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 2>that like we thought we were the luckiest people in

0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:17.760
<v Speaker 2>the world because we were allowed to film things and

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:19.680
<v Speaker 2>edit them and then you could see them back like

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 2>and again. In a pool of probably tens of thousands

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 2>of people that wanted to do that, we were some

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:27.080
<v Speaker 2>of the few dozen that were like allowed to be

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:31.200
<v Speaker 2>on community TV. So like we're like, oh, we've hit

0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:33.320
<v Speaker 2>the jackpot here because we've got a chance to practice.

0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:37.120
<v Speaker 2>But like now that is completely times a million available

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 2>on your phone and kids just innately know how to

0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:42.160
<v Speaker 2>film things, know how to edit stuff, know how to

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 2>create because you kind of were like, it's it's there's entertainment,

0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:48.400
<v Speaker 2>but there's also just attention. Like people know how to

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 2>get attention now and that is really that's the game,

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:55.280
<v Speaker 2>and it's a TV show is one way to get attention.

0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:57.680
<v Speaker 2>But you have to acknowledge your you're kind of you

0:32:57.920 --> 0:33:00.360
<v Speaker 2>if you if you're someone that owns a TV which

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:02.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm not, but I'd be like, all right, we make

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.160
<v Speaker 2>a thing that is to try and get people's attention,

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 2>but we're also battling against many other things that are

0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:09.800
<v Speaker 2>trying to get people's attention, not just other TV shows.

0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:12.080
<v Speaker 1>And we'll be back in a moment to find out

0:33:12.120 --> 0:33:15.000
<v Speaker 1>from the man himself what really happened when Sonya Krueger

0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:17.840
<v Speaker 1>made a joke about Hamish in her Gold Logi acceptance

0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:23.720
<v Speaker 1>speech last year. Another thing that has reflected the rapidly

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:26.840
<v Speaker 1>evolving change and disruption of the TV industry is the

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 1>Logi Awards, an Australian institution, and as I'm sure you

0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:33.960
<v Speaker 1>have seen Hamish for our listeners that aren't across it,

0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:39.440
<v Speaker 1>they've recently announced that they're changing the categories and essentially.

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Can you catch me up on this because I did

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:42.640
<v Speaker 2>hear whispers. I haven't looked into it yet.

0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:45.800
<v Speaker 1>Yes, So in addition to doing my son's history assignment

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:48.600
<v Speaker 1>last night, I also did catch up on LOGI awards.

0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 1>So my understanding is that they are going to be overhauling.

0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 1>It used to be the most popular and the most

0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:58.320
<v Speaker 1>outstanding categories, okay, And so the popular was obviously voted

0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:01.080
<v Speaker 1>on by fans and the outsta was voted on by

0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:05.440
<v Speaker 1>a jury of Australian TV industry professionals. The changes are

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:09.480
<v Speaker 1>being revolved to reflect the changing nature of the industry,

0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:11.840
<v Speaker 1>and I would also assume the way that people consume

0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 1>content and they will actually be a hybrid of those

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 1>and instead of most popular and outstanding, it will be.

0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Best okay, So he's no more outstanding.

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 1>Correct, Okay. Now the Gold Logi, which is obviously an

0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 1>award that you have won twice, that will still be

0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:34.360
<v Speaker 1>presented under the most popular banner, with the nominees decided

0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 1>by independent industry experts and then voted on by the public.

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:40.840
<v Speaker 2>I think that's how I mean that's chopped and changed

0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 2>over the years, but I think that's how it was

0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 2>done in the last couple of years.

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:46.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know what this means for Tom Gleeson.

0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:48.880
<v Speaker 2>I reckon there was some chobbing and changing off that

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:51.560
<v Speaker 2>because I might get this wrong, but and I've always

0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:55.399
<v Speaker 2>had it, like just enjoyed this as a sport, right

0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:59.359
<v Speaker 2>to watch, because they were like, all right, you can

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:01.560
<v Speaker 2>to vote for. The nominees used to be able to

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.760
<v Speaker 2>be like put someone forward, and essentially the goal logging

0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:08.719
<v Speaker 2>nominees in quotation mark were just the people that had polled.

0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Very complicated. I don't think it's ever been simple that.

0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:14.640
<v Speaker 2>From what I remember, it was like the these are

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:18.319
<v Speaker 2>like the six people that have polled the highest thus far.

0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:21.600
<v Speaker 2>We will now. It just makes me laugh because it's

0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:24.840
<v Speaker 2>like it sounds like the Duckworth Lewis system always in cricket,

0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:27.399
<v Speaker 2>or like how you decide to tie in a golf game.

0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:31.560
<v Speaker 2>So it's like, we will now continue voting for one month. Again,

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:36.400
<v Speaker 2>I think for like everything's shut. Everything's now closed, and

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 2>the nominee, say for Best Actor, almost popular Actor, the

0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:41.920
<v Speaker 2>winner is already in there, but we're going to show

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:44.720
<v Speaker 2>you the top five people. But the winner has already

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 2>pulled those votes. So everything shut except gold LOGI nominee

0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:50.560
<v Speaker 2>these which will keep open and you can continue to

0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 2>vote for them. I don't know if you could vote

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:55.239
<v Speaker 2>if you've already voted or whatever. But and of course

0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:58.120
<v Speaker 2>that's done by the Logi's like keep the interest up

0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:02.400
<v Speaker 2>to the night what like. You know, it's not certainly

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:04.560
<v Speaker 2>not my place to overhaul the logis. It sounds like

0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:07.480
<v Speaker 2>I tell you what it does take into account, you know,

0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:10.640
<v Speaker 2>And I say this with two hats on. One is

0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:13.040
<v Speaker 2>someone that has had people vote for them before, so

0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:15.799
<v Speaker 2>you're grateful for the people that could be bothered doing that.

0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:19.400
<v Speaker 2>But then also as someone who's sat at the logis

0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:24.879
<v Speaker 2>and gone, well, the most popular show category was always

0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 2>an interesting category because you're like, we have a system

0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:32.800
<v Speaker 2>for that. It's ratings, like that's that's kind of the system.

0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:35.800
<v Speaker 2>We have little boxes and I don't know if anyone

0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:38.200
<v Speaker 2>knows this or not, but we there's a system. You

0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:41.440
<v Speaker 2>don't have to relog onto a website somewhere to confirm

0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:44.399
<v Speaker 2>that you watched an episode of Survivor or whatever. So

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:47.880
<v Speaker 2>it has always that's always been a source of kind

0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:49.759
<v Speaker 2>of like amusement amongst people to be like, how do

0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:51.719
<v Speaker 2>you do this? How do you decide this? So it

0:36:51.760 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 2>sounds like there's a mix of like ratings numbers and

0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:56.719
<v Speaker 2>then people voting. Because I will say this, it's like

0:36:57.239 --> 0:37:00.480
<v Speaker 2>whether you win, don't win, whatever, it's still like, I

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:02.360
<v Speaker 2>think it's great to have the logis when need you know,

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:06.359
<v Speaker 2>you have to have it's as an industry, it's great

0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:08.839
<v Speaker 2>to have something. It's obviously better to have them than not,

0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:12.840
<v Speaker 2>I think, to recognize there's much great work that happens.

0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:15.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying it doesn't. I don't need it doesn't.

0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:18.560
<v Speaker 2>This is not me saying I want a LOGI this

0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:20.759
<v Speaker 2>is me saying I think it's great, especially for crews

0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:23.320
<v Speaker 2>and especially for teams that make shows, like it's a

0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:27.960
<v Speaker 2>great moment of recognition for those people. But the voting

0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:31.040
<v Speaker 2>system was always like you voted the highest, but it's

0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:34.239
<v Speaker 2>not mandatory for strains to vote, like you voted the

0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:37.680
<v Speaker 2>highest of the people that could be bothered voting, And

0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:40.799
<v Speaker 2>that's a really different thing necessary. It's true, this is true,

0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:42.840
<v Speaker 2>So I'd say that's what they're trying to address. So

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:44.759
<v Speaker 2>even with the gold loggie, again I say this with

0:37:45.239 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 2>much gratitude for having people that could be bothered voting

0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:53.160
<v Speaker 2>and for selecting me on those years. But again I

0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:55.799
<v Speaker 2>think there was eight people. I think there's eight people

0:37:55.800 --> 0:37:57.640
<v Speaker 2>that are up for the goal, and if you do

0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:00.040
<v Speaker 2>the maths on that right, you could win if it

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:02.000
<v Speaker 2>was a very even race. You can win an eight

0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:05.880
<v Speaker 2>horse race with thirteen percent of the vote. So again,

0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:07.680
<v Speaker 2>I think you just have to keep it in context

0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:10.719
<v Speaker 2>a little bit because I'm not like I definitely am

0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:12.919
<v Speaker 2>not of the school that wants to stand and be like, yes,

0:38:13.000 --> 0:38:15.520
<v Speaker 2>yes I got this, I knew it, I'm the best.

0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:18.320
<v Speaker 2>I think you have to stay a little bit realistic

0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:20.840
<v Speaker 2>to go technically. I could have won this with like,

0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:25.040
<v Speaker 2>let's say, fifteen percent of those who voted, so I'm

0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:28.880
<v Speaker 2>well aware there'd be like one hundred millions of people

0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:30.839
<v Speaker 2>out there going I didn't vote for that guy. So

0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:32.719
<v Speaker 2>it's lovely, but I think you have to kind of

0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:33.680
<v Speaker 2>also keep it in context.

0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:37.240
<v Speaker 1>It's like every election, isn't it. Every federal election, stay election,

0:38:37.440 --> 0:38:40.239
<v Speaker 1>at least forty percent of the people voted for the

0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:42.000
<v Speaker 1>something else and woman.

0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:43.640
<v Speaker 2>I think that's why as Aussie is you have that

0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:46.399
<v Speaker 2>reaction to be like, I don't vote for that, Like statistically,

0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:49.560
<v Speaker 2>definitely the majority didn't vote for you. If you win

0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:52.520
<v Speaker 2>the Gold Logie, like I would love you never get

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:54.840
<v Speaker 2>to see the numbers. But I would bet the farm

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:57.319
<v Speaker 2>that no one's everyone with fifty one percent of the

0:38:57.360 --> 0:39:01.480
<v Speaker 2>vote in an eight person race. Interesting, there's just no way.

0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:05.600
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, you're right. That would be beyond

0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:08.399
<v Speaker 1>time because then what would the other seven get?

0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:10.920
<v Speaker 2>That's right, it would have to be I can't even

0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:12.800
<v Speaker 2>think of anyone like that. It would have to be

0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:15.160
<v Speaker 2>basically like Taylor Swift, who was like, oh come if

0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:16.880
<v Speaker 2>you've wn't for me, and then she would win with

0:39:16.920 --> 0:39:17.720
<v Speaker 2>like ninety eight percent.

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:20.759
<v Speaker 1>Maybe Taylor Swift will somehow wrangle on the generation for

0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Gold LOGI twenty twenty four.

0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:25.160
<v Speaker 2>I think it's it's great. It's obviously way above my

0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:27.120
<v Speaker 2>pay grade. These are people that think about it a lot.

0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:29.319
<v Speaker 2>I think we of course, like you know, it's great

0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:31.800
<v Speaker 2>for the industry and for the people that make shows,

0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:36.239
<v Speaker 2>especially to have a night and have the logis. And

0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:38.200
<v Speaker 2>I love a big fan of tradition, and I like

0:39:38.360 --> 0:39:40.319
<v Speaker 2>the idea that we can keep the tradition going. I

0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:43.759
<v Speaker 2>think it's I think, by and large, if you had

0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:46.040
<v Speaker 2>to pick between, do you would try and adapt to

0:39:47.880 --> 0:39:52.200
<v Speaker 2>a more reflective system or do you just like steadfastly

0:39:52.239 --> 0:39:53.799
<v Speaker 2>stay the same I think it's great that they're having

0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:54.840
<v Speaker 2>a go at adapting.

0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, same here and look big fan of the logis,

0:39:57.440 --> 0:39:59.399
<v Speaker 1>love the logis. I used to work for TV weeks.

0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:03.839
<v Speaker 1>Still don't really understand the voting. People used to ask

0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:04.799
<v Speaker 1>me when I woke, But.

0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:06.960
<v Speaker 2>It changed, right, It would change year on year, like

0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:09.680
<v Speaker 2>the gold would change and correct.

0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:11.239
<v Speaker 1>And then there was the year as you were just

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:15.480
<v Speaker 1>talking about where then the voting stayed open until very

0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:18.279
<v Speaker 1>late because it used to close very very early on

0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:19.920
<v Speaker 1>because TV we would go to print.

0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Like I was actually speaking to someone. This probably won't

0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:27.800
<v Speaker 2>get printed because it's it's from news Corp. But they said,

0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:29.759
<v Speaker 2>like when I won the Gold Logi, they were like, well,

0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:33.040
<v Speaker 2>you just won. You won the Gold Logi because back

0:40:33.080 --> 0:40:34.760
<v Speaker 2>in the day, I can't remember what year it was, was

0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:36.600
<v Speaker 2>around about twenty and eleven or twelve or something and

0:40:36.600 --> 0:40:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Facebook was pretty new. They're like, you asked people to

0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:43.800
<v Speaker 2>vote on Facebook and that's unfair. And I was like, yeah,

0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:46.040
<v Speaker 2>like we put something on the Hami Shady page and

0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 2>most was like yeah, but isn't it like a popularity

0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:52.520
<v Speaker 2>contest And they were like ye, but you use social

0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:55.799
<v Speaker 2>media and that's that's a that's an unfair advantage for

0:40:55.840 --> 0:40:57.359
<v Speaker 2>people that don't have social media. I'm like, all right,

0:40:57.400 --> 0:41:00.359
<v Speaker 2>I said, hang on a sec. Didn't Channel ten didn't

0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:03.600
<v Speaker 2>I see a full page ad in the newspaper for

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:05.840
<v Speaker 2>someone and I won't name who, but someone on Channel

0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:07.640
<v Speaker 2>ten that year taken out like a full page ad

0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:10.640
<v Speaker 2>because we put something very small up as a joke, right,

0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:12.480
<v Speaker 2>because we're like, what a funny thing to be nominated

0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:14.440
<v Speaker 2>for gold Loggie. So it's not like we ran a

0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:18.399
<v Speaker 2>full fledged campaign, but we'd had mentioned something on social media.

0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:19.920
<v Speaker 2>So I was like, didn't every Channel ten to take

0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:21.839
<v Speaker 2>a full page ad? And they're like, yeah, but that's

0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:24.640
<v Speaker 2>in the newspaper. I was like, you're not saying that

0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:27.600
<v Speaker 2>my Facebook page is more powerful than a full page ad,

0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:30.760
<v Speaker 2>are you, because like maybe we should sell our Facebook page.

0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:33.600
<v Speaker 2>And then it got awkward and then then he was like, well,

0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:36.359
<v Speaker 2>I just think the newspaper's fair because I was like,

0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:38.520
<v Speaker 2>I really don't see the difference, to be honest. I

0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:40.600
<v Speaker 2>was like and he was like, yeah, we just have

0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:42.399
<v Speaker 2>so many people following you on social media. I was like, yeah,

0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:44.600
<v Speaker 2>but again, isn't like the gold log.

0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Paper is hopefully read by a lot of people too.

0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:49.839
<v Speaker 2>I don't really understand the argument we're having here.

0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:55.759
<v Speaker 1>I think the observation that campaigning or lobbying for a

0:41:55.800 --> 0:42:00.719
<v Speaker 1>LOGI vote on social media has aged really well sizing that.

0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't you agree that's the hope of the whole hope

0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:08.680
<v Speaker 2>of the logis is like, please campaign.

0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:11.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what reported that was, but I feel

0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:13.759
<v Speaker 1>like Tom Gleason just went up to them a couple

0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:16.439
<v Speaker 1>of years after that and said, oh, my beer. Don't

0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:19.640
<v Speaker 1>you think last year you did not win the Gold

0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:23.719
<v Speaker 1>LOGI Sonya Krueger did. She of course made an acceptance

0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:26.799
<v Speaker 1>speech where she I was about to say, attempted a joke,

0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:28.560
<v Speaker 1>and I thought that sounds mean, but I think Sonya

0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:31.200
<v Speaker 1>would be the first person to say I attempted a joke.

0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:35.279
<v Speaker 1>It didn't go well. In fact, she actually addressed that

0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:38.720
<v Speaker 1>whole incident a few weeks later in a column for Stella.

0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Her words here, I tried to crack a few jokes

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:44.680
<v Speaker 1>that in my head were funny, but went down like

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:48.200
<v Speaker 1>a lead balloon with the equally exhausted audience. For people

0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:52.960
<v Speaker 1>that don't remember, Sonia was talking about how Hamish, who

0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:55.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people had assumed would win the Gold

0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:57.560
<v Speaker 1>again would have been a back to back victory after

0:42:57.640 --> 0:43:01.960
<v Speaker 1>winning the year previously. An agent and how the agent

0:43:02.040 --> 0:43:05.680
<v Speaker 1>had been saying, people are a little over Hamish. The

0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:07.759
<v Speaker 1>room was a bit going, what's going on here? And

0:43:07.840 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 1>then she was clarifying, I'm just joking. It didn't really

0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:15.080
<v Speaker 1>say that, Hamish. You of course, the camera cut to

0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:18.879
<v Speaker 1>you as it does. You haven't won the goal, then

0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:22.360
<v Speaker 1>this happens. What was going through your mind?

0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:26.160
<v Speaker 2>I know, pause on a real confluence of unlucky events.

0:43:26.680 --> 0:43:30.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, first of all, I mean we've got to

0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:32.800
<v Speaker 2>say this right at the top. I know she's joking.

0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:34.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't care for I didn't care for two seconds,

0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:38.560
<v Speaker 2>like I feel really bad that. I mean, the mood

0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:40.640
<v Speaker 2>of the night of logies is like more and more

0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:42.560
<v Speaker 2>the media are like, yeah, yeah, great, you guys all

0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:44.879
<v Speaker 2>got together and gave each other awards. Who cares? Who

0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:47.480
<v Speaker 2>messed up? We want to we want we need a scandal.

0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:50.879
<v Speaker 2>And that is that's the reporting. No one's the media

0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:52.759
<v Speaker 2>out there to be like this is lovely, you guys

0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:55.759
<v Speaker 2>look great. All these like really privileged people should give

0:43:55.800 --> 0:43:58.760
<v Speaker 2>each other awards and have an even better night. Don't

0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:01.200
<v Speaker 2>care about that. So they're like someone's got to mess up,

0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:03.920
<v Speaker 2>and unfortunately, like they were like, okay, that's it, like

0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:06.319
<v Speaker 2>we we've decided like that's the bit, like we're going

0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:09.920
<v Speaker 2>to jump on that, unbeknownst to me. Unfortunately, I just

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:11.960
<v Speaker 2>didn't care at all. So the unfortunately, I think the

0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:14.000
<v Speaker 2>camera cut to me and I went for a joke

0:44:14.040 --> 0:44:16.319
<v Speaker 2>of my own, which was pretend to be shocked, like

0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:18.920
<v Speaker 2>doing sort of like a fake what like as in

0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:21.360
<v Speaker 2>like I can't believe I'm hearing that my manager thinks this,

0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:25.480
<v Speaker 2>and then laughing afterwards because I'm joking around with Andy

0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:27.600
<v Speaker 2>and my wife sitting next to me. So but the

0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:29.919
<v Speaker 2>camera had cut away by the time we're laughing at

0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Sonya's joke. So to the rumor probably looks like okay,

0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:35.080
<v Speaker 2>that's you know, that hasn't gone that well. But I

0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:38.160
<v Speaker 2>didn't care at all. You got to remember in the room,

0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:41.440
<v Speaker 2>it's often much different than like whatever an article decides

0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:45.480
<v Speaker 2>is like okay, this is the scandal. Foolishly or not.

0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:49.359
<v Speaker 2>I'd sometimes take like weeks off Instagram, so I just

0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:53.120
<v Speaker 2>wasn't on social media. Like we finished the night and again,

0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:56.480
<v Speaker 2>love that Sonya one. She deserves it. It was great.

0:44:57.040 --> 0:45:00.759
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't I wasn't trying to, I wasn't campaigning. I

0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:02.680
<v Speaker 2>didn't I would be very grateful to win, but I

0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:05.840
<v Speaker 2>was not upset because that's the funny thing about the

0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:09.000
<v Speaker 2>god loggire, like you don't don't, you don't enter, you

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:11.319
<v Speaker 2>don't ask to be nominated. It's just something that pops up,

0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:12.799
<v Speaker 2>and if it happens, it happens. And if it's not,

0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:15.719
<v Speaker 2>that's great to go to someone else. So yeah, I

0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:17.839
<v Speaker 2>was like, great, we can go home. Like I went home.

0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:20.560
<v Speaker 2>I when cuddled my daughter in bed, and I was

0:45:20.600 --> 0:45:23.080
<v Speaker 2>actually sitting there thinking this is so nice. This is great.

0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:25.759
<v Speaker 2>I get to like lie here, I don't have to

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:27.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not doing media. I don't have to wake up

0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:31.000
<v Speaker 2>in the morning do the today. Like there's again, I'm

0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:33.440
<v Speaker 2>very grateful for the honor when it happens, if it

0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:36.239
<v Speaker 2>ever happens, but there is a silver lining to not

0:45:36.280 --> 0:45:38.120
<v Speaker 2>having to do media in the next day. So I

0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:40.120
<v Speaker 2>was just having a final time. And then I didn't

0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:43.359
<v Speaker 2>realize until probably a little bit later, like maybe late

0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:45.400
<v Speaker 2>in the next day, and by that stage, like the

0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:47.160
<v Speaker 2>new cyclic gone and I probably should have done the

0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:48.640
<v Speaker 2>right thing. I was propaty should have posted something and

0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:50.880
<v Speaker 2>said I don't care about this at all, but I

0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:53.400
<v Speaker 2>just wasn't paying attention to it. So unfortunately for something

0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:57.400
<v Speaker 2>like the blowback happened. And then I can't remember she

0:45:57.480 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 2>e mailed me or I emailed her, but I kind

0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:02.280
<v Speaker 2>of realized late that next day that she was copying

0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:04.520
<v Speaker 2>heat for this, so I think I maybe emailed her

0:46:04.560 --> 0:46:06.840
<v Speaker 2>and just went, Hey, if this is a bother, I

0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:08.480
<v Speaker 2>don't care at all. I know what it's like to

0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:11.319
<v Speaker 2>be up there. Your mind's racing, You're trying to think

0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:13.360
<v Speaker 2>of something to say. People are exhausted, You're trying to

0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:16.000
<v Speaker 2>think of something funny to say. We'd actually done that

0:46:16.120 --> 0:46:18.399
<v Speaker 2>kind of Joe, We've been on fits in whipper earlier

0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:19.879
<v Speaker 2>in the week, And I think she just was like,

0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:23.839
<v Speaker 2>we did this joke earlier, let's go again. So from

0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:26.399
<v Speaker 2>her perspective, I completely understood all the choices she made

0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:28.640
<v Speaker 2>to be there, and I didn't care at all. Probably

0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:30.719
<v Speaker 2>the only the thing I felt bad about was not

0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:34.920
<v Speaker 2>having enough presence to go this could be a bit

0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:36.799
<v Speaker 2>of blowback for us, so I probably have the chance

0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 2>here to snaffle that. For her, I wasn't really paying attention,

0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:44.960
<v Speaker 2>so unfortunately she I would say like felt a really

0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:50.800
<v Speaker 2>unnecessary amount of heat or pressure over that. To explain

0:46:50.840 --> 0:46:54.759
<v Speaker 2>herself for what was I would say, at best, just

0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 2>a kind of a neutral thing to say, like, it's

0:46:57.719 --> 0:46:59.640
<v Speaker 2>just everyone up on stage is gone for gags the

0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:02.480
<v Speaker 2>whole night right. Some hit, some don't. It's not a

0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:02.839
<v Speaker 2>big deal.

0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:06.200
<v Speaker 1>After the break, I asked Kamish about being in a

0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:09.839
<v Speaker 1>very different life stage to his longtime friend and collaborator

0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Andy Lee. I will have to wrap up to him

0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:14.680
<v Speaker 1>because I'm going to get you over to our cover

0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:17.840
<v Speaker 1>shoot for Stella that is happening after this. You have

0:47:18.040 --> 0:47:20.560
<v Speaker 1>been on the cover of Stellar a couple of times before,

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:23.359
<v Speaker 1>so has your wife Zoe. And in fact, do you

0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:26.920
<v Speaker 1>remember that you photographed Zoey for a feature for Stella

0:47:27.040 --> 0:47:29.799
<v Speaker 1>during lockdown? Of course, you and Zoe were living in

0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:31.680
<v Speaker 1>Melbourne at the time with your family.

0:47:31.840 --> 0:47:35.080
<v Speaker 2>It's amazing I remember it because it to transfer those photos.

0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:37.160
<v Speaker 2>I love Heart of the Morning. You know you pick

0:47:37.200 --> 0:47:39.920
<v Speaker 2>favorites in your photo of them. I love hearted all

0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:42.360
<v Speaker 2>of them just so I could find them. But in

0:47:42.400 --> 0:47:44.120
<v Speaker 2>my day to day life it's quite hard to earn

0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:46.160
<v Speaker 2>a love heart. So when I go to that album

0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:48.040
<v Speaker 2>and it's just always the kids, but it has to

0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:51.080
<v Speaker 2>be like a real keeper. When I go to that album,

0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:54.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, there's like select shots of holidays and moments

0:47:54.800 --> 0:47:57.280
<v Speaker 2>from the kids, and then just like five hundred shots.

0:47:57.400 --> 0:48:00.640
<v Speaker 1>I was a lot there, wouldn't there. I love that

0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:03.080
<v Speaker 1>you've kept them there in the love heart well speaking

0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:03.960
<v Speaker 1>of because.

0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:06.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean, but can I ask you professionally please? They

0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:07.480
<v Speaker 2>were not bad shots.

0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:10.120
<v Speaker 1>They were absolutely I do.

0:48:10.200 --> 0:48:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Like photography, and I was like, let's really try for this, honey.

0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:16.240
<v Speaker 2>So I mean, she was great. She was an amazing

0:48:16.280 --> 0:48:19.480
<v Speaker 2>model to work with, last model I shot. I think

0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:22.239
<v Speaker 2>as a photographer, once you shoot someone that great, you're like,

0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:23.399
<v Speaker 2>I can't beat that.

0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:26.920
<v Speaker 1>That's true. It would be difficult to find somebody to

0:48:26.920 --> 0:48:29.279
<v Speaker 1>top to shoot that. But maybe when she does her

0:48:29.320 --> 0:48:33.200
<v Speaker 1>next Doellar cover you're shooting with Stephen she today, maybe

0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:39.600
<v Speaker 1>cameras correct. You and Zoe will clock up twelve years

0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:43.600
<v Speaker 1>of marriage this year. People have always been very invested

0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:47.480
<v Speaker 1>in your relationship. Is that sweet or does it bring

0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:50.640
<v Speaker 1>a bit of pressure because there's then that expectation that

0:48:50.680 --> 0:48:53.560
<v Speaker 1>you have to live up to the fairy tale ideal

0:48:53.640 --> 0:48:54.640
<v Speaker 1>of total strangers.

0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, to be honest, I never really think about

0:48:57.040 --> 0:49:01.480
<v Speaker 2>that but I mean it's I suppose in their general sense.

0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:04.640
<v Speaker 2>If people wish you, well, that's sweet. If people have

0:49:04.719 --> 0:49:07.920
<v Speaker 2>an unrealistic hope or dream for you to be something

0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:11.320
<v Speaker 2>that isn't isn't real, then I would say that probably

0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:14.520
<v Speaker 2>that probably says more about them than us, and it's

0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:17.360
<v Speaker 2>not something I think about a lot. You know, I

0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:20.000
<v Speaker 2>would say the same thing anyone would say, which is

0:49:20.040 --> 0:49:23.160
<v Speaker 2>just like you know, we every relationship is different because

0:49:24.000 --> 0:49:26.399
<v Speaker 2>no people are different, and so the combination of two

0:49:26.400 --> 0:49:28.319
<v Speaker 2>people is always going to be a unique thing. And

0:49:28.360 --> 0:49:30.799
<v Speaker 2>so you know, you try the best you can. You

0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:33.040
<v Speaker 2>have ups, you have downs, you work on things, you

0:49:33.080 --> 0:49:35.520
<v Speaker 2>come back, you never really feel like you're nailing it,

0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:38.600
<v Speaker 2>and then but you're always in there to keep going.

0:49:38.880 --> 0:49:41.560
<v Speaker 2>And so I wouldn't say the other people's opinion of

0:49:41.600 --> 0:49:45.640
<v Speaker 2>our relationship is anything that takes up too much mental

0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:46.520
<v Speaker 2>space to be.

0:49:46.440 --> 0:49:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Honest, possibly your other significant other, well my words, Andy Lee.

0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:55.400
<v Speaker 1>We've talked a little bit about your long standing friendship

0:49:55.440 --> 0:49:59.759
<v Speaker 1>and of course your professional partnership collaboration. He was on

0:49:59.760 --> 0:50:03.560
<v Speaker 1>the of Stella in August twenty twenty two with his

0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:09.160
<v Speaker 1>partner Rebecca Harding. We shot them on location in the mansion.

0:50:09.480 --> 0:50:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Apparently it was.

0:50:11.120 --> 0:50:11.680
<v Speaker 2>And it was.

0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:15.359
<v Speaker 1>Look, it was a beautiful shoot. And Andy told Stella

0:50:15.520 --> 0:50:18.120
<v Speaker 1>in the course of that interview that you and he

0:50:18.200 --> 0:50:21.279
<v Speaker 1>were in different life stages. He said they as in,

0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:24.560
<v Speaker 1>you and Zoe have got two little kids generally at

0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:27.400
<v Speaker 1>dinner at six o'clock, whereas Beck and I eat about

0:50:27.400 --> 0:50:30.360
<v Speaker 1>ten thirty pm. So even agreeing on a time to

0:50:30.400 --> 0:50:33.359
<v Speaker 1>eat can be hard, not just with Hamish and Zoe,

0:50:33.480 --> 0:50:35.440
<v Speaker 1>but with a lot of friends who were deep in

0:50:35.480 --> 0:50:39.359
<v Speaker 1>that family time. So we find ourselves gravitating towards our

0:50:39.400 --> 0:50:42.320
<v Speaker 1>younger friends or our gay friends. And in fact, Beck

0:50:42.400 --> 0:50:45.840
<v Speaker 1>also was saying that for her in particular, there's this pressure,

0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:48.560
<v Speaker 1>constant questioning to the two of them, when you're going

0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:50.440
<v Speaker 1>to have kids, when a you're going to quote unquote

0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:53.040
<v Speaker 1>settle down. I'm going to sneak in two questions here,

0:50:54.400 --> 0:50:56.880
<v Speaker 1>What could you tell me about that life cycle?

0:50:57.640 --> 0:51:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Because I'm aware I know life cycle, because I mean,

0:51:01.680 --> 0:51:03.240
<v Speaker 2>we joke about this all the time of the podcast.

0:51:03.360 --> 0:51:06.759
<v Speaker 2>He I mean, just to any parent reading this, like

0:51:08.000 --> 0:51:12.400
<v Speaker 2>imagine every weekend he just wakes up after he's had

0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:17.480
<v Speaker 2>enough sleep, Like what a wild concept? And if he's tired,

0:51:17.680 --> 0:51:19.920
<v Speaker 2>how's this if he wakes up and he's tired, do

0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:21.880
<v Speaker 2>you know what he does? He just goes back to

0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:25.480
<v Speaker 2>sleep and he can because it's quiet because Beck's also asleep.

0:51:25.840 --> 0:51:28.640
<v Speaker 2>That is wild. So yeah, I mean everything else like

0:51:28.719 --> 0:51:31.279
<v Speaker 2>that is a clear indicator of what life cycle we're at.

0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:36.480
<v Speaker 2>But he, you know, he does it well. Again, we're

0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:39.160
<v Speaker 2>just I think the fun part about and and eyes.

0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:41.799
<v Speaker 2>We're very different people but have that have found an

0:51:41.800 --> 0:51:45.440
<v Speaker 2>amazing but on some levels, like we've never met anyone

0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:47.320
<v Speaker 2>more similar, Like there are some parts of a personality

0:51:47.360 --> 0:51:52.440
<v Speaker 2>but completely lock like lego if I may use a

0:51:53.160 --> 0:51:57.200
<v Speaker 2>slight piece of cross promotion, but we're also extremely different pieces.

0:51:57.320 --> 0:51:59.840
<v Speaker 2>So you know, there are this is actually a perfect analogy.

0:52:00.160 --> 0:52:03.000
<v Speaker 2>There are some studs and anti studs that will go together,

0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:07.280
<v Speaker 2>but we're like totally different pieces too. So that's the beauty.

0:52:07.280 --> 0:52:08.879
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a bit of our relationship. I think

0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:12.719
<v Speaker 2>with the bits that we do together, we're in complete lockstep,

0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:15.560
<v Speaker 2>and we love that we have very separate lives too.

0:52:16.680 --> 0:52:19.439
<v Speaker 1>I do love that analogy, and I think it's something

0:52:19.480 --> 0:52:20.960
<v Speaker 1>that we talk to a lot of women on this

0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:24.359
<v Speaker 1>podcast about, is that there's always an assumption that if

0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:27.719
<v Speaker 1>you're in different life stages with someone. Recently, I had

0:52:28.000 --> 0:52:31.040
<v Speaker 1>Pip Edwards and Julie Bishop on the podcast together in

0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:36.080
<v Speaker 1>conversation and obviously they're different ages, live in different parts

0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:40.320
<v Speaker 1>of the country, completely different backgrounds. But also Pip says,

0:52:40.400 --> 0:52:43.720
<v Speaker 1>first and foremost, I'm a mum. Julie Bishop doesn't have children.

0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:47.160
<v Speaker 1>For some people, especially the way we view women, that's

0:52:47.200 --> 0:52:51.160
<v Speaker 1>seen as an obstacle that can't be overcome in a relationship.

0:52:51.200 --> 0:52:54.760
<v Speaker 1>That's I think it's so important that we're calling bs

0:52:55.000 --> 0:52:56.320
<v Speaker 1>on that stereotype.

0:52:56.360 --> 0:52:58.880
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's the fun of life. You just

0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:02.280
<v Speaker 2>have friends from all different walks of life. Now, for myself,

0:53:02.280 --> 0:53:04.040
<v Speaker 2>I'll be like, yeah, first and foremost I'm a dad,

0:53:04.040 --> 0:53:06.719
<v Speaker 2>but I love having a lot of mates. I would have,

0:53:07.280 --> 0:53:11.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, a vast maship. I'd say probably a close.

0:53:11.440 --> 0:53:13.920
<v Speaker 2>It's a pretty even split. I've either got you know,

0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:15.480
<v Speaker 2>we got friends who've got kids the same age, and

0:53:15.560 --> 0:53:18.040
<v Speaker 2>I think you fall into that that becomes easy because

0:53:18.080 --> 0:53:20.320
<v Speaker 2>you're doing similar things. But then there's also plenty of

0:53:20.360 --> 0:53:22.800
<v Speaker 2>mates that don't have kids, and I love those guys

0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:25.680
<v Speaker 2>being in the kids' lives as well because I want

0:53:25.680 --> 0:53:28.920
<v Speaker 2>them to see people of all and same with a

0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:31.640
<v Speaker 2>lot of friends that come in that don't have kids,

0:53:31.719 --> 0:53:33.960
<v Speaker 2>just because you, as a parent, you love your kids

0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:38.239
<v Speaker 2>being exposed to good, fun, positive grown ups that are

0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:40.640
<v Speaker 2>doing lots of different things that aren't all just kind

0:53:40.640 --> 0:53:41.760
<v Speaker 2>of cut from the same cloth.

0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:45.160
<v Speaker 1>And you're saying that your friendship can even withstand if

0:53:45.200 --> 0:53:48.160
<v Speaker 1>you ever wake up at five am because a small

0:53:48.239 --> 0:53:50.880
<v Speaker 1>child has come looking for some water or breakfast, and

0:53:50.960 --> 0:53:53.960
<v Speaker 1>you're thinking, and it's probably only got into bed two

0:53:53.960 --> 0:53:56.480
<v Speaker 1>hours ago, it's probably sleeping till noon. You can even

0:53:56.680 --> 0:53:59.240
<v Speaker 1>withstand that jealousy. That's a solid friendship.

0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:00.680
<v Speaker 2>I can and I'm very happy for him.

0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Final question for you want to ask about how you

0:54:04.040 --> 0:54:07.000
<v Speaker 1>decide what issues that you will or won't speak up on,

0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:10.760
<v Speaker 1>because we're living in a time where certain public figures

0:54:11.239 --> 0:54:14.160
<v Speaker 1>are like, how come you haven't commented on this political

0:54:14.200 --> 0:54:16.360
<v Speaker 1>issue or you need to make some sort of statement

0:54:16.360 --> 0:54:21.480
<v Speaker 1>of where you stand on the wall in Gaza You Hamishad,

0:54:21.800 --> 0:54:24.879
<v Speaker 1>you're an ambassador for Food Bank Victoria. You've lent your

0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:27.760
<v Speaker 1>voice to call on the federal government to fund twelve

0:54:27.800 --> 0:54:31.280
<v Speaker 1>weeks of paid parental leave for fathers and non birthing parents.

0:54:31.640 --> 0:54:36.759
<v Speaker 1>You recently posted about getting a skin check, what do

0:54:36.880 --> 0:54:40.200
<v Speaker 1>you choose that you will or will not speak up?

0:54:40.640 --> 0:54:43.319
<v Speaker 2>I think it's pretty good question. I think it's I

0:54:43.360 --> 0:54:45.320
<v Speaker 2>don't think you can. I think you could if you

0:54:45.400 --> 0:54:47.200
<v Speaker 2>started to go down that slope of like, well, if

0:54:47.239 --> 0:54:49.799
<v Speaker 2>you say one thing about one thing, you then have

0:54:49.840 --> 0:54:53.880
<v Speaker 2>to say something about everything. I think you've also got admit,

0:54:53.960 --> 0:54:57.520
<v Speaker 2>like what do what? There are certain I think the

0:54:57.600 --> 0:55:00.279
<v Speaker 2>general rule is, hey, if it comes into to your

0:55:00.360 --> 0:55:03.919
<v Speaker 2>orbit and it's on your radar. And this would also

0:55:03.960 --> 0:55:05.160
<v Speaker 2>have been like, you know, if you have the time

0:55:05.160 --> 0:55:07.000
<v Speaker 2>that day, do you have the inclination has it? Because

0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:08.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not really personing on social media that much, so

0:55:09.680 --> 0:55:11.239
<v Speaker 2>this would be a different question if I was like

0:55:11.320 --> 0:55:13.560
<v Speaker 2>every day I sit down for two hours and I

0:55:13.680 --> 0:55:16.600
<v Speaker 2>live stream what I'm thinking about. Different situation. But as

0:55:16.600 --> 0:55:19.160
<v Speaker 2>I sort of said before, like it would probably be

0:55:19.239 --> 0:55:22.719
<v Speaker 2>a false read about what does this person care about

0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:24.959
<v Speaker 2>or not care about to just look at someone's social

0:55:25.040 --> 0:55:27.719
<v Speaker 2>media because I do delete it for weeks and things

0:55:27.760 --> 0:55:30.440
<v Speaker 2>are always happening and you're just not doing stuff on

0:55:30.440 --> 0:55:32.480
<v Speaker 2>social media, I guess it doesn't get talked about. So

0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:33.960
<v Speaker 2>for me, I'm like, I think you have to have

0:55:34.000 --> 0:55:37.680
<v Speaker 2>a what for the things that you'd end up talking

0:55:37.680 --> 0:55:41.439
<v Speaker 2>about you have a personal connection and or you have

0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:45.120
<v Speaker 2>those several factors kind of aligned for a moment and

0:55:45.160 --> 0:55:47.480
<v Speaker 2>you're like, all right, I think this could do some

0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:51.520
<v Speaker 2>good in the world to lend your voice to this.

0:55:51.640 --> 0:55:53.120
<v Speaker 2>But by the same time, it doesn't mean that then

0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:56.719
<v Speaker 2>everything else you're against or you have no opinion on.

0:55:58.120 --> 0:56:00.360
<v Speaker 2>I do also, I also think that there are some

0:56:00.440 --> 0:56:02.520
<v Speaker 2>things where you're like, well, I don't think that's what

0:56:03.040 --> 0:56:07.040
<v Speaker 2>my people are coming to my account for or looking

0:56:07.080 --> 0:56:10.200
<v Speaker 2>to me to say, And I think there's value in

0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:14.440
<v Speaker 2>that too. There are many many avenues we can get news, resources, facts,

0:56:15.000 --> 0:56:17.839
<v Speaker 2>and for me personally, in my senses like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not rushing to take a stand on every on

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<v Speaker 2>everything because I don't think I think that would be

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to respond to people. I don't think that's

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<v Speaker 2>necessary for me to do as a Just just because

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<v Speaker 2>you happen to be on social media, I hope.

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<v Speaker 1>You enjoyed that episode of the summer series or something

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about. Make sure you're following us if you're

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<v Speaker 1>not already, because we'll be revisiting some of your favorite

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<v Speaker 1>episodes of the past year until we're back with the

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<v Speaker 1>brand new episode on January twelfth,