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Speaker 1: It was one of the most star studded Sheffid Shield

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Speaker 1: of it all, Australia's Ashes squad was named, then changed

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Speaker 1: and changed again. Welcome to Domesticated. I'm justin Edwards Fox Crickets.

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Speaker 1: Nick Savage is alongside me.

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Speaker 1: Big win for Victoria Revenue South Wales. But that blockbuster

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Speaker 3: At the end of that match, almost at the same time,

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Speaker 2: They were sent for scans.

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Speaker 3: They didn't battle in the fourth innings, so Victoria only

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Speaker 2: In that three hundred run win.

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Speaker 3: And obviously the news has since come out that both

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Speaker 3: She had a lot of storylines to come out of it,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, three hundred runs. We'll talk more about that with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely expects Cameron Green to be playing that first Test.

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Speaker 1: One of those young batters, Campbell Kellaway, scored an excellent

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Speaker 5: to be in three and four for for a little

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Speaker 5: while to come, and even if Smith retires, that's that's

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Speaker 5: there's probably some others who were lining up for that position.

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Speaker 6: So where's the opportunity.

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Speaker 5: It's it's at the top when when Usmand retires. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: we had that that kind of conversation, and you know

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Speaker 5: it was it was a bit of a challenge for

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Speaker 5: him early, but but since I think you know, there

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Speaker 5: was a hundred thanks Queensland at the Gabba and then

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Speaker 5: even the hundred he got at the Whacker last game

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Speaker 5: of the year against Joel Paris, who usually eats up

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Speaker 5: left handed battles for fun at the Whacker. You know

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Speaker 5: that that kind of signaled a what a really good

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Speaker 5: player is.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, that's there's.

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Speaker 5: Been some good conversations in the background and you know,

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Speaker 5: we think he's already made opener.

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Speaker 3: Another one of the exciting younger players in the Victorian

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Speaker 3: side is Fergus O'Neil, who has been pretty much perfect

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Speaker 3: over the last twenty four months in the Shield side.

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Speaker 3: He has murmurs of potentially a test spot coming up

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Speaker 3: in the next couple of years with the Australian side

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Speaker 3: obviously approaching the twilet of their careers, what's going to

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Speaker 3: be the challenge for him and converting his bowling from

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Speaker 3: the domestics set up to international crek because obviously that's

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Speaker 3: a big step up for any fastballer.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, you know, that challenge for Fergus is

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Speaker 5: always his perception that he's just not fast enough, you know,

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Speaker 5: he and on the flatter wickets he might get found out.

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Speaker 6: But you know, I look at Vernon Falander and the

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Speaker 6: success he had.

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Speaker 5: And the style of bowling he had, and that's very

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Speaker 5: similar to Fergus O'Neill. And even from my experience playing

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Speaker 5: in England, you know and seeing those kind of bowlers

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Speaker 5: who are high skill, maybe not the fastest, but they

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Speaker 5: would test your defense pretty much every ball. You know,

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Speaker 5: there's a lot of value in those guys. So you know,

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Speaker 5: I look at the Vernon Falander model and think, well,

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Speaker 5: if he can have success, why can't Fergus. And even

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Speaker 5: even his ability to bowl for long spells day in

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Speaker 5: day out, I think that that stands out amongst the

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Speaker 5: croper bowlers who we're seeing a lot of injuries from

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Speaker 5: as well, so you know, his resilience is going to

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Speaker 5: be important to his armory as well. So yeah, I

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Speaker 5: think he's got all the tools he needs to go

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Speaker 5: on and have a good international career. I just think

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Speaker 5: he needs that chance. But I think if he gets

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Speaker 5: that chance, he's going to show people just how good

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Speaker 5: he is.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Vernon Filanda comparison is a good one, Chris,

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Speaker 1: especially with Australia going to South Africa in October next

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Speaker 1: year for a test tour. Were you're disappointed that the

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Speaker 1: Australian selectors opted for Michael Nissa when Josh Hazerward was injured,

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Speaker 1: rather than giving Fergus an opportunity to at least be

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Speaker 1: in the squad.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I mean I was just because you know, like

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Speaker 5: I like it to be on the journey with Fergus

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Speaker 5: as well, and you know, you want to see you

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Speaker 5: want to see these players that you work with have success.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, there's a bit of disappointment from that aspect.

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Speaker 5: But equally, you know, I think all the players in

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Speaker 5: domestic first class know how good ness is and you know,

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Speaker 5: probably don't begrudge him this opportunity as well.

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Speaker 6: But I think Fergus.

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Speaker 5: Knows that you know, he's going to have to work

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Speaker 5: hard for this opportunity, but you know he'll be ready

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Speaker 5: to go once it comes.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned before that Fergus has the skill set to

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Speaker 3: potentially be really dangerous in the United Kingdom in particular.

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Speaker 3: Would you like to encourage him to hopefully go back

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Speaker 3: and play some more county cricket if the opportunity comes up.

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Speaker 3: He did exceptionally well for his brief stint a few

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Speaker 3: months ago in the UK.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think he's signed a contractor anyway, so I

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Speaker 5: don't think we have much choice in that.

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Speaker 6: But no, no, we're very supportive of all our.

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Speaker 5: Players, you know, taking these opportunities and and and he

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Speaker 5: tried to get better. And I think for him to

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Speaker 5: go over to England work with some of the bowling

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Speaker 5: coaches and see the style of cricket, I think that that's.

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Speaker 6: Going to be really good for him as well.

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Speaker 5: And you know, he came back raving from his experience

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Speaker 5: over with notting him shere early on and just how

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Speaker 5: much he learned even working with a bass I think,

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Speaker 5: you know, he had some really good conversations with him,

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Speaker 5: who's another bowler in a similar type of mold.

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Speaker 6: Who's who's had some good international success.

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Speaker 5: So these are the you know, these are the priceless

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Speaker 5: experiences that they can get when they when they do that.

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Speaker 6: So we'll support that.

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Speaker 1: Fergus is not the only Victorian quick that's turning head.

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Speaker 1: Sam Elliott took five against that star studded New South

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Speaker 1: Wales batting line up and also snagged the wicked of

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Speaker 1: Steve Smith.

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Speaker 4: That's a pretty good one to have on the resume.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that was we weren't expecting Sam to

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Speaker 5: have such a great game, but you know he continues

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Speaker 5: to surprise us with his performances and you know that

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Speaker 5: that arguably he was the in the game. You know,

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Speaker 5: his eight wickets were not at many runs and here

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Speaker 5: he got some big wickets as well. So yeah, we've

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Speaker 5: got we've got high hopes for Sam as well. We

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Speaker 5: know he's another one that's it's got to do the work,

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Speaker 5: keep getting better and keep earning the right but you know,

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Speaker 5: he is another example of some really good talent we

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Speaker 5: have in our system.

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Speaker 3: And lastly, Chris, we have to mention Peter hanscom in

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Speaker 3: a really low scoring match to score that one hundred

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Speaker 3: in the first settings obviously set the side for the

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Speaker 3: big win at the SCG. He seems to have such

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Speaker 3: a wonderful knack of in really tough conditions finding a

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Speaker 3: way to score runs. That's probably why he was in

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Speaker 3: that Australian scored a couple of years agoing to India

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Speaker 3: and it obvious helped the team moving forward when confronted

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Speaker 3: with difficult pitches like we saw in Sydney.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm glad you asked me about him. Just sometimes

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Speaker 5: you know, he doesn't get the credit he deserves. There's

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Speaker 5: always that perception that he's exactly the same player he

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Speaker 5: was when he bay eighties Test cricket. But from you know,

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Speaker 5: having the experiences with him, being a coach of him,

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Speaker 5: I've seen his growth and he's gone away.

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Speaker 6: And understood that you know, the style of.

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Speaker 5: Batting he had when he played Test cricket probably wasn't

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Speaker 5: going to stand up and it took him a while

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Speaker 5: to kind of get rid of that stubbornness around that.

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Speaker 6: But since then he's he's you.

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Speaker 5: Know, he's been so open to a different style and

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Speaker 5: I think if you go and watch that one hundred

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Speaker 5: he got against Stark and Hazelwood and co, you'll see

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Speaker 5: it's a very different model, just just how he looked

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Speaker 5: to get bored, he looked to punch back into the ball.

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Speaker 5: He was just standing on the back foot behind the

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Speaker 5: crease line. And from that, you know, I think it's

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Speaker 5: you know, it's a it's a game plan that would

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Speaker 5: do pretty well in international cricket. So, you know, if

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Speaker 5: he got the chance again, I think he'd be much

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Speaker 5: better prepared. If Smith was to retire, and you know,

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Speaker 5: there was there was that opportunity for it needed for

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Speaker 5: a stable number four.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think that that could be Pete definitely.

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Speaker 5: So hopefully he keeps scoring runs for us and things

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Speaker 5: play out and he gets another opportunity at Test level.

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Speaker 1: Well, if anybody knows about getting a second crack at

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Speaker 1: Test for hit in your mid thirties, it's you, Chris,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure you'll be doing your best to get

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Speaker 1: Pete Hanskin there.

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Speaker 4: Chris, thanks so much for.

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Speaker 1: Joining us, and good luck for the rest of the

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Speaker 1: Shield season with your Victorian side that are high flying

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Speaker 1: at the moment.

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Speaker 6: Thanks guys,