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Speaker 1: The big Footy issues from every angle, dissected by a

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Speaker 1: team that follows the game closer than anyone else wherever

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Speaker 1: you are around the planet. This is your ultimate guide

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Speaker 1: to the AFL. This is the Fox Footy Podcast.

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Speaker 2: All right, what a summer it's been, Australia retaining the

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Speaker 2: ashes thanks to Travis Said and Mitchell Stark, Carlos al

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Speaker 2: Koraz staking his claim as the mini goat at the

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Speaker 2: Australian Open. We had a Swans Academy player Michael Dixon

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Speaker 2: win a Super Bowl ring and Aussie fight like hell for

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Speaker 2: the F one World Championship. But gentlemen, that's all noise.

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Speaker 2: It's a distraction match, SIMS, community series, Rock Rulls, Unicorns,

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Speaker 2: flag favorites and footy. That is our new language, our cult,

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Speaker 2: our church. Welcome to the twenty twenty sixth season and

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Speaker 2: the Fox Footy Podcast. Andrew Jones, Hello, Ben Cotton and

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Speaker 2: Max Lort.

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Speaker 3: Wow wee Drew Jones, Welcome to the podcast. Thanks for

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Speaker 3: having me as host as well. Ben bard Worth off

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Speaker 3: making a human grow older, Yes safely.

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Speaker 2: Big shout out to young Charlie. That's right, Annie and

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Speaker 2: Ben are going well. I'm sure that they're listening as

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Speaker 2: a family with this loud speaker.

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Speaker 3: That's part. It's the Montessori method I believe in. It

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Speaker 3: was a lot of podcasts, especially footy stuff.

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Speaker 4: And Drew recently a father as well. Though there's just

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Speaker 4: a lot of there's a lot of babies popping out

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Speaker 4: of that. I must be getting quite up.

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Speaker 2: Yes, of course, baby Max named after Max Sloughton.

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Speaker 3: Of course I am inspiring in that way. What a

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Speaker 3: throw to have you won, Joe. We'll also have a

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Speaker 3: certain former podcast co host on during the season. Look

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Speaker 3: forward to his hilarious gags. But Drew the serious one,

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Speaker 3: the actual professional host. But the guide us through our

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Speaker 3: look back at the preseason I believe.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I did prints off the rundown, which I did

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Speaker 2: not bring into the studio with me. So let's talk

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Speaker 2: about the community series, our takeouts, what teams we've liked,

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Speaker 2: what we've disliked, what have we learned during this period?

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Speaker 2: So match Sim's on Ko, which we really enjoyed, and

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Speaker 2: then you know the serious stuff starting last Wednesday through

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Speaker 2: the last night. Of course, when going to talk about

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Speaker 2: Do you want to kick us off. It's a team

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Speaker 4: Series, team that I've loved through the community series. I

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Speaker 4: it's Max's love child. Of course, the Western Bulldogs, who's

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Speaker 4: I've always been a little bit more, not skeptic on them,

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Speaker 3: Want to believe in Frio if we're talking, if we're

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Speaker 3: But if you have saying, well, just just just the

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Speaker 3: so that's a plus. But no, that was you have

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Speaker 3: see flashes of brilliance from the younger players. That's all

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Speaker 3: the season is about. The win loss doesn't matter. I

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Speaker 3: I don't think that actually matters. That's not the real gap.

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Speaker 3: They're roughly the same team. But you'd want to see

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Speaker 4: Two very different performances from North against Melbourne. They literally

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Speaker 3: you know, Harry She's we talked about a post game saying,

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Speaker 3: It feels very Swan's last year that the flag tilt

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Speaker 3: He's just going to play in there. Toby Green basically

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Speaker 4: Ironically, Lekal is sorry sink Kilda's backflip on Leka Leer,

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Speaker 2: As you said, I'm amazed at how much chat responsibility

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Speaker 2: you've had a tough couple of years, Like be part

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Speaker 2: he's the big dog, and Finn Callahan's, you know, our superstar,

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Speaker 3: It's basically just Jesse Hogan again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Hogan's last year's body just didn't hold up.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if you guys listen to talkback radio

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Speaker 3: the day after Carlton's win over Geelong, oh last week, Jacob,

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Speaker 2: Land and the Calemon.

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Speaker 3: That would be very fresh eighty gold mid from the midfield.

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Speaker 3: I think Carlton might do all right if that happens.

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Speaker 4: So, Dreue, you were just talking about general players, not

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Speaker 4: made AFL player, might even be able to transform Carton's midfield.

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Speaker 4: I'm watching that game against Geelong last week and sometimes

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Speaker 4: and if he was wearing a black and white jumper,

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Speaker 4: he could be mistaken that he was Nick Dakos. No

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Speaker 4: but no, no Carlton fans or just general media pundits

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Speaker 4: Very smooth, I fully say it, like the classy footwork

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Speaker 3: Very fair for a guy who has not played an

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like in American sport, when a college

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Speaker 3: He's basically Wenby.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we get so excited about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, Carlton traded up for him, as we know, it

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Speaker 2: he accelerates fine space, but then the skill to execute

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Speaker 2: the kick or the handball or wherever it might be

432
00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,960
Speaker 2: very impressive. All round midfielder and exactly the kind of

433
00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,560
Speaker 2: modern midfield which coaches really love inside, outside, fast, all

434
00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:10,119
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff.

435
00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:11,879
Speaker 3: Who's on your list?

436
00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,919
Speaker 2: I've got a lot, So let's go. So Murphy Read

437
00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:17,880
Speaker 2: I've already talked about, Yes, but you know, he won

438
00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,440
Speaker 2: the Rising Star last year, so I'm not sure that

439
00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,040
Speaker 2: you know we can really sit here and say, oh,

440
00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,600
Speaker 2: Murphy Read set for a breakout. I'm a big Archie

441
00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,600
Speaker 2: Roberts fan, and there were some whispers that they were

442
00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,760
Speaker 2: experimenting through the preseason with him. In the Nick Martin

443
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,240
Speaker 2: role and a bit more free wheeling, a bit further

444
00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:38,879
Speaker 2: up the ground, but also like he might be at

445
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,800
Speaker 2: half forward, he might pup up wing, he might pop

446
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,000
Speaker 2: up half back, midfield, whatever, sort of just plug him

447
00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,359
Speaker 2: in as their as their sort of classy ball user.

448
00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,600
Speaker 2: And he's been a bit further up the ground for

449
00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,960
Speaker 2: Essenon so far, bit of midfield time. I think he's

450
00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,800
Speaker 2: had a great preseason. I really like what Archie's doing.

451
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,320
Speaker 2: I think Marcus Windheger I've been a big fan of

452
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Speaker 2: his man for a while. Yes, I've just taken him

453
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Speaker 2: in our in our draft boys, I dropped my boy

454
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Speaker 2: in the whatsap chat. I've got him in like every

455
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Speaker 2: every draft.

456
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Speaker 3: Right, you're big into it, and I'd have.

457
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Speaker 2: Him in all the salary cap formats if it wasn't

458
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Speaker 2: for the early buy for some Kilda.

459
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Speaker 3: So this is despite the midfield changes that are upcoming

460
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Speaker 3: with Flanders coming in and guys like that, and that's

461
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Speaker 3: playing more midfield time.

462
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean Marcus was great in the second

463
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Speaker 2: half of last season as an inside midfielder, but when

464
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Speaker 2: they drop him back to half back, he can also

465
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,679
Speaker 2: conduct from there and he gets himself really involved, so

466
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Speaker 2: I think, you know, let's take fantasy out of it.

467
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Speaker 3: Just as a player, very fair.

468
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Speaker 2: I'm a big I'm a big fan of his. He's

469
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Speaker 2: also a great like great citizen, nicer and guy, you know,

470
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 2: like he's got he's the full package.

471
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Speaker 3: Sorry we're rating, we're raiding handsomeness now.

472
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it comes into that comes into play.

473
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Speaker 4: And also a good looking man that you just gave

474
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Speaker 4: a pump up to before who was at Sorry, yes,

475
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Speaker 4: very handsome.

476
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Speaker 3: Should I be calling my sister like I think she

477
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 3: loves the Ashcroft them up on the list.

478
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Speaker 2: So he's as a midfielder slash half back. I mean

479
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,920
Speaker 2: that's a great fantasy role. But I'm gonna be fan

480
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Speaker 2: of him and his ascension to an A grade or

481
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 2: a B plus is part of Wis and Kilder got

482
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Speaker 2: the ladder for me. Zach Bailey contract year. If they

483
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,880
Speaker 2: use him in the midfield, woll like he's a jet

484
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 2: when he's around the ball, and he's great forward as well.

485
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Speaker 2: I think Errol Gordon after you know, the broke ankle

486
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Speaker 2: last year, you know, amazing he came back and performed

487
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Speaker 2: the level that he did. But I think he's going

488
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Speaker 2: to have a massive year. I think this Onan's fly

489
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Speaker 2: at the ladder.

490
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Speaker 3: We underrate how much of an impact that had that

491
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Speaker 3: destroyed a lot of their structure.

492
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Speaker 2: And Cozy Pickett as a full time midfielder. We saw

493
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Speaker 2: a fair bit of it last year. But I think

494
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Speaker 2: now with Petrarca and Oliver and Viney now injured at Melbourne,

495
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Speaker 2: I think the stage is really set for Cozy to

496
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Speaker 2: have a really big years as a genuine midfielder.

497
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Speaker 3: Well there's no one else to play there so they

498
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Speaker 3: sort of have to. But also Jack Steele, that's true,

499
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Speaker 3: That is a very handy inclusion now that Jack Finney

500
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Speaker 3: went played for the first sort of jike couple months.

501
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Speaker 4: Tractive man Jack still getting a mentioned. We'll talk about

502
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 4: this in a group sat very left down. It's on

503
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Speaker 4: me fitting Can I bring someone to the table.

504
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Speaker 3: Are you introducing them into the room? Lor Do you

505
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Speaker 3: mean in a figurative sense?

506
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Speaker 4: I don't think so, considering he's playing in about four

507
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 4: days in at the Gabba. But someone from the Brisbane

508
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 4: Lions I think is an absolute rising star of the game.

509
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Speaker 4: That is Dussy Wilmott. Okay, I think like Jasper Fletcher's the.

510
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Speaker 2: One you're going to drop Jasper then Jasper Fletchers, well

511
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Speaker 2: he's the one that.

512
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Speaker 3: Oh good, they've got two really good young half backs.

513
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Speaker 2: Actually they've got about twelve.

514
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So the genesis of this is that like Jasper

515
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Speaker 4: Fletcher is the one that gets all the love, the

516
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Speaker 4: classy half back. And I think we all agree he's

517
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Speaker 4: great to watch. He's clean and composed. But Dussy Wilmot

518
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Speaker 4: for me, is just the one that doesn't get as

519
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 4: much love. But he's so, he's just he's a powerful football.

520
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 4: He can win a lot of the footy. He's got

521
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Speaker 4: a pretty solid frame, make smart decisions, just knows when

522
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Speaker 4: to go. He's just a guy that I think he's

523
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Speaker 4: going to be an absolute jet and I think he's

524
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Speaker 4: in there for a massive year. And as Dane's orco

525
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Speaker 4: gets a little bit older, he's thirty seven, he'll probably

526
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Speaker 4: start to wind down and I think you'll see Will

527
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Speaker 4: not Will overtake that real quarterback role in Jasper Fletcher

528
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Speaker 4: might slot into the midfield at some point. Like it.

529
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Speaker 3: You guys have watched quite a few players as it

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Speaker 3: turned out.

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Speaker 4: This is I just yeah, that one was off the cuff.

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Speaker 4: I like it to have anyone else For us there's

533
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Speaker 4: true or.

534
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Speaker 2: Max, I've read out most of them. Actually, no, I

535
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Speaker 2: have three more names that I didn't read.

536
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Speaker 3: Out, which I quick fire. Then we'll move on.

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Speaker 2: I think this is Harley Reid. This is his year

538
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Speaker 2: where he takes a big leap and becomes a more

539
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Speaker 2: consistent player. So I think the way I described it

540
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 2: recently was his ceiling will rise, but the most important

541
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Speaker 2: thing is his floor will rise significantly. He's had a

542
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Speaker 2: great off season. He just he's admitted he just was

543
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Speaker 2: not professional enough at the end of year one, but

544
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Speaker 2: that's all out. The window had a much better off season.

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Speaker 4: Is there another player who's had like a breakout or

546
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Speaker 4: a smallish breakout that you can recall in the past

547
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Speaker 4: that you want to see Harley Reed get to the

548
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Speaker 4: level of if.

549
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Speaker 3: That makes sense, like the comparable you want him to

550
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Speaker 3: be at the end of this year?

551
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Speaker 4: What level they And it doesn't have to be a

552
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 4: current player. It could be like Christian Petraka's mini breakout

553
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 4: before he became a superstar or is there a level

554
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 4: that like whose level do you think he needs to

555
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:11,719
Speaker 4: get to by the end of this season?

556
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question. This year he needs to

557
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 2: become just that level below the top tier of midfielders.

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00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: I probably need a bit longer to give you a specificam.

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Speaker 3: But should he be a top fifty player by the

560
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Speaker 3: end of the year, is that a bit?

561
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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: He should?

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Speaker 2: Okay ye?

564
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Speaker 3: Should he be West Coast best player by the end

565
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Speaker 3: of the year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean if he's not, then we won't win

567
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 2: any games. He's maybe one, But so guys like Clayton

568
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 2: Oliver Andton Taranto are good. It's a good sample to

569
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Speaker 2: look at him that their first year they just got

570
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Speaker 2: an opportunity, and then second year they really became really

571
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Speaker 2: solid AFIL players. Harley didn't necessarily do that last year.

572
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Speaker 2: Perhaps he can sort of do it in his third year.

573
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Speaker 2: And the other random mind just throwing there was Joel Fraser.

574
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Speaker 2: I'm a big fan.

575
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Speaker 3: If he's very good last year, yes, more midtal time.

576
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Speaker 2: Quite extraordinary for where he was taken in the draft.

577
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Speaker 2: For him to come in halfway through his first season

578
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Speaker 2: and be so composed and slotting so well as a

579
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Speaker 2: role player, and now then last year excellent midfield, forward,

580
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Speaker 2: half back. He's so versatile that the Dogs are like,

581
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 2: we just know we can slot him wherever We'll just

582
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Speaker 2: literally wait until we pick the team and then we'll

583
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Speaker 2: decide what Joel's.

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Speaker 3: Going to do.

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Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of him, very handy to have

586
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Speaker 4: another one of those guys who I mentioned before. If

587
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Speaker 4: he can go to another level, the Bulldogs just become

588
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 4: a totally scarier team.

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Speaker 2: All right, So we get fair or Fast?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, time Australia's Favorite segment and now.

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Speaker 1: On the Fox Footy podcast, another strong edition of Australia's

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Speaker 1: Favorite segment, Fair or Fast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you delight to be a part of it. So

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Speaker 2: I forgot to bring my rundown in. So how are

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Speaker 2: we going to do this act? Are we going to

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Speaker 2: just pass around?

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Speaker 3: I reckon you ask us the fear or fastes, then

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Speaker 3: I'll ask you I think that's fair, and then we

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Speaker 3: can just give our responses as we go. Are you

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Speaker 3: want to start off?

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Speaker 2: Okay? So I'm just going to read down this list,

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Speaker 2: Please do okay? Fair or Fast? Nick Daikos will be

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Speaker 2: a Tasmanian devil before the end of the decade.

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Speaker 4: Ben, that is very fair. I think this is absolute

605
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Speaker 4: riding on the wall situation. Look combination of he's going

606
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Speaker 4: to get offered an absolute truckload of money. They've got

607
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Speaker 4: a five million sign on bonus for the first two years.

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Speaker 4: They could use that all at once, they could spread it,

609
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Speaker 4: they could do whatever they want with it. If they

610
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Speaker 4: really wanted to, they could just say, Nick, is five

611
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Speaker 4: mil on top of your two or three million dollar salary.

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Speaker 4: It's just it's a lot of money, and I think Collingwood.

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Speaker 4: Collingwood's trajectory is not overly promising. So I wouldn't be

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Speaker 4: shocked if by that time, when Tazzy's coming in, Nick

615
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Speaker 4: SAT's assessing his options and it just might be the

616
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Speaker 4: perfect career pivot. Again, a lot of money to turn down.

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Speaker 4: He's already won a premiership. He might have a brownload

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Speaker 4: by then, and then he may come back to the

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Speaker 4: Collingwood at some point. He may go somewhere else. But

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Speaker 4: I just think it's perfectly aligned for him to go

621
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Speaker 4: to Tassy all beat his contract until twenty nine or

622
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Speaker 4: twenty first.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so I think he would be available for the

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Speaker 3: first year with the new stadium in twenty nine, all

625
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Speaker 3: the second in thirty one or the other.

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Speaker 4: He would have to request a trade, and to be.

627
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Speaker 3: Honest, when's your free agent? Truly by that time, well

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Speaker 3: or if.

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Speaker 4: I choose contracted of course, unless he like if that's

630
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Speaker 4: if he's to be one of their first additions. And

631
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Speaker 4: to be brutally honest with the way Collingwi's list is

632
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 4: set up at the moment, it might not be a

633
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 4: bad little refresh for them because Tazz's going to dominate

634
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 4: those drafts when they need to start bringing in some young.

635
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Speaker 3: Talents and they're going to have all those picks that

636
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Speaker 3: they need to trade otherwise they go over to the

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Speaker 3: next year.

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Speaker 4: You've got losing Nick to Tecos is good, but I

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Speaker 4: just think that is riding on the wall in a

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Speaker 4: few years.

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Speaker 3: Time worked okay for you, along with Ablot going there

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Speaker 3: you go.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a take on that?

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Speaker 3: No, I think that's I think you are being missed

645
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Speaker 3: a negative college good fan there as well as part

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Speaker 3: of it. But I think, I mean, he certainly makes sense.

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Speaker 3: It's their number one target you need, I think, as

648
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 3: much as Gold Coasts initial bill didn't quite work, you

649
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 3: do need that marquee guy to sort of make a

650
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Speaker 3: statement and prove that you can be a destination. So

651
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 3: it's certainly worth them considering.

652
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 4: And there's enough smoke around with his management speaking on

653
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 4: the topic Nick going on records speaking about being open

654
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 4: to rival office. I just think there's enough smoke to

655
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 4: know that this is now out there and this is real.

656
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 4: Will it actually happen, It's hard to say, but I

657
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 4: just think this is something that's very much firming to happen.

658
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 2: It's a tremendous amount of money, Yeah, isn't it exactly? Ultimately,

659
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: money does.

660
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 3: Talk, and when we're getting too higher levels like two

661
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 3: three four million, it matters more than eight hundred nine.

662
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 3: All right, So you're asking.

663
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: Me, I'm asking you fair or fast. Fremantle needs Locky

664
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 2: Neil at the end of the year more than West Coast.

665
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 4: Oh, sort of trade themed fair or fast.

666
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 3: That's interesting. What we're doing is a bit of trade,

667
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 3: bit of previous stuff, just freemantled. I don't know that

668
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 3: they do. I think that's a fast. What would your

669
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 3: take be, which team needs him more?

670
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: West Coast, West Coast? I think Freemattle's midfield is already

671
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: stocked and we've got the salary cap space. Yes, he's

672
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: dropped a West Coast.

673
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 3: Well, they've got salary cut space to pay him.

674
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: Clearly on the West coast. West Coast have the back.

675
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: But that is happening. We do think that's happening. It's

676
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: going to go back there for family reasons. It would

677
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 3: be a likely scenario.

678
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 4: It seems that way. And like talking about the reveal

679
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 4: before with West Coast, he could be that perfect sort

680
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 4: of guy to like a Luke Hodge did for Brisbane

681
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 4: and some of these other guys that when a young

682
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 4: team just needs that sort of older leader or beat.

683
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 4: He's had quite a checkered past twelve months. Someoney just

684
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 4: dragged the group up and say these are the standards

685
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 4: we're going to start living by, whereas Freeman, I think

686
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 4: is already on their own little path with their own list.

687
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 4: He doesn't really make as much sense for them.

688
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: Can I throw at an alternative please? Does he join

689
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: ross Lyne. That's Kilda.

690
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 3: And Kilda relocating to Western Australia.

691
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: And this is an arrangement where Jules, who has business

692
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: interests in Melbourne, would fly over with their kids and

693
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: he would look after the kids while she makes her

694
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: trips to Victoria, and then perhaps during the off season

695
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: he spends more time at home. But that's just an

696
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: alternative viewpoint, and it's certainly not this is an opinion.

697
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: No, absolutely no fact. It's what this what the faropass

698
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 3: is all about, big opinions. So you're giving one when

699
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 3: we like that, I'll give you. I'll ask one for you, Drew,

700
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 3: please faaro face. Carlton's eight year extension for Sam Walsh was.

701
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 5: A risk they had to take, fair face. That's a

702
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 5: face they didn't have to take. They didn't have to

703
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 5: sign him for eight years given his injury history. They

704
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 5: didn't have to do that and take that risk. But

705
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 5: I agree it was the right thing to do.

706
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: They couldn't let him leave and he was clearly threatening

707
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: to do so if they didn't stump up cash on

708
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: a long term contract. So I think it was the

709
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: right decision for where they're at as a footy club

710
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: because outside of Jaggers Smith, Sam Walsh is their sort

711
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: of blue chip younger player, although he's not that young.

712
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: With the aging midfield, I think they have to have

713
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: him and they're banking on him being the best version

714
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: of Sam Walsh. So they didn't have to, but they did.

715
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 4: I'm stronger than that. I think they had to because

716
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 4: we know in the current state of AFL with contracts

717
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 4: that are getting thrown around, like if Carlton didn't give

718
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 4: him that deal Hawthorne or Geelong or one of these

719
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 4: other clubs was going to and they're coming from much

720
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 4: stronger programs that have got more proven final success, etc.

721
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 4: So I just think Carlton was kind of forced into

722
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 4: a situation that they either pay him or potentially lose him.

723
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 4: And if you can either have Sam Walsh on eight

724
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 4: years with the injury risk or no Sam Walsh, I

725
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 4: think you just pay him the money and cross your

726
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 4: fingers and o for the best. But let's be honest,

727
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 4: he's an absolute superstar. If he can get his body right,

728
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 4: he could be maybe not the best player in the

729
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 4: Comport top five, top ten.

730
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 3: Well that's the problem with They just found themselves in

731
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 3: a situation where that player was on their list. But

732
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 3: he happens to be a twenty four to twenty five

733
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 3: year old with a history of back problems, which is

734
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 3: an ideal.

735
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 4: And I think Carlton's age demo is not too indifferent

736
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 4: to a Collingwood where the youth coming through isn't all

737
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 4: that exciting, apart from obviously Jagger and Dan a couple

738
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 4: of really handy pickups that have just got.

739
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: And they've got more coming. So that's the thing. Their

740
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 3: list profile is ready to be good in a few

741
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,959
Speaker 3: years time, and so he's effectively the cris what Crips

742
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 3: is now he can be that to that list.

743
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I just think they had to make sure

744
00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 4: they kept him fair enough.

745
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: Ben fair or fast Richmond wins the Wooden spoon.

746
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 4: That is a fast. I think the aforementioned West Coast

747
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 4: Eagles will win the Wooden Spoon, but they are the

748
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,719
Speaker 4: clear top bottom two seeds for mine. As I mentioned before,

749
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 4: I still think Richmond has a slightly older corps that

750
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 4: can kind of carry the torch and allow some of

751
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 4: these younger guys to chip in and play more role

752
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 4: play is kind of roles as opposed to your West

753
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 4: Coast Eagles who are throwing young kids more in the

754
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 4: deep end and saying we need you to deliver big

755
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 4: roles right now, even like a Tom McCarthy going into

756
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 4: the midfield. But I do think Richmond will slightly regress

757
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 4: from last season they won five.

758
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not about that with lost record this year.

759
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 3: It's about what the kids do and what signed they show.

760
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 4: So yeah, but I think they will be bottom two.

761
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: I think five wins was a bit of an anomaly

762
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: for them to given given the young players they were

763
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: rolling out. There were games where they appeared entirely uncompetitive,

764
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 2: but then there were some games where they were excellent,

765
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: and they had a higher ceiling last year. I don't

766
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: think they'll win five games this year, but West Coast

767
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: will definitely finish last. Absolutely fair fair or fast Max.

768
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: Wildcard finals should not count as real finals.

769
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 3: So I think this is a face. I don't like

770
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 3: this take. I've seen a few people trying to make this.

771
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 3: I think we're getting caught up on the name. We

772
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 3: have a top ten now with the wildcard finals, you've

773
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 3: got to call it something. You get to call the

774
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: new Week of Finals something, and we know the nomenclature

775
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: from American sports. It's just a top ten. We have

776
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 3: two finals and then the regular top eight progresses with

777
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 3: some slide differences based on the seating if there are upsets.

778
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 3: But yeah, they count their finals now. It's the same

779
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 3: things when we went from six teams to eight teams

780
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 3: in the finals in the nineties. These changes happen. It's

781
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 3: silly right now to have ten finalists with eighteen teams.

782
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: It'll make a lot more sense when we're at twenty

783
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: with Tazzy and either per three or VMT.

784
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: I think it's just a take that people have who

785
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: don't like the wildcard format.

786
00:33:58,680 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 3: Yes, it's tied into that.

787
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: Just come, I swear in this podcast. Can I say? Yes? Yeah,

788
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: they want to shit? Can the AFL that's fair? And

789
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 2: why we're getting two more sudden death games of footy

790
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 2: on a weekend? They're going to be fastly had nothing.

791
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: And I said this to Jay Allen, who works at

792
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: the AFL for the Behind the Curtain medium man medium

793
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,479
Speaker 2: out the AFL, who he was so frustrated that people

794
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 2: being so negative about it. And I said to him, mate,

795
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: I bet you anything, It'll be like Carlton Collingwood ninety

796
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: five thousand met the g for one of the wild

797
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 2: card games and everyone will love it all of a sudden.

798
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm a big fan. And their real.

799
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 4: Finals, and like American sports has this similar kind of issue,

800
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 4: whereas this weird kind of playing wild card like they're

801
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 4: sort of they are finals, but they're not, like it's

802
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 4: not like this is that's way worse problem.

803
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 3: The NBA has the problem where they don't count the

804
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 3: stats from those games, like those games don't exist anywhere.

805
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 4: I can't care. But yeah, it's at the end of

806
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 4: the day, it doesn't matter we are. As Drew said,

807
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 4: I'm also very pro wild card pro keep the season,

808
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 4: entertaining bigger games, et cetera. So I think when it

809
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 4: does eventually roll around and Essenon's playing in their first

810
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 4: final or whoever it is, I think a lot well

811
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 4: will be open to it.

812
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 3: Side question, if Essendon wins a wild card final this year,

813
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 3: do we all change our minds and say it doesn't count,

814
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 3: because that's the funnier answer.

815
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 4: It'll just be an asterisk.

816
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 2: It bad.

817
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: No, but it can't be an asterisk. If it's an

818
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 3: as risk and they're not real finals.

819
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 4: It'll be like a like a like a metaphorical asterism.

820
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 3: We'll note it. It will be spoken about heavy.

821
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, the X account will still exist, that's right until

822
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 2: they win a top six final. Y.

823
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 3: Yes, fantastic last one, drue very fast. The Saints play finals.

824
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: Well, yes, I've already said I think they'll finish top six.

825
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 3: So you think they host a final in twenty twenty six?

826
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 4: Yeah?

827
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 2: Interesting, Yes, at the end at their spiritual home, the

828
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 2: MCG of.

829
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 3: Course, like the when the host of the Giants a

830
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 3: couple of years ago. So who do you have sliding

831
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: out if you have the Saints coming in?

832
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 2: That's a good question. It would be hard for me

833
00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 2: to write now to do my ladd because I haven't

834
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 2: you've done it yet. So I go through the entire

835
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: fixture and I allocate a yeah, and allocate a score

836
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 2: to a game, so you don't get one win, you

837
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: get like, oh like zero point eight.

838
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 3: Like I did with the run home with like percentage

839
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: odds basically, and you added all up.

840
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: Otherwise you finished the year, and you finish it and

841
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: Brisbane have twenty one wins. You know, that's just not

842
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: like that's not going to happen. So it's probably too

843
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,959
Speaker 2: early for me to give you my proper top six.

844
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 2: But there's a chance Hawthorne slide for me, just that

845
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 2: the lack of midfield depth is a concern. But also

846
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: I think Sam Mitchell's a genius, so I'm not sure

847
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: which way it goes.

848
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: And he loves Ai, which is great.

849
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: Yes, I've got Collingwood dropping down, Giants Adelaide Premium Adelaide.

850
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 3: Well there's got nowhere to go but down, Yeah, exactly

851
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 3: the same.

852
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: I think it's it's a very interesting race, but I

853
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: think Sin Kilda are in it.

854
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 4: I agree as well. I think it's actually a good

855
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 4: take from Drew. I think, like I think one thing

856
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 4: that people do forget. Even though ross Lyne is regarded

857
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 4: as being this super defensive, very sort of different operator,

858
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 4: but he's actually a really, really good coach at the

859
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 4: end of the day. It gets the most out of

860
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 4: his playing group. Ever since he's come back to Saint Kilda,

861
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 4: they haven't I think they played finals once, but they've

862
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 4: always been very good, very competitive, and now they're topping

863
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 4: up with those four guys that they bring in a

864
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 4: bit more depth. Some of the younger guys go to

865
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 4: the next level. I am with the package on this one.

866
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Speaker 4: I think the Saints will rise. And I've said this

867
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Speaker 4: before the preseason.

868
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Speaker 3: As I said, I did have them tenth, but last

869
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 3: year they were not very good. They won nine games

870
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: and were very lucky to get to nine. They had

871
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 3: four straight wins by single digit margins at the end

872
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 3: of the year against four bad teams.

873
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Speaker 2: I think it took ross a while to sift through

874
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: the list that he had and work out what needed

875
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 2: to be done. Yes, and I get the sense that

876
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: he was like, this ain't it. But I like their

877
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 2: young players, I like their recruits, so I think they'll

878
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: be good.

879
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:45,959
Speaker 3: They've drafted very well.

880
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 2: Whether they will have the ceiling to go all the

881
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: way to the top and win a flag, that's a

882
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: separate question.

883
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 3: Because this is the list right now, right. They've spent

884
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 3: the money. That was the advantage they had was this

885
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 3: cap room. This is the list, So you've got to

886
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 3: hope that there's more internal growth, which certainly could happen.

887
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, they need Philippo to be like an all Australian level.

888
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: They need Dussy Wilson to come on win tager. You know,

889
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 2: those guys need to really pop all right. So we're

890
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: actually pretty close to real footing.

891
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 3: Wow, literally less than seventy two hours as people are

892
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 3: listening to this podcast. Incredible stuff.

893
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: We're really close and I could not personally be more

894
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: excited for it. Just quickly, AFL Tonight returns please this week,

895
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: so we're back.

896
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Speaker 5: Wow.

897
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Speaker 2: Drew Jones, David Zeda, will Scofield has always John Ralph

898
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Speaker 2: will be a regular Monday for us every Monday. Tom

899
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Speaker 2: Mitchell brownlow All Australian Premiership midfielder Tom Mitchell has joining

900
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Speaker 2: the AFL tonight. Team's very excited about.

901
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: Recruiting better than North.

902
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: Him and Taylor are expecting the first child imminently, may

903
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Speaker 2: have already been born right like it could literally could

904
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Speaker 2: have just been this week. Maybe it's popped out. So

905
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: baby season appending parenthood. He'll be with us very soon.

906
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 3: Excellent.

907
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Speaker 2: So we're excited our eleventh season. We're up over fifteen

908
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Speaker 2: hundred episodes all time. We continue to be the workhourse

909
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: of the football industry. Very true with the very small team.

910
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 3: Fox Sports News, Fox Footy before games as well on

911
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 3: Thursdays Fridays.

912
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: Yes, so thank you so for prompting me on that.

913
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 2: So five point thirty Monday to Wednesday and six o'clock

914
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: on Fox Footye, so you got two chances to catch it.

915
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: And then we're always in the half an hour leading

916
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: up to the game on Fox Footy and Fox Sports News.

917
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 3: It's the best showing for you that no one talks about.

918
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: Thank you, Max. That's very kind.

919
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 4: And if you're at the ground, you can see the

920
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 4: package drough just straining your stuff on the bound. True,

921
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Speaker 4: he might just.

922
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 3: Give you a way reason to get in early.

923
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly for the Autogo.

924
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 3: Yes, the camera best cameramanded.

925
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Speaker 2: Footy cat Yes, okay, so very exciting. Thursday Night AFL

926
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 2: Tonight will be at the ground of the SCG. It

927
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 2: is the Swan's against Carlton to start things off. It

928
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: is the Charlie Kurno Cup. Actually, Ben normally comes with

929
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: the Caps, doesn't it.

930
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 3: We are missing that. I don't have that. I can

931
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 3: do a rundown, but I.

932
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: Can't do I'll go Jed Lamb Cup.

933
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 4: The Swans v car This is a perfect replace the

934
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 4: niche names off the top.

935
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: I'm going to try like a strong start.

936
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 2: Okay, So Swan's for me, Carlton any chance? Yeah?

937
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. The upside of Carlton is the idea that without Kerno,

938
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 3: they have to have a new forward setup. They have

939
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 3: to be less Kurno minded and it works like that.

940
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 3: That's the upside. I don't think hit that hits. I

941
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 3: think they missed finals because of it. But I think

942
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: there is a case to be made where Carlton finally

943
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 3: turns into the team we've thought they were going to

944
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:29,959
Speaker 3: be for about four or five years. But I'm picking

945
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 3: this once.

946
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 4: I think Sydney wins, but Carlton's form over the last

947
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 4: two weeks. I think it's real to a degree. You

948
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 4: can see that they've changed the way they play.

949
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 3: Be the two Grand finalists.

950
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, they've got Jagger in the middle of the flag.

951
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 4: They've probably got a bit more depth in general, so

952
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 4: they're not necessarily giving games to plays. It's going to

953
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 4: be more chosen on merit got a larger Holands look

954
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 4: really really good against Gelong as well. I just think

955
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 4: there's enough happening at Carlton where you could manage an argument.

956
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 4: But Sydney should be too good at the sc think

957
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 4: overall feeling about Carton in the preseason has been the

958
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 4: Arrow's pointing down on But I think there are reasons

959
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 4: for Carlton fans to be optimistic. It's just that they're

960
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 4: in a bit of a funny middle ground here. This

961
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 4: list right now can't win the flag.

962
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 3: Wouldn't it have made more knock going to.

963
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: Bottom out because they've got too many good, consistent players.

964
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 3: And they've got Cody Walker cumming some good pick picks coming.

965
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 3: Wouldn't it have made more sense if they were Essendon

966
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 3: and held onto their player and Essendon mac Carlton and

967
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: traded out their player because Essendon doesn't want to be

968
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 3: good this year, but Carlton Michael Voss certainly wants to

969
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 3: be good this year.

970
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 4: But I think Carlton had already reached their ceiling with

971
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 4: that list. They were either gonna they were going to

972
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 4: max out with a prelim final in the end, but

973
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 4: they probably overperformed a little bit and they weren't going anywhere.

974
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 4: They got maximum value for Charlie Kurno. Maybe Essendon should

975
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 4: have just done the same. Maybe if you know you're

976
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 4: not going anywhere anytime soon, you just build up your assets,

977
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 4: build up your draft pick. So I think it's I

978
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 4: think the Colono trade was a massive win win provided

979
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 4: Colono to live is just Sydney, just.

980
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 3: Not for Voss, well probably not.

981
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: I think ultimately we come out, we're probably Friday morning,

982
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: we're talking about Kurno doing something, definitely something, and we're

983
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: probably talking about Jagger again because he just looks like

984
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: he's Carlton. They'll bet, but they'll be able to hang

985
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 2: their hat on it all year. And having a good

986
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 2: young player who can watch blossom is one of the

987
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 2: best things about being a football supporter, like watching young

988
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: Chris Judd. Some of my favorite football memories, so very fair.

989
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 2: Enjoy it, Blues fans, Friday night football on the Gold

990
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 2: Coast People First Stadium. It is the Suns and the Cats.

991
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 2: David Zeda will be there for us for AFL tonight.

992
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: If you got a junker to the Gold Coast, Yes,

993
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 3: what just to ask.

994
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: Him about the timing of the flight?

995
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 3: Oh okay, where's he coming out of terminal four at

996
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 3: five am?

997
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 4: Sort of areas he complains that he doesn't get to

998
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 4: go plays is now he's going somewhere and he's complaining

999
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 4: about it?

1000
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 2: What's there's a common theme there, Ben.

1001
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 3: There is interesting. It's just complaints Gold.

1002
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: Coast the Geelong. There's some injury clouds over various players

1003
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: that the Cats had. Is this one playout?

1004
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 3: So I think that determines my tip here. I think

1005
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 3: if the if Cameron and Smith are playing, particularly Cameron,

1006
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 3: I think the talk about Gelong being reliant on their

1007
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 3: order players is overblown heading into this year. I don't

1008
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 3: have that concern. Pinninsteia mccameron. He is that forward line.

1009
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 3: He is the reign of Golden medalist Shannon Neil is

1010
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: not a replacement. We saw that in the finals. He's

1011
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 3: every good number two. He's not the number one, so

1012
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,479
Speaker 3: without him, the Cats are in trouble. So if those

1013
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 3: guys come in, I'm tipping the Cats. No Matt Rau

1014
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: for the Suns, but that would swing it if we

1015
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 3: see that later in the week.

1016
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a little bit more confident in Gold Coast.

1017
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 4: That Gold Coast, They've made that such a fortress. And

1018
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 4: I'm still a little bit unsure about Gelong this season.

1019
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 4: I think coming off the massive Grand well I didn't

1020
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 4: know I did last year the year before I did it,

1021
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 4: But I think gold Goos is the second best team

1022
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 4: in the AFL going into this season, and I just

1023
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 4: think there's going to be a certain vibe of that arena.

1024
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 4: There's more of an expectation. Christian Petrarca arrives, Jamari yugle Hagen,

1025
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 4: and I think Gelong has been a little bit more

1026
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 4: disjointed over the preseason, guys coming in and out. I

1027
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 4: just think this screams a Gold Coast kind of state

1028
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 4: minish kind of game.

1029
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 3: It's fair. I do think they are the team. I

1030
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 3: think I have them top four and I think they're

1031
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 3: the team that starts really well, drops off a little

1032
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: bit around the buys and then still makes top four.

1033
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 3: They're going to be last year's Collingwood.

1034
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: I reckon Smith, Cameron and Neil play. I don't think

1035
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: Myers gets up for the game.

1036
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 3: I think that's OK.

1037
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: I think it's a bit too soon after the thumb surgery.

1038
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 2: Probably needs the extra week. Well, we have to submit

1039
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 2: our tips on Fox Footy before knowing the teams.

1040
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 3: Well, Wednesday night, will you do, I'll figure out deadline

1041
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 3: and then we'll as always a very well run competition

1042
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 3: to the two reigning champions. By the way, on this podcast, BC.

1043
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: And myself, Saturday Twilight, it's GWS against Hawthorne Energ Stadium.

1044
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: Of course, Super Saturday Live Fox Footy, the only place

1045
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: you can watch these games, the Giants and the Hawks.

1046
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 2: With John you can potentially not playing in this game.

1047
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 2: A couple of really depleted looking midfields here.

1048
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 3: So he's appealing at the trobunal on Tuesday night, one

1049
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: game ban. If he misses, then this midfield battle is

1050
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 3: I don't know versus I don't know jack Off. Yes, notes,

1051
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 3: so that's not how you pronounce his name. He did

1052
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 3: not just say that out of nowhere, listeners. He was

1053
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: talking about a Giants draftd Jack or something. I don't

1054
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 3: know what it is. Apparently it's not jack Off.

1055
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: My sincerest apologies to the oh family.

1056
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 3: Everyone is going to be saying that, though, no very interesting.

1057
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: How both these scenes construct their midfields. But I think

1058
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 2: Toby Green as a midfielder is a bloody superstar.

1059
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 3: So really, yeah, I think he's better as a mid ford.

1060
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 2: I mean, as a forward is incredible, yes, but I

1061
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: like him as a midfield What did I say incredible?

1062
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: I think he's just a very good player though that's fair,

1063
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 2: But I just think in terms of what gw Wes

1064
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 2: have to pull into their midfield versus Hawthorne, I like

1065
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 2: the Green option as a stop gap until hopefully Finn

1066
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: Callahan plays and they'll be strong.

1067
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 4: A tip for the game, I'm going to tip the Giants.

1068
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 4: I'm a little bit worried about Hawthorns midfield. Like I think,

1069
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 4: as you said, I think the Giants can cover, they

1070
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 4: can make it work if Finn Callahan plays. I'm with you,

1071
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 4: Toby Grean's a star. And yeah, just we don't know

1072
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 4: what Hawthorn's midfield is going to look like, even if

1073
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 4: Jihan Yukam is there. Who's the one A one B like,

1074
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 4: how does it all kind of?

1075
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: We know, we know what Hawthorn's midfield looks like. It

1076
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 3: looks like last year, and last year.

1077
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 4: They made a prelimb, but James Warpole has gone.

1078
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 3: I don't think James Warple was the difference maker in

1079
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 3: that midfield. I think it's an important role, but I

1080
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 3: don't think that's the reason that they were sustaining their

1081
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: talents so much sustaining their position.

1082
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 4: I don't either, But there's there's not only replacing him,

1083
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 4: but then it's who replaces the replacement. So I just

1084
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 4: I was already concerned about their midfield just in general.

1085
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 4: You lose Warpole, you miss merit will day goes down.

1086
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be an issue.

1087
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 3: I have faith in the Hawks. I think I'm probably

1088
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 3: leaning their way, but the Tropanal decision will heavily impact that.

1089
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: On Newcomb's finals. Wearing incredible, Yes, and he's a greater.

1090
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 2: He's a busy gun. He is hard. He's a very

1091
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 2: hard man. Jeremy how found that out.

1092
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 3: But true. If he misses, I would definitely can very

1093
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 3: heavily consider tipping the Giants.

1094
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 4: I'm going to Giant.

1095
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: It's a lot of kind of Nash and a lot

1096
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: of Josh Ward without Newcomb, who are both very serviceable players.

1097
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: And then you go like, okay, so He'scaonda McDonald, we

1098
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: get using Watson through the midfield. You know, hassway, what.

1099
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 4: Do we do?

1100
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 3: The Hawks have never been in under Sem Mitchell been

1101
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 3: a win on talent team. They're a win on structure team.

1102
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 3: So that's why I agree with you Sam Mitchell is

1103
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 3: a really great coach and that they play their roles

1104
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 3: really well. So that's why I'd still have faith in them.

1105
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: I think they just need to find something in that midfield.

1106
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 3: Well, they know they need to find something. That's why

1107
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 3: they went for second Mantes.

1108
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 4: I think it needs to be something bigg as well

1109
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 4: to be wet. It could be wet. I don't think

1110
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 4: it can just be like a little like Josh Ward

1111
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 4: had a good year last year. It was a it

1112
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 4: was a solid sort of breakout. I think they need

1113
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 4: something a bit more meaningful where a guy goes from

1114
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 4: a sort of B greater to a genuine A grade.

1115
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 3: I like the weather Idea because they have a lot

1116
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 3: of half packs.

1117
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 4: Econom McDonald like, one of these guys really needs to

1118
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 4: step up all right.

1119
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 2: Saturday Night Brisbane against the Western Bulldogs, the two time

1120
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: raining premiers, against the team that we all expect to

1121
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: rise this year. That's at the gab at Saturday night

1122
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: live on Fox Footy. Will the Lions start off this

1123
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 2: season the win or Dogs that crack? Yeah?

1124
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 3: Some really good games, like my top four are playing

1125
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: each other, the Sun's Cats and then Dogs line.

1126
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: This is what opening round is all about, is a

1127
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: game like this being the only game in town to watch.

1128
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 3: Very fair. I think the lines are too good. As

1129
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 3: much as I do love the Dogs, I think the

1130
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 3: lines are still too good. The one caveat I will

1131
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 3: put on that is that they have not been an

1132
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 3: amazing Gaber team the last few years. That's where they've

1133
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 3: actually been strangely gettable. But I still think they're too good.

1134
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 3: They play a pretty good game their last year of

1135
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 3: Friday Night from memory, so I look forward to this one.

1136
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 3: But I will be leaning Brisbane as they are my

1137
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 3: Premiership tip.

1138
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 4: This has got game of the season potential. This is

1139
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 4: a cancer of your plans.

1140
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 3: The semi final and twenty twenty one was that was incredible?

1141
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: Literally just about to bring that up. I just always

1142
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 2: imagine Charlie, Cameron and Taylor due chasing that ball, and

1143
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: I'm like Taylor Dray must have been going through a

1144
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: lot in that moment, Charlie.

1145
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 3: But the problem with the Dogs is they have not

1146
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 3: had a great defense basically since that moment. Is that

1147
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 3: the Bailey Smith, Yeah, ice in the veins, not an injection,

1148
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 3: it's ice in the veins.

1149
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: That was a celebration.

1150
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 4: Sam Darcy under a little bit.

1151
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: I think he plays, but the Dogs have kept this

1152
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 2: very close to their chest, the general soreness.

1153
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 3: Stuff, which is concerning when cops do that.

1154
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, there's something that they don't want.

1155
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 3: Us to know, or they don't want the Liones to

1156
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 3: know if he plays.

1157
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 2: That's true. Bailey Daley is also under a cloud with

1158
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 2: his knee. Yes, so I'm not sure if we'll see

1159
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: him this week. But this is going to be a

1160
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: cracking game. I'm leaning towards the Lions. I also didn't

1161
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: tip the previous game. I'm probably leaning towards Hawthorne in

1162
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 2: this one. I really like the Hawks. Well, I like

1163
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 2: them more than GWSF. Okay, and we round out after

1164
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 2: Oscar pr Street wins the Australian Grand.

1165
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 3: Free Well George Russell for me, but we'll see. I

1166
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: hope you're right. There'll be a much more fun thing

1167
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 3: to write about on today.

1168
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 2: The Stone's throw from the famous Albert Park circuit to

1169
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 2: the MCG for a new edition t opening around a

1170
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 2: game in Melbourne. It's the Saints, the hype Saints against Collingwood. Ben, Yes,

1171
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: will this be a big, fat l for your Collingwood

1172
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 2: side at confidence levels, I.

1173
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 4: Think there's too much uncertainty with coling whereas we know

1174
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 4: we kind of know what Sinkilda is at the moment.

1175
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 4: They don't have Max King. Obviously that's a pretty big out.

1176
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 4: But I just think there's enough positive momentum and we've

1177
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 4: seen it over a two week period. Collingwood, we don't

1178
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 4: even really know who they're starting. Midfield is going to

1179
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 4: be let alone their sort of bottom few players. I

1180
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 4: just think there's more, there's more reliability in what sin

1181
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 4: Kilda is right at this moment in time. But I

1182
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 4: could easily see Collingwood winning. But I'm tipping the sack.

1183
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 3: So that's incredible that you're talking about a team that

1184
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 3: hosted a prelim last year as completely unpredictable. We don't

1185
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 3: know what they are, and a team that finished twelve

1186
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 3: or thirteenth as the known quantity, that's belief in the

1187
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:35,479
Speaker 3: same type.

1188
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 4: I think also, like we were talking about the Bulldogs,

1189
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 4: we're talking about sin Kilta. As clubs that have got six, seven,

1190
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 4: eight players, you could see going up another level Collingwood,

1191
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 4: I'd struggle to name two or three.

1192
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 3: I think these teams are in the same sort of

1193
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 3: bracket this year. So I think this is a very

1194
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 3: interesting game and it's a narrative defining game. Because it's

1195
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 3: the Sunday night game, the Monday shows will be all

1196
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 3: about it, especially if the Saints winn show that they

1197
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 3: are for real. I'm leaning Collywood just based on proven form,

1198
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 3: but totally would not be shocked if Sint Kilda did

1199
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 3: that sort of statement win in Monday three sixty NFL Tonight.

1200
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 3: Are all about the Mighty Saints.

1201
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 2: I respect so much that you are you will not

1202
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 2: let the hype sweep you up. I'm all about the Saints.

1203
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 2: I can't in my mind, I cannot see a world

1204
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 2: where only win this game. I can't imagine really like

1205
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: this time last year one round on do you remember

1206
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 2: Adelaide had this amazing preseason and they played Saint Kilda

1207
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 2: round one and Adelaide over and I looked at that

1208
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 2: game and I was like, there is not any way

1209
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 2: in the universe that Sineculita can win this game. Well,

1210
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: they they had, and they'd had all these injuries and

1211
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: uncertainty and the like. They were shot and Adelaide came

1212
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 2: out and gave them what for, and I just it's

1213
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 2: not quite the same, but I'm getting similar vice.

1214
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 3: This is a broader tipping strategy that I have the

1215
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 3: first two rounds of the hardest rounds to tip, because

1216
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 3: you don't have any exposed form yet, so I go

1217
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 3: with known my priors, I known quality quantities. I tip safely,

1218
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 3: or you gotta do listens. If you're in a tipping

1219
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 3: comp it's safe at the start. As long as you're

1220
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 3: in the top half, you're fine, and then you let

1221
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,919
Speaker 3: everyone else make mistakes and you'll win again.

1222
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 4: Don't give away the secrets of well it works.

1223
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 3: Now, and then you can start zigzagging and then doing

1224
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 3: the opposite and taking risks in the work.

1225
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 4: Jeremy Howe and Darcy Moore probably unlikely to play. That's

1226
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 4: just a lot of Collingwood's DNA out the door. But

1227
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 4: another really exciting side plot to this game is there's

1228
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 4: been a lot of naz hype over the pre season,

1229
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 4: a lot of people saying he's now the best player

1230
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 4: in the AFL.

1231
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 3: Ken Hinckley say that on the broadcast on Saturday about

1232
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 3: him being the most exciting player in the comp now and.

1233
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 4: Nick Dakos is lining up for the other teams. We're

1234
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 4: going to get a good old fashioned superstar face off,

1235
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 4: which is exciting.

1236
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 3: Five ft dangerfield sort of areas from twenty fifteen.

1237
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 2: What's the modern version, isn't it? Yes, the modern AFL

1238
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: midfielder they go head to head, does win? How you

1239
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: go to Daikos, probably because they've had a lot of

1240
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 2: success with that in the past. He's a very good

1241
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 2: tagger win.

1242
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 3: Sants have played the Pies pretty well and recently.

1243
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 4: From memory, yes that's the last time we played each other,

1244
00:52:58,800 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 4: but yes.

1245
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 3: It would have been early in the season. I think

1246
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 3: so interesting times true. What an incredible debut as host.

1247
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 2: Thank you so much thanks for having me. It was

1248
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 2: a real pleasure. I think there'll be a slightly different

1249
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 2: vibe with Zeita in the chair next week.

1250
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe less professionalism, more horrendous gags.

1251
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 2: There'll be there'll be a lot more gags, and he'll

1252
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: try and insert as much tribunal chap as possible and

1253
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 2: himself in general. Yes, and we'll we're surprised he hasn't

1254
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 2: burst through it all at this rate. We're only about

1255
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 2: ten meters from his chair. Gents, thanks for having me on.

1256
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. It's been, I mean, from my perspective,

1257
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: a rollicking start to the Fox Footy podcast season. So

1258
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: thanks everyone for tuning in. Keep clicking back to Foxfooty

1259
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 2: dot com dot AU. That's right, that's the one we

1260
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 2: want the AU. I'm going off no stat I know

1261
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 2: there's nothing in front of me. This is all just

1262
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 2: made up as I go. Ben continue to allow good

1263
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 2: players to slide to me in this draft that we

1264
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 2: are doing. Actually, can you say, live on air what

1265
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 2: the player is that you're really interested in that you

1266
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 2: want to draft.

1267
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 4: I've got two which I can confirm. One is the

1268
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 4: aforementioned hating young who I have a big punt us.

1269
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 4: So another one is Jordan Clark.

1270
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: Okay, well, best of luck. I hope you get them

1271
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:04,439
Speaker 2: on the turn.

1272
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1273
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 2: As just screw myself over there. No, we're good Max.

1274
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 2: We love your work on the website. We can't wait

1275
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 2: for another big year from you, and please get involved

1276
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 2: AFL tonight as much as you can as Max.

1277
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 3: What was your line, Max, It's the best show and

1278
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 3: footy that no one talks about.

1279
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

1280
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,080
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1281
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