WEBVTT - No radio, no rules: The new Kyle Sandilands

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<v Speaker 1>From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Wednesday, July twenty nine, twenty twenty six. Fiona Brown,

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<v Speaker 1>the former Liberal chief of staff wrongly accused by Brittany

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<v Speaker 1>Higgins of covering up her rape, has accepted a settlement

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<v Speaker 1>from the Commonwealth to resolve her employment law case. It

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<v Speaker 1>ends a highly charged year's long dispute in which Brown

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<v Speaker 1>accused former Prime Minister Scott Morrison and other senior government

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<v Speaker 1>figures of throwing her under the bus. That scoop is

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<v Speaker 1>live now at the Australian dot com dot au. Kyle

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<v Speaker 1>Sandlands is back and spoiler, he's really good. The dumped

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<v Speaker 1>FM radio host is rebuilding with a new app, a

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<v Speaker 1>daily breakfast vodcast launching next month, and for the very Keen,

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<v Speaker 1>a video documentary series giving a taste of what's ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Jennet Clark and I both coughed up for the app,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jenna's here in just a moment to dish on

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<v Speaker 1>the new look.

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle track it.

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<v Speaker 1>Acts and all.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, are we ready to roll?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go. Jenna Clark is an associate editor with The

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<v Speaker 1>Australian and just like me, apparently she's a Kyl Sandalanz

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<v Speaker 1>super fan. We both got out our credit cards and

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<v Speaker 1>subscribed to the brand new Carl Sandalans Live app. We're

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<v Speaker 1>among a small group of supernerds Jenna who have subscribed

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<v Speaker 1>before there's really even a show to subscribe to.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true, Claire, I think, look, curiosity definitely killed my

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<v Speaker 3>credit card when it came to looking out the old

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<v Speaker 3>visa to watch episode one of the new Kyle Sandalans Live,

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<v Speaker 3>which is his new era. If we could use the

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<v Speaker 3>Taylor Swift pilance, away from arn, away from the moderators,

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<v Speaker 3>away from the thirty second delay, away from people trying

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<v Speaker 3>to tell him, stop telling him what to say, and

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<v Speaker 3>I have to say it was twenty two minutes of

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<v Speaker 3>refreshing viewing. You used to joke they could never fire you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah I did, Yeah, so, and now the joke's on

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<v Speaker 3>me here I am fucking fired.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>I must confess I'm a late in life Carl Sandalans fan.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never really had much of an opinion about him

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<v Speaker 1>over the years, but now I'm finding him to be

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of warm, interesting, relatable person. All the things

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<v Speaker 1>that people have said to me about him over the

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<v Speaker 1>years that now turn out to be true. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is the app that he's created to kind of host

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<v Speaker 1>what he is going to be his podcast when it

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<v Speaker 1>launches on August tenth, but as a kind of teaser,

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<v Speaker 1>he's set up this full part at Home with Kyle

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<v Speaker 1>video series with very high production values, kind of behind

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes of him losing his radio career, losing his

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<v Speaker 1>job at ARN and falling out with his on air

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<v Speaker 1>partner Jackie Oh. He manages to be even though he's

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<v Speaker 1>in a sort of one hundred million dollar house, just

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<v Speaker 1>to be relatable and a bit of an every man,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't he He does.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think, you know, I am hoping and this

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<v Speaker 3>is probably going to get me a lot of criticism

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<v Speaker 3>that this is the return of I don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>say the Larken, but I think this is the return

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<v Speaker 3>of the adorable buffhead, of which I feel is really

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<v Speaker 3>innate to an Australian culture. Like sure, he has said

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<v Speaker 3>some crazy things over the years, all of which he

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<v Speaker 3>confronts head on in the first twenty minute episode of

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<v Speaker 3>this new documentary, but I just think it goes to

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<v Speaker 3>show he's so savvy, he's so smart, and he has

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<v Speaker 3>a real love for media and the craft of audio,

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<v Speaker 3>and I guess you know what that kind of looks

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<v Speaker 3>like away from the main infrastructure of broadcast and linear broadcast,

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<v Speaker 3>because I mean a lot of people are tuning into

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<v Speaker 3>things nowadays on either podcast, podcast or on social media,

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<v Speaker 3>and he has really taken it to another level by

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<v Speaker 3>you know, making everything paid and everything is content to

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<v Speaker 3>King Kyle, and no one knows that more than him.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think the one thing that sparked my interest

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<v Speaker 3>a few months back, when you know, this was also

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<v Speaker 3>blowing up, was when he would front the media very

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<v Speaker 3>casually out front of like you say, he's one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and twenty million dollar home, and there was always.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone in the background with a camera, and it.

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<v Speaker 3>Should have sparked of course, they're going to turn this

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<v Speaker 3>into his story. So it's a genius way for him

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<v Speaker 3>to get his point across his point of view, across

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<v Speaker 3>his truth, if you will, and also start rebuilding the

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<v Speaker 3>stockpile from that eighty two million dollar contract that is

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<v Speaker 3>no longer running into his pocket. Yeah, he's got this

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<v Speaker 3>self deprecating line of jokes about how he's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, very wealthy, very successful, how he stashed a

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<v Speaker 3>bit of money away, but he's still a bit of

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<v Speaker 3>a shambles.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of the stick or the character that he plays.

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<v Speaker 3>So we've just moved in here.

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<v Speaker 1>Watch the dogs come in. They're still furniture everywhere. Some

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<v Speaker 1>photos are going and go in, go in, come in,

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<v Speaker 1>come in, fuck say everywhere. It's a really interesting version

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<v Speaker 1>of what we see a lot which is established dude

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<v Speaker 1>loses his career in mainstream media and then tries to

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<v Speaker 1>segue into something else. Alan Jones, Ray Hadley, Kyl Stefanovic.

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<v Speaker 1>None of them have really been able to step into

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<v Speaker 1>another medium very successfully yet. So if he pulls this off,

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle will be the first person to have actually done

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<v Speaker 1>it successfully in the modern era in Australian media.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think about the business model?

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<v Speaker 1>So Kyl Sandalan's Live unless you're a super fan like

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<v Speaker 1>you and I, where it's nine to nine dollars for

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<v Speaker 1>a year's subscription, you'll be paying two dollars a week

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to Kyle's three hour radio show every day,

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<v Speaker 1>which will also be video, be a vodcast.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think about that? Will will his audience

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<v Speaker 2>follow him?

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<v Speaker 1>Look?

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<v Speaker 2>I think they will.

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<v Speaker 3>When you see the response to when the doco dropped

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<v Speaker 3>last night, there was a lot of people on social

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<v Speaker 3>media that were probably just curious, like I was, to

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<v Speaker 3>kind of see how this would sort of go, what

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<v Speaker 3>his demeanor would be like, how he would approach it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I saw a really stark different Kyl Sanderlans to

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<v Speaker 3>the one I think that has been portrayed by people

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<v Speaker 3>that probably didn't listen to his stint on Two DAYFM

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<v Speaker 3>or his stint at Kiss FM. I think a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people like to paint him is this big ogre

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<v Speaker 3>type bully. But I think when it comes down to it,

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<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of people and he reminds the

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<v Speaker 3>viewer he was a kid that slept in a cardboard box.

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<v Speaker 3>He knows what it's like to have you back against

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<v Speaker 3>the wall. And he also talks about sure he's got,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, twenty million dollars worth of mortgages, but he's

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<v Speaker 3>also supporting a lot of friends, a lot of family

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<v Speaker 3>members for their health issues. He's what he's on employees.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got about eight or so to this new Carl

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<v Speaker 3>Sandalans Live project, and a lot of them I think

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<v Speaker 3>it goes to the measure of the man. A lot

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<v Speaker 3>of them have come from you know, his previous life.

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<v Speaker 3>I think seven of the core team members, including his manager,

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<v Speaker 3>have been with him for probably a better part of

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<v Speaker 3>a decade, and that I think that there speaks volumes

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<v Speaker 3>about just the kind of bloke he truly is.

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<v Speaker 1>Between this and an interview he did over the weekend

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<v Speaker 1>with Lisa Mayo from The Daily Telegraph, an interview that

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<v Speaker 1>was published across the news Corp family of Metropolitan papers, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Learned some interesting things.

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<v Speaker 1>One was that Kyle's best friend, John Ibrahim, the colorful

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<v Speaker 1>Sydney nightclub identity, called him and said how are you,

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<v Speaker 1>how's your mental health, which caused Kyle to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>fall around laughing. And also that Russell Crowe rang Kyle

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<v Speaker 1>to say, you know, get it together, make up with Jackie,

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<v Speaker 1>patch it up. Those little nuggets have been very interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>and so have his reflections on Jackie and what she's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of going through. What's your sense of how he's

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<v Speaker 1>handled that. Do you think he's getting the tone right?

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<v Speaker 3>I think he is. He's very respectful of obviously their

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<v Speaker 3>long working relationship and they have clearly a very deep friendship,

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<v Speaker 3>and he kind of paints it in the way of

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<v Speaker 3>you know, mum and Dad have been married for twenty

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<v Speaker 3>five odd years, and of course what used to be

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<v Speaker 3>cute and funny is no longer cute and funny, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's all sort of blown up.

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<v Speaker 2>I sort of have had to emotionally, in my mind

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<v Speaker 2>close that chapter.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this isn't a taking sides thing like like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll always love her like a sister to me. I

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<v Speaker 1>wish her the best.

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<v Speaker 3>I still think, I mean, given I think we're watching

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<v Speaker 3>footage from probably a few weeks or months ago, it's

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<v Speaker 3>still very raw. So he sort of feels like he's

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<v Speaker 3>in a bit of shock because he can't really understand, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, he says, this wasn't even our biggest fight.

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<v Speaker 3>We've normally just patched things up and it'll be fine,

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<v Speaker 3>And he goes on to say, you know, he's reached

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<v Speaker 3>out to her to say that I love.

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<v Speaker 2>You when I have your back.

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<v Speaker 3>But then it is interesting because then you see on

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<v Speaker 3>the flip side to that, when all of this, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>deal went through a very own A Meetia section with

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<v Speaker 3>Steve Jackson and James Madden broke the story that now

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<v Speaker 3>they've submitted affidavits which will go to help arn versus

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<v Speaker 3>Jackie Henderson in her fur work claim.

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<v Speaker 1>Former radio host Jackie Oh has made explosive allegations against

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<v Speaker 1>her longtime co host Kyl Sandalan's So for unfair dismissal,

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<v Speaker 1>and just like Carl Sandlan's, Jackie O is now demanding

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<v Speaker 1>to be paid the rest of their two hundred million

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<v Speaker 1>dollar megadeal.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's a lot more to tease out of this.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's either genius marketing and pr of which

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<v Speaker 3>of course it is. And it's going to be even

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<v Speaker 3>more delicious content.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>Could the Kylon Jackie O Show rise from the dead.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be really interesting to see what she does, how

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<v Speaker 1>she handles it. How would you play this if you

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<v Speaker 1>were Jackie. Bearing in mind that she from her perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, started talking on the radio show about the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that she's really interested in astrology, the world of

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<v Speaker 1>wo that she's kind of got herself into now and

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<v Speaker 1>that she's genuinely interested in like a lot of women are,

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<v Speaker 1>and she got absolutely pasted about that by Kyle. She's

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<v Speaker 1>been through some serious health problems and an addiction issue

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<v Speaker 1>that she's talked about. She's been through a divorce, she's

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<v Speaker 1>a single mom. She's now going through her own court

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<v Speaker 1>battle to try and recoup some of that one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>million dollar contract from our n What do you think

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<v Speaker 1>she should do or how would you play it for

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<v Speaker 1>you with JACKIEO?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is another thing I think the JACKIEO is

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<v Speaker 3>probably one of our most successful and talented broadcasters in

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<v Speaker 3>this country. She's always just sort of been there. She's

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<v Speaker 3>done everything every type of medium, going back to the

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<v Speaker 3>pop stars days, and that's how she struck up such

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<v Speaker 3>a great friendship with people like Sophie Monk. And again,

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<v Speaker 3>I think she's an incredible talent. I think she has

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<v Speaker 3>a lot to offer. It will be interesting to see

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<v Speaker 3>whether she goes down the same rutus Kyle and decides

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<v Speaker 3>to launch her own media company or she does something

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<v Speaker 3>completely different and we see, you know, in six months time,

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<v Speaker 3>JACKIEO offering her life coach services.

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<v Speaker 2>Who knows.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she kind of tried her own media company, didn't she.

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<v Speaker 1>With her friend Jemma O'Neil, they had a podcast called

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<v Speaker 1>Her Best Life. They had a business called Besties, which

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<v Speaker 1>was about facilitating women's connections. They brought Megan Markele to

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<v Speaker 1>Australia to give a talk and it's kind of in

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<v Speaker 1>hiatus or it's fizzled out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you think that is? Is it that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle was always the star and she was always the sidekick.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's also the interesting thing because this could

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<v Speaker 3>be what also undoes Kyle, right, because I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>all well and good to jump on this train now

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<v Speaker 3>in the early days of the new Kyle Sandalans live

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<v Speaker 3>and again, as he says, three hours of him every

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<v Speaker 3>day could be a lot without the appropriate foil. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's why I think that those two were just like

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<v Speaker 3>such a successful combination. They were like the Sultan Vinegar

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<v Speaker 3>of media because they just balanced each other so well.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think that's going to be the ultimate test

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<v Speaker 3>for Kyle, whether he can actually sustain the success without

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<v Speaker 3>the appropriate foil which Jackie delivered him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and she was always the buffer against the claim

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<v Speaker 1>that he was a misogynist. You know, you mentioned his

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<v Speaker 1>kind of bad moments, and he's had plenty, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>been an idiot at various times over his career, but

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<v Speaker 1>he does own that and he has always had her

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of soften it has need to call him

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<v Speaker 1>out in the moment. That was the dynamic I have

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<v Speaker 1>to prove doing something.

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<v Speaker 2>Should she be feeling a little bit used?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I think that's just how chemistry

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<v Speaker 3>when a coupling in a professional context, specifically a forward,

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<v Speaker 3>a front facing, very public partnership like that. I think

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<v Speaker 3>they both compliment each other very well. So I think

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<v Speaker 3>potentially Rusty Crow could be prophetic and sort of say

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<v Speaker 3>that they will eventually get back together. I mean, this

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<v Speaker 3>could also all blow up in all of our faces,

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<v Speaker 3>thinking that they've broken up for good, and then all

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<v Speaker 3>of a sudden we see sort of Jackie slide back in.

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<v Speaker 2>Who knows.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think she would feel used, because I think

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<v Speaker 3>they were both incredibly successful together. I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's folklore in the industry that they always went into

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<v Speaker 3>contract negotiations with their radio bosses together and it was

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<v Speaker 3>very much whatever I get, she gets, whatever he gets,

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<v Speaker 3>she gets. So it will be interesting to see how

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<v Speaker 3>this sort of plays out and see how Kyle's trajectory continues,

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<v Speaker 3>because it will because he's you know, he's such a talent,

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<v Speaker 3>but also to see what Jackie does next and whether

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<v Speaker 3>their pards will cross.

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<v Speaker 1>He has said that there's always a spot for her

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<v Speaker 1>on the app on Kyle Sandelad's life.

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<v Speaker 2>She wants to join him.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine if she did, we would go back to thinking

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<v Speaker 1>that the bosses at Aarn of royally stuffed this up.

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<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't we.

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<v Speaker 1>Initially it looked like a catastrophe for them because it

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<v Speaker 1>looked like they were going to have to pay out

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<v Speaker 1>the contract anyway. Then Kyle settled for a relatively small

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<v Speaker 1>amount of money, I think twelve million dollars, and suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>they look like geniuses again. If Kyle makes this work,

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<v Speaker 1>takes their advertisers, maybe gets Jackie O, takes all the attention,

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<v Speaker 1>we can go back to thinking that they're idiots.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I've always been in that camp.

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<v Speaker 3>I just think that the suits at ARN have been outplayed, outwitted,

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<v Speaker 3>and they will be outlasted by the lord in stretching pants.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he's lost a teen kilos. Apparently his tracked acts

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<v Speaker 1>are the only thing that fit him. Now he's KISSFM

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<v Speaker 1>TRACKI acts.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course they were. And the slide, the ug boot slides.

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<v Speaker 3>I just think I just love it. And then the house,

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<v Speaker 3>you know he was talking about, Look at this new house.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm getting some work done. It's great for New Year's

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<v Speaker 3>Eve because that this incredible view and then he turns

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<v Speaker 3>and says, you're not coming out on anyone here. And

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<v Speaker 3>as I've written for The Australian, it says, in the

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<v Speaker 3>world now where we are inundated with AI slop and

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<v Speaker 3>losers trying to line up to go on reality television

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<v Speaker 3>for linear projects, having someone that is so genuinely and

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<v Speaker 3>authentically themselves and just you know, a bit of a bull,

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<v Speaker 3>fair bit of a slob.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here for it. I'm really enjoying it. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully the ug boots and the stretchy trackies will be

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<v Speaker 1>the new range of Kyle merch that we can buy

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<v Speaker 1>along with our subscriptions.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't my kids need to eat? And I'm probably gonna

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<v Speaker 3>buy them.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Jenna, Thanks Claire.

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<v Speaker 1>Jenny Clarke is an associate editor with The Australian. You

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<v Speaker 1>can read her review right now at The Australian dot

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<v Speaker 1>com dot au