1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Well, we need to apologize to this man because we 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: had him in the studio on Friday to give us 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: a great insight into the coronavirus. Little did he know 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: that the day before Richard Wilkins was in the studio 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: he should be in isolation himself. We know he was 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: washing his hands. Good mate of the show, Doctor Andrew Roger, right, 7 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: welcome buddy. 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 2: Well, well, well yeah, work well. 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 3: Relationship, Look where we're found ours. Do you know what 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 3: the difference was between yourself and Richard Wilkins, though, Doctor 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 3: Roch was when dick when Dicky walked Yeah, there's a 12 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 3: couple of differences. But when Dickie walked in, it was 13 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 3: all hugs and embraces. You coming in as a wise doctor, 14 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 3: you were handing out elbows and that was it. So 15 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 3: we didn't have any contact with you. 16 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: I feel like there is no global pandemic that should 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: ever stop Richard Wilkins from spreading the love. 18 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 3: I mean, you got to do it. If he stops 19 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 3: the world stocks he's so true. 20 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: I mean we haven't got that man yet, have we. 21 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: He could start his own virus down the track, couldn't 22 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: even take over the world, doc, which I would be 23 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: quite proud to catch. To be honest with you, Doc, 24 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: this is it's been unbelievable. The panic has gone crazy. 25 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: Thank you very much for coming on last Friday, because 26 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: he gave us the basics of how we catch it 27 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: and how we stay away from it. And it's just 28 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: as basic as washing your hands and sort of keeping 29 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: your distance from people. But see, can I just with 30 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: you this panic that's going around at the moment, Roch 31 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: This is what we got from Tommy, our producer Overnheim. 32 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: I got sent this from my brother in law. I 33 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: don't know how accurate it is from a cabinet briefing 34 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: this morning, and it appears to be underweight. The country 35 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: will go into lockdown Wednesday, the eighteenth of March. Now, 36 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: he basically then goes on to tell you that everything 37 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: will be shut down. It has been confirmed this morning 38 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: that that is a fake text message, Tom that you 39 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: sent through to everyone and you are heading to the panic, 40 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: spreading panics. Sorry, Rossie, Yeah, that's right. 41 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: I mean, does anyone ever believe any messages that Tom sents? 42 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: No, that's true. But how do you feel the media 43 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: is playing in something like the coronavirus? Are we adding 44 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: fuel to the fire doc. 45 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: I think we need to be very careful. And when 46 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: you look at what are the most important things when 47 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: anything major happens on a global level, I think, for me, 48 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: the most important setting aside all the really good health practices, 49 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 2: the most important is the transmission of communication, because invariably, 50 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: unless we're getting a really strong, solid, consistent level of communication, 51 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: we start to lose trust. And when you've got an 52 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: entire population of people that need to trust the information 53 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: starting to question that, then we find ourselves panic buying 54 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: toilet paper. I mean, it's the perfect example of the 55 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 2: fact that we can get a bit focused on on 56 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 2: how deadly is the virus, how many people are going 57 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 2: to die, how many people have got the virus day, 58 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: rather than recognizing that there's so many other things that 59 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: go on when you have this type of situation, and 60 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: hysteria and panic and bad information can cause just as 61 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: many issues a lot of the time as the virus can. 62 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, ruts the self isolation and obviously what we're 63 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 3: all experiencing now you know, we're coming from two from 64 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 3: five different suburbs around Sydney at home, bunker down. But 65 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 3: I mean, is it safe? Oh god, that's a silly 66 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: question because there's laws in place now. But is it 67 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 3: safe if I'm out and about and I want to 68 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 3: go to say, I don't know a park where there's 69 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 3: no one else around, and I wanted to take the kids. 70 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 3: You know, by practice, is that dangerous thing to do. 71 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: If you've come back with a positive test, Yes, you 72 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: shouldn't be out about if you're negative. And we've just 73 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 2: decided that as a community, we're going to do the 74 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: right thing, and we're actually going to try to self 75 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: isolate and self isolate as avoid each other as much 76 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: as we possibly can. That's okay. We need to keep 77 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 2: our distance, and that distance is somewhere between one point 78 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: five and two meters. We shouldn't be we should be 79 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: touching each other. There should be no handshakes, and obviously 80 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: we need to make sure that we're cleaning our hands. 81 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: But again, it's the flip side of balance. I think 82 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: if you tell an entire population to stay indoors, hide 83 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: under the bed, and don't breathe, you're going to cause 84 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: us a whole heap of problems. You need to be 85 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: able to communicate with people. What can we do? Because 86 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 2: we're humans, we need to be able to do things 87 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 2: to stay I guess some level of sanity because that 88 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: don't be important. But I think that especially when it 89 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 2: comes to avoiding the vulnerable, the elderly and those that 90 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: are reasons to be vulnerable, we really need to make 91 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: sure we're vigilant there. 92 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: Roch, I was talking to my wife yesterday about this 93 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: and not everyone's going to get the coronavirus. We know that, 94 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: But do you think, Roch, that everybody in Australia will 95 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: have a moment of isolation in their homes with their families. 96 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 2: Look, I'd be very surprised as much as you said 97 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 2: as you said that that via that text message was 98 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: a fake news. Here's the reality of the situation. It's 99 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: a public health pandemic globally. So the majority of countries 100 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: have now got cases, the majority of countries in their 101 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: habit for a period of time where you can see 102 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 2: the trajectory of the countries that are doing well and 103 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 2: the trajectory of the countries that aren't doing well. And 104 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 2: based on those numbers, you start to make decisions about 105 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: what are the guys that are winning for want of 106 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: the better? Are the guys that are doing well? What 107 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: have they done that has helped slow it rapidly, and 108 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,679 Speaker 2: what they've done is well, we aren't turned it around. 109 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: But if you look at Singapore, you look at Hong Kong, 110 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: you look at Taiwan right on the border of China, 111 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: they were pretty quick to get people into isolation, to 112 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 2: lock people down, and to put in place a whole 113 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: bunch of measures that sloaded quickly, whereas some of the 114 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 2: other countries that lagged they're now seeing major problems. So, 115 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 2: in my opinion, I think we would be naive and 116 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 2: a little bit arrogant to expect that we're just going 117 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 2: to be fine without putting in place some of those policies. 118 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: I mean France, Ireland, Italy, Italy sort of an outside 119 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: of it France and the closed schools, They've closed universities, 120 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 2: there's people home, and I just think that we cannot 121 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,799 Speaker 2: avoid the economic impact that this will cause. We cannot 122 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: avoid it. It is inevitable. The big question is what 123 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 2: are we going to do to reduce the time that 124 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: that occurs. For that, that's just my opinion. There's a 125 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: lot of different medical opinions out there, but I believe 126 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: we can't avoid it, and so we're going to have 127 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 2: to make sacrifices, and I prefer those sacrifices sooner rather 128 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 2: than later. 129 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 3: In my own slightly off topic from a medical point 130 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 3: of view, have we heard from China? Has there been 131 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 3: an apology made or anything like that? Have we had 132 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 3: a sorry about that guys? Anything? 133 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 2: I don't have a personal mind a China calling me. 134 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 3: No, but just in general discussion. I was sitting there 135 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 3: last night thinking, happen. Look what this has done to 136 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 3: the world. Have they? Have they any there's been a 137 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 3: press conference to say, guys, I'm sorry about that. We 138 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 3: didn't think that would get out with just kind of 139 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 3: shut down the world. 140 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 2: I think, look, to be fair, they had no idea 141 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: what it was when it showed up. So just take 142 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: this spot for a minute. You've got a whole bunch 143 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: of people showing up with vague flu like symptoms or 144 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: cold like symptoms at a cold time of the year, 145 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: saying I really don't feel well. If you're a doctor 146 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: in a hospital, you're saying you've got a cold, go home. 147 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: And they did that over and over and over again 148 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: until one doctor went hang on a second. All if 149 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: people were seeming home, aren't surviving necessarily and it's not working. 150 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 2: Out something different is going on. So unfortunately for Wuhan 151 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: and the Hubai Province and those guys in China, they 152 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 2: were the first, and we need a first. Unfortunately, you 153 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: learned some really really hard lessons and I think that 154 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: we can now start learning from what they've learnt in 155 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 2: the long run, which is they're starting to shut down 156 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 2: the temporary hospitals. They've hit their peak, it's starting to 157 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: plato out. That's because they did really really aggressive. 158 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 3: What about a vaccine? Right then, say again, what about 159 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 3: a vaccine? What's the update on the vaccine? We're hearing 160 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 3: reports that's been developed here in Australia in the States. 161 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: Well, I think there's been very few moments in history 162 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: where there's been a larger race to get something like 163 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: the seven billion people who want this vaccine. So there 164 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: are all major pharmaceutical companies, most research facilities are currently 165 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: trying to figure out how to do it. There's lots 166 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: of different ways to do it. We heard yesterday that 167 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: in Seattle, the first version of a vaccine there was 168 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 2: injected into a human. Basically, it's a very small part 169 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 2: of the DNA that's in the virus has been injected 170 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: into a human. What they're trying to do is get 171 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 2: the immune response, which in turn will then make that 172 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: person immune to the virus. Which is very similar to 173 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 2: a lot of different vaccines. But it's moving very fast. 174 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 2: The tricky thing with vaccines is you have to test 175 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: them properly, you have to make sure they're safe, you 176 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: have to make sure distribution can be done in such 177 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 2: a way that the world to get them. So it's 178 00:08:58,040 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: a lag. A lot of the time, it's twelve to 179 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: eighteen months. But I would argue, given the size of 180 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: the problem, and given that money sometimes moves things faster, 181 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: I reckon that the timeline to a to a working 182 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: vaccine is probably shorter than normal. 183 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, well we can tell you. Tommy Ivey's got 184 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: his results back this morning. He's negative, doc, which is 185 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: great news. 186 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 2: I was convinced after I heard he was in a 187 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: room with Richard Wilkinson he was going to be pregnant. 188 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 3: We haven't done that test. 189 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: But Tom, if you could just if you could just 190 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: we on this for us, that would be great. Perfect. 191 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: That's the other thing, guys, We've got to keep laughing. 192 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 2: We've got it. We've got to stay positive. We've got 193 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: to help each other because the mental health impact. I 194 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: don't know whether you've noticed, but the new normal is 195 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 2: something that's really impacting everyone, no one. We've got to smile, 196 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 2: we've got to keep each other positive, we've got to 197 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 2: stay on top of this in a sense from a 198 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 2: from a you know, supporting each other as much as 199 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: giving the good information. You know, you guys keep doing 200 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: what you do. Keeping people laughing is just as important. 201 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 3: And well. Paint the picture and the image of Tom 202 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 3: Ivy sitting at a Toyota Yaris wing on a stick 203 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 3: somewhere in Cremorn Point. 204 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: The world on world. Okay, Rich, when you get your 205 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: medical degree, mate, you're going to be a great doctor. 206 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: We really really appreciate your time, mate, and thanks coming 207 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: from welder on the. 208 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 2: Block, mate, I'm speaking it in the mail on a 209 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: Good luck tae mate, See you soon, Nova