WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 10 February

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Shery, lovely dulland looking forward to tonight's show.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on into the man cave because I've got about

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<v Speaker 2>four hours of stuff to talk about. Let's make the

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<v Speaker 2>most of the sixty minutes that we have. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>no sook's, no lefties. We like to do this every

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<v Speaker 2>few nights because we know you love it. James Morrow, Mtcanavan,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll be here in a moment of twoth time. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to absolutely give it both barrels to Anika wells Now.

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<v Speaker 2>She was out there preening and carrying on today. Wait

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<v Speaker 2>till I tend you about just how cushyer life this

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<v Speaker 2>Shela has gone versus the good people of small business

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia. And an Australian has played in and won

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<v Speaker 2>the Super Bowl, A very proud Australian, a very proud

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<v Speaker 2>Western Sydney boy.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll get to that in a moment or twoth time.

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<v Speaker 2>But first, as we know election, Prime Minister call it

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<v Speaker 2>when he designs, it'll be some time between April and May.

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<v Speaker 2>Earlier in April means less chance of a budget. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>ll wait and see when it is going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>But who do you believe the polls or the bookies. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>if like me, the United States election was very instructive

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<v Speaker 2>and the bookies were the ones who had greater clarity

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<v Speaker 2>than the polsters, then today is a very important day

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<v Speaker 2>because the odds of the Coalition winning are getting stronger.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, according to the very latest numbers which have

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<v Speaker 2>just been posted by sports Bet, the Coalition is now

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<v Speaker 2>down to a dollar fifty three, the Labor Party out

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<v Speaker 2>to two dollars fifty. Now what version, whether it's a

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<v Speaker 2>majority of minority, which way, all the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the fun to watch, But that is commanding, not total,

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<v Speaker 2>not complete. Obviously, once you're starting to get down where

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<v Speaker 2>the wa Labor Party is a like a dollar one

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<v Speaker 2>and the opposition is out to eleven bucks, then something

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<v Speaker 2>seems inevitable.

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<v Speaker 1>But they have been consistent.

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<v Speaker 2>They've been consistent since the end of last year and

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<v Speaker 2>it has been getting better for the Coalition since the

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<v Speaker 2>start of this year. After the Prime Minister trying to

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<v Speaker 2>take as little time off as possible in summer reset

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<v Speaker 2>reset their speech speech.

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<v Speaker 1>There no big change.

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<v Speaker 2>But you will have heard today about the opinion poll

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<v Speaker 2>which was up at the Redbridge people and given to

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<v Speaker 2>the Herald Sun this morning, which was about the outer

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<v Speaker 2>suburban factor. Now, of course the seats that Labor would

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<v Speaker 2>take for granted, places like where it we in the

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<v Speaker 2>state election. Well, we now know that there's a few

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<v Speaker 2>holes and that block of cheese, and there is a

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<v Speaker 2>good chance that there could be some dramatic things that

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<v Speaker 2>are going to happen in the suburbs at the election. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>whether that's enough to get the coalition closed or even

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<v Speaker 2>over the line to seventy six seats, well, that is

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<v Speaker 2>the entire game between now and then. But I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to take a moment or two. Once you've heard all

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<v Speaker 2>of the insights from Victoria, and we did all those

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<v Speaker 2>last night. Another reason to join us on Sunday nights,

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of what sports on or anything else that's on.

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<v Speaker 2>Make sure that you watch it live recorded or catch

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<v Speaker 2>up on streaming, because we get right into the granula

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<v Speaker 2>on the Sunday night, meaning most of that chat has

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<v Speaker 2>been done and you can start your Monday fully informed.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you've heard many people talk about this pole. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to take a couple of seconds to go through

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<v Speaker 2>the poll because it is going to start to tell

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<v Speaker 2>us the story of opportunity for the opposition, worry for

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<v Speaker 2>the government, or are there some silver linings in them

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<v Speaker 2>political clouds. Let's look at all of this together, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>the overall right now Labor Party is behind fifty one

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<v Speaker 2>and a half to forty eight and a half. Obviously

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<v Speaker 2>that would be a change of government. But let's start

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<v Speaker 2>to slice this pie up men and women. Now, there

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be a massive gendered part to this

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<v Speaker 2>election and about how people are going to vote. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>we know that men have been getting behind the Conservative

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<v Speaker 2>cause in places like the United States, Canada, and even

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<v Speaker 2>in places like New Zealand of course of recent times.

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<v Speaker 2>You can see there though the lead that the Labour

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<v Speaker 2>Party has with women is only fifty one to forty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>The lead with men is fifty four forty six in favor.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the coalition.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, basically in Australia, the electorate is male, half the

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<v Speaker 2>electorate is female, Half of the electorate is under the

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<v Speaker 2>age of fifty. Half of the electorate is over the

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<v Speaker 2>age of fifty. So when you start to see big trends,

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<v Speaker 2>then you're starting to see like a whole bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>people pulling in the right direction when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>the rowboat, so it is starting to tilt towards the right. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the best hope for the Labor Party is to hold

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<v Speaker 2>on to as many young voters as possible. At fifty

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<v Speaker 2>seven forty three. But I really want to show you

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<v Speaker 2>this number here because this is the silver lining for

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<v Speaker 2>the Labor Party people thirty five to forty nine. Labour

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<v Speaker 2>currently leads fifty one to forty nine. Now, generally speaking,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the demographic. This is the demographic that ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>is where most of the young families or people towards

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<v Speaker 2>the start or middle parts of their professional career are.

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<v Speaker 2>This is generally speaking, where a lot of swing voters are. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>as I mentioned before, over the age of fifty, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that obviously tends pretty hardcore blue.

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<v Speaker 1>Under the age of fifty. It only goes.

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<v Speaker 2>Hardcore in eighteen to thirty fours. So fifty one forty

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<v Speaker 2>nine is razor. I mean, that's rounding errors and did

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<v Speaker 2>they ask enough people in this place or that place?

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<v Speaker 2>But that tells you that obviously, the reason how they've

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<v Speaker 2>been able to get to a scenario where the Liberal

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<v Speaker 2>Party ends up in front is because of those massive leads.

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<v Speaker 2>Sixty five plus and fifty to sixty four, So people

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<v Speaker 2>over the age of fifty at least fifty five up

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<v Speaker 2>to sixty percent of those people going one way, and

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<v Speaker 2>not enough young people going Labour's way. Hence why this

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<v Speaker 2>thing starts to get tighter. Now I want to get

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<v Speaker 2>into another bit of detail here, because I reckon you

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<v Speaker 2>can cop it. Let's slice and dice as much as

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<v Speaker 2>this information as possible. Let's have a look at where

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<v Speaker 2>people live and how that is breaking down right now,

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<v Speaker 2>and how does this compare to where you are. You

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<v Speaker 2>can see, how's to slightly flatter picture than what you

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<v Speaker 2>just saw when it came to age and when it

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<v Speaker 2>came to gender. Unsurprisingly, people who live right in the

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<v Speaker 2>heart of the city is fifty four forty six in

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<v Speaker 2>favor of labor in the fifty five forty five would

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<v Speaker 2>see the Labour Party lose a whole bunch of seats. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this basically is the bet that you wouldn't need teal seats,

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<v Speaker 2>that you would be able to get enough seats to

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<v Speaker 2>get yourself to say seventy to then start negotiating after seventy.

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<v Speaker 2>If suburbs and there's plenty of those in Sydney Melbourne

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<v Speaker 2>and Brusban that are up for play, plus of course

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening in outer suburban adelaide what might be happening

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<v Speaker 2>in Darwin. And then once we get over to Western

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<v Speaker 2>Australia as well. The government however, sees a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a silver lining here in the provincial numbers, so

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<v Speaker 2>that would be say Woollongong or a Newcastle speaking in

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<v Speaker 2>New South Wales. Whether you count places like Darwin as

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<v Speaker 2>provincial or as capital cities, a demographer can get involved

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<v Speaker 2>in that. The reason I keep mentioning Darwin is the

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<v Speaker 2>seat of Solomon now that was held by the Liberal

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<v Speaker 2>Party for quite a period of time.

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<v Speaker 1>It then left the Liberal Party. It's been Labor ever since.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is a place that can swing Lingiari And again,

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<v Speaker 2>whether you counterplace like Alice Springs is a provincial place

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<v Speaker 2>or a country town again up to the demographers right.

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<v Speaker 2>But as you can see, suburbs they are moving and

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<v Speaker 2>moving hard. A ten point swing in those is pretty

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<v Speaker 2>bad for the government. The provincial sectors, though, may they

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<v Speaker 2>be able to hold the Liberal Party back from being

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<v Speaker 2>able to get near its minority and Labor able to

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<v Speaker 2>hold onto its minority. There are lots of seats in

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<v Speaker 2>it and around the Hunter Valley that along sort of

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<v Speaker 2>spoken as a bit of a white whale for the

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<v Speaker 2>Nats or the Libs.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what's about to happen?

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see And unsurprisingly the same margin in the suburbs

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<v Speaker 2>is reflected in regional Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>This one is really fascinating to me.

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<v Speaker 2>People that are born in Australia fifty one to forty

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<v Speaker 2>nine in favor of the Coalition people born overseas. But

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<v Speaker 2>hang on, aren't the Coalition the racist people trying to

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<v Speaker 2>scare people about foreign buyers and immigration?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Guess what again? That fascinating number. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if my team can toggle around here, but we'll do

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<v Speaker 2>our best. Okay, As you can see people born outside

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<v Speaker 2>of Australia fifty two percent. Then go back to out

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<v Speaker 2>of metropolitan areas. That's where people that are newer to

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<v Speaker 2>the country end up living. So if you've got a

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<v Speaker 2>lead amongst those outs born outside of the country, and

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<v Speaker 2>you've got a substantial lead in that out of metropolitan areas,

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<v Speaker 2>that's where maybe some of the taken for granted labor

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<v Speaker 2>vote will start to disappear. All right, A couple more

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<v Speaker 2>because I think you can handle it. And again I

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<v Speaker 2>want to get right into the data here. I know

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<v Speaker 2>there's an awful lot of it here, but you can

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<v Speaker 2>start to see the picture and you'll also start to

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<v Speaker 2>hear what they are saying when it comes to the election. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>lot about education. Now, this is a big issue in

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<v Speaker 2>American politics, about people who got a university education or

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<v Speaker 2>people who didn't even finish you at twelve. Fascinatingly to me,

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<v Speaker 2>people who have got a tafe or a trade Those

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<v Speaker 2>people are fifty eight to forty two right now in

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<v Speaker 2>favor of the Liberal Party. People who didn't finish your

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<v Speaker 2>twelve sixty four percent in favor of the Liberal Party.

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<v Speaker 2>The silver lining for the Labor Party is the people

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<v Speaker 2>who finished school but didn't go to university. They have

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty sizable lead there, fifty six forty four, and

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<v Speaker 2>again a sizeable lead of people who have been to university.

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<v Speaker 2>In the overall picture of Australians and what sort of

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<v Speaker 2>education they have, it's pretty even amongst all four of

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<v Speaker 2>these sectors. So you have a look at, say, the

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<v Speaker 2>leads of the people who never finished year twelve, the

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<v Speaker 2>leads of the people who are tayful vocational, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>how the Liberal Party gets its nose ever so slightly

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<v Speaker 2>in front, at least according to this one. The other

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<v Speaker 2>defining factor of what happened in America, and again why

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<v Speaker 2>they talk about what they talk about every day, is

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<v Speaker 2>none other than the amount of money.

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<v Speaker 1>That we all have.

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<v Speaker 2>For those that are sitting pretty in fact, earning more

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<v Speaker 2>than two thousand dollars a week, guess what they prefer.

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<v Speaker 2>The Labor Party people are running between one and two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars. They are preferring the Liberal Party. People earning

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<v Speaker 2>less than one thousand dollars a week. They are preferring

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<v Speaker 2>the Labor Party and the people who would prefer not

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<v Speaker 2>to say because they are either way about two thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>or perhaps way below one thousand, fifty nine to forty

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<v Speaker 2>one in favor of the Liberal Party. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>said these numbers and you go, jeez, how's it fifty

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<v Speaker 2>one forty nine, this is how you get the fifty

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<v Speaker 2>one to forty nine, right, A little win here, a

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<v Speaker 2>little win there, a little win here, a little win there.

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<v Speaker 2>And then finally, we have talked a lot about renting

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<v Speaker 2>versus owning, versus paying off a house or somebody who has.

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<v Speaker 1>Paid off their house. Have a look at how.

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<v Speaker 2>This looks now when it comes to homes people who

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<v Speaker 2>own the house outright Liberal sixty one thirty nine. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a third of the country. Remember, a third of the

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<v Speaker 2>country's trying to pay off a mortgage, and right now, amazingly,

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<v Speaker 2>despite the fact that they have had thirteen interest rate

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<v Speaker 2>rises since twenty twenty two, twelve of them under albow

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<v Speaker 2>the mortgage belt, well, that is basically a tie the

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<v Speaker 2>mortgage belt thirty to fifty four. Those are the two

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<v Speaker 2>regions that if they start to build a lead in

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<v Speaker 2>either direction, they're going to win the election. Fascinatingly with Renters,

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<v Speaker 2>generally the Greens vote helps push them. But you can

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<v Speaker 2>start to see that picture about what I believe to

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<v Speaker 2>be the general statistical path towards a prime ministership. People

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<v Speaker 2>who have a mortgage don't have an awful lot of money,

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<v Speaker 2>we're born in Australia, have pretty average education, and again

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<v Speaker 2>you can see a slightly spotted way that things are

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<v Speaker 2>leading when it comes to the polls. Again, everyone else

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<v Speaker 2>can talk the headlines, everyone else can tell you what

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<v Speaker 2>they know about the numbers. I'll show you the numbers

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<v Speaker 2>because on this show, remember I want to try.

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<v Speaker 1>To give you the data.

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<v Speaker 2>If I can give you the data, then those are

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<v Speaker 2>the bricks in the wall of the arguments that you

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<v Speaker 2>can have with other people. If you want people to

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<v Speaker 2>see what you have just seen here on Telly, spread

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<v Speaker 2>the video. It'll be up soon at skynews dot com

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<v Speaker 2>dot au. Now, if this is headed towards a minority parliament,

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<v Speaker 2>let's be honest. Green's MPs they're automatically going to go

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<v Speaker 2>with Labor. Andrew Wilkie is going to go with labor.

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<v Speaker 2>Helen Haynes is going to go with labor. So the

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<v Speaker 2>Labor Party probably thinks that they can afford to lose

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<v Speaker 2>even more seats than the coalition can if it gets

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<v Speaker 2>into a fight about whom.

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<v Speaker 1>Is owing to form the next government.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we know people like Rebecca Sharky and Bob Catter

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<v Speaker 2>have previously said that the first person that they will

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<v Speaker 2>turn to in a negotiation is the person with the

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<v Speaker 2>most number of seats. No way of knowing that until,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, after the election, which brings us to the

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<v Speaker 2>Tiffany teals. Now they will play quite a game between

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<v Speaker 2>now and the election, and for some reason the media

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<v Speaker 2>will let them play it where they will not even

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<v Speaker 2>begin to tell.

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<v Speaker 1>Us what their process of decision making will be.

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<v Speaker 2>Now they're going to say that's because they want to

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<v Speaker 2>leave everything open. But you can go into it saying, look, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>whoever has the most seats, they'll be the one who

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<v Speaker 2>will call first. That doesn't commit them to going one

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<v Speaker 2>way or the other, but at least gives us an

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<v Speaker 2>idea of how it starts. But as a group, if

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted to, they could take the one with the

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<v Speaker 2>fewest number of seats, add them and then that brings

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<v Speaker 2>them to the closest number to seventy six. Well, today,

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<v Speaker 2>finally we've got a little bit of it lit in

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<v Speaker 2>the indication of which way one of the teals is

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<v Speaker 2>going to go. Sophie Scomps represents the seat of mckeller,

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<v Speaker 2>formerly a Bromin bishop Fame and a place where James

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<v Speaker 2>Brown would like to take it back for the Liberal Party. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>she has started to put and I wouldn't say meat

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<v Speaker 2>on the bone, perhaps tomato sauce on the bone, but

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<v Speaker 2>this is what she says. Scamp said she would decide

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<v Speaker 2>her support in a hung parliament based on policies including

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<v Speaker 2>public integrity, while there already is, of course the National

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<v Speaker 2>Corruption Commission. Climate Change, well, that would be code for

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<v Speaker 2>labor health presumably code for labor, a key issue given her.

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<v Speaker 1>Background as a doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote, I personally have not been impressed with the policy

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<v Speaker 2>ideas that are coming out of the coalition. So she

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<v Speaker 2>is now leaning read in a seat that has not

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<v Speaker 2>voted read. As best as I know, ever, will this

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<v Speaker 2>be part of the consideration of people going into this

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<v Speaker 2>next election.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll all find out together. She decides to.

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<v Speaker 2>Hone in on what I explained in great chapter and

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<v Speaker 2>verse last week was truly about giving small business the

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<v Speaker 2>same tax concessions as big business, to take clients out

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<v Speaker 2>to lunch to say thank thank you for helping them

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<v Speaker 2>stay above float. Their lunch's policy is lightweight. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>lightweight sugar hit. It's not serious policy. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>see serious policy on the table about how you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to make a more prosperous, stronger, safer and secure country.

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<v Speaker 2>They're the only things that I'm worrying about. So we'll wait,

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see which way she's going to go. But she

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<v Speaker 2>is now starting to put together what the picture is

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<v Speaker 2>of which way she would go. If it came down

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<v Speaker 2>to her vote at an election. I want all of

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<v Speaker 2>the independence, regardless of where they own the country, to

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<v Speaker 2>start to put some meat on the bone. I want

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<v Speaker 2>the people who are paid to talk about politics for

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<v Speaker 2>a living to actually push them to go. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>know you're not going to tell me. I know you're

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<v Speaker 2>afraid that if somehow you show a little more red

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<v Speaker 2>or a little more blue, you're going to scare off

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<v Speaker 2>the people who've decided to go to teel a shade

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<v Speaker 2>of green. But still, can you start to tell us what?

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<v Speaker 2>And if they don't tell yet, then you can't vote

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<v Speaker 2>for them because there could be a very big decision

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<v Speaker 2>which is coming up on their way. But I've got

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<v Speaker 2>to go back to where we were last week because

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<v Speaker 2>there's another example of somebody who is talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>lunch's policy, and this one's going to be fun. In Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>there is a substantial difference between a small business and

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<v Speaker 2>a big business. It could be defined by the number

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<v Speaker 2>of employees you have or the turnover that you have.

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<v Speaker 2>According to Bureau Statistics, they define small businesses people who

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<v Speaker 2>have fewer the nineteen employees. By the way, about sixty

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<v Speaker 2>seven percent I think it is of small businesses are

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<v Speaker 2>sole traders, but small business makes up ninety seven percent

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<v Speaker 2>of all businesses in Australia. As you know, the decision

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<v Speaker 2>of the Liberal Party is to say that up to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thousand dollars that a small business, including a sole trader,

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<v Speaker 2>would be able not to have to pay fringe benefits

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<v Speaker 2>tax on taking a key client out to lunch. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not about buying tickets to the opera, u oasis or

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<v Speaker 2>getting a box and taking people to bathist. It is

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<v Speaker 2>about trying to do two things. One stimulate the cafe

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<v Speaker 2>and restaurant industry, which we've shown you many times is

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<v Speaker 2>on its knees because local people who might say be

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<v Speaker 2>the pool cleaner or their hairdresser or the person doing

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<v Speaker 2>the lawns might be able to take some of their

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<v Speaker 2>key clients out for a sandwich or a snitzel. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>remember when it comes to this policy, it's pegged at

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thousand dollars. But the number of soul traders or

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<v Speaker 2>very small businesses that would have twenty thousand dollars to

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<v Speaker 2>spend on such things as of course virtually non existent.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've spent some time talking about how the Labor

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<v Speaker 2>Party is trying to make this out like it's a

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<v Speaker 2>dollar of taxpayers money for monocle wearing, top hat wearing

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<v Speaker 2>cigar smoking.

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<v Speaker 1>Bosses to rip off their workers.

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<v Speaker 2>Ninety seven percent of all business in Australia are not

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<v Speaker 2>those people. And you know how much I am fond

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<v Speaker 2>of the cigars as it is for my health. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>do it, don't start. But perhaps that's why I focus

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<v Speaker 2>in on this blow. But that's the caricature that they

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<v Speaker 2>are trying to paint in and around this policy. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>step in Anika Wills. Now Anika Wills is the Sports Minister.

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<v Speaker 2>She's also the Age Care Minister. And didn't she think

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<v Speaker 2>she was so special today prancing around in question time?

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<v Speaker 2>Here she was trying to make it out like your

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<v Speaker 2>average local hairdresser was going to use taxpayer funds to

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<v Speaker 2>go off to the Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 4>According to the Collison's publicly defined parameters of their own policy,

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<v Speaker 4>business could spand up to twenty thousand dollars of Elizabeth's

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<v Speaker 4>own taxpayer funds to attend something like, for example, the

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<v Speaker 4>Super Bowl, to lather themselves in buffalo wings and babyback ribs.

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<v Speaker 4>Nodding along to Kendrick lamar.

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<v Speaker 2>Plase, Please now, I know all of this is just

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<v Speaker 2>about impress all the people behind her, or all of

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<v Speaker 2>the people up in the press gallery, which is every

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<v Speaker 2>time they look up, that's who they're trying to talk to,

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<v Speaker 2>or the people in the public gallery because they've got

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<v Speaker 2>a made up there.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at how I shoved it into the libs.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Anika, let's have a chat about who's got

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<v Speaker 2>the pretty life when it comes to sporting events. The

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<v Speaker 2>average small business and small business owner makes seventy five

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars a year. You make four hundred and three

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and sixty three dollars from the taxpayer. You were

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<v Speaker 2>accused of bending the travel rules so you could pretend

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<v Speaker 2>to have business in a place like Melbourne. But it

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<v Speaker 2>just happened to be at the same time as the

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<v Speaker 2>Melbourne Cup. Remember the photos that we have and have

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<v Speaker 2>discussed in the past as you're mucking around in the

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<v Speaker 2>bird cage, something that she did at last year's Melbourne

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<v Speaker 2>Cup as well. And if she wants to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>people who like going to sporting events at somebody else's expenses,

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<v Speaker 2>have a.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at this. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, she's the Sports Minister and she's going to tell

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<v Speaker 2>you that being the Sports Minister means she can do

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<v Speaker 2>all of these things. She went to the cricket a

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<v Speaker 2>lot this year over summer, she went to the PGA

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<v Speaker 2>Championship last year, the NRL, the AFL, the Brownlow that live,

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<v Speaker 2>the Formula one on a couple of days. She's often

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<v Speaker 2>got tickets to bring people with her or in some

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<v Speaker 2>cases as many as five.

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<v Speaker 1>People with her.

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<v Speaker 2>The sale GP tickets to Taylor Swift because that's part

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<v Speaker 2>of the job. Lots of other ones with cricket and

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<v Speaker 2>a league. And she was a guest of the Treasury

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<v Speaker 2>wine estates of the Melbourne Cup last year, the Women's

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<v Speaker 2>World Cup, where she, along with other Labor MPs, attended

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<v Speaker 2>the Labor Party conference in Brisbane, flew down to Sydney

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<v Speaker 2>for a game before flying back, all on taxpayer expense.

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<v Speaker 2>So the high of her to walk into Parliament today

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<v Speaker 2>and pretend that a tax policy that would mean small

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<v Speaker 2>business will be applying the same tax standards as big business,

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<v Speaker 2>i e. Ninety seven percent of the country's businesses would

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<v Speaker 2>not be charged fringe benefit tax for entertaining key clients.

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<v Speaker 2>How many businesses would she have any idea have got

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thousand dollars lying around to fly to the Super

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<v Speaker 2>Bowl next year in San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 1>Four fifths. Bugger all.

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<v Speaker 2>The average person who owns a small business minister barely

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<v Speaker 2>pays themselves. And even when they do pay themselves, you

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<v Speaker 2>earn how much more? Oh that's right, that much more,

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<v Speaker 2>and you've received not one, but three pay rises in

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<v Speaker 2>this term of parliament. Now, Anika Wells does consider herself

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<v Speaker 2>to be a potential rising labor star, and god forbid

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<v Speaker 2>your criticize her on social media. I've got quite a

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<v Speaker 2>few people who live in her electorate who send me

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<v Speaker 2>emails about how easily her team block constituents from social media. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>she's not going to be able to block this video

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<v Speaker 2>because of course her government wasn't able to censor the

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<v Speaker 2>Internet last year. So spread this around her electorate of

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<v Speaker 2>Lily that the lady on four hundred thousand dollars is

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<v Speaker 2>yet again sneering at every small business that she will

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<v Speaker 2>pretend to be on the side of between now and

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<v Speaker 2>the next election. She will claim that these small businesses

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<v Speaker 2>are so flushed with cash that if they want to,

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<v Speaker 2>they could go to the super Bowl, when they barely

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<v Speaker 2>have enough cash to go to the pub to watch

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<v Speaker 2>it on television. But it wasn't her only moment of

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<v Speaker 2>foot in mouth. Today Sam Kerr and what is playing

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<v Speaker 2>out with her case in the United Kingdom, I'm pro

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<v Speaker 2>cop so no surprise how I feel about that particular case.

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<v Speaker 2>But as also the father of soccer mad Matilda's daughters,

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<v Speaker 2>I understand the hero that is to kids. But just

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<v Speaker 2>as male sporting stars have lost their chance to be

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<v Speaker 2>captain or vice captain because of what they do off

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<v Speaker 2>the field, I think the same will probably apply to

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<v Speaker 2>Sam Kerr on No Know But Anika Wells who accepts

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<v Speaker 2>how many tickets to go and watch the Matilda's play

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<v Speaker 2>or jumping on and off the taxpayer funded jet to

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<v Speaker 2>get there?

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<v Speaker 1>She says, we're all with Sam.

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<v Speaker 4>I would never seek to interfere or comment on a

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<v Speaker 4>court trial process whilst it's in action, but I think

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<v Speaker 4>Australia certainly has Sam certainly has Australia behind it.

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<v Speaker 2>These people, right, they represent working class areas and they

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<v Speaker 2>pretend to be you know, for the worker, for the

0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:44.040
<v Speaker 2>normal person. Yet if God forbid, God forbid, the local

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<v Speaker 2>person with the lawn mowing run doesn't get hit with

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<v Speaker 2>fringe benefits tax when they go for schnitty. These people

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<v Speaker 2>they deserve what I hope is coming their way at

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<v Speaker 2>the election. But if they somehow are able to slide

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<v Speaker 2>their way through to another three years of government, well

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<v Speaker 2>they probably will try to see to the internet to

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<v Speaker 2>stop what I've just said, making it any further than

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<v Speaker 2>your television set. An interesting bit of study today about

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<v Speaker 2>a very significant number of Australians and I know there's

0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:13.720
<v Speaker 2>many of them watching us right now that really do

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<v Speaker 2>it tough. And it's not just renters, but it's a

0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:19.920
<v Speaker 2>specific type of renter. Now you know that I always

0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:22.480
<v Speaker 2>talk about this because there is fewer than zero point

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<v Speaker 2>seven percent of all properties in Australia that are currently

0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:30.840
<v Speaker 2>available for rent. Are you looking for a tenant? This

0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:33.800
<v Speaker 2>is with one and a bit million people being added

0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:37.840
<v Speaker 2>by this government where they're all paid pretty penny and

0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:39.840
<v Speaker 2>they don't have to live with any of its consequences,

0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:42.200
<v Speaker 2>but they bring in more people so they can barely

0:23:42.280 --> 0:23:49.240
<v Speaker 2>squeak a budget surplus. Well, retirees and particularly women is

0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:51.480
<v Speaker 2>a very significant area of those that are struggling to

0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:54.840
<v Speaker 2>pay their rent. Most older working Australians who rent do

0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:58.040
<v Speaker 2>not have sufficient savings to keep paying rent in their retirement.

0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:01.639
<v Speaker 2>More than half of all households as sixty five and

0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:05.080
<v Speaker 2>older who rent report a total net financial worth of

0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:10.240
<v Speaker 2>less than twenty five thousand dollars. How's that twenty five

0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:12.560
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars, So back to the less than one thousand.

0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Dollars in the bank.

0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:16.639
<v Speaker 2>Meantime, same people, same report, different spin though from the

0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:20.439
<v Speaker 2>ABC it shows you hear about the number of people

0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:27.000
<v Speaker 2>who are in pretty serious, pretty serious financial circumstances because

0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:28.119
<v Speaker 2>they are still renting.

0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:30.040
<v Speaker 1>This is after they have been working.

0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Single women the biggest single men couples, then the homeowners

0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:38.119
<v Speaker 2>with a mortgage. Of course, in terms of the financial stress,

0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:40.800
<v Speaker 2>you can see where the pressure is on. No, no, no, no,

0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:44.480
<v Speaker 2>they don't understand that because they've got their hands out

0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:46.720
<v Speaker 2>for the free upgrades and the free flights are but

0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:48.240
<v Speaker 2>they're still on the side of the worker.

0:24:48.400 --> 0:24:48.800
<v Speaker 1>Please.

0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:52.760
<v Speaker 2>As for cost of living and the overall issue, that

0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:55.199
<v Speaker 2>will be one of the biggest at this election, that

0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:58.359
<v Speaker 2>along with housing, is going to be front and center.

0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:01.840
<v Speaker 2>We learned today that the average Australian family has forked

0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:06.760
<v Speaker 2>out more than a one thousand dollars extra extra at

0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:09.760
<v Speaker 2>the supermarket than they did the previous year before. The

0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:12.359
<v Speaker 2>average izz he now spends two hundred and thirteen dollars

0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:13.280
<v Speaker 2>on groceries a week.

0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Jesus this person.

0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, that's a fraction of what we spend in our house,

0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:22.680
<v Speaker 2>equal to an eleven point five percent increase. This is

0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:25.080
<v Speaker 2>compared to where we were twelve months ago. That of course,

0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 2>is worse than twelve months before and worse than twelve

0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:31.159
<v Speaker 2>months before that. Overall, eleven hundred bucks extra more than

0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:33.320
<v Speaker 2>a quarter of Australians twenty five percent. So the cost

0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:35.760
<v Speaker 2>of groceries is one of the biggest worries they have

0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:39.240
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to financial issues in the next couple

0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:43.000
<v Speaker 2>of years. Unbelievable stuff. Now, let's also talk about other

0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:47.840
<v Speaker 2>people's money and local council, not Citney Council will make

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:49.960
<v Speaker 2>a decision in the next couple of hours. I'll double

0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:54.000
<v Speaker 2>check what it is about a mega increase in their rates.

0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:55.160
<v Speaker 1>This is despite the fact.

0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:57.600
<v Speaker 2>That they make millions and I mean millions of dollars

0:25:57.600 --> 0:26:01.200
<v Speaker 2>out of parking fines. But there are plenty of councils

0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:03.560
<v Speaker 2>that well, I don't think of that judicious with the

0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:06.240
<v Speaker 2>spending of the rate payers money. Yet they are crying

0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:07.800
<v Speaker 2>poor and they are saying that we need to increase

0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:11.199
<v Speaker 2>the taxes on them. Seven hours on climate change and

0:26:11.240 --> 0:26:15.359
<v Speaker 2>benefits of cycling. We're among the overseas visits that were

0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:18.480
<v Speaker 2>taken by council staff and councilors. Last financial year, Sydney

0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:21.360
<v Speaker 2>councils ran up a combined seven million.

0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:22.679
<v Speaker 1>Dollars in travel overseas.

0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:25.680
<v Speaker 2>The City of Sydney rate payers one hundred and eighty

0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 2>three thousand dollars, including twenty three thousand dollars on flights

0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:32.800
<v Speaker 2>and accommodation for eight staff, not the councilors, the staff

0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:37.080
<v Speaker 2>to go on overseas visits. Paramatta seventy one and a

0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:41.399
<v Speaker 2>half thousand dollars for its counselors and its staff to,

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:44.080
<v Speaker 2>among other things, go to a library conference in the

0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:47.720
<v Speaker 2>Netherlands or a six day study tour in London. You

0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:51.160
<v Speaker 2>know the Internet exists, kids, You can get reports from

0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:52.679
<v Speaker 2>how the systems are going. You don't have to go

0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:55.560
<v Speaker 2>and see it with your own eyes. Camden and Blacktown

0:26:57.720 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 2>they also have overseas travelers well, with millions of dollars.

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Back to the Northern Beaches Council that we've talked about

0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:09.159
<v Speaker 2>over the recent weeks, here on the show. They of

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:12.400
<v Speaker 2>course are planning well. They have voted for a massive increase.

0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:16.080
<v Speaker 2>Yet guess what they've had forty percent increase in the

0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:19.560
<v Speaker 2>amount they spend on food and grog on themselves. A

0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Sydney council proposing a forty percent rate rise that happened

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:25.880
<v Speaker 2>is splurging one hundred and forty thousand dollars on booze

0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:31.280
<v Speaker 2>and food for official meetings. The Kringa Council spends twenty

0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:33.679
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars on a two night workshop up in the

0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:37.040
<v Speaker 2>Blue Mountains of Sydney at the Hydro Majestic, where, among

0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:40.680
<v Speaker 2>other things, they were going to have to leave their

0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:43.280
<v Speaker 2>own council area to talk about how to respond to

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:46.359
<v Speaker 2>the government's force development push. They couldn't do it in

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:49.280
<v Speaker 2>their own council chambers, They couldn't do it at their

0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:52.919
<v Speaker 2>own local restaurant. They couldn't rent a function room somewhere

0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:55.960
<v Speaker 2>up and down the Pacific Highway. No, they've got to

0:27:55.960 --> 0:28:00.640
<v Speaker 2>bager off to the Blue Mountains. Unbelievable. Will waste these

0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:02.800
<v Speaker 2>and then the balls to turn around and say we're

0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:08.800
<v Speaker 2>so skinned when you are not paying the press secretaries

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:12.400
<v Speaker 2>for these councils. One hundred thousand dollars when you are

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:15.240
<v Speaker 2>not flying the staff overseas to check out what a

0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:17.000
<v Speaker 2>library looks like in the Netherlands.

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:18.439
<v Speaker 1>Then we'll believe you.

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:22.240
<v Speaker 2>When you actually take the millions of dollars in rates

0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 2>that you all get and fix the freaking potholes, then

0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:28.480
<v Speaker 2>we can have a chat about the increase. But of

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:32.639
<v Speaker 2>course you'll just do it anyway. People will complain, and

0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:36.000
<v Speaker 2>because people don't really care about who their counselors are,

0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 2>when it comes time to election, you'll be able to

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:41.400
<v Speaker 2>slither away back into office because I think I remember

0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:47.040
<v Speaker 2>that person's face from the local paper. Disgraceful. So let's

0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:51.520
<v Speaker 2>end on something happy though. The Philadelphia Eagles absolutely turned

0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:53.680
<v Speaker 2>the Kansas City Chiefs inside out like a pair of

0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:56.080
<v Speaker 2>socks today at the Super Bowl. I love the NFL

0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:59.719
<v Speaker 2>and obviously this is its showcase event, and how good

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:03.000
<v Speaker 2>is this? An Australian did not just play but one

0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:06.840
<v Speaker 2>as a part of the Philadelphia Eagles, and did not

0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 2>the Australian media love the Aussie win of the Super Bowl,

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:14.960
<v Speaker 2>and they were all over the place covering things like

0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:18.160
<v Speaker 2>his school in Western Sydney and the kids who were watching.

0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 5>So what do you think he's thinking, feeling, are going

0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:24.080
<v Speaker 5>to be calm, nervous, excited.

0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:26.239
<v Speaker 1>I think he's a bit of everything to us.

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:27.280
<v Speaker 3>By the day's happy days.

0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:29.800
<v Speaker 1>One's there, Yeah, everyone's next supporting.

0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:32.120
<v Speaker 6>How's Jordan playing so far? He's going all right.

0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:33.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean the score says it ah, but we really

0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 1>need to say anything.

0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 2>But without doubt, the best Ossie angle on the Aussie

0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 2>playing in the team that won the Super Bowl.

0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:50.800
<v Speaker 1>His dad, I fall off Joe and Shaul crab of him.

0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:55.320
<v Speaker 1>Killer jacket, killer jacket. I love it.

0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:57.560
<v Speaker 2>I love it all right now, as you know, we're

0:29:57.600 --> 0:29:59.040
<v Speaker 2>coming to Bateman's Bay in a couple of weeks for

0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 2>our first ourtown of year. The following night we're going

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:03.560
<v Speaker 2>to do our first pub test and we're not waiting

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:05.440
<v Speaker 2>for the Prime Minister to call the election.

0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 1>We are into it.

0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 2>Which is the seat of Gilmour, one of the most

0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:11.760
<v Speaker 2>marginal in the country in and around that Batman's Band

0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:13.959
<v Speaker 2>South Coast area. If you would like to join us,

0:30:13.960 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 2>and you are someone in the area who would like

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:19.280
<v Speaker 2>to ask a question of the candidates, send me an.

0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Email right now.

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Pub test at skynews dot com dot au. If we

0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:24.960
<v Speaker 2>see requests for thirty tickets. We know that is someone

0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:27.720
<v Speaker 2>trying to rig the room. Okay, so we want the

0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:30.600
<v Speaker 2>good people of Gilmour. Yes, you can double up if

0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:33.040
<v Speaker 2>you're coming on the Sunday too, It's okay, relax. Two

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:36.080
<v Speaker 2>shows from that part of Australia. That one Monday, the

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 2>twenty fifth, the first pub test where it's kind of

0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:40.600
<v Speaker 2>politics in the pub but on the Telly and I

0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 2>love that part of what we do. You send the

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 2>email at pub Test at skynews dot com dot au

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:47.280
<v Speaker 2>quick break back with more no sooks, no Lefties and

0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:52.760
<v Speaker 2>a very special guest from the territory. Before we're done,

0:30:54.440 --> 0:30:56.560
<v Speaker 2>I had good sis, no sooks, no left is James

0:30:56.640 --> 0:30:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Morrow here kicking us as always on the US Report,

0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:02.880
<v Speaker 2>doing his best and doing so on the wonderful outside

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 2>his programming. Your reading of the Daily Telegraph and send

0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 2>in Matt Canavan. First place he drops into each and

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:10.160
<v Speaker 2>every week on his Round of Sky is here on

0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:12.160
<v Speaker 2>pal Marie Live. And I do very much appreciate it,

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 2>my dear friend. All right, let's talk about Trump and tariffs.

0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 2>All right, everyone's sitting down, everyone's sitting down. We're going

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 2>to get an exemption. Okay, We're going to get an

0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:23.360
<v Speaker 2>exemption because in the same way the relationship between Australia

0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:25.840
<v Speaker 2>and the United States is at times irrelevant as to

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:27.360
<v Speaker 2>who the president, who the Prime minister is.

0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:28.960
<v Speaker 1>The reality is is.

0:31:28.960 --> 0:31:30.960
<v Speaker 2>That Trump made this announcement while he was on Air

0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Force one speaking to American American reporters. Australia will get one, okay,

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 2>whether it's the long way or the short way. There

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:40.800
<v Speaker 2>are plenty of people around him that aren't in government

0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:44.320
<v Speaker 2>that are very pro Australia. And we just gave five

0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:47.400
<v Speaker 2>hundred million dollars with the exchange rates and now eight

0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 2>hundred million dollars when it comes to orcus.

0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 1>So, James, am I a little too rosy in my thinking?

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:53.959
<v Speaker 1>Or is that where we're going to get?

0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? No, I think we do wind up somewhere around there.

0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:58.240
<v Speaker 3>We also we need to sort of put the soul

0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:01.200
<v Speaker 3>in perspective to the US doesn't make the top five

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:04.560
<v Speaker 3>of our steel export correct destination. So this is not

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:07.200
<v Speaker 3>the huge blow to the ustry. Yes, disappointing. I mean

0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:09.520
<v Speaker 3>a couple of other points about this too. Timberlair has

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 3>got a great column in Tomorrow's Daily Telegraph where he

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 3>talks about how you know, why are people on the

0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:18.000
<v Speaker 3>left so upset? Why is Malcolm Turvill upset? They've got

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 3>what they want. They've got a carbon tax essentially on

0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, the steel and almdium ministries, which they would

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 3>have gotten you know, otherwise. But I think but there

0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:28.520
<v Speaker 3>will be some sort of quid pro quote. There's never

0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 3>it was. There's an art of the deal here, so

0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 3>there's going to be something else. Now the question is

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 3>whether or not the Prime Minister is sophisticated enough to

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 3>see what that is and make that deal. I don't

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.280
<v Speaker 3>suspect that Albanezy and Trump are going to have a

0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 3>warm relationship like sure Morrison did with him, and you know,

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:52.840
<v Speaker 3>like other leaders like the Japanese Prime minister did in

0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:53.960
<v Speaker 3>the four one does you know? So?

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, this is the thing.

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:56.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm just not going to fall into the trap of, Look,

0:32:56.680 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Speaker 2>we don't know how to phil about Karen Rott and

0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Karen rod and all of these guys. It makes it

0:33:01.040 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 2>all harder, right, But Australia as its fundamental and our

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 2>proximity to the United States means we're not going to

0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:09.480
<v Speaker 2>get the asterisk in the major announcement. It happens under

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:11.840
<v Speaker 2>a flood of other announcements in the next couple of days.

0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:14.280
<v Speaker 2>That's my thoughts, Senator am I offered the theories, or

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:15.640
<v Speaker 2>is that probably what happens.

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:19.120
<v Speaker 5>Look, I hope you're right, and I hope you're right, Paul,

0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:21.360
<v Speaker 5>I'm not so sure. I think we should prepare for

0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:25.600
<v Speaker 5>the worst. It's always the wiser strategy in life. I mean,

0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:28.440
<v Speaker 5>Donald Trump seems pretty committed this time, and maybe this

0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:30.880
<v Speaker 5>time will be different than last. And as you point

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:33.640
<v Speaker 5>it out, we're not quite as strong a position as

0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:36.520
<v Speaker 5>we were when Joe Hockey was there either. But look,

0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:40.120
<v Speaker 5>I mean, going to James's point, not only has the

0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:42.720
<v Speaker 5>Labor Party in the Greens and Malcolm Turnbull got the

0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:45.520
<v Speaker 5>carbon tax they always wanted, we've already put a carbon

0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:47.320
<v Speaker 5>tax on all of these facilities.

0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 6>So the steel.

0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 5>Mills in our country, the aluminium smelters, all faced labors

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:55.120
<v Speaker 5>carbon tax, which they call the safeguard mechanism.

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:57.720
<v Speaker 6>It's just a Normalian name for US carbon tax.

0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:00.360
<v Speaker 5>So why don't we just take our internal TI tarff's

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:04.440
<v Speaker 5>off our own businesses? Why is there this meltdown when

0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:07.960
<v Speaker 5>the US president puts effectively at tax on our own industries,

0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 5>And as James has pointed, out. They're not the biggest

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:13.600
<v Speaker 5>markets we face anyway. Yet we are turning around and

0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:17.759
<v Speaker 5>putting our own internal tariffs on our own internal businesses

0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:20.440
<v Speaker 5>and factories. Other countries don't do this, They're not putting

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:23.479
<v Speaker 5>carbon taxes on their businesses. Why are we weighing down

0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:26.840
<v Speaker 5>and anchoring down our own businesses. If we're that worried

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 5>about Trump's tariffs on our aminium and steel, let's get

0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:32.839
<v Speaker 5>rid of the carbon tax on our aminium and steel too.

0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:35.359
<v Speaker 2>What seems to be the last chapter of the long

0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:37.840
<v Speaker 2>saga of the protesters who went to the house of

0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:40.799
<v Speaker 2>the boss of Woodside over in Western Australia.

0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:44.319
<v Speaker 1>None of them are going to be going to jail now,

0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:44.759
<v Speaker 1>you know.

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:47.440
<v Speaker 2>This is when the ABAC was tipped off, came with

0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:49.520
<v Speaker 2>them filmed at all for all to see.

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:51.319
<v Speaker 1>And there's plenty of issues in and around that.

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<v Speaker 2>But Matt, at some point, regardless of what you how

0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:58.759
<v Speaker 2>holy your cause happens to be, how does somebody not

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:03.320
<v Speaker 2>even get like a weekend of weekend detention for going

0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:07.400
<v Speaker 2>to somebody's house and terrorizing them.

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<v Speaker 5>Look, I think that's a very good question, Paul, and

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:13.399
<v Speaker 5>I don't know the details of this case, but maybe

0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:16.160
<v Speaker 5>the law is inadequate here because I think they've only

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:18.319
<v Speaker 5>been given fines of two and two and a half

0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:22.040
<v Speaker 5>thousand dollars. It does not seem adequate for the crime

0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:22.839
<v Speaker 5>that occurred here.

0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 6>I mean, we just.

0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 5>Passed the law last week that does have multi year

0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:31.760
<v Speaker 5>penalties for people who graffiti swastikas or other hate symbols

0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:35.120
<v Speaker 5>and intimidate people. Well, of course there's not much an

0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:38.279
<v Speaker 5>act more intimidating and going to someone's house and their

0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:41.959
<v Speaker 5>home like these people have. So if it's good enough

0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:46.440
<v Speaker 5>for those crimes the hate symbols to carry with it

0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:49.839
<v Speaker 5>a prison sentence, I think the same should happen here.

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<v Speaker 6>The basic fact is that this is not free speech.

0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:54.160
<v Speaker 5>You do not have the right to interfere with other

0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:56.200
<v Speaker 5>people going about their day. You don't have a right

0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:58.439
<v Speaker 5>to go to people's home and terrorize them. There needs

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:00.719
<v Speaker 5>to be tougher penalties to get these bars off past

0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:03.920
<v Speaker 5>straits and stop trying to make these cheap and political points.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean again, James, you know, I'd love seeing

0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:10.920
<v Speaker 2>the tales and the rest of way more simpler and humane.

0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Society and the safest society all the rest of it.

0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:14.759
<v Speaker 1>Right the public square, I get it.

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:17.239
<v Speaker 2>We're all up for the people to say what they want,

0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:22.280
<v Speaker 2>but the public square is not your driveway at your ass.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, like you know, as with Matt, I'm

0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 3>not as familiar with this case and the real details

0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:29.200
<v Speaker 3>and were they on the property or not, what were

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:31.400
<v Speaker 3>they doing where they say? But you know that said,

0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:34.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, I also get a little lyric to oh, well,

0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:37.000
<v Speaker 3>let's just pass more laws, because passing more laws doesn't

0:36:37.040 --> 0:36:40.520
<v Speaker 3>actually do anything if you've got a judiciary that doesn't

0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 3>use the laws that are already available to them. You know,

0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:47.360
<v Speaker 3>here in New South Wales we have theoretically very tough laws,

0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:51.040
<v Speaker 3>very tough laws, Paul, about you know, protesting in such

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:54.480
<v Speaker 3>way that you are interrupting economic activity. And yet you

0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:56.920
<v Speaker 3>have had over and over again, you've had the people

0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:59.799
<v Speaker 3>who go and block the port of Newcastle Harbor, who

0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:03.440
<v Speaker 3>go and do things where they hang off of Gurney's

0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:06.719
<v Speaker 3>over you know, realize the stuff call trades and you know,

0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:09.279
<v Speaker 3>the punishments have been very fad in the week in

0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:12.799
<v Speaker 3>most cases, and you have these people who are serial protesters,

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:16.239
<v Speaker 3>and Paul, you know, I am a huge free speech guy.

0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:18.880
<v Speaker 3>I am a First Amendment guy all the way, and

0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:21.839
<v Speaker 3>I wish we had protections like that here. For our

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:24.719
<v Speaker 3>speech bore generally that said, you know these people who

0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:29.239
<v Speaker 3>are not protesting, they're just vandalizing their committee. Economic vandalism,

0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:32.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, that sort of thing has to be discouraged.

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:34.359
<v Speaker 2>Well, I get to block the Harbor Bridge because of

0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 2>my feelings, judge children, But the judges don't use the law.

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 1>We don't need more laws.

0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:42.719
<v Speaker 3>We need to use the laws that we've already got

0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 3>on the book.

0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 2>So Australia as miners, in their pre budget submission would

0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:48.920
<v Speaker 2>like the treasure which would be a little smarter with

0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:50.960
<v Speaker 2>the money and the billions of which that come out

0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:53.279
<v Speaker 2>of the ground thanks to the hard work and the

0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:57.280
<v Speaker 2>investment of the mining companies. Senator, it makes obvious sense

0:37:57.360 --> 0:38:00.080
<v Speaker 2>that they would like a little better spending here. But

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:02.080
<v Speaker 2>are we starting to see a bit more confidence back

0:38:02.080 --> 0:38:04.080
<v Speaker 2>into the mining sector, who previously used to sort of

0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 2>sit in the corner now turning around and saying, you

0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:09.640
<v Speaker 2>know what, charmers, we actually are the reason you're in surplus. Well,

0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:11.480
<v Speaker 2>that and a whole bunch of taxes on things like

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:15.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, booze and smokes. But we're actually going to

0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:18.080
<v Speaker 2>rattle the tin here, because without us, you've got nothing.

0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:22.680
<v Speaker 5>Look, I am sensing that, Paul, I think I suppose

0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 5>a lot in the industry have reached a tipping point

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:29.440
<v Speaker 5>to some degree. There were a lot of significant profits

0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:31.040
<v Speaker 5>made on the back of the Ukraine War and the

0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:35.160
<v Speaker 5>commodity prices that occurred after that. That has now, that

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:37.840
<v Speaker 5>has now come back in and what a lot of

0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:40.920
<v Speaker 5>these money companies are left with is much much higher costs.

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:43.279
<v Speaker 5>It was just out of Cold Mine a few weeks ago,

0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:46.840
<v Speaker 5>just before Christmas, and their costs had almost doubled in

0:38:46.880 --> 0:38:49.960
<v Speaker 5>the space of the last six years. And that's just

0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:52.840
<v Speaker 5>not sustainable. Of course, their energy costs are up, diesel

0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:56.040
<v Speaker 5>costs are up, the red tape and approval costs are up,

0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 5>the new industrial relations laws, and we've just got to

0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:00.000
<v Speaker 5>get to a stage here. We've got to stop putting

0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:02.440
<v Speaker 5>barriers in the way of Australian business.

0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:03.800
<v Speaker 6>It goes back to my point earlier.

0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:08.040
<v Speaker 5>Let's stop all panicking about another country's president in Donald Trump,

0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:10.840
<v Speaker 5>and actually start doing things that help our own country.

0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:13.560
<v Speaker 5>We have so much natural resources, we have so much opportunity.

0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:16.240
<v Speaker 5>We should not have to be reliant on another country

0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:19.440
<v Speaker 5>for our prosperity. Let's take our own let's make our

0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:21.279
<v Speaker 5>luck again. Right, We're a lucky country, but you've got

0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:23.360
<v Speaker 5>to make your own luck. Let's start doing that again.

0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:26.400
<v Speaker 2>Lots of conversations about where to save and how to

0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:28.440
<v Speaker 2>save in the federal budget. And James, can we just

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:32.360
<v Speaker 2>take a second just to take people through some of

0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:35.839
<v Speaker 2>the stupidity about Musk and Doge and all the rest

0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:38.600
<v Speaker 2>of it. Right, Okay, here's the deal. The United States

0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:43.320
<v Speaker 2>is thirty something trillion dollars in debt, thirty seven trillion

0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 2>dollars in debt. There clearly is a need to pull

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:51.000
<v Speaker 2>back any additional monies onto that. Okay, so At is

0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:54.120
<v Speaker 2>heart and soul. That's the job that Musk has, right.

0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Yet the freakout is the freak out. But isn't this

0:39:58.000 --> 0:39:59.759
<v Speaker 2>what they were hired to do.

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:01.560
<v Speaker 1>It was what they were hired to do, you know.

0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:03.160
<v Speaker 1>And we had a CBS poll.

0:40:02.960 --> 0:40:07.520
<v Speaker 3>Out today which found that seventy percent of Americans say

0:40:07.560 --> 0:40:10.960
<v Speaker 3>that Trump is executing on his promises, and he's got

0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:14.560
<v Speaker 3>a fifty three forty seven approval rate overall, which is,

0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:17.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, pretty good, especially for a guy with as

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:19.360
<v Speaker 3>much controversy around him as he is.

0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:20.120
<v Speaker 1>And the media.

0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:22.080
<v Speaker 3>And you know, the thing is, we have had all

0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:25.719
<v Speaker 3>of this stuff exposed, and the crazy thing he is here.

0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:28.319
<v Speaker 3>You know, every time there's something exposed, you know, they

0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:30.959
<v Speaker 3>get more mad at the exposure. Yes, then the fact

0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:33.680
<v Speaker 3>that the money is being wasted. They found, for example,

0:40:34.040 --> 0:40:36.600
<v Speaker 3>hundreds and hundreds of social security efforts where benefits are

0:40:36.600 --> 0:40:38.640
<v Speaker 3>being paid to people who were one hundred and fifty

0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:42.480
<v Speaker 3>years old. Small amount of money overall, and yet it's

0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:45.239
<v Speaker 3>like the first question isn't why weren't there ways to

0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:45.880
<v Speaker 3>stop this?

0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:46.759
<v Speaker 1>And a million.

0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 3>You know, and you've got that and again, you know

0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:52.160
<v Speaker 3>we were talking about judges before, Paul, Well, you know

0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:54.360
<v Speaker 3>you've got the same activist judge problem. You had to

0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:58.719
<v Speaker 3>judge issue a temporary restraining order, say all Trump political

0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:03.160
<v Speaker 3>appointees could not go into the treasury, including the Secretary

0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:04.360
<v Speaker 3>of the Treasury.

0:41:04.840 --> 0:41:06.879
<v Speaker 2>This is how insane it is right now, Yeah, yeah,

0:41:06.920 --> 0:41:09.200
<v Speaker 2>it is. It is ridiculous. I've got thirty seconds though.

0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:12.200
<v Speaker 2>Senator but Ross Kittens, writing today in the Nine Papers,

0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:14.040
<v Speaker 2>he says, look, everyone loves the idea of cutting spending

0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:16.400
<v Speaker 2>until it's the thing that you like government spending money on.

0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Isn't that one of the central problems of all politics.

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<v Speaker 5>I think things are shifting though, Paul. I've since I

0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:24.640
<v Speaker 5>spoken to someone the other day and focus groups people

0:41:24.640 --> 0:41:27.360
<v Speaker 5>are now saying that the governor's got to spend less money.

0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 6>I think people understand.

0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:31.759
<v Speaker 5>People understand that over the past few years they've done

0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:33.759
<v Speaker 5>it very tough and almost everyone in this country has

0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:35.640
<v Speaker 5>had to tighten their own belts and they look it

0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:38.080
<v Speaker 5>down at Canberra and are very perplexed why their own

0:41:38.120 --> 0:41:39.239
<v Speaker 5>governor is not doing the same.

0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:41.399
<v Speaker 6>So that's that I think is resonating right now.

0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:43.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, correct, all right, and you know as again that

0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:48.320
<v Speaker 2>sports minister banging on about small business and police pretending

0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:49.960
<v Speaker 2>they're all preparing to run on for the Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the real world, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, thank you to appreciate it, Senator, future senator,

0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:55.759
<v Speaker 2>if you'd like to at any point in time, I'm good.

0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought you might be.

0:41:57.120 --> 0:41:58.960
<v Speaker 6>Or it's got to come up with his US citizenship.

0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Well it might be running against AC. It'll be a

0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:06.960
<v Speaker 1>fun primary, all right, WHI the Republican? All right, quick

0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:07.680
<v Speaker 1>break back with more.

0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:11.319
<v Speaker 2>Leah Fanokio is an absolute star of Australian politics. She's

0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:14.440
<v Speaker 2>a young, dynamic leader who is turning the territory around.

0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk to her about the job ahead, but also

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:21.279
<v Speaker 2>about how women like her have gravitated to the right

0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:28.680
<v Speaker 2>side of politics. Morna see, I couldn't be a bigger

0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:30.360
<v Speaker 2>fan of this lady. She's the Chief Minister of the

0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Northern Territory. Leah Fanokiaro joins us now from that beautiful

0:42:33.880 --> 0:42:37.759
<v Speaker 2>part of Australia. Chief Minister, Hello, been first time since

0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:41.320
<v Speaker 2>you took on the position, so firstly, congratulations, but secondly

0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:43.200
<v Speaker 2>thanks for the chat house Darwin tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Where are you in the territory. It's good.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm out in Palmerstan, which is where my allectriate is.

0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:53.719
<v Speaker 7>But monsoon has finally arrived, so we're actually getting some rain,

0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:55.399
<v Speaker 7>which is great to see. We were all a bit

0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:58.040
<v Speaker 7>worried for a while there, but it should be a

0:42:58.040 --> 0:42:58.439
<v Speaker 7>good one.

0:42:58.520 --> 0:42:59.920
<v Speaker 1>All right, good stuff. I want to talk about a

0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:00.719
<v Speaker 1>couple of things.

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<v Speaker 2>I love your rockstar moment when last year a whole

0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:06.480
<v Speaker 2>bunch of protesters are carrying on You're at an oil

0:43:06.520 --> 0:43:09.680
<v Speaker 2>and gas a conference and you basically said bugger off,

0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:10.839
<v Speaker 2>go back to Melbourne.

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:14.360
<v Speaker 1>I know how that played in every bar in Darwin.

0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:17.120
<v Speaker 2>I know how that played when people saw you on

0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:18.320
<v Speaker 2>the street note out after.

0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:20.360
<v Speaker 1>But this is the reality.

0:43:20.360 --> 0:43:23.240
<v Speaker 2>We've got to have people in leadership who know whether

0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:27.000
<v Speaker 2>the threats are organic, whether the protests are local, whether

0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:29.080
<v Speaker 2>they are real, or whether they are just people that

0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:34.200
<v Speaker 2>are going on sort of you know, protest tourism.

0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:37.880
<v Speaker 7>That's exactly right, Paul, And the territories in too fragile

0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:41.239
<v Speaker 7>a position to waste any time. I'm not here to

0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:44.719
<v Speaker 7>maintain the status quo or quite frankly, do anything that

0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:47.640
<v Speaker 7>labor's done for the last eight years. And so we've

0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:50.680
<v Speaker 7>got a mandate to deliver change. We've got an enormous debt,

0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 7>and we've got a lagging economy, and we don't deserve

0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:56.399
<v Speaker 7>any of those titles. So my job is to get

0:43:56.440 --> 0:43:59.200
<v Speaker 7>rid of that red tape, forge the territory ahead, and

0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:02.640
<v Speaker 7>call out the activism and law fare that's been destroying

0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:05.480
<v Speaker 7>the territory for far too long. That ends on my watch.

0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:08.200
<v Speaker 2>So how does it work in a very practical sense?

0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:10.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously, one of the things that anyone who

0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:13.040
<v Speaker 2>is able to sit in a high office like yours

0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:14.839
<v Speaker 2>is that part of the job is you know, you're

0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:17.839
<v Speaker 2>all powerful, and at times you don't have the power

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:20.400
<v Speaker 2>to wiveh the magic ones that you want. But of

0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:23.600
<v Speaker 2>the power you have been able to exercise, how have

0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:26.160
<v Speaker 2>you been able to push some of the roadblocks out

0:44:26.200 --> 0:44:27.520
<v Speaker 2>of the way to help the territory.

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<v Speaker 7>It's been fantastic, And today I launched our year ahead,

0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:36.200
<v Speaker 7>which is going to be marked by action, certainty and security.

0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:40.040
<v Speaker 7>So for example, starting one July, we're lifting our payroll

0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:43.080
<v Speaker 7>tax free threshold from one point five million to two

0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:46.600
<v Speaker 7>point five million and excluding apprentice and trainee wages, which

0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:48.959
<v Speaker 7>is huge. You want to run a business, come here.

0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:53.160
<v Speaker 7>We're starting our Territory Coordinator legislation this week, which is

0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:56.840
<v Speaker 7>a game changer in how we're going to facilitate projects

0:44:56.880 --> 0:44:58.360
<v Speaker 7>of significance.

0:44:57.760 --> 0:44:58.600
<v Speaker 2>In the territory.

0:44:58.920 --> 0:45:02.680
<v Speaker 7>We're also really excited today I announced that we're abolishing

0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:07.080
<v Speaker 7>third party merits review from the Petroleum, the Water and

0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:10.480
<v Speaker 7>the Planning Acts and that's got some of the environmentalists

0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:13.160
<v Speaker 7>there's a little bit rough with their pool, but we're

0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:15.399
<v Speaker 7>just going to continue to push through. We know it's

0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:18.360
<v Speaker 7>in the best interest of the territory. And like I said,

0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:22.279
<v Speaker 7>until we change the regulatory framework for the territory, we're

0:45:22.280 --> 0:45:25.520
<v Speaker 7>going to keep going down This dark hole. And my

0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:28.000
<v Speaker 7>job is to pull us up, move us forward, and

0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:31.600
<v Speaker 7>deliver a territory where people can achieve their dreams and aspirations.

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<v Speaker 2>What about Alice Springs. How do we help Alice Springs

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<v Speaker 2>because we know the tough times that they've had and

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<v Speaker 2>the tough times that haven't extended into these days.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it has been tough. I've been down there I

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<v Speaker 7>think seven times now, and it's you know, it's starting

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<v Speaker 7>the road to recovery. People in Alice, as you well know,

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<v Speaker 7>are absolutely sick of it. They're traumatized by the experience

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<v Speaker 7>they've been subjected to for too long. But we stood

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<v Speaker 7>up some really key operation. I mean, there are five

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<v Speaker 7>hundred more people in prison today than there were before

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<v Speaker 7>the August election, and we stood up a fugitive task

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<v Speaker 7>force that went and tracked down high risk, high harm

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<v Speaker 7>offenders and we arrested over sixty in Alice Springs alone.

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<v Speaker 7>So we've put in the hard yards, given our police

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<v Speaker 7>stronger powers. We'll continue to back that town. And we've

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<v Speaker 7>made some great infrastructure investment announcements at a really important

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<v Speaker 7>community level, like a new multicultural hall, a new library,

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<v Speaker 7>the Alice Springs Art Gallery, some great projects that mean

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<v Speaker 7>a lot to the people on the ground, and we'll

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<v Speaker 7>just continue to show Alice Springs we've got their back

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<v Speaker 7>and we'll deliver. You know, our actions will speak louder

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<v Speaker 7>than our words, and that's what that town needs right now,

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<v Speaker 7>is action.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there's another thing I want to ask, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is a little bit more personal. So forgive me.

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<v Speaker 2>You are a mum, You're forty years old, You're at

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<v Speaker 2>peak life with plenty more life in front of you, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're roaring right, just in a nampaging proprice. She's

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<v Speaker 2>roaring too. What is it about the sheelers of the

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<v Speaker 2>Northern Territory. You don't just see the light, but they

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<v Speaker 2>take the bull by the horns and they just get

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<v Speaker 2>on with it.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, well we It's called territory tough pole, and I've

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<v Speaker 7>got a hat to prove it.

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<v Speaker 1>So look, you know, when you grow up here.

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<v Speaker 7>You have an extraordinary opportunity at life and everyone's treated

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<v Speaker 7>equally and you can go and achieve your dreams. The

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<v Speaker 7>territory has given me everything. I just had the most

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<v Speaker 7>wonderful childhood growing up fishing and running around barefoot and

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<v Speaker 7>getting ready for goose hunting season in the wet season,

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<v Speaker 7>I mean just iconic stuff, camping outdoors, family values, and

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<v Speaker 7>I think that's what's really important, is getting the territory

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<v Speaker 7>back on track. You know, we've lost our way big time,

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<v Speaker 7>and it's actually not that complicated. People want to raise

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<v Speaker 7>their families how they want to. They don't want to

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<v Speaker 7>be told what to think and when to think it.

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<v Speaker 7>They don't want government in their laundroom telling them how

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<v Speaker 7>to run their lives. My job, and I know we've

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<v Speaker 7>hit success when people feel safe, when that we've created

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<v Speaker 7>an environment where their families can achieve their dreams and aspirations.

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<v Speaker 7>That's what a government should be looking to do, is

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<v Speaker 7>setting up the environment for everyone to choose their path forward.

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<v Speaker 7>And you know, I think you know what's drawn me

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<v Speaker 7>to this is that reward for effort, the sense of

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<v Speaker 7>personal responsibility and you know, we can all, we can

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<v Speaker 7>all do great things for this world and for our families,

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<v Speaker 7>and you've just got to put the hard work behind it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you're a rockstar.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds you can hear from a long way away.

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<v Speaker 2>Many people around the country just just punching the air.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank goodness, people like yourself are in leadership again. Congratulations

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<v Speaker 2>let's keep talking, but I wanted to take a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of minutes to hear what you were doing, but also

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<v Speaker 2>to say we got your back, mate, We got your

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<v Speaker 2>back all of us layer.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you, Take care everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>How good is she Leah fornookiaro there? She is the

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<v Speaker 2>chief Minister of the ryal And Territory. I mean getting

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<v Speaker 2>midle of labor and the territory is really difficult because

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<v Speaker 2>once you've had a party that's there for a long

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<v Speaker 2>period of time, like what Chruso Fooley has been able

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<v Speaker 2>to do in Queensland, what hopefully others will do in

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<v Speaker 2>other places. It's tough, all right, but what an example

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<v Speaker 2>we keep being told about the Liberal Party and the

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<v Speaker 2>profile of women all the rest of it. Remember I

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about before about women thirty five fifty five,

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<v Speaker 2>bang in that, bang in that an example of the

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<v Speaker 2>types of people who've picked aside and are trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get a result a Leah Fanuki aio and you sent

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<v Speaker 2>an amputuper price both on the absolute front lines and

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<v Speaker 2>big weapons, big weapons coming for the federal government at

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<v Speaker 2>the upcoming election. That's our show tonight. Thank you very

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<v Speaker 2>much for watching. None other than the Great Niger farrages

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<v Speaker 2>on tomorrow. The Late Debate next