1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Before we begin. This episode is full of adult concepts 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: and language from the Australian. Here's what's on the front. 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: I'm Claire Harvey. It's Wednesday, June five. A quarter of 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: disability workers quit in the past year, many to get 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: higher wages in aged care. That's the takeout from a 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: new report which also shows widespread fraud in the NDIS 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: where providers are using funds to obtain drugs. The Federal 8 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: government's Affordable Housing Agency spent more than twenty four million 9 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: dollars on consultants and six million on executive salaries last 10 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: year without building a single dwelling under the government's promise 11 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: to create forty thousand social and affordable houses. That's an 12 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: exclusive live on the Australian dot com dot a You 13 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: right now today, the shocking story of a New Zealand 14 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: born criminal who's been offending across three decades in Australia 15 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: and why the federal government has failed to send him 16 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: back home. In nineteen seventy eight, a four year old 17 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: boy arrived in Australia to begin a new life with 18 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: his family. He's Glen Taylor, born in nineteen seventy four 19 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: in New Zealand. He's left Australia at times over the years, 20 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: but has been here since two thousand. He's a New 21 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: Zealand citizen, not an Australian. Here's what the Administrative Appeals 22 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: Tribunal says about Glen Taylor. 23 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: The applicant has an extensive criminal history between nineteen ninety 24 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: three and twenty twenty three, who was convicted of over 25 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: thirty five offenses, including common assault, contravening, apprehended domestic violence, order, 26 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:59,919 Speaker 2: drug possession, assault, occasioning actual bodily harm and stalk intimidation offense. 27 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: He has more than thirty five convictions and has served 28 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: jail time for offenses including shoplifting, resisting police, carrying implements 29 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: for breaking into cars, assaulting police, threatening witnesses, and breaching 30 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: COVID rules. In two thousand and seven, while drunk, he 31 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: entered the house of his partner, who had an AVO 32 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: against him, threw a metal ash tray and screamed at her, 33 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: you are the reason I'm going to jail. I'm going 34 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: to fucking kill you. I'm going to use your face 35 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: as a bloody dart board. She barricaded herself and the 36 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: children inside the bedroom and called police. Taylor bashed a 37 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 1: man on a train after he refused to hand over 38 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: his phone. He terrorized a neighbor, He breached more AVOs. 39 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: He attacked and threatened police, resisted arrest and damaged property. 40 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: He used ice and abused alcohol. He sent one hundred 41 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,399 Speaker 1: messages to a woman who'd taken out an AVO against him, 42 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: and threatened dire consequences if she didn't withdraw the AVO. 43 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: In April twenty twenty three, his visa was canceled on 44 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: character grounds, and Taylor appealed to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. 45 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: He presented evidence he'd completed a remand domestic abuse course. 46 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: In July twenty twenty three, Taylor was convicted of breaching 47 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: an apprehended domestic violence order and his visa was again rejected. 48 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: He went back to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, saying he 49 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: was sober and sorry for what he'd done. Aat Deputy 50 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: President Antoinette Yunes, a solicitor and psychologist who was appointed 51 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: by the Morrison government after serving as an advisor to 52 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: former Minister Michaulia Cash, heard his case. We've used a 53 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: voice actor to bring you her words. 54 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: During the hearing, The applicant accepted the seriousness of his conduct, 55 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: and although there were occasions where he could not recall 56 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: the specifics of his conduct, he nevertheless expressed remorse and 57 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: apologies for his conduct. The Tribunal is satisfied that the 58 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: applicant's apologies and expressions of remorse are genuine. The applicant 59 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: contended that his criminal record should be considered in light 60 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: of his traumatic brain injury which occurred in Australia in 61 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven. 62 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: That brain injury occurred when Taylor was assaulted, resulting in 63 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: a fractured skull. Miss Yunes accepted that he was a 64 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: risk to the community, that he had committed family violence offenses, 65 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: and that he still has two active avios against him, 66 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: but she accepted that he had strong ties to Australia, 67 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: including a sister. Although she said Taylor couldn't live with 68 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: her and two adult sons, he believes he has an 69 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: adult daughter, and Miss Yunes accepted that Taylor had nieces 70 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: and nephews in Australia who could benefit from a relationship 71 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:51,799 Speaker 1: with him. 72 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 2: The Tribunal has satisfied that, given the lengthy period the 73 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 2: applicant has spent in Australia, and although his ties may 74 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 2: not appear to be strong, they are nevertheless ties which 75 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: need to be considered in the context of a person 76 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,239 Speaker 2: who is vulnerable due to his brain injury and drug 77 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 2: and alcohol dependence. It is reasonable to suggest that it 78 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 2: is plausible that his criminal conduct, particularly the family violence, 79 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 2: adversely impacted on his relationships and the strength of those ties. 80 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: The tribunal said it didn't have any evidence of the 81 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: impact on Taylor's victims of him being allowed to stay. 82 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: The Commonwealth fought against Taylor at every turn in the AAT. 83 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: It argued he was a risk to society, he had 84 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: no enduring ties to family, he was in fact a 85 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: risk to his nieces and nephews because of his history 86 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: of substance abuse and violence, and that the Australian community 87 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: expects criminals like him to be deported. But the tribunal 88 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: said this and this is why Glenn Taylor's case comes 89 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: back to the federal government. It's all about Direction ninety nine, 90 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: a new policy introduced by Immigration Minister Andrew Giles, which 91 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: says one of the factors the AAT must consider is 92 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: the length and strength of an offender's ties to Australia. 93 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: Here's what Antoinette Yune said in her tribunal decision. The 94 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: Direction indicates that Australia will generally afford a higher level 95 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: of tolerance of criminal or other serious conduct by non 96 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: citizens who have lived in the Australian community for most 97 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: of their life or from a very young age. Direction 98 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: ninety nine introduced the principle that the level of tolerance 99 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: will rise with the length of time a non citizen 100 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: has spent in the Australian community, particularly in their formative years. 101 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: The applicant has been in Australia for most of his life, 102 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:52,679 Speaker 1: including during his formative years. He's on the Disability Support pension. 103 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 1: He has a possible diagnosis of schizophrenia. He has depression 104 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: and anxiety. 105 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 2: Although the Tribunal acts the respondent's contentions that the applicant 106 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 2: could continue to receive commensurate treatment in New Zealand, which 107 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: has comparable medical services available to that of Australia, the 108 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,679 Speaker 2: Tribunal is of the view that the brain injury presents 109 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 2: a significant impediment on the applicant's ability to settle in 110 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 2: New Zealand and navigate a different environment. 111 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: The Tribunal except in New Zealand had extensive health services 112 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: Tailor could access. 113 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: However, that access must be considered in the context of 114 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: his brain injury, which would impact his ability to understand, 115 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: engage and navigate new procedures. It is not far fetched 116 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: to suggest that the brain injury could impact his ability 117 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: to find employment, housing, and a support network. 118 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,119 Speaker 1: Taylor has a father in New Zealand, but he's nearly 119 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: eighty and unlikely to be able to provide much help. 120 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: On the cumulative evidence, the Tribunal has satisfied that if 121 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: removed from Australia, the applicant would experience significant mental, emotional, 122 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: practical and financial hardships which would be difficult to overcome 123 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: given his significant brain injury. 124 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: And so Tribunal Deputy President Antoinette Yunees revoked the cancelation 125 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: of his visa. In other words, Glen Taylor wins. He 126 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: gets to stay. After the break, one of Glen Taylor's 127 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: victims speaks out for the first time the immigration scandaling 128 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: golfing the Federal government could cost Anthony Albanezi his first Minister, 129 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: and subscribers to The Australian have been following this issue 130 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: in detail for months now. Join US by being the 131 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: first to know. Subscribe at the Australian dot com dot 132 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: a U We'll be back after this break. One of 133 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: Glen Taylor's victims, Jessica Mills, is speaking for the first 134 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: time to The Australian today. She was a neighbor of 135 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: Glenn Taylor. 136 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 3: What we went through no family should have to go through. 137 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 3: Glenn should have been deported. Why is he still here? 138 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 3: Why if they can let him in? And then there's 139 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 3: criminal charges that have been laid against them time and 140 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 3: time again. How many times did there have to be 141 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 3: laid out for them to actually be like, all right, 142 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 3: this person is not a good person in our country. 143 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 3: Like you come to God's land, you follow the rules. 144 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: Jessica Mills told her story to our reporters Alexi Demitriati 145 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: and Liam Mendez. 146 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 4: Came very clear, very quickly, and having that chatted with 147 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 4: her across two days. She's a really strong, world smart 148 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 4: and also of course brave woman. Single mum raised her 149 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 4: five relatively young kids on the Central Coast and she 150 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 4: is probably the first voice of a victim standing up 151 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 4: during this crisis, calling for change, saying enough is enough 152 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 4: or when is enough going to be enough? She is 153 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 4: one of many victims across multiple convictions and multiple years 154 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 4: of a New Zealander called Glenn Taylor. Taylor was a 155 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 4: then neighbor of her and her and her family were harassed. 156 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 4: Taylor made a threat to Jessica if she didn't drop 157 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 4: an avo. She took out against him and her property 158 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 4: was vandalized and damaged by Taylor. He was convicted for 159 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 4: those crimes in May of last year. She was keen 160 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 4: to speak out and be a voice, hopefully to enact 161 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 4: some form of change to address the system issues and 162 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 4: make a permanent difference. 163 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: Direction ninety nine that's the ministerial policy that has caused 164 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: the Albanese government so much grief. It was issued after 165 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: intense lobbying by New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardun, who 166 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: wanted to prevent Kiwis, who had grown up in Australia 167 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: and committed crimes in Australia sent back to New Zealand. 168 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: Minister Andrew Giles has at various times blamed his department 169 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: and the Administrative Appeals Tribunal for the mess saying they've 170 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: overemphasized the importance of an offender's ties to Australia. The 171 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: Minister says he never intended this to keep hardcore criminals 172 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: in Australia, and that in fact the direction was supposed 173 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: to make Australian women safer by introducing a new requirement 174 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: for the tribunal to consider whether an offender had committed 175 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: family violence crimes. But the Government has dumped Direction ninety 176 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: nine and now it's struggling to avoid dumping the minister himself. 177 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 5: Thanks Speaker. A short time ago I spoke with New 178 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 5: Zealand Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters. I spoke to him 179 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 5: about the changes our government will soon be making to 180 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 5: strengthen community safety in Australia. I conveyed to him that 181 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 5: Direction ninety nine has not been working as intended and 182 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 5: that we will be revoking Ministerial Director nine and issuing 183 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 5: a new revised direction to make sure that the protection 184 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 5: of the Australian community out was all other considerable books. 185 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 3: As the Minister concluded. 186 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: His answer, thanks for joining us on the front. This 187 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: story is moving fast. 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