WEBVTT - Paul Murray | 21 April 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:07.000 From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Shari. 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:11.920 Pope Francis has died, as you know, the news came 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:14.520 to us just before six pm straight in Eastern time. 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:18.480 And the process that will now take place to elect 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:23.200 his successor that will begin in a few days after 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:26.520 the funeral, which is expected in the next week. Then 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:29.760 nine days of formal morning inside the Catholic Church. Then 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:34.720 paper conclave can be held most likely anywhere between fifteen 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:39.519 to twenty days after the death of a pontiff. Obviously 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:41.080 that'll be our focus at the start of the show. 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:42.960 We'll be going live to Europe in a moment or 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.640 two time. And then of course we're back to the election, 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.240 because tomorrow is the day when the very first votes 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:52.520 will be cast in an election that is they fork 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:55.280 in the road for Australia about whether he continues on 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:57.440 the path that it currently is, one that many people 0:00:57.480 --> 0:00:59.639 say is the wrong track, that every poll has told 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:02.440 us is the wrong track right now, or whether we'll 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:05.679 have an opportunity to start things over again to get fresh, 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:08.360 new and focused leadership. We'll talk about that of course, 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:10.479 as always this evening no zooks now left East. 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:11.080 This Monday night. 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:14.520 Matt Canavan here Freier Leech as well. Looking forward to them, 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:17.080 and don't forget this Sunday night, Calgooley. If you can 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.360 get anywhere near that beautiful part of Western Australia, love 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:21.400 to see you. We're going to be there Sunday, going 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:24.920 to be in Perth for Anzac Day and in Cawgooley 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:26.720 on Sunday if you'd like to join us. Ourtown at 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:30.120 skynews dot com, ourtown at skynews dot com dot au. 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:35.800 So Pope Francis has passed away. He's done so on 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:38.760 what is referred to as Easter Monday in places like Australia, 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:42.440 but he was part of formal services yesterday as late 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:46.880 as yesterday at the Vatican. Extraordinary thing to see the 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:50.000 while obviously in the final full day of his life. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:55.280 He was being driven through the crowds, an extraordinary sight 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:59.360 so close to his death. The statement from the Vatican 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:02.960 came just around six pm Australium Eastern time. 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:07.600 Tonight car you see me forlier. 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:11.000 Dear brothers and sisters, with deep sorrow, I must announce 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:14.079 the death of our Holy Father Francis at seven point 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.880 thirty five this morning. The Bishop of Rome, Francis returned 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:21.040 to the House of the Father. His entire life was 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.840 dedicated to the service of the Lord and his Church. 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.079 He taught us to live the values of the Gospel 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:31.960 with fidelity, courage, and universal love, especially toward the poorest 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:36.240 and most marginalized. With immense gratitude for his example as 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:39.280 a true disciple of the Lord Jesus, we commend the 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:42.880 soul of Pope Francis to the infinite merciful love of 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:43.919 the Triune God. 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:49.120 Born and served in Argentina, he became the first Pope 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:53.560 of the Americas. That happened some thirteen years ago. He 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.240 was a humble man and a humble man who didn't 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.920 even believe he was to become pope. In fact, he 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:03.560 had a returned ticket booked ahead of the conclave that, 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:07.000 of course was called after the previous pope had announced 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.080 that he was going to step down. He of course 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:12.560 did so before the end of his life, before eventually 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:17.840 dying in solitude within the walls of the Vatican. Channel 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:19.800 nine one of the many that have put together a 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.600 look back at an extraordinary life to become the leader 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.079 of more than a billion Catholics around the world. 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:29.080 Two hundred and sixty five popes had come before him, 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:32.919 but his was a papacy of firsts, the first pope 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.040 from the Americas, the first pope from the Southern hemisphere, 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:39.360 the first Jesuit in the role. Born in Buenos Aires 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:43.119 in nineteen thirty six, Jorge Mario Bergoglio was the son 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:47.000 of Italian migrants who escaped fascist Italy. In twenty thirteen, 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:50.880 at the age of seventy six, his fellow cardinals elected 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:58.720 him leader of the world one point three billion Catholics. 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.120 The process of selecting a new pope will be a 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.760 decision made by the cardinals of the world, who are 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:08.520 on their way as we speak to Rome to make 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:12.360 that holy choice. In the past couple of hours, these 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:15.320 live photos which come from Vatican City, these live pictures, 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.760 I should say, the empty square out the front of 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.159 the Vatican, and anyone who's been lucky enough like I 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.440 have in our lives to be able to visit this 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:28.560 incredible place, of course, a nation amongst the many nations 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:30.520 of the world, and right in the middle of Rome. 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:35.160 It is its own country, of course, Vatican City. There 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:38.360 are many thousands which are making their way to mourn 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:42.239 the passing of the Pope, and also many will stay 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:45.240 through the process of his funeral, and then even more 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:48.440 will be there upon the announcement of the next Pope. 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:52.240 The process of the conclave, which is the process by 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.719 which the cardinals of the world will vote for whom 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:59.560 becomes the successor and the head of Catholic Church, is 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.320 one that fictionalized in a film that was nominated for 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:07.919 Best Picture this year called Conclave. At times ridiculous film, 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:11.440 but still an interesting insight into the privacy and the 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:15.679 positioning that does take place, because this is the ultimate 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:19.320 center of power for as I say, bidding people around 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.640 the world again Channel nine with what happens next and 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:25.040 the process of selecting the next Pope. 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:27.640 What you will see over the coming days is that 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:31.560 square fill up with pilgrims from around Europe and indeed 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:35.160 further afield as they come to pay tribute to Pake Francis, 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:38.360 who has died at the age of eighty eight. Of course, 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.880 the death of a pontiff triggers a huge transition for 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:44.360 the Catholic Church. After Pove Francis is farewell, the new 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:46.960 head of the church needs to be appointed in what 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:50.280 is truly a deeply symbolic process. 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:53.719 Menyful as well, not just symbolic. In a moment we 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:57.039 will be crossing live to Rome. But first some of 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:00.640 the reaction that has happened around the world. His Majesty 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:04.880 King Charles has released the following statement. My wife and 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.200 I most deeply saddened to learn of the death of 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:11.880 Pope Francis. Our heavy hearts have been somewhat eased, however, 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.600 knowing that his Holiness was able to share an Easter 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.640 greeting with the church and the world that he served 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:18.800 with such devotion. 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:20.039 Throughout his life and ministry. 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:23.120 His Holiness will be remembered for his compassion, his concern 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.960 for the unity of the Church, and for his tireless 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:29.920 commitment to the common causes of all people of faith 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.200 and to those of goodwill who work on the benefit 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.000 or work for the benefit of others. In Australia, the 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:38.080 Prime Minister spoke just after the news. 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:44.640 His message that he sent out echoed in our region. 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:50.760 During his historic visit to Indonesia, Papu, New Guinea, Singapore 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:54.479 and tim or less Stay, the first pope from the 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:59.200 Southern Hemisphere was close to the people of Australia. For 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:03.719 Australian Catholics. He was a devoted champion and loving father. 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.719 Pope Francis lived out his faith and vocation in word 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:12.240 and deed. He was truly inspirational. 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:16.480 The alternative Prime Minister has also released a statement following 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:17.200 the news. 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:19.240 On behalf of the coalition. 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:23.200 I expressed my condolences to Australians of Catholic and Christian 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.080 faith upon the very sad news of the death of 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:29.640 the two hundred and sixty sixth Pontiff. His Holiness, Pope 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:33.480 Francis served God with the utmost devotion throughout his life. 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.120 He was the first pope from the Jesuit order and 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:39.920 the first Latin American pope. He lived frugally and simply, 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.880 above all else, he was driven by Christ's values of 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:45.200 mercy and forgiveness. 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:50.080 Colin Flynn is the Vatican correspondent for the Catholic News 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.240 Network and he joins us now at live from Rome 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:55.240 at this solemn time column. The process that is going 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:57.320 to be playing out, we'll get to that in a moment. 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:59.320 But how would you describe the papacy? 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:00.160 That is just. 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:04.880 Well, I always say that the papacy is in the 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:06.920 eye of a beholder. You know, there are some that 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.040 celebrated the life in the papacy of Pope Francis, others 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.920 who condemned it. But I can tell you for certain 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:14.640 that this news has come as a shock to all 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.400 of us. I was there in Saint Peter's Square yesterday 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.760 for the celebration of the beautiful Easter Sunday Mass with 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:24.440 all the flowers from the Netherlands adorning Saint Peter's Basilica, 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.240 celebrated by a cardinal, of course, not by Pope Francis. 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.920 But at the end of the Mass, the crowds chanted 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:33.120 Viva el Papa, Viva el Papa, and sure enough the 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:36.240 curtains of the main balcony of Saint Peter's Basilica opened 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:40.280 up and out came Pope Francis, looking weaker and vulnerable 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.240 because of his battle with recent double pneumonia, but he 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.120 managed to say two sentences. He said, brothers and sisters, 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.680 good morning, and I wish you a happy Easter. You know, 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:53.160 this papacy, right from the beginning, has been completely different, 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:55.920 because he has been a pope of first obviously, the 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.400 first from Latin America, the first Jesuit, but then the 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:03.199 first try and take a more simplistic approach to the papacy. 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:07.160 He wanted to reject many of the formalities again, something 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.600 that was celebrated by some and others said, what the tradition, 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.880 the beauty, the symbolism behind each of these things that 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.440 maybe you are pushing to the side, but you know, 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:19.480 take for example, his first papal trip after becoming pope 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.160 in twenty thirteen. He could have went to one of 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.240 the world's great cathedrals. He could have went to a 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:27.520 wealthy Catholic country, but instead he went to the island 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:30.559 of Lampadusa, off the coast of Italy, where the migrants 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:34.240 wash up when they're making their journey from North Africa 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:34.840 into Europe. 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:35.600 He went there to. 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:39.360 Express his closeness to those migrants, and that really was 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.360 one of the trusting points of his entire papacy, being 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:45.160 there for people on the margins. He traveled the world. 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:47.600 I was lucky to go with them to places like Mongolia, 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:51.160 sauth Sidan, Iraq, even countries where there were very little 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:56.360 Catholic populations, sometimes even no Catholics whatsoever. But with pop Francis, 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:58.920 when he saw the pain and suffering in others, when 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.800 he saw there was a knee he wanted to be there, 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.200 and you know he took the name Francis and Francis 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:07.480 of ASSISI a saint known for his devotion to a 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:10.439 life of poverty and of simplicity and have been close 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.320 to nature. And you know he would often say, preach 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.880 the gospel and if necessary, use words. And really that's 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.720 what Pope Francis did for the past twelve years or so, 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:23.640 gestures every day showing his commitment to the poor and 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:24.640 those on the margins. 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:25.959 Colin. 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:30.000 The proximity that you've had to him professionally and whether 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:33.280 you've been able to garner personal insights, give me an 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:37.160 idea about behind the behind closed door man, about what 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.720 he would do in his private time. Was he a 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:45.800 person who was constantly having the deepest of conversations about 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:48.000 faith or was he the type of person who we 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.560 may be surprised about some of the things which took 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.600 his attention when he had a moment to himself. 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.000 Yeah, I don't want to elaborate my closeness to him. 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:58.960 I did meet him on a number of occasions, and 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:00.880 traveling with them to these countries, you would get an 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:03.360 opportunity to meet him on the papal flight that was 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:05.280 always the beautiful thing. When you were flying to a 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.800 certain country, he would come back and greet you, each 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.480 journalist individually. He'd have a moment to say hello and 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:13.400 exchange a few words. But you know, it was very special. Actually, 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.559 my wife and I we recently got married a few 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:19.040 months ago, and you know, every Wednesday, the Pope would 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.520 have his general audience where he would greet the public, 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:23.800 but if you had just recently been married, you could 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.760 get up close to the front. And because we both 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.240 work at the Vatican as journalists, we had their press cards. 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.560 So two days before he was hospitalized, I went to 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:35.760 his final general audience. My wife and I got right 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:37.679 up to the front and we got to speak to 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.880 him for a couple of moments. He signed his book 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:44.240 for us, he gave us an image of the blessed family, 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:46.480 and then I just exchanged a few words about being 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:49.480 on the trips with him. But you know, he's a 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:52.480 complex figure. And you know that is not to say 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:55.480 that no pope is not complex, but I think Pope Francis, 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:57.400 you know, you look at Pup Benedict the sixteenth, he 0:11:57.480 --> 0:11:59.880 was a theologian, He was a deep thinker, he was 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:02.840 a lecture that's the world he came from. Pop Francis 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:07.200 was more about the gestures, stopping the popemobile to bless 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:10.160 a baby, to embrace someone who was sick, washing the 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.000 feet of the prisoners. He liked more of those moments 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:16.079 than those symbolic gestures, I think, and I think, that's 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.079 what the world will remember him for. But of course 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.760 I did many moments with him in the papal palace 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:24.000 and on the trips nice I would call them cordial greetings. 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.600 Beautifully said, as a person of deep faith who doesn't 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:34.360 just commit professionally but obviously personally, this moment for you, 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:38.280 this moment as a Catholic, what does it mean for 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.280 those of us who, in my case, I don't share 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:43.520 the faith, but I deeply respect the faith? What does 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:46.400 this moment mean? I don't seek for you to speak 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:48.640 on the behalf of a billion people, but perhaps just 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.280 yourself and your wife. 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:52.480 You know what, I'm going to speak on behalf of 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.480 one point foward billion people. You know what. Of course, 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:57.960 there's great sadness in a moment like this. The feeling 0:12:58.000 --> 0:12:59.560 that I had this morning when I woke up and 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.400 speaking to my wife, it felt like a grandfather had passed. 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.200 It was just that kind of shock, like a family 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:08.000 member had passed away again. As I have said covering this, 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.680 there are people who really celebrated his papacy, others confused 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:13.600 by bits of it that will all be debated in 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:15.600 weeks and months to come. But now, on the day 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.960 of his passing, I think the thing to remember is 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.120 it's all about Easter. Just think about this. He passed 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:26.680 away the day after Easter, and he gave a speech yesterday, 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.280 even though he couldn't speak. He had written a twenty 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.920 minute speech which he handed to the Master of Ceremonies 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:35.360 to read. And it's actually extremely poignant that he passed 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.840 away just after this his last message to the world 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.160 because in it, while he called for peace and an 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.640 end to conflict in places like Ukraine and the Middle 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.679 East and so on. He said, today is all about 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:50.000 the Easter message. Jesus is alive and Jesus is real. 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:52.640 He said, He's not in the tomb. We look for 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:54.560 him in the tomb, but the tomb is empty. He 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:56.600 is among us, he is in the face of others. 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.959 He said, today is a day when light has won 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:04.680 over darkness, when good has triumphed over evil. Truth has 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:08.040 won over falsehoods. That was the message that he gave, 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:11.040 the last message to the world before he passed away. 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.360 It's sad that he passed. It is a terrible thing 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:16.880 that we will mourn. But this is the tapestry of life. 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.640 And now we will have the conclave and his successor, 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:21.480 and the Catholic faith goes on. 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:23.920 As you speak to the conclave, there are two hundred 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:27.360 and fifty two living cardinals amongst us and spread across 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.400 the world. Those under the age of eighty will enter 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:32.800 and make the choice of the next pope. That's one 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.840 hundred and thirty five of them. Give us an idea 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.880 about how that group of cardinals has been shaped by 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:42.520 this pope. Will the conclave essentially be in the model 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:46.200 of the pope that has just passed or many of course, 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:49.600 who Benedict perhaps had put in place. Give us an 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:54.000 idea of the ideological sense of those one hundred and 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:55.960 thirty five that will be making their choice. 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.240 Yeah, for sure. The ideological split. Now it really has 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:03.360 leaned more towards Pope Francis, as he has elected more 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.200 cardinals than any pope in recent history, which you know, 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:08.240 if you look at it from an earthly point of view, 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.240 and the Catholic Church is, of course an institution we 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:14.240 believe a link to the divine, but it is not divine, 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:17.320 as we too well know, it is a humanly institution. 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:19.520 So if you were a betting man, you would say, well, 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.440 the odds are increased that the next pope, the successor 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:25.080 will be someone who shares and the beliefs, the emphasis 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.240 and the styles of Pope Francis. But you know, they 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.880 have a great saying here in Italy in that when 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.240 you go into the conclave of a pope as a 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.160 hot favorite, you can back out a humble cardinal, because 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.000 we believe the Holy Spirit is in charge. And while 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.640 they have favorites, there's another saying in Rome here where 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:44.320 they say fat Pope, skinny Pope, Fat Pope, skinny Pope. 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:45.359 So it leans. 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.880 Conservative, it goes back liberal, it leans conservative, so you 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:50.800 just have to wait and see. Look, Pope Benedict the 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:53.560 sixteenth had a much different style, although really when you 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:55.520 read the teachings a lot of the teachings of Pope 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:59.080 Francis and Benedict, they're actually very similar. But the emphasis 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.160 was different, the tone was different. So Pope Francis was 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.880 a big change in that tone and a shifting style 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.120 of this papacy. Many people say, right, Pope at the 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.040 right time when scandals were engulfing the church around the world. 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:12.680 So we'll have to see what this papacy will be. 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.040 But I can tell you what you mentioned conclave and 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.560 yes you were right. Ludicrous moments throughout the film, but 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:20.400 a lot of truth in it as well. In terms 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:26.480 of politics and people forming alliances. You know, the politics 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:28.920 will be in play. But here's what we know. In 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.360 the past. Many of the cardinals, in fact all of 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.960 them were all Italian and they were European, so they 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:35.760 all had a sense of each other. They knew each 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.200 other when it came time to a conclave, they kind 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.800 of had a favorite. Now, because Pope France is wanting 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:43.960 to represent those in the margins, he has picked a 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:47.960 cardinal in for example, South Sudan, one in Mongolia, which 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:51.520 is great because it represents the universality and the true 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:54.200 diversity of the Catholic faith. A lot of these people 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:56.360 don't know each other, so when it comes time to 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.040 vote in the conclave, yes, they'll hear each other make 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:02.440 their pre conclave speeches, but they'll be saying well, can 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:04.280 I vote for this person? Do I really know what 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.560 they're about and what they've done for? Can we put 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:08.960 the papacy in their hands? So we think this could 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:12.560 be a slightly longer papocy, a bit more complicated than usual, 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:14.160 but we'll have to wait and see. 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:14.760 Colin. 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:17.560 I'm sorry these are the circumstances that we meet, but 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:19.000 a pleasure to talk to you. We could listen to 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.000 your accent all night, and thank you for your insights. 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.600 They are detailed and a man of faith. I really 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:24.159 appreciate it. 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.439 Thank you all the best, my pleasure. 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:27.280 Thank you for having me on. 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.960 Colin Flymm, what a lovely man, the Vatican correspondent for 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:34.240 the Catholic News Network. All right, to the Australian election, 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.680 and let's keep the focus on that now, white because 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:41.159 voting starts tomorrow. There are twelve days until the general 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.879 election and the result will be known, but tomorrow is 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:46.520 the first opportunity that Australians will get to vote. Now 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.920 we know that about half of all people will vote early. 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.520 I've got a feeling, because we are in between public holidays, 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:53.960 there might be a bit of a surge in those 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.880 past few days. In the first few days. There are 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.040 a huge number of people that have already made their decision. 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:00.800 There will be those that will wait until the very 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.800 last minute. They will either make their choices based off 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.440 a worldview or just who they think is going to win. 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:10.440 That's the joy of compulsory voting. But I wanted to 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:13.200 take this opportunity as we now are the night before 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:16.600 the first vote could be cast, to say vote early. 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.240 If you have a strong belief one way or the other, 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:22.280 vote early. Nothing's going to change in the next couple 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.560 of weeks. We know what this government has been for 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:26.920 the past three years, we know what the alternative would 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:30.640 be for the next three years, and I've got to say, 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.760 let's look back at what was promised versus the reality, 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:37.280 and I think the choice becomes pretty clear. Remember what 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.399 the promise was at the start of this government that 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:42.959 our labor government would lower the cost of living. 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.400 The reality, of course, is that. 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:48.680 The living standards of Australians have fallen back to the 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:53.080 levels of the nineteen fifties. One point six Midian homes 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:56.760 are in mortgage stress because of twelve interest rate rises. 0:18:57.080 --> 0:19:00.720 Two out of three cannot afford rent. Ymenian people are 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.560 on the verge of homelessness. Three point seven million households 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:07.960 will run out of food this week. Thirty thousand businesses 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:11.440 have gone bust. Behind them, workers at the heart of them, 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:17.000 people who perhaps lost everything, backing themselves. The government that 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:19.879 promised that a lower cost of living would be the 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:23.600 case has delivered the highest supermarket prices you have ever paid. 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:28.679 Labor as a government has decided to increase taxes on alcohol, 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:34.920 cigarettes and petrol to the highest levels ever. The forecast 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:36.600 is not for a budget deficit just for the next 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:40.600 four years, but for the next forty years. Australia is 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:45.960 in one point two trillion dollars worth of debt. Remember 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:49.600 at the previous election they promised that electricity would be cheaper. 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:52.840 They even put a number on that figure that we've 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:56.320 all heard so many times before the last election, but 0:19:56.480 --> 0:20:00.000 so few after it. 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:03.840 Power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars and 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:07.680 seventy five dollars a year. There'll be reduction for households 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:09.800 of two hundred and seventy five dollars. 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:15.080 This time he won't even say just how low your 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:16.040 power price will go. 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:17.240 As they get. 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:20.000 Ready to spend hundreds of billions of dollars more, moving 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:21.880 from the system that worked to the one that they 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:23.480 hope will work into the future. 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.359 You and Chris Bowen keep saying that renewables are the 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:28.479 cheapest form of power. 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:31.280 When will we see our power bills come down? 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:34.640 They are, Well, what we know is that renewables are 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.560