Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Shari.
Speaker 2: Pope Francis has died, as you know, the news came
Speaker 2: to us just before six pm straight in Eastern time.
Speaker 2: And the process that will now take place to elect
Speaker 2: his successor that will begin in a few days after
Speaker 2: the funeral, which is expected in the next week. Then
Speaker 2: nine days of formal morning inside the Catholic Church. Then
Speaker 2: paper conclave can be held most likely anywhere between fifteen
Speaker 2: to twenty days after the death of a pontiff. Obviously
Speaker 2: that'll be our focus at the start of the show.
Speaker 2: We'll be going live to Europe in a moment or
Speaker 2: two time. And then of course we're back to the election,
Speaker 2: because tomorrow is the day when the very first votes
Speaker 2: will be cast in an election that is they fork
Speaker 2: in the road for Australia about whether he continues on
Speaker 2: the path that it currently is, one that many people
Speaker 2: say is the wrong track, that every poll has told
Speaker 2: us is the wrong track right now, or whether we'll
Speaker 2: have an opportunity to start things over again to get fresh,
Speaker 2: new and focused leadership. We'll talk about that of course,
Speaker 2: as always this evening no zooks now left East.
Speaker 3: This Monday night.
Speaker 2: Matt Canavan here Freier Leech as well. Looking forward to them,
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Speaker 2: So Pope Francis has passed away. He's done so on
Speaker 2: what is referred to as Easter Monday in places like Australia,
Speaker 2: but he was part of formal services yesterday as late
Speaker 2: as yesterday at the Vatican. Extraordinary thing to see the
Speaker 2: while obviously in the final full day of his life.
Speaker 2: He was being driven through the crowds, an extraordinary sight
Speaker 2: so close to his death. The statement from the Vatican
Speaker 2: came just around six pm Australium Eastern time.
Speaker 1: Tonight car you see me forlier.
Speaker 4: Dear brothers and sisters, with deep sorrow, I must announce
Speaker 4: the death of our Holy Father Francis at seven point
Speaker 4: thirty five this morning. The Bishop of Rome, Francis returned
Speaker 4: to the House of the Father. His entire life was
Speaker 4: dedicated to the service of the Lord and his Church.
Speaker 4: He taught us to live the values of the Gospel
Speaker 4: with fidelity, courage, and universal love, especially toward the poorest
Speaker 4: and most marginalized. With immense gratitude for his example as
Speaker 4: a true disciple of the Lord Jesus, we commend the
Speaker 4: soul of Pope Francis to the infinite merciful love of
Speaker 4: the Triune God.
Speaker 2: Born and served in Argentina, he became the first Pope
Speaker 2: of the Americas. That happened some thirteen years ago. He
Speaker 2: was a humble man and a humble man who didn't
Speaker 2: even believe he was to become pope. In fact, he
Speaker 2: had a returned ticket booked ahead of the conclave that,
Speaker 2: of course was called after the previous pope had announced
Speaker 2: that he was going to step down. He of course
Speaker 2: did so before the end of his life, before eventually
Speaker 2: dying in solitude within the walls of the Vatican. Channel
Speaker 2: nine one of the many that have put together a
Speaker 2: look back at an extraordinary life to become the leader
Speaker 2: of more than a billion Catholics around the world.
Speaker 5: Two hundred and sixty five popes had come before him,
Speaker 5: but his was a papacy of firsts, the first pope
Speaker 5: from the Americas, the first pope from the Southern hemisphere,
Speaker 5: the first Jesuit in the role. Born in Buenos Aires
Speaker 5: in nineteen thirty six, Jorge Mario Bergoglio was the son
Speaker 5: of Italian migrants who escaped fascist Italy. In twenty thirteen,
Speaker 5: at the age of seventy six, his fellow cardinals elected
Speaker 5: him leader of the world one point three billion Catholics.
Speaker 2: The process of selecting a new pope will be a
Speaker 2: decision made by the cardinals of the world, who are
Speaker 2: on their way as we speak to Rome to make
Speaker 2: that holy choice. In the past couple of hours, these
Speaker 2: live photos which come from Vatican City, these live pictures,
Speaker 2: I should say, the empty square out the front of
Speaker 2: the Vatican, and anyone who's been lucky enough like I
Speaker 2: have in our lives to be able to visit this
Speaker 2: incredible place, of course, a nation amongst the many nations
Speaker 2: of the world, and right in the middle of Rome.
Speaker 2: It is its own country, of course, Vatican City. There
Speaker 2: are many thousands which are making their way to mourn
Speaker 2: the passing of the Pope, and also many will stay
Speaker 2: through the process of his funeral, and then even more
Speaker 2: will be there upon the announcement of the next Pope.
Speaker 2: The process of the conclave, which is the process by
Speaker 2: which the cardinals of the world will vote for whom
Speaker 2: becomes the successor and the head of Catholic Church, is
Speaker 2: one that fictionalized in a film that was nominated for
Speaker 2: Best Picture this year called Conclave. At times ridiculous film,
Speaker 2: but still an interesting insight into the privacy and the
Speaker 2: positioning that does take place, because this is the ultimate
Speaker 2: center of power for as I say, bidding people around
Speaker 2: the world again Channel nine with what happens next and
Speaker 2: the process of selecting the next Pope.
Speaker 6: What you will see over the coming days is that
Speaker 6: square fill up with pilgrims from around Europe and indeed
Speaker 6: further afield as they come to pay tribute to Pake Francis,
Speaker 6: who has died at the age of eighty eight. Of course,
Speaker 6: the death of a pontiff triggers a huge transition for
Speaker 6: the Catholic Church. After Pove Francis is farewell, the new
Speaker 6: head of the church needs to be appointed in what
Speaker 6: is truly a deeply symbolic process.
Speaker 2: Menyful as well, not just symbolic. In a moment we
Speaker 2: will be crossing live to Rome. But first some of
Speaker 2: the reaction that has happened around the world. His Majesty
Speaker 2: King Charles has released the following statement. My wife and
Speaker 2: I most deeply saddened to learn of the death of
Speaker 2: Pope Francis. Our heavy hearts have been somewhat eased, however,
Speaker 2: knowing that his Holiness was able to share an Easter
Speaker 2: greeting with the church and the world that he served
Speaker 2: with such devotion.
Speaker 1: Throughout his life and ministry.
Speaker 2: His Holiness will be remembered for his compassion, his concern
Speaker 2: for the unity of the Church, and for his tireless
Speaker 2: commitment to the common causes of all people of faith
Speaker 2: and to those of goodwill who work on the benefit
Speaker 2: or work for the benefit of others. In Australia, the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister spoke just after the news.
Speaker 7: His message that he sent out echoed in our region.
Speaker 7: During his historic visit to Indonesia, Papu, New Guinea, Singapore
Speaker 7: and tim or less Stay, the first pope from the
Speaker 7: Southern Hemisphere was close to the people of Australia. For
Speaker 7: Australian Catholics. He was a devoted champion and loving father.
Speaker 7: Pope Francis lived out his faith and vocation in word
Speaker 7: and deed. He was truly inspirational.
Speaker 2: The alternative Prime Minister has also released a statement following
Speaker 2: the news.
Speaker 1: On behalf of the coalition.
Speaker 8: I expressed my condolences to Australians of Catholic and Christian
Speaker 8: faith upon the very sad news of the death of
Speaker 8: the two hundred and sixty sixth Pontiff. His Holiness, Pope
Speaker 8: Francis served God with the utmost devotion throughout his life.
Speaker 8: He was the first pope from the Jesuit order and
Speaker 8: the first Latin American pope. He lived frugally and simply,
Speaker 8: above all else, he was driven by Christ's values of
Speaker 8: mercy and forgiveness.
Speaker 2: Colin Flynn is the Vatican correspondent for the Catholic News
Speaker 2: Network and he joins us now at live from Rome
Speaker 2: at this solemn time column. The process that is going
Speaker 2: to be playing out, we'll get to that in a moment.
Speaker 2: But how would you describe the papacy?
Speaker 1: That is just.
Speaker 9: Well, I always say that the papacy is in the
Speaker 9: eye of a beholder. You know, there are some that
Speaker 9: celebrated the life in the papacy of Pope Francis, others
Speaker 9: who condemned it. But I can tell you for certain
Speaker 9: that this news has come as a shock to all
Speaker 9: of us. I was there in Saint Peter's Square yesterday
Speaker 9: for the celebration of the beautiful Easter Sunday Mass with
Speaker 9: all the flowers from the Netherlands adorning Saint Peter's Basilica,
Speaker 9: celebrated by a cardinal, of course, not by Pope Francis.
Speaker 9: But at the end of the Mass, the crowds chanted
Speaker 9: Viva el Papa, Viva el Papa, and sure enough the
Speaker 9: curtains of the main balcony of Saint Peter's Basilica opened
Speaker 9: up and out came Pope Francis, looking weaker and vulnerable
Speaker 9: because of his battle with recent double pneumonia, but he
Speaker 9: managed to say two sentences. He said, brothers and sisters,
Speaker 9: good morning, and I wish you a happy Easter. You know,
Speaker 9: this papacy, right from the beginning, has been completely different,
Speaker 9: because he has been a pope of first obviously, the
Speaker 9: first from Latin America, the first Jesuit, but then the
Speaker 9: first try and take a more simplistic approach to the papacy.
Speaker 9: He wanted to reject many of the formalities again, something
Speaker 9: that was celebrated by some and others said, what the tradition,
Speaker 9: the beauty, the symbolism behind each of these things that
Speaker 9: maybe you are pushing to the side, but you know,
Speaker 9: take for example, his first papal trip after becoming pope
Speaker 9: in twenty thirteen. He could have went to one of
Speaker 9: the world's great cathedrals. He could have went to a
Speaker 9: wealthy Catholic country, but instead he went to the island
Speaker 9: of Lampadusa, off the coast of Italy, where the migrants
Speaker 9: wash up when they're making their journey from North Africa
Speaker 9: into Europe.
Speaker 3: He went there to.
Speaker 9: Express his closeness to those migrants, and that really was
Speaker 9: one of the trusting points of his entire papacy, being
Speaker 9: there for people on the margins. He traveled the world.
Speaker 9: I was lucky to go with them to places like Mongolia,
Speaker 9: sauth Sidan, Iraq, even countries where there were very little
Speaker 9: Catholic populations, sometimes even no Catholics whatsoever. But with pop Francis,
Speaker 9: when he saw the pain and suffering in others, when
Speaker 9: he saw there was a knee he wanted to be there,
Speaker 9: and you know he took the name Francis and Francis
Speaker 9: of ASSISI a saint known for his devotion to a
Speaker 9: life of poverty and of simplicity and have been close
Speaker 9: to nature. And you know he would often say, preach
Speaker 9: the gospel and if necessary, use words. And really that's
Speaker 9: what Pope Francis did for the past twelve years or so,
Speaker 9: gestures every day showing his commitment to the poor and
Speaker 9: those on the margins.
Speaker 1: Colin.
Speaker 2: The proximity that you've had to him professionally and whether
Speaker 2: you've been able to garner personal insights, give me an
Speaker 2: idea about behind the behind closed door man, about what
Speaker 2: he would do in his private time. Was he a
Speaker 2: person who was constantly having the deepest of conversations about
Speaker 2: faith or was he the type of person who we
Speaker 2: may be surprised about some of the things which took
Speaker 2: his attention when he had a moment to himself.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't want to elaborate my closeness to him.
Speaker 9: I did meet him on a number of occasions, and
Speaker 9: traveling with them to these countries, you would get an
Speaker 9: opportunity to meet him on the papal flight that was
Speaker 9: always the beautiful thing. When you were flying to a
Speaker 9: certain country, he would come back and greet you, each
Speaker 9: journalist individually. He'd have a moment to say hello and
Speaker 9: exchange a few words. But you know, it was very special. Actually,
Speaker 9: my wife and I we recently got married a few
Speaker 9: months ago, and you know, every Wednesday, the Pope would
Speaker 9: have his general audience where he would greet the public,
Speaker 9: but if you had just recently been married, you could
Speaker 9: get up close to the front. And because we both
Speaker 9: work at the Vatican as journalists, we had their press cards.
Speaker 9: So two days before he was hospitalized, I went to
Speaker 9: his final general audience. My wife and I got right
Speaker 9: up to the front and we got to speak to
Speaker 9: him for a couple of moments. He signed his book
Speaker 9: for us, he gave us an image of the blessed family,
Speaker 9: and then I just exchanged a few words about being
Speaker 9: on the trips with him. But you know, he's a
Speaker 9: complex figure. And you know that is not to say
Speaker 9: that no pope is not complex, but I think Pope Francis,
Speaker 9: you know, you look at Pup Benedict the sixteenth, he
Speaker 9: was a theologian, He was a deep thinker, he was
Speaker 9: a lecture that's the world he came from. Pop Francis
Speaker 9: was more about the gestures, stopping the popemobile to bless
Speaker 9: a baby, to embrace someone who was sick, washing the
Speaker 9: feet of the prisoners. He liked more of those moments
Speaker 9: than those symbolic gestures, I think, and I think, that's
Speaker 9: what the world will remember him for. But of course
Speaker 9: I did many moments with him in the papal palace
Speaker 9: and on the trips nice I would call them cordial greetings.
Speaker 2: Beautifully said, as a person of deep faith who doesn't
Speaker 2: just commit professionally but obviously personally, this moment for you,
Speaker 2: this moment as a Catholic, what does it mean for
Speaker 2: those of us who, in my case, I don't share
Speaker 2: the faith, but I deeply respect the faith? What does
Speaker 2: this moment mean? I don't seek for you to speak
Speaker 2: on the behalf of a billion people, but perhaps just
Speaker 2: yourself and your wife.
Speaker 9: You know what, I'm going to speak on behalf of
Speaker 9: one point foward billion people. You know what. Of course,
Speaker 9: there's great sadness in a moment like this. The feeling
Speaker 9: that I had this morning when I woke up and
Speaker 9: speaking to my wife, it felt like a grandfather had passed.
Speaker 9: It was just that kind of shock, like a family
Speaker 9: member had passed away again. As I have said covering this,
Speaker 9: there are people who really celebrated his papacy, others confused
Speaker 9: by bits of it that will all be debated in
Speaker 9: weeks and months to come. But now, on the day
Speaker 9: of his passing, I think the thing to remember is
Speaker 9: it's all about Easter. Just think about this. He passed
Speaker 9: away the day after Easter, and he gave a speech yesterday,
Speaker 9: even though he couldn't speak. He had written a twenty
Speaker 9: minute speech which he handed to the Master of Ceremonies
Speaker 9: to read. And it's actually extremely poignant that he passed
Speaker 9: away just after this his last message to the world
Speaker 9: because in it, while he called for peace and an
Speaker 9: end to conflict in places like Ukraine and the Middle
Speaker 9: East and so on. He said, today is all about
Speaker 9: the Easter message. Jesus is alive and Jesus is real.
Speaker 9: He said, He's not in the tomb. We look for
Speaker 9: him in the tomb, but the tomb is empty. He
Speaker 9: is among us, he is in the face of others.
Speaker 9: He said, today is a day when light has won
Speaker 9: over darkness, when good has triumphed over evil. Truth has
Speaker 9: won over falsehoods. That was the message that he gave,
Speaker 9: the last message to the world before he passed away.
Speaker 9: It's sad that he passed. It is a terrible thing
Speaker 9: that we will mourn. But this is the tapestry of life.
Speaker 9: And now we will have the conclave and his successor,
Speaker 9: and the Catholic faith goes on.
Speaker 2: As you speak to the conclave, there are two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty two living cardinals amongst us and spread across
Speaker 2: the world. Those under the age of eighty will enter
Speaker 2: and make the choice of the next pope. That's one
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five of them. Give us an idea
Speaker 2: about how that group of cardinals has been shaped by
Speaker 2: this pope. Will the conclave essentially be in the model
Speaker 2: of the pope that has just passed or many of course,
Speaker 2: who Benedict perhaps had put in place. Give us an
Speaker 2: idea of the ideological sense of those one hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty five that will be making their choice.
Speaker 9: Yeah, for sure. The ideological split. Now it really has
Speaker 9: leaned more towards Pope Francis, as he has elected more
Speaker 9: cardinals than any pope in recent history, which you know,
Speaker 9: if you look at it from an earthly point of view,
Speaker 9: and the Catholic Church is, of course an institution we
Speaker 9: believe a link to the divine, but it is not divine,
Speaker 9: as we too well know, it is a humanly institution.
Speaker 9: So if you were a betting man, you would say, well,
Speaker 9: the odds are increased that the next pope, the successor
Speaker 9: will be someone who shares and the beliefs, the emphasis
Speaker 9: and the styles of Pope Francis. But you know, they
Speaker 9: have a great saying here in Italy in that when
Speaker 9: you go into the conclave of a pope as a
Speaker 9: hot favorite, you can back out a humble cardinal, because
Speaker 9: we believe the Holy Spirit is in charge. And while
Speaker 9: they have favorites, there's another saying in Rome here where
Speaker 9: they say fat Pope, skinny Pope, Fat Pope, skinny Pope.
Speaker 3: So it leans.
Speaker 9: Conservative, it goes back liberal, it leans conservative, so you
Speaker 9: just have to wait and see. Look, Pope Benedict the
Speaker 9: sixteenth had a much different style, although really when you
Speaker 9: read the teachings a lot of the teachings of Pope
Speaker 9: Francis and Benedict, they're actually very similar. But the emphasis
Speaker 9: was different, the tone was different. So Pope Francis was
Speaker 9: a big change in that tone and a shifting style
Speaker 9: of this papacy. Many people say, right, Pope at the
Speaker 9: right time when scandals were engulfing the church around the world.
Speaker 9: So we'll have to see what this papacy will be.
Speaker 9: But I can tell you what you mentioned conclave and
Speaker 9: yes you were right. Ludicrous moments throughout the film, but
Speaker 9: a lot of truth in it as well. In terms
Speaker 9: of politics and people forming alliances. You know, the politics
Speaker 9: will be in play. But here's what we know. In
Speaker 9: the past. Many of the cardinals, in fact all of
Speaker 9: them were all Italian and they were European, so they
Speaker 9: all had a sense of each other. They knew each
Speaker 9: other when it came time to a conclave, they kind
Speaker 9: of had a favorite. Now, because Pope France is wanting
Speaker 9: to represent those in the margins, he has picked a
Speaker 9: cardinal in for example, South Sudan, one in Mongolia, which
Speaker 9: is great because it represents the universality and the true
Speaker 9: diversity of the Catholic faith. A lot of these people
Speaker 9: don't know each other, so when it comes time to
Speaker 9: vote in the conclave, yes, they'll hear each other make
Speaker 9: their pre conclave speeches, but they'll be saying well, can
Speaker 9: I vote for this person? Do I really know what
Speaker 9: they're about and what they've done for? Can we put
Speaker 9: the papacy in their hands? So we think this could
Speaker 9: be a slightly longer papocy, a bit more complicated than usual,
Speaker 9: but we'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 1: Colin.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry these are the circumstances that we meet, but
Speaker 2: a pleasure to talk to you. We could listen to
Speaker 2: your accent all night, and thank you for your insights.
Speaker 2: They are detailed and a man of faith. I really
Speaker 2: appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you all the best, my pleasure.
Speaker 9: Thank you for having me on.
Speaker 2: Colin Flymm, what a lovely man, the Vatican correspondent for
Speaker 2: the Catholic News Network. All right, to the Australian election,
Speaker 2: and let's keep the focus on that now, white because
Speaker 2: voting starts tomorrow. There are twelve days until the general
Speaker 2: election and the result will be known, but tomorrow is
Speaker 2: the first opportunity that Australians will get to vote. Now
Speaker 2: we know that about half of all people will vote early.
Speaker 2: I've got a feeling, because we are in between public holidays,
Speaker 2: there might be a bit of a surge in those
Speaker 2: past few days. In the first few days. There are
Speaker 2: a huge number of people that have already made their decision.
Speaker 2: There will be those that will wait until the very
Speaker 2: last minute. They will either make their choices based off
Speaker 2: a worldview or just who they think is going to win.
Speaker 2: That's the joy of compulsory voting. But I wanted to
Speaker 2: take this opportunity as we now are the night before
Speaker 2: the first vote could be cast, to say vote early.
Speaker 2: If you have a strong belief one way or the other,
Speaker 2: vote early. Nothing's going to change in the next couple
Speaker 2: of weeks. We know what this government has been for
Speaker 2: the past three years, we know what the alternative would
Speaker 2: be for the next three years, and I've got to say,
Speaker 2: let's look back at what was promised versus the reality,
Speaker 2: and I think the choice becomes pretty clear. Remember what
Speaker 2: the promise was at the start of this government that
Speaker 2: our labor government would lower the cost of living.
Speaker 1: The reality, of course, is that.
Speaker 2: The living standards of Australians have fallen back to the
Speaker 2: levels of the nineteen fifties. One point six Midian homes
Speaker 2: are in mortgage stress because of twelve interest rate rises.
Speaker 2: Two out of three cannot afford rent. Ymenian people are
Speaker 2: on the verge of homelessness. Three point seven million households
Speaker 2: will run out of food this week. Thirty thousand businesses
Speaker 2: have gone bust. Behind them, workers at the heart of them,
Speaker 2: people who perhaps lost everything, backing themselves. The government that
Speaker 2: promised that a lower cost of living would be the
Speaker 2: case has delivered the highest supermarket prices you have ever paid.
Speaker 2: Labor as a government has decided to increase taxes on alcohol,
Speaker 2: cigarettes and petrol to the highest levels ever. The forecast
Speaker 2: is not for a budget deficit just for the next
Speaker 2: four years, but for the next forty years. Australia is
Speaker 2: in one point two trillion dollars worth of debt. Remember
Speaker 2: at the previous election they promised that electricity would be cheaper.
Speaker 2: They even put a number on that figure that we've
Speaker 2: all heard so many times before the last election, but
Speaker 2: so few after it.
Speaker 7: Power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars and
Speaker 7: seventy five dollars a year. There'll be reduction for households
Speaker 7: of two hundred and seventy five dollars.
Speaker 2: This time he won't even say just how low your
Speaker 2: power price will go.
Speaker 1: As they get.
Speaker 2: Ready to spend hundreds of billions of dollars more, moving
Speaker 2: from the system that worked to the one that they
Speaker 2: hope will work into the future.
Speaker 4: You and Chris Bowen keep saying that renewables are the
Speaker 4: cheapest form of power.
Speaker 3: When will we see our power bills come down?
Speaker 7: They are, Well, what we know is that renewables are
Speaker 7: the cheapest form of power, not because of what we say,
Speaker 7: but because of what the Australian Energy Market operator says.
Speaker 3: So when do the bills come down?
Speaker 7: And what the market is delivering?
Speaker 3: And just stick me with your plan, mister albinezy, when
Speaker 3: will the bills come.
Speaker 7: Down under our plan? We know that renewables are the
Speaker 7: cheapest form of power. Gas is now thirteen dollars worth thirty.
Speaker 1: Dollars, and when we came cheaper, when.
Speaker 7: We kind offerdein is cheaper than thirty.
Speaker 3: When do we see the bills come down?
Speaker 7: Well, what we need to do is to roll out
Speaker 7: renewable to make sure there's energy security.
Speaker 2: The case for change as well is the suffering of
Speaker 2: cost of living, the single biggest issue for the past
Speaker 2: three years, one that has changed people's lives, one that
Speaker 2: has driven people into poverty. As many more are scared
Speaker 2: of that poverty at the very time when you were
Speaker 2: feeling that the Treasurer and potential next Prime Minister of
Speaker 2: Australia should this one be returned. Jim Chalmers, along with
Speaker 2: Anthony I. Benezi, Well, they made a decision. That decision
Speaker 2: was to take fifteen hundred dollars as an automatic tax
Speaker 2: return off ten million workers. Instead, at the time when
Speaker 2: they decided to take that money away, they spent more
Speaker 2: than four hundred million dollars on a referendum to change
Speaker 2: the constitution. This could have happened quickly, could have happened early,
Speaker 2: but instead this was the entirety of the political conversation
Speaker 2: for an entire year. What would four hundred and eleven
Speaker 2: million dollars have done to the people who, among others,
Speaker 2: try to offer food to those that are running out,
Speaker 2: or housing to those who are about to lose. Remember
Speaker 2: what those who thought sixty forty at the start for
Speaker 2: yes would be sixty forty at the end, that you
Speaker 2: were a dinosaur or a dickhead if you didn't agree
Speaker 2: with the change that was in place. This is a
Speaker 2: government who, both through its Communications Minister and Prime Minister,
Speaker 2: tried on multiple occasions to introduce a law to censor
Speaker 2: the Internet to financially penalize companies that would not take
Speaker 2: down what the government determined not to be the truth.
Speaker 2: If you live on the land or care about its future,
Speaker 2: remember the law of nature positive this would be something
Speaker 2: like the heritage laws in Western Australia on steroids, the
Speaker 2: promises for it to come back in a re elected
Speaker 2: Albanesi government. If like me, you care about Australia Day
Speaker 2: because of what it symbolizes about our future, not about
Speaker 2: the date on which it sits because of our past,
Speaker 2: of course they deride you as being somebody who's only
Speaker 2: interested in a culture war. The same about our flag,
Speaker 2: the same about our sense of self as a nation.
Speaker 2: When it comes to our schools, the government will tell
Speaker 2: you that if you care about what is being taught,
Speaker 2: then somehow again you are locked in some sort of
Speaker 2: a culture war. But the reality is that after three
Speaker 2: years and again hundreds of billions of dollars, the NAPLAND
Speaker 2: results from just last year show us that one in
Speaker 2: three students in year in primary school and into high
Speaker 2: school don't meet the basics when it comes to literacy
Speaker 2: and numeracy. Do we need three more years of the
Speaker 2: each way elbow, saying one thing doing another. Put simply,
Speaker 2: the man who has lied his way into office, and
Speaker 2: due to things like many scare seeks to lie his
Speaker 2: way back into office. Elected Prime Minister would no doubt
Speaker 2: love the luxury that he enjoyed until his posters told
Speaker 2: him not to. That's what we called airbus albow. And
Speaker 2: while the country avoided a recession, the individuals in it
Speaker 2: sat in one for the best part of two and
Speaker 2: a bit years. That's albonomics. Vote tomorrow. Don't wait for
Speaker 2: the sausage. You can turn up still at your public
Speaker 2: school and you can help them with their fundraiser.
Speaker 1: But vote tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Vote for your choice for which way we go in
Speaker 2: the fork in the road. Don't be gas lip by
Speaker 2: what they try to talk about. Don't be distracted by
Speaker 2: what the media says are the issues of the day.
Speaker 2: Vote with your head, vote with your heart, and vote
Speaker 2: with a clarity about whether Australia is headed in the
Speaker 2: right or the wrong direction. We're twelve days to go,
Speaker 2: one day until the voting begins. Today, Peter Dutton was
Speaker 2: making announcements about crime, particularly focused on crime in and
Speaker 2: around Victoria, where we know that it's a major issue,
Speaker 2: major issue, particularly in suburban areas that have had enough
Speaker 2: of it, and they don't care about what's a state
Speaker 2: or a federal issue. This was the alternative Prime Minister
Speaker 2: on the trail and on the focus today of an
Speaker 2: issue which the Poles say is one of his strongest.
Speaker 8: Singular, biggest issue that was raised. People just worried about
Speaker 8: crime in their own neighborhood and that is the case
Speaker 8: in New South Wales and in my state of Coinsland
Speaker 8: and elsewhere.
Speaker 3: That's the reality.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister, of course, superseded by the events of today.
Speaker 2: But as for the way the media has interacted with
Speaker 2: these people over the past couple of days. A reelection
Speaker 2: of a government that has been able to successfully change
Speaker 2: the subject in the past few months from the circumstances
Speaker 2: and the disapproval that it has had for the past
Speaker 2: three years is largely being helped out by a media
Speaker 2: who allows the Prime Minister to consistently lie about supposed
Speaker 2: and imagined plans of the opposition. They never push him
Speaker 2: on the detail of his own and they ask questions
Speaker 2: like this on those.
Speaker 3: Issues are about the polls and the momentum being on
Speaker 3: your side. Are you concerned though about the.
Speaker 10: Possibility of a protest vote emerging that people think that
Speaker 10: they is going.
Speaker 1: To win pretty comfortably.
Speaker 4: Where to reelective labor, government do anything to encourage GPS, psychologists,
Speaker 4: specialist healthcare workers, and.
Speaker 2: The same group of people happy with the way that
Speaker 2: things are either ideologically or their proximity to power. And
Speaker 2: one of the most corrosive factors that exists in many
Speaker 2: parts of the media is access. And the only way
Speaker 2: that you get a story is to stay close to
Speaker 2: a story. And the way to stay close to a
Speaker 2: story is to not upset the principle of the story.
Speaker 2: It means anything that threatens that arrangement, well, you ask
Speaker 2: them questions like this.
Speaker 10: Your policy today focuses a lot on trying to stop
Speaker 10: crime in its tracks, but it does little to fix
Speaker 10: the underlying issues that lead people in the community to
Speaker 10: turn to crime in the first place.
Speaker 1: Prepole starts tomorrow.
Speaker 2: About fifty percent of people expected to vote before May three.
Speaker 3: Can you pull it back from here?
Speaker 2: Vote as soon as you can. We're not the American
Speaker 2: system where we have to bank a vote. Just my
Speaker 2: point is saying this vote as soon as you can.
Speaker 2: With the clarity of the failures of the past three
Speaker 2: years front and center. It's not about the media, it's
Speaker 2: not about me, it's not about your mate. It's about
Speaker 2: how you feel about the direction of our wonderful country.
Speaker 2: Quick break back with more No Sooks, No Lefties for
Speaker 2: the rest of the night. Looking forward to this pull
Speaker 2: Marielive on a Monday night.
Speaker 1: Thanks for watching No Sooks, No Lefties tonight. Here Frei
Speaker 1: Leitch is with us.
Speaker 2: She's doing her best for the cause, fighting them on
Speaker 2: social media.
Speaker 1: I love it. She's in there, and of course.
Speaker 2: The wonderful centat of Matt Canavan. He joins us from
Speaker 2: his home in North Queensland. Matt, you're a man of
Speaker 2: faith and specific faith when it comes to being a Catholic.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on the passing of the Pope The news
Speaker 2: tonight that Pope Francis has passed away aged eighty eight.
Speaker 3: It's quite a shock, Paul.
Speaker 11: He's obviously not been in great health for a while,
Speaker 11: but we all thought he was perhaps through the worst
Speaker 11: there after coming out of hospital. But now I just
Speaker 11: hope and pray that Pope Francis is with our God,
Speaker 11: the God we believe in. He leaves a wonderful legacy
Speaker 11: as a.
Speaker 3: Man of action. The Catholic faith, the Christian faith is
Speaker 3: a faith of action. It's not just about thinking and
Speaker 3: reading and worrying about the Bible.
Speaker 11: It's about trying to act the best you can and
Speaker 11: carry Christ's cross. And Pope Francis definitely did that in
Speaker 11: his life through his wonderful compassion for the poor. And
Speaker 11: he's setting his own example by living humbly both as
Speaker 11: a priest through a long career and also as a
Speaker 11: pope too in the beauty of the Vatican.
Speaker 3: He lived a very humble life and it's a great
Speaker 3: example to all of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Again, turning to the Muscless, much less significant matters to do,
Speaker 2: but obviously important when it comes to a federal election.
Speaker 2: But moments like these deep for people of faith. Again,
Speaker 2: I don't hide that I'm not a person of faith,
Speaker 2: but I'm deeply respectful of people of faith and people
Speaker 2: of different faiths who recognize the significance of the passing
Speaker 2: of a person of such eminence for so many people
Speaker 2: around the world.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I think it should be hopefully a moment
Speaker 10: for us all to kind of come together and remember
Speaker 10: what's really important. It's easy to get caught up in
Speaker 10: the cut and thrust of everyday politics. Who's spending on what,
Speaker 10: Who's going to fix this roundabout or that crossing? But actually,
Speaker 10: we are all here on this earth for something so
Speaker 10: much bigger than that. And I think people like the
Speaker 10: Pope really remind us that there is a higher and
Speaker 10: a better way to live our lives, one that is
Speaker 10: all about self sacrifice and really just living your life
Speaker 10: for the good of others. And I think that's an
Speaker 10: inspiring example for us sitting here, and hopefully as well
Speaker 10: for our political leaders.
Speaker 2: Beautifully beautifully said, all right, well let's talk about the election.
Speaker 2: And yes, that is a clunky gear change, but there
Speaker 2: has to be one because budding starts tomorrow.
Speaker 1: My view is, go and vote tomorrow, you.
Speaker 2: Know, go back in a couple of Saturday's time and
Speaker 2: go and have your sausage sizzle and pay for the
Speaker 2: cake stores and all that. It is annoying when half
Speaker 2: of everyone votes early that those cake stores don't make
Speaker 2: what they used to.
Speaker 1: But decision time is now.
Speaker 2: Matt perfect example about where we have gone in the
Speaker 2: past couple of years. The bloke who promised to make
Speaker 2: things better, everything is a whole lot more expensive. You
Speaker 2: went shopping but you went armed with the prices from
Speaker 2: before this government was elected and compared it to the
Speaker 2: reality of three years under them.
Speaker 3: That's right, Paul.
Speaker 11: Michelle Ander and I went down for the local woolies
Speaker 11: today and I'd found some old catalogs from believe it
Speaker 11: or not, pre poll three years ago. So the two
Speaker 11: weeks that we're just about to go into three years
Speaker 11: ago before Anthony Albansi was Prime Minister.
Speaker 3: And just to get these figures right, the shopping.
Speaker 11: Trolley I recreated was would have cost one hundred and
Speaker 11: thirty two dollars before Anthony Albansi. Today it's set Michelle
Speaker 11: and I back two hundred and fifteen dollars, a sixty
Speaker 11: three percent increase. Just to take some examples, yere, Paul,
Speaker 11: I've got the catalogs here in front of me. WeetBix
Speaker 11: was a dollar ninety three years ago, a dollar ninety
Speaker 11: for a medium sized box of wheak picks four dollars
Speaker 11: forty today four dollars forty Yrbreki's costing a lot more.
Speaker 11: Cup of tea. You might want a cup of tea
Speaker 11: to calm yourself down after that, But Twining's five dollars
Speaker 11: sixty for an eighty pack here today that set us
Speaker 11: back thirteen dollars.
Speaker 3: Just unbelievable. I know everybody knows this.
Speaker 11: You inherently notice when you see that the counter just
Speaker 11: go up so quickly with hardly having anything in your trolley.
Speaker 11: But it is so stark when you see it here,
Speaker 11: and it's an indictment of this government. I mean a
Speaker 11: big part of it is because energy is costing so
Speaker 11: much now to this government. They're obsession with renewables. They
Speaker 11: haven't just not delivered you your children's seventy.
Speaker 3: Dollars five dollar power cut.
Speaker 11: They haven't delivered a power cut to all of the
Speaker 11: businesses that manufacture these goods, that transport these goods, your groceries.
Speaker 11: And that means a cost because the cost of power
Speaker 11: is important to the cost of everything. That means when
Speaker 11: the Anthony Alberinezi and the Labor Party let the cost
Speaker 11: of power go up, the cost of everything goes up.
Speaker 11: And I just don't think we can afford another three
Speaker 11: years of this sixty percent increase in this shopping Truly,
Speaker 11: in three years do we want that again for the
Speaker 11: next three Well.
Speaker 2: And also really important here, a lot of this stuff
Speaker 2: made here right, packaged here, So then you're going to
Speaker 2: turn around say, oh, the international shock from this and
Speaker 2: all of that, which is generally the way they talk.
Speaker 2: And yes, of course inflation has existed in other places,
Speaker 2: but things can be exacerbated by.
Speaker 1: This great want to make things in Australia.
Speaker 2: Well, if they're going to do it anytime in the
Speaker 2: next ten years, it's going to be under an energy
Speaker 2: market that has to pay off the hundreds of billions
Speaker 2: of dollars in transition. Freyer, I think this is a
Speaker 2: really interesting moment because, look, we know where the polls are,
Speaker 2: we know where the bookies are, so there's no surprise
Speaker 2: if we end up where all of they say. But
Speaker 2: the reason I went through with such specificity and focus
Speaker 2: the receipts of the past three years versus the promise
Speaker 2: of the last three years is that that's what the
Speaker 2: election's about. And I hope there's lots of family conversations
Speaker 2: that happened this weekend when somebody's trying to sort of
Speaker 2: go off and talk about the thing they saw on Instagram.
Speaker 2: You know, you've engaged with some of the lefties that
Speaker 2: sort of want to go off.
Speaker 1: And just talk sort of pixie stuff.
Speaker 2: There's a reality about the number of homes that are
Speaker 2: hard to pay off, the number of rents that's almost
Speaker 2: impossible to get, the number of rental homes that is
Speaker 2: hard to get. All of these things are controlled by government.
Speaker 2: All of these things have an input from government, and
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised. And again, I'm not talking about
Speaker 2: saying this dramatic reversal in what we all expect to
Speaker 2: be the case, but I think there's a lot of
Speaker 2: people that are laser focused and they have to remember
Speaker 2: the last three years, not the last.
Speaker 10: Three weeks exactly. And I think what Matt's shopping trip
Speaker 10: really shows is the concrete impact that this is having.
Speaker 10: It's shocking, and it's even more clear than what you
Speaker 10: get when you just see, you know, CPI or headline
Speaker 10: inflation statistics. It doesn't really break it down by what's
Speaker 10: actually impacting people on a day to day basis, and
Speaker 10: those things are your groceries, your mortgages, and both of
Speaker 10: those things your power bills. They are up dramatically and
Speaker 10: it does raise serious concerns. If this much damage has
Speaker 10: been done in just three years, what would another three
Speaker 10: is look like. Plus another three years with the Greens
Speaker 10: holding the country hostage. I mean that is just a
Speaker 10: terrifying prospect.
Speaker 2: Well, also, there's a question that is never asked of
Speaker 2: the people who may well end up being the people
Speaker 2: that prop the government up right.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's no deals are going to be.
Speaker 2: A deal has to be done to guarantee seventy six
Speaker 2: votes in the parliament to make sure that everything will pass, okay,
Speaker 2: and everything comes with the negotiation, and there is a
Speaker 2: price attached to it. Matt every Teal every Green says
Speaker 2: that we should move from the current climate targets up
Speaker 2: to seventy five percent climate cuts by twenty thirty. Why
Speaker 2: is the Prime minist never asked about this, because presumably
Speaker 2: this would be you know, it's an amended Lord, it's
Speaker 2: the law of the land, meaning the numbers downstairs, the
Speaker 2: numbers upstairs, the consequences of that dramatic change. And remember
Speaker 2: we were one percent of the world's problems. This is
Speaker 2: the consequence. It's not just about the past three weeks.
Speaker 2: I like this one. I don't like that one. I
Speaker 2: wish they this, I wish they that. Jeez, I wish
Speaker 2: somebody was a bit more of this. If you want that,
Speaker 2: go read Goldilock's books. Okay, in the real world there
Speaker 2: is a fork in the road. And in my view,
Speaker 2: we've seen one of these for three.
Speaker 1: Years and I don't want to do it again.
Speaker 11: Well, the promise is probably not asked that, Paul, because
Speaker 11: doesn't come on shows like yourself. It stays in the
Speaker 11: safe space of the ABC and the like. And our ministers,
Speaker 11: Peter and others go on the ABC. We also go
Speaker 11: on your show. We subject ourselves to all. But that's
Speaker 11: why the premise doesn't get asked about this. But there's
Speaker 11: not that he should because this government has kept their
Speaker 11: powder dry on this. You know, they were meant to
Speaker 11: set their twenty thirty five targets out of the Paris Agreement.
Speaker 3: Before the election.
Speaker 11: They haven't done that, clearly because they want to keep
Speaker 11: their options open for what is are suspected minority parliament
Speaker 11: where they may have to deal with the Greens or
Speaker 11: the Teals and others, and so they want to go
Speaker 11: into those negotiations with a complete open book. What that
Speaker 11: means though, that open book for them for Anthony, but
Speaker 11: easy means it's a close shop for you.
Speaker 3: You don't get to have your choice for this election.
Speaker 11: Then about what that target should be it's just a
Speaker 11: big blank check to the Labor party if you do that,
Speaker 11: and all those grocery costs I just went through.
Speaker 3: If we try and meet even tougher.
Speaker 11: Climate targets sooner, that's going to push the cost of
Speaker 11: everything up even more. And guess what, it won't change
Speaker 11: the temperature of the globe one iota either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the freshwater pole tells us that people have significant
Speaker 2: concerns about crime, obviously in regional areas and specifically in
Speaker 2: places like Victoria. Now we know how bad things have been,
Speaker 2: so much so that the left leaning government has had
Speaker 2: to pretend that they now care about it by all
Speaker 2: laws in some way to try to change the subject,
Speaker 2: to try to save going into the federal election. But
Speaker 2: even on Channel two seven thirty report when they were
Speaker 2: door knocking in the seat of Chisholm, a surprising reaction
Speaker 2: from a voter that they were expecting not to have
Speaker 2: this perspective. But guess what it was crime. I don't
Speaker 2: care if it's stayed, I don't care if it's federal.
Speaker 2: I want someone to do something about crime. And that
Speaker 2: is where Peter Dutton was today. I admire him particularly
Speaker 2: for his announcement when it comes to the National Register
Speaker 2: of Sex Offenders and pedophiles. This is madness. How this
Speaker 2: has not already happened. I don't care about their rights.
Speaker 2: I care about the protection of our kids. But his
Speaker 2: crime a potential secret weapon. Here Freyer, is something happening
Speaker 2: below the radar of the national and even maybe local media,
Speaker 2: where some people that you wouldn't expect that this would
Speaker 2: be number one is well and truly number one, and
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton's the only one talking about it totally.
Speaker 10: And before the last election, Albanezy said that he literally
Speaker 10: said this safety is the government's number one job, it
Speaker 10: is their first responsibility. But he has failed to time
Speaker 10: and time again over the last three years to actually
Speaker 10: keep Australian safe. And I reckon crime is more of
Speaker 10: an issue than we might think. We're based in Sydney,
Speaker 10: where you know, I don't even think really about you know,
Speaker 10: youth crime. But I have friends in Melbourne and I'm
Speaker 10: hearing stories quite often about attempted break ins, actual break ins.
Speaker 10: They're upgrading their security systems on their homes and when
Speaker 10: you feel like you were actually under direct threat. Cost
Speaker 10: of living, course, that's an issue health whatever, but personal
Speaker 10: safety and self preservation will always come first.
Speaker 2: Well, also there was that I'm just trying to go
Speaker 2: off the top of my head here, but Sibureau statistics
Speaker 2: numbers right, this is let's be straight here, past twelve
Speaker 2: months financial year twenty three twenty four, about forty thousand
Speaker 2: youth offenders, which means forty thousand victims all right, Of those,
Speaker 2: only about half end up going to court. How many
Speaker 2: of those do you think end up getting sentenced to
Speaker 2: juvenile detention. I'll give you the tip. It's eight hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty eight. It's less then two percent of the
Speaker 2: people that are interacting with police at the front door.
Speaker 2: So yes, state, federal, local. But the point here is
Speaker 2: man federal labor has done a spectacular job. Are the
Speaker 2: generations of deliberately confusing the issues of state, federal and
Speaker 2: local government. So let's not pretend there's some holy line
Speaker 2: that can't be crossed here.
Speaker 11: Well, there is a clear federal interaction here, particularly what
Speaker 11: we're seeing on the streets of Melbourne, and that's the
Speaker 11: rise of gang violences funded by list at tobacco and
Speaker 11: vaping sales. This government has made a big hay of saying, hey,
Speaker 11: we're going to try and crack down this stuff, but
Speaker 11: they've been totally unsuccessful here. In our view, there should
Speaker 11: be a more sensible approach to vaping. For one, we
Speaker 11: should seek to crack down the illegal important stuff. But
Speaker 11: by trying to crack down at all, all we're giving
Speaker 11: is a line of business to the worst among us,
Speaker 11: the gang gangs on our suburb streets, and then that
Speaker 11: flows over into territorial battles between who's got which gang's
Speaker 11: got which area to sell this black market stuff. Basically,
Speaker 11: the government has just spread themselves too thin here across
Speaker 11: too many illicit substances, and they're not able to control
Speaker 11: the crime. And so yes, the statistics you ran out
Speaker 11: about read out about who gets locked away and who
Speaker 11: gets convicted. That's largely a state level, But the controlling
Speaker 11: the finances of these gangs, the federal government has a
Speaker 11: huge role to suffocate that, and that's why Peter Dunt
Speaker 11: announced today that we've got a plan to crack down
Speaker 11: on that, to have a more sensible and targeted and
Speaker 11: focused approach. So we get down or we reduce the
Speaker 11: amount of money and profits these gangs can make and
Speaker 11: therefore the damage they can do to or with the
Speaker 11: wider society.
Speaker 1: All right, no looks now left? Is this Monday night
Speaker 1: quick break back with more.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about the Palmer preferences about whom they are
Speaker 2: going to hit the worst or help the most. Sadly,
Speaker 2: teals more than a sec here on pullm ree life.
Speaker 1: Thanks for watching.
Speaker 2: On the night that we have learned that Pope Francis
Speaker 2: has died, aged eighty eight.
Speaker 1: The papal conclave will be called after.
Speaker 2: The nine days of mourning, and that of course happens
Speaker 2: after his funeral, which can happen anywhere between four and
Speaker 2: six days from tonight. We're learning via the BBC that
Speaker 2: Pope Francis, prior to his death, had made a decision
Speaker 2: to have a much simpler and less ornate funeral than
Speaker 2: what is traditionally for many popes. In fact, i'll read
Speaker 2: directly from a BBC report here, which is that a
Speaker 2: papal funeral has traditionally been an elaborate affair, but Pope
Speaker 2: Francis recently approved plans to simplify the whole procedure. The
Speaker 2: late pontiff has opted for a basic wooden coffin and
Speaker 2: scrap the tradition of placing the pope's body on a
Speaker 2: raised platform for public viewing. Instead, mourners will be invited
Speaker 2: to pay their respects. Respects while his body remains inside
Speaker 2: the coffin with the lid removed. He will also be
Speaker 2: going and be laid the rest of the Basilica of
Speaker 2: Saint Mary in Rome. That'll be the first time that
Speaker 2: a pope has been buried outside of the Vatican in
Speaker 2: more than a century. Talking politics, here as those live
Speaker 2: pictures which are showing the ceremonies and majesty that is
Speaker 2: in and around these moments from Vatican City, with freier
Speaker 2: Leitch and with Senator Matt Canavan, both ready for tomorrow,
Speaker 2: Ready for poling, which of course is not just Saturday
Speaker 2: and two weeks. It starts tomorrow. Let's talk about Clyde
Speaker 2: Palmer and preferences. The trumpet of patriots made their decision
Speaker 2: to put everyone last, all right, So all one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty one members of Parliament, they all go last.
Speaker 2: This is because he wants to change politics, he says,
Speaker 2: And you elect a whole new sweep of people. The
Speaker 2: only problem is, of course, many people have no idea
Speaker 2: who these candidates are. Why, because they've only been selected
Speaker 2: in the past month or so by his own admission.
Speaker 2: Why because the party's only been put up in its
Speaker 2: current form the past month. Now, when you put everyone last,
Speaker 2: it's interesting where you put your preferences. In a place
Speaker 2: like Bradfield, where it is a sitting Liberal MP, the
Speaker 2: Teal is the first person on the list, the Teal.
Speaker 1: These are the people that want to be Trumpian. I'll
Speaker 1: give you the tip. Who are the least Trumpian people
Speaker 1: in Australia. It'd be the Teals.
Speaker 2: But for some reason they're going to get the preference.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Now, because the margins of the seats that the Liberal
Speaker 2: Party is defending, many of them are a little bit
Speaker 2: tighter than some of the Labor Party seats that they
Speaker 2: are defending, this actually ends up hurting the coalition. Now
Speaker 2: let me tell you exactly the seats I double checked today.
Speaker 2: The trouble of Patriots' preference decision will hurt six Labor
Speaker 2: MPs and the seats are been long Gilmore.
Speaker 1: Menzies, Lyons, Lingyari and Patterson.
Speaker 2: But it's thirteen Liberal or National MPs in Deacon Sturt, Moore,
Speaker 2: can In, Casey Dixon, which of course is Peter Dutton's
Speaker 2: seat in Queensland, Banks Longman like Art Flynn, Bradfield, Wannan,
Speaker 2: Monash and Kauper.
Speaker 1: It could hurt the sorry.
Speaker 2: Could help the people who want to take some of
Speaker 2: those coalition seats like a teal in Bradfield one and
Speaker 2: monashal Kauper. That's why I list them twice. And of
Speaker 2: course the sixth City Teals in Kujong Warringer, Mickella Goldstein,
Speaker 2: Curtain and Wentworth. Now the reason again, anyone's free to
Speaker 2: do with whatever they want. It's his decision. And again
Speaker 2: I don't want to start the blood for you. We
Speaker 2: had for way too many years, all right. We remember
Speaker 2: though that in twenty nineteen, this center right party, he
Speaker 2: was pretty direct they didn't want Bill Shorten to be
Speaker 2: elected Prime minister. So Matt, why are they're sending preferences
Speaker 2: to the Teals to be the MP if they can't
Speaker 2: be the MP.
Speaker 3: Look, it's very bizarre, Paul.
Speaker 11: As you've said, this party is putting out there that
Speaker 11: to a vote for them is in some way vote
Speaker 11: for Donald Trump. But it's a bit like they're saying, Okay,
Speaker 11: we've got Donald Trump at the top of our ticket,
Speaker 11: but AOC is our vices. Yes, yes, Elizabeth Warrens in
Speaker 11: the cabinet. It's even weirder than a Labor Green Teal
Speaker 11: minority government, which we're all scared of. So look, there's
Speaker 11: a very simple way for people to avoid this outcome.
Speaker 11: It's just not vote for them. You don't have to.
Speaker 11: You don't have to vote for this party. And I
Speaker 11: know I've got a lot of feedback from people that
Speaker 11: are otherwise. I think toying with the idea of voting
Speaker 11: for Big Clive this has really turned them off.
Speaker 3: So you don't have to do that.
Speaker 11: You can tell other people about it, make sure other
Speaker 11: people voting this party know what they've done here. And
Speaker 11: of course, the other thing that you really can do
Speaker 11: with every one of your vote as you start, if
Speaker 11: you vote tomorrow, keep in mind the only thing you
Speaker 11: really have to do is just put the Labor Party last,
Speaker 11: or the Teal or the Green last. If they're your
Speaker 11: local MP, just put them last, the lgts, just put
Speaker 11: them all last, whichever one you've got in your seat.
Speaker 11: And it really doesn't matter what you do above that,
Speaker 11: but that's the most important thing.
Speaker 3: Put them down the bottom. You're in control of your vote.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Frey, this is the other thing too, And again,
Speaker 2: I want people to just get in there and vote right.
Speaker 2: Get in do it because it's all countered on the
Speaker 2: same night.
Speaker 1: They don't turn around and.
Speaker 2: Wait two weeks for the That is essentially the largest
Speaker 2: booth that's countered on any one night. So the vote
Speaker 2: you cast tomorrow is counted on Saturday, May the third. Okay,
Speaker 2: So that's why there's no difference in terms of the
Speaker 2: the role out here. But Palmer and these preferences again
Speaker 2: send a right party that has positioned itself as going
Speaker 2: further to the right, literally having conversations with Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 1: Just a few months ago.
Speaker 2: But then they turn around and say, well, when it counts,
Speaker 2: it's a Green or it's a Teal, or it's the
Speaker 2: Labor Party.
Speaker 10: I think this is a complete betrayal, and I think
Speaker 10: many people who were perhaps disillusioned with the Liberal Party,
Speaker 10: disillusioned with the other mainstream options, may have moved towards
Speaker 10: trumpet of Patriots and would now be having serious buyers remorse.
Speaker 10: We saw the trumpet, well, hopefully now we saw the
Speaker 10: trumpet of patriots. Candidate in Flinder's come out and today
Speaker 10: and said he was completely blind sided. Put me last
Speaker 10: exactly because how can you in good conscience say you
Speaker 10: want a conservative values based government and then preference the
Speaker 10: Teals and Labor ahead of the Coalition. All you are
Speaker 10: guaranteeing is the most destructive government in Australian history, literal
Speaker 10: chaos for three years. But perhaps that's Clive's intent. Maybe
Speaker 10: he wants chaos for Australia. I don't know how he
Speaker 10: possibly could. If you love this country, you should be
Speaker 10: putting the Greens and Labor last.
Speaker 3: But it baffles me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but also, I mean the reality is of any
Speaker 2: party that wants to stand and this is an issue
Speaker 2: which absolutely must be dealt with by the coalition, which
Speaker 2: is you can't pre select people four weeks before an election.
Speaker 2: They've got to be there in my view, within the
Speaker 2: first two months after an election. They've got to go
Speaker 2: to all the community events. I've got to go to
Speaker 2: all of They've got to meet as many people as possible,
Speaker 2: to connect with all of those networks. That is politics
Speaker 2: in reality. I mean, Matt knows that is the person
Speaker 2: who's got to represent an entire state. Right, You've got
Speaker 2: to get around to as many people as possible. And yes,
Speaker 2: advertising means you can blast over the top at the
Speaker 2: last minute. But if it's not built off that connection,
Speaker 2: well that's why some of those candidates aren't going to
Speaker 2: be there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I find it quite odd. Matt.
Speaker 2: I loved your post by the way, and I've got
Speaker 2: less than a minute here, so i'll be quick, but
Speaker 2: I loved your post over Eestera where you wanted people
Speaker 2: to remember those that had been done over by floods
Speaker 2: in western Queensland.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Look, Paula in the campaign slowed down a bit here,
Speaker 11: so I thought it was good opportunity to go and
Speaker 11: see some of those people that were so horrifically affected
Speaker 11: by those historic cloods.
Speaker 3: But it's not all derm and gloom. Don't believe all
Speaker 3: the media. I mean, there's all this catastrophism out there.
Speaker 11: Some people have lost a lot and they'll be very
Speaker 11: hard for them, but the country's never looked better. A
Speaker 11: lot of people have canceled their holidays because of that
Speaker 11: sensationalism in the media, and that's hurt other business, has
Speaker 11: been second round effects on other towns.
Speaker 3: But as I say, it has never looked better. It's
Speaker 3: just green, it's beautiful.
Speaker 11: It's the best time that you to head out there,
Speaker 11: so it's so much wonderful history. A bar called and
Speaker 11: long Reach Winton. I went down at Arimango as well.
Speaker 11: I've got a lovely natural history museum down there. Get
Speaker 11: out and see a great country, a great outback. It's
Speaker 11: never looked more beautiful.
Speaker 2: Bloody h Thank you very much, guys, do appreciate it.
Speaker 2: All the best for the next couple of weeks, but
Speaker 2: of course we'll talk to you many times between now
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