WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 27 May 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:04.800 Welcome to the late debase. 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:10.879 Leave the boxing day test where it is. It could 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.120 be an Australian to move it. Good night and welcome 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:16.000 to the pro Good evening and welcome to the program. 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:18.120 I should say now you don't have to readjust your set. 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:21.960 James McPherson is not suddenly far more attractive. You've upgraded 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:23.880 to Cayla Bond for the next few weeks. 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:26.040 That is what everyone was thinking. 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:28.840 I know, I know he's off filling in for Andrew 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:31.400 Bolt of course do enemy as always is Liz Storer 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:34.000 and technically filling in for me for the next few 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:36.040 weeks is Joe Hildebrow. 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.199 James James Mack might not be far more attractive, but 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:40.280 Kayla Bond certainly. 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:43.200 And you know we've got a good look and rooster 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:45.720 like you too, Joe. So we're really up on the 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.200 stakes here. Some of the stuff will get into tonight. 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:51.200 We've been given a window into what Australia might look 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:56.280 like under Chinese rule. CCP has told Australian politicians what 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:59.840 events they should and should not go to. The Australian 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:03.680 uncovered more foreign child rapists who've been allowed to stay 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:06.959 in the country thanks to Andrew Giles and wait for it, 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:11.120 the biggest debate ever can you put your rubbish in 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:14.479 other people's bins if yours is full. We'll get into 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:16.960 all of that later on, but of course a question 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:19.320 that's been on your lips and mine and plenty of 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:23.320 others for the last few months. How has antisemitism got 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:26.920 so bad in this country? Well, John Howard, who will 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:30.120 be tomorrow night in a documentary here on Sky News 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:33.800 at seven pm Never Again, The Fight against Antisemitism, which 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.920 will of course be hosted by Josh Friedenberg. He says 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:39.480 a lot of it comes down to the Prime Minister 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:42.560 Anthony Albanisi, in the fact that he didn't come out 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:46.840 strongly enough against antisemitism in the early stages of what 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:50.040 has unfurled in this country. Of course, we all know 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:53.480 what happened on October ninth on the steps of the 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.680 Sydney Opera House. There was very little response from police 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.520 and there was very little response from the federal government. 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:02.040 That kind have sent a message to people that well, 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:04.840 you can do whatever the hell you want, and so 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:08.400 they have. We've had protests in parks and on streets 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:13.280 all over the country almost every weekend ever since twenty thousand, 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:17.560 thirty forty thousand, up to fifty thousand people at any 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:21.120 time coming together to shout slogans like from the River 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:24.360 to the Sea, which thankfully the federal government has spoken 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:28.120 out against only in recent times. And of course we 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:31.440 know that just a week or two ago, Australia, along 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:35.760 with many other nations, voted in favor of recommending to 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:39.919 the United Nations Security Council that Palestine be given a 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:43.280 voice at the UN Will Adam Banded from the Greens 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:45.840 has now decided that he is going to take that 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:50.600 challenge directly to the Labor government to see exactly how 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:53.480 serious they are about making this happen. He put up 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:58.079 on X yesterday. Labour says today they support recognition of Palestine. 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:02.160 We'll move in Parliament next week for Australia to recognize Palestine. 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.519 Other countries are doing it. Let's see how Labor votes. 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:08.280 It will put them on the spot as to exactly 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:12.640 how serious they are about giving recognition to Palestine and 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.880 whether or not they seriously believe in the two states 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:19.560 solution that they keep talking about. But Adam band himself 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:23.000 was on Insiders on the ABC yesterday. He was asked 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:28.080 a very simple question, do you believe that Hamas are terrorists? 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:31.040 And well, for such a simple question, he couldn't exactly 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:32.120 give a simple answer. 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:36.360 You will also agree Hamas is a terrorist organization that 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:40.960 needs to be dismantled. Well, they're listed as a terrorist organization, 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:47.080 and our point is now that the Palestinian civilians cannot 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:48.160 be collectively punished. 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.600 Having some trouble saying that Hamas is a terrorist organization, no, 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:53.360 I just said it was. 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.640 Now, of course, part of it, Liz is the leadership 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.480 of the federal government. The federal government has flip flopped? 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.520 So bad are we? You know, one minute it's yes, 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.320 we care about anti Semitism, next minute it's no, we 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:07.600 support mass essentially and. 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:14.680 Said no, I can't say it out that support that. 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:19.279 How else do you explain, Joe the support for a 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:22.839 two state solution. They say, oh, that's that's only if 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:24.800 Hamas aren't in charge. 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.480 Well, we all know what's the exactly what's happening here. 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:30.640 Support pretty much every country. 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:35.000 To recognize Palestine as a UN member state. I think 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:39.760 the Babylon b which is their satire, but they often 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:43.239 hit on the dark truth of things. They recently shared 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:46.560 their saying terrorists learn harsh lesson that if you rape 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.760 and murder women, the UN will give you your own country 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:54.200 and one billion dollars. This is This is basically what 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.600 the UN has done and what Adam Band will be 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:59.800 pushing for our federal government. 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.720 To do for normally next week. Now. 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:03.920 I don't think there's anyone on this panel that actually 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:05.640 thinks that's going to be voted on. 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.920 I have no doubt LABEL will not support Adam b Oh. 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:14.320 They're going to make their stands even more uncomprehensive because 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:19.080 I've had less baked dinners than the amount of time that. 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:21.280 Penny Wong has called for cease. 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:24.719 Visits half faked. These are all different things, right, there's 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:28.280 different These are different things, right. So, firstly, every country 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:32.200 in the world, including Israel's stronger supporter, the US, believes 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.640 in a two state solution and has stated its support 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:35.320 for a two state. 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.520 Solution, and everyone qu aspiring Neuron knows that there is 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:39.640 no touch thing now. 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:43.240 Question the question is at the moment, there's not that's right, 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.479 So it becomes all about timing. The problem with the 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:48.120 UN vote, which I thought was very silly and naive 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:53.120 on Australia's part, not to abstain from is that you 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.640 are by voting for that now. And this was not 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.800 voting for Palestine to be recognized and to have a 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.440 said the UN. This was saying that he qualified that 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:07.320 it met the criteria. Right, so it wasmantic. But that 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.600 is different to what Adam But Adam Bant is now 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:15.440 escalating that even higher. Right, So instead of saying, all right, Palestine, 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.000 you meet the criteria for sept and so you know, 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:21.080 you're one more step along the sort of playing board, 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:24.040 if you like, he's saying, no, we recognize you as 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.920 a state now, which of course I mean it's it's 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:28.640 rubble than at the moment, like it's not even a 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:31.720 functioning it not, it doesn't have barely a functioning institution 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:33.560 in it, So to recognize it as a state now 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:37.880 is absolutely absurd. But again, everyone with half a brain, 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.760 a firing neurine, as you say, once a two state solution. 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.400 The question the question. 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.800 Solution, Joe, The question is when never. 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:54.280 Question even the Israelitis. Yeah, I said everyone everyone, That's 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:56.960 that's what I said. Hummers has turned it down and 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:59.800 the extremists have turned it down. But everyone with a 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:03.560 in the international community and supported including Israel. Israel has 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.719 put forward proposals two. 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:09.640 Stations, haven't the polling shoes Seventy five percent of Palestinians 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:11.960 totally back the horrors that happened. 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.720 That's right, that's why we're not giving the one star. 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:17.200 It's meant to be a two state solution. That is 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:19.400 the whole point. We are not giving the palaces everything 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:20.920 they want. They wanted from the river to the sea, 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:23.320 two state. 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:30.280 Solutional scale as being their own body. Twistan is already 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:31.440 leagues ahead here. 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:35.240 So you're supporting Israel from the river to the sea, now, no. 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:37.960 No, no, But a two state solution relies on the idea 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.960 that you have two outfits both coming to the table. 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:43.360 That's allowed to do it. Now, that's exactly what I know. 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.520 It's never going to happen because Palestine. 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:47.560 So it's never going to happen. 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.920 Ageration Palace, that's not what they want. 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:55.120 It can't happen till you get rid of her mass obviously, 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:55.880 and that is going to. 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.600 But we can't go into Raca or do anything to 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:00.760 actually try and get rid of this is never going 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:02.840 to happen. Well, if you, if it is to be 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:07.040 believed that Israel cannot continue its incursion into the area, 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.280 then how do you ever get rid of Hamas to 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:09.680 achieve that? 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:15.560 And that's exactly what obviously you Okay, so you don't 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.960 support Minister Bowen's call that the. 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.160 Ground invasion in Rappa must stop. 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:26.720 Think there is clearly there is clearly a question. And 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.200 again this includes you know, the killing of Australian aid 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.520 workers and international aid workers. There's clearly a question. And 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:34.920 this is happening within Israel as well. I know people 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:37.640 in Israel who are very, very concerned about this and 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.280 the fact that Yahu does not appear to have a 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:44.559 political strategy to back up his military tactics, and I 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:46.440 think his Defense min is with one of those people. 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:50.520 So the point is, firstly, do you say, do you say, 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:54.360 all right, where we want to get to eventually is 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:58.360 Israel and Palestine living in some form of peaceful coexistence, right, 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.440 two states by our Well that's right. Well, if you're 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.480 saying it's never going to happen and that's it, we 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:05.880 might have Well let's okay, fine, look just white Palestine 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.000 from the map, just like that, what Israel white from 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:09.720 the map? If you're saying it's never going to happen, 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:11.680 Then why are we even having this develop It. 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:15.320 Would have already happened were it not for the Palestinians 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:16.280 turning it down. 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:18.720 Okay, well, if it's never going to happen, so Israel 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:19.720 just wipes out Palestine. 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.800 I wanted they turned that down because they I know. 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:25.480 I know that I've been there, I've seen all I've 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.760 seen every single map of every single thing that they've offered. 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.640 I'm not denying that. What I'm saying is the Palestinians 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.440 should be made to accept, one way or another, a two 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.760 state solution and Israel's right to exist. If it is 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:38.720 a different thing to say, Oh, they're never going to 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:40.480 do that, so we're just going to wipe them out. 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.760 Okay, but see that the beginning of such a high 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:47.240 pie in the sky possibility is the elimination of Hamas, 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.720 which is exactly what the Israelis are trying to achieve 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.880 and what Minister Bowen just can't understand. 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:55.800 He tweeted today. 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:59.360 Boohoo for me, this is defamatory that people are claiming 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:04.240 that I said that Israel should stop their action in Rafa. 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:05.520 Check out his tweet. 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:09.079 I support international law and I oppose an Israeli ground 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.840 offensive into Raffa. This is also the position of the 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:15.520 Australian government. Yeah we know, mate, This headline by News 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:19.520 Limited is offensive, inaccurate and defamatory, especially to the people 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:21.320 of Raffa who deserve protection. 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.880 The people of Raffa are not Hamas. 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:25.920 Again, i'd point you to the seventy five percent of 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:27.520 Palestinian support Hamas. 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:28.640 But never mind Bowen. 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:32.400 And here is the offending headline that Bowen is boohooing 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:34.720 about Bowen, we must protect Hamas. 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:36.400 Australia has backed. 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:39.720 An International Court of Justice ruling that Israel must cease 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:44.400 its offensive against the last Hamas holdout in Gaza. 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:46.280 So there you have it. 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:50.959 This government is once again just saying Israel stop it. 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:55.959 Meanwhile supporting the UNS every call for ceasefire and recognizing 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:59.800 Palestine as it is I think as an appropriate member 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:00.640 to joined the UN. 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:03.240 But this is why the vote that will be put 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:07.280 up by Adam Band actually does mean something. It's essentially 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:10.239 putting the government on the spot and saying how serious 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.720 are you about your support for Palestine, and given that 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:17.000 they have already voted at the UN to accept the 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:20.800 proposition of Palestine being admitted as a nation on the 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:24.080 UN and having a vote. They have by some degree 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:27.800 given their support to Palestine as a nation, So why 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.640 would they then not just extend that to a vote 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.840 in the parliament. If that's what they truly believe, why would. 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.920 They do There's a difference between saying we support Palestine 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:41.720 becoming a nation and saying we recognize Palestine as a nation. 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:44.240 We all understand that, right. 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.200 Sure, but you've laid the groundwork. You're saying this is 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:48.840 what we want to happen at the right. 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.080 So is the US. This is what everyone has said. 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:52.920 The problem with what happened at the UN is that 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:57.320 it happened six months after the October seven terrorist attacks, 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:01.280 So it looks like a reward for that. Such a problem. 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:04.360 That's why I said it's a problem. It is everyone 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:08.520 long term, everyone is expecting and wanting. Everyone again with 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.400 half a brain and part from the extremists on either side, 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.440 is expecting and wanting and working towards a two state solution. 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:16.120 That is not controversial. 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:18.360 Because a lot of the activists, particularly here in this country, 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.880 keep shouting things like from the rich the scene, that's 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.560 why we shouldn't be like I believe that there should 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:28.839 not be an Israel, there should only be a Palestinian nation. 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.199 And we see this time and time again. And there 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.720 was an event recently hosted by the AJAA, the Australian 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:39.160 Jewish Association online that included speakers such as John Anderson, 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:43.000 the former Deputy Prime Minister, and the activists of course 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:47.160 could not pass up the opportunity to gate crash even 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:51.280 an online event and throw forward all sorts of vile abuse, 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.800 to dress up with their faces with the kefiir over them, 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:58.040 et cetera. Of course, these people all gutlass didn't show 0:12:58.040 --> 0:12:59.600 their faces. The one as you can see in that 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.679 image there is wearing a kefia. Another one who you're 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.800 about to hear in a clip didn't show his face 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:09.160 at all and pretended his name was Tony Abbott. This 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.760 is what happens when you don't get strong leadership to 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:14.000 snuff this stuff. 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:17.800 Out, religion and beliefs and. 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.520 Well, ah can you show you mouth? 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:33.319 Old stop this one has to go now. 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:36.040 These people were also behind those encampments that we've seen 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:40.000 across the universities recently. I mean, no wonder they feel 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:41.680 like they can rock up and do this stuff is 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:45.200 because they have basically been allowed to. And here we 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:50.680 are eight nine months in to since and we're saying, 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.880 we're saying, oh, finals we're going to have hate speech laws. 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:56.800 And this meeting wasn't even about Israel. 0:13:56.880 --> 0:14:00.640 It was about Australia's foreign and domestic policy. So these 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.959 guys are just trying to have a powow about that. 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:07.080 This group, it's called the U said Muslim Encampments group 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:11.880 organize this zoom bombing, so they let their guys know 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:14.920 this is what we're doing. Everyone follow your instructions to 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:19.320 the letter for maximum punch. People can't even have an 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:24.280 unrelated meeting. But now because it involves Jewish people, these 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:25.360 guys are looking to side. 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:29.680 It's outrageous. I've time counted them myself. On Friday, I 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:31.840 was at an event in Western City at a course 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.920 stadium that was about providing housing and infrastructure for Western City, 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:39.560 had absolutely nothing to do with the Israel Palestin conflict. 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:43.160 And of course there's protesters outside screaming, screaming at people 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:44.720 as they went in, screaming as me as I was in. 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:46.560 Of course they're all waiting to scream at the Prime 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:48.240 Minister as he went in, which is why they were 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:51.040 there because they think he's a supporter of Zionus genocide. 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:55.120 So again, oh wow, and they've been out, they've been city, 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:58.640 they've been camp outside his electorate office for months. So 0:14:58.800 --> 0:14:59.720 again these people are. 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.880 They don't even know he's on side. It's totally on side. 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:07.000 Check out this graph. This is American universities. I believe 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.960 it was the Washington Post or similar put this together 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:14.360 and you can see they're the direct correlation between those 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:18.280 green dots where the encampments are and the university campuses 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:22.880 of America with the higher tuition and fees. So the 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:29.160 more expensive the UNI, the more these encampments are amongst them. 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:31.840 Talk about luxury beliefs. 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:36.320 I do wonder how much of this is simply an 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:39.840 upper class pastime because they're obviously the rich kids, and 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:43.840 how much of it also has to do with the activists, 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.320 because we know a lot of the people who organize 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:50.440 these encampments aren't necessarily the students themselves. They're not even alumni, 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.440 but they are coming onto campus to stir the pot 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:57.480 and to keep the kids organized. How much these more 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:01.920 elite universities have been targeted to buy these movements because 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.800 we know from such universities come the leaders of the future, 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:07.760 and if we can get them in the bag now, 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:08.560 they'll be ours free. 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.880 They're not targeting them, then they are homegrown. Socialism is 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:14.960 an upper middle class pursuit. It is, it has been 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.280 since it was invented. Karl Marx I believe his family 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:22.440 owned vineyards. Frederick Engel's family actually own factories. They were 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:26.600 actual factory owners, right again. And you look at you know, 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:28.800 whereas all the hot spots been in Australia, They've been 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:32.320 in the three most prestigious universities Sydney University, Melbourne University, 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:36.880 Australia National University. Genuine poor people are not socialists. They've 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.160 got no wealth to redistribute. They're not reading marks and angles. 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:41.840 They just want to get ahead in life. They want 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:43.680 to pay the bills. They usually want to get out 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:45.760 of the crap that they were brought into, or the 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:47.840 some of they were born into. Never ran, of course, 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.440 said it best. The whole point of being working classes. 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.120 You want to get out and don't romanticize the poverty. 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:55.320 The students have got something else to worry about. But 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:57.480 you know what annoys me so much is, once upon 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:01.280 a time, all these lifty students that university. We're actually 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.640 fighting for things that mattered, like free speech and freedom 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:06.720 of expression. Back in your day, that's the kind of 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:08.480 thing that you would have been carrying on about job. 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.680 But of course now we have university students going out 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.959 to protest for I don't know, subjugating gay people in 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:18.000 Gaza and all sorts of stuff. They have moved because 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:21.359 they have become the elite. They used to fight the elite. 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:24.760 Now they are the elite. The left is the elite, 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.560 so they've got nothing left to really complain about. They 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.600 are running the show. There's nothing to rebel against. So 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.600 they're going the whole hog and saying, well, we've taken 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:37.760 over and the systems that built this country now, colonialism 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:39.800 and all the rest. That is what we have an 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.360 issue with, which is why they sympathize with a mob 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.840 like Hamas over in Palestine, even though if they try 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:47.920 to spend five minutes in the joint they'd be shot 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:51.320 in the head. It doesn't matter because the core belief, 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:54.160 which is that there is some sort of terrible colonial 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.080 power trying to take over, is what they believe. It 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.560 doesn't matter what the belief is cloaked in they'll jump 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:00.760 on it every single time. 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:05.200 And because there's been so little pushback from campus leaders, 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:09.560 because there's been so little vehement, proper strong arm pushback 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.359 from government, state or federal, I would argue, this is 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.760 the kind of thing that we are now happening seeing 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:20.280 happen in one of the world's leading Jewish schools. It's 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:23.960 right here in Australia. It's called Mount Scopus in Burwood. 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:29.720 Their campus was defiled with anti Semitic graffiti on the 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:37.359 very front gate. Someone graffiti Youde written in black spray paint. 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:41.320 Of course, Albanesi did then dust off the microphone and 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:44.760 say what he keeps saying, talking out the other side. 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:51.520 Of his mouth, it is no place for anti Semitism. 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:54.560 I think Dan's right that we need to be as 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:58.439 a country mature enough to be able to have a 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:01.080 debate about what's going on over to allow people to 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:05.000 have their completely legitimate right to express their views about 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.879 what's happening overseas, but to do that in a way 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:11.000 which does not challenge our own social cohesion. 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.280 Sorry, that was an elbow, of course, that was Richard Miles. 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.119 They keep using this line, there's no place, there's no place. 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:19.120 There's no place for. 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:22.600 This, and yet with every second tweet from this government 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:26.359 and all their support at the UN State councils, well, 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:29.240 it seems like you have created a place for it, 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.199 haven't you, because you certainly haven't created a place for 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:37.399 a lot of social cohesion around this particular issue. Melbourn 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:39.840 Easy tweeted the same, there's no place for this. 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.199 That seems to be their line. 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:47.480 The frustration for anyone paying attention is they themselves are 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:50.199 creating a place for this. They have not had a 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:55.040 comprehensive stance on it, even since the October seventh massacres. 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:59.400 Even their front bench is divided on it. They keep 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:01.520 talking out of both sides of their mouth, and then 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:04.840 when something like this happens, they say, oh, oh no, no, no, 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:06.480 there's no place for them. 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:08.480 And the government has sort of tried in vain in 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:10.600 the last couple of weeks to seem like they are 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:14.280 doing something, but it's very Johnny come lately, right. There 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.480 was a motion put up that was supported by Labor 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:18.119 to say that from the river to the sea was 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:21.359 basically a chance for genocide. Of course that didn't stop. 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:23.840 A couple of days earlier, a member of this of 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:26.800 Labor in the Senate saying exactly that on the floor 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:27.200 of the. 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:30.000 Senate, but that motion was brought by Labor in direct I. 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:34.720 Know, I how does a member of the Labor party 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:37.119 feel comfortable saying that on the floor of the Senate 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:38.000 in the first place? 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:41.600 That then required That was absolutely appalling. And there was 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:44.439 a new South Wales MP who's also said some similarly 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:47.200 stupid correct yeah prap, and he's been putting his box 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:50.280 by Premier Christians. And again you will have people in 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:53.320 the party from time to time who say incredibly stupid things. 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:54.920 I'd love to root the ball out if I could, 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.520 but sadly that's not always possible. But the point is 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:01.000 that the leadership has every single time completely rebuked them, 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:04.280 put them in their box, even put it to a vote, 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:06.399 so they'll put in their box. Anthony Abernezi has come 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:08.359 out personally and said from the River to the Sea 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:11.240