Speaker 1: Gay Gruver's Tiffanyanne Kirkpatrick Jones, Bonelo, Craig, Anthony Harper, just
Speaker 1: rocking up for our fortnight they get together. It really
Speaker 1: isn't about you. I don't want to disappoint you. We
Speaker 1: just get together for us, so fuck ya. But look,
Speaker 1: if you want to join in, no that's not true.
Speaker 1: It's for you too. But it is a little bit
Speaker 1: self indulgent this fortnight they get together, but we do
Speaker 1: it anyway. Hi, Patrick, you know, it just occurred to me.
Speaker 2: I don't think we've done a shout out for like
Speaker 2: two years to ask people if there is anything in
Speaker 2: particular technology wise they would like us to talk about.
Speaker 2: Maybe you're looking for a new phone and you're just
Speaker 2: trying to decide whether to go Apple or Android, or
Speaker 2: maybe I don't know, you know, you want to get
Speaker 2: a better way of cleaning your teeth.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of phones, we'll go to Tiffany An Cook
Speaker 1: at a moment. But last night on the news they
Speaker 1: had some bloke on the news who was at the
Speaker 1: I don't know, some convention you'd know in Las Vegas
Speaker 1: or wherever, like the groundbreaking Tech for the next next
Speaker 1: year and the notorious foldable Samsung phone that they've fucked
Speaker 1: up and ran Bennett thirty five times. They've got a
Speaker 1: new one, and they reckon, it's amazing because it's the
Speaker 1: size of a phone. But then it folds out. I
Speaker 1: don't know why I held up my phone like you
Speaker 1: two don't know how big a phone is.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Greg, see if you can fold them in half.
Speaker 1: I'll fold you in half. Packn oragami boys.
Speaker 2: I think it's the yeah, consumer electronic show that's seldom
Speaker 2: less last but thank.
Speaker 1: You, thank you, And then but they reckon it's great.
Speaker 1: But also they had another thing, a ring that goes
Speaker 1: on the finger like the one that Tiff has or
Speaker 1: I don't know if both of you have. But the
Speaker 1: new Samsung one that they reckon is amazing and puts
Speaker 1: all your data into your phone. So I better get
Speaker 1: one of those or not?
Speaker 4: Is it a real good at tech?
Speaker 1: Shut up? I figured out my earphones. Are you proud
Speaker 1: of me? Look at me?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm so proud of you.
Speaker 5: You know, you can tuck them around the back of
Speaker 5: your head so it ain't seen it really, You've got
Speaker 5: massive lats so they might not reach them in my phone.
Speaker 1: Shut up, Shut up? Tis been yelling at me. Everyone
Speaker 1: tiss been yelling at me for two years at least
Speaker 1: to wear headphones. So I've compromised and I've got these
Speaker 1: little fucking I was going to say something that really
Speaker 1: would have got me in trouble. These little weird looking
Speaker 1: things that just hang on my ears. What do you
Speaker 1: call these tips?
Speaker 4: Just earbuds? Stick in your ears? Earbuds?
Speaker 1: How long did it take you to learn how to
Speaker 1: put them on? A bit? And then then TIV was
Speaker 1: teaching me how to buy things online last night at
Speaker 1: the gym. I asked her and she was laughing at
Speaker 1: how handicapped I am in that space.
Speaker 5: Patrick, he doesn't know how to buy something online just
Speaker 5: on Amazon where there's a big button that says buy now.
Speaker 1: I've never bought anything. I get a bit scared. A
Speaker 1: quick quiz again?
Speaker 2: Sure tell me what forward collision avoidance assist is on
Speaker 2: a car.
Speaker 1: I assume you're talking not in Southland, when you're in
Speaker 1: the queue to pay for your stuff. Yep, that would
Speaker 1: be yes, so that you don't crash into something in
Speaker 1: front of you.
Speaker 3: What about what about lane keep assist?
Speaker 1: Yep, got that on my car as well. You monitor
Speaker 1: blind spot view monitors. These are all things you're reading
Speaker 1: off my car, are they? Yeah? Yeah, you've got these.
Speaker 1: Does it tell you that it can park itself in?
Speaker 1: That I can get out in the driveway and it
Speaker 1: puts itself in the garage.
Speaker 2: You'd have really tight fit there, so maybe it would
Speaker 2: be helpful exactly.
Speaker 1: Tiff, good morning, How are you?
Speaker 6: Good morning?
Speaker 1: Good thanks, terrific. Welcome to Friday seven thirty five and
Speaker 1: thriving metropolis. What's the temperature in baland Patrick as we speak?
Speaker 2: Well, I stoked up the fireplace before I jumped in.
Speaker 2: Now it's the four point five degrees.
Speaker 1: It's warm.
Speaker 4: Jumped in the fireplace to be.
Speaker 1: Stoked it up. Be stoked it up? All right, let's
Speaker 1: jump into it. So, this, of course is tech central.
Speaker 1: I try to stay out of the way. Really, it's
Speaker 1: the Tiff and Patrick show. I'm just did to ask
Speaker 1: dumb shit that some of you, not all of you,
Speaker 1: because some of you are brilliant, but some of you
Speaker 1: are dumb fucks like me when it comes to technology.
Speaker 1: You know it, I know it. So I'm here to
Speaker 1: ask the questions on behalf of the dummies. Patrick, where
Speaker 1: do you want to start? My friend?
Speaker 2: Four point five billion year old Lego, Well not quite
Speaker 2: four point five billion year old Lego, but Lego that
Speaker 2: has been made from a four point five billion.
Speaker 1: Year old media rite has been put together.
Speaker 2: In conjunction with Lego and the European Space Agency.
Speaker 3: I know I shouldn't find that super exciting, but I
Speaker 3: do to, so.
Speaker 1: Tiff and I are shocked that you find that exciting. Okay.
Speaker 2: So the reason is so this media rite was found
Speaker 2: in Northwest Africa in the year two thousand and so
Speaker 2: Lego has worked with the A Space Agency to try.
Speaker 1: To build a Lego block because.
Speaker 2: They believe that a lot of the materials that make
Speaker 2: up the Lego block or this metia righte, actually are
Speaker 2: familiar with materials on the Moon, and they reckon if
Speaker 2: you're going to build a base on the Moon, you
Speaker 2: want to be able to build it on the Moon
Speaker 2: from materials that are there from the moon dust. So
Speaker 2: this was a really interesting experiment and it makes sense
Speaker 2: do it with Lego.
Speaker 3: You can build everything out of Lego.
Speaker 5: Hmm.
Speaker 1: Cool, You're not excited at all, are you? No? I
Speaker 1: just think building shit on the moon's a stupid idea.
Speaker 1: The atmosphere can't support life. You can't grow shit there.
Speaker 1: Let's do a cost benefit analysis on making the Earth
Speaker 1: better versus trying to fucking you know, habitat is that
Speaker 1: the word the moon? Like, let's just spend all those
Speaker 1: trillions on the Earth that we currently live in, and
Speaker 1: fuck all your plans for living on the moon.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, so much research went into the
Speaker 2: first Moon landings and it pushed technology so far forward,
Speaker 2: and space research does so much to help us here
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: There are molecules that.
Speaker 2: You can put together now in the International Space Station
Speaker 2: that you can't put together on Earth because it's zero gravity.
Speaker 3: So look, I know what you're saying, and it's a bit.
Speaker 2: Of a long you know, you're drawing back a long pon,
Speaker 2: But I think he needs to play the long game
Speaker 2: and it does help in the long term.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm saying. Two billion people who live on
Speaker 1: less than three dollars a day don't give a fuck
Speaker 1: about this. They just want clean drinking water, they want safety,
Speaker 1: they want clothes and warmth. So fuck your moon plans.
Speaker 1: Let's get all the people on Earth looked after first.
Speaker 3: I wish I had my AI lie detector.
Speaker 2: Now I don't know if you be genuinely believing the
Speaker 2: shit that's coming out of him.
Speaker 1: And no, I'm kidding. No, two billion people or more
Speaker 1: probably two million people, two billion people live in poverty.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. Not worried about what's fucking happening with
Speaker 1: the space station.
Speaker 2: I know inequality is just staggering, But I don't have
Speaker 2: gold tips to taps either.
Speaker 1: Relative to a lot of people you do. But it
Speaker 1: is it interesting thing. Were you a lego kid or not?
Speaker 1: You would have been more Yeah, if you were, you
Speaker 1: ever ever a lego kid?
Speaker 4: A little bit more a Tonka truck kid?
Speaker 1: You know? Were you really like we fuck around a bit?
Speaker 1: Were you really a tomboy? I'm probably going to get
Speaker 1: in trouble when I say I can't see you ever
Speaker 1: having played with dolls? Send the emails.
Speaker 4: Do you have dolls? I remember a Barbie, right, I
Speaker 4: don't know if it had a head.
Speaker 1: I had a Steve Austin doll. Fucking If anyone had
Speaker 1: dolls on this little trio, it was you. You probably
Speaker 1: had all the dolls.
Speaker 5: Wait.
Speaker 2: I had a bionic Man doll, Steve, do you remember that?
Speaker 2: And had a button you could push in the back
Speaker 2: and it had a bionic arm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we used to. We used to flick rulers at
Speaker 1: school off the edge of the desk, so it sounded
Speaker 1: like him running. Do you remember that? Yeah? Yeah, And
Speaker 1: our local milk bar had accessories. I could buy a super.
Speaker 2: Kid at an inflatable raft and everything.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure they're doing the equivalent of that now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that says a lot about me, So tiff Sorry,
Speaker 2: I interrupted you. I just got excited talking about dolls.
Speaker 1: Did you have dolls? You did?
Speaker 4: You said I had some dolls I had did have
Speaker 4: Tonka trucks too?
Speaker 1: And what that?
Speaker 4: Match box cars?
Speaker 5: To throw them at my brothers, to piff them at
Speaker 5: my brother and get in trouble because they're hard. That's
Speaker 5: not getting shot if you throw all the match box
Speaker 5: car e someone Wow.
Speaker 1: So who would have thought young Tiffany and cooking Lon
Speaker 1: Seston throwing hard objects at.
Speaker 4: Her brother beach?
Speaker 1: No lame. Sorry, sorry Turner's Beach folk, both of you
Speaker 1: shout out to all our listener in Turner's Beach. It's
Speaker 1: all gone. Yeah. You tell us about lie detectors.
Speaker 2: Well, you know it's lie detecting is quite an art
Speaker 2: and it's hard to do. It's really hard to catch
Speaker 2: people out in a lie. We think we might be
Speaker 2: good at it, we might be good at lying, or
Speaker 2: we might be good at reading a lie, but the
Speaker 2: reality is that we don't and even polygraph tests are
Speaker 2: pretty well crap. So now there's some researchers and a
Speaker 2: Leisha vonn Schleck and her colleagues have done a series
Speaker 2: of research. They're from the University of Waltzburg in Germany,
Speaker 2: and so they ran a number of experiments and they
Speaker 2: got people to use this AI assistant to be able
Speaker 2: to try to.
Speaker 1: Work out whether people were lying or not.
Speaker 2: So they got people and they incentivized people to talk
Speaker 2: about their weekend, and then they incentivize them to lie,
Speaker 2: and then they tried to catch them man in lies.
Speaker 2: But what they found was the AI tool was more
Speaker 2: effective than people at finding out whether people were lying
Speaker 2: or not. Now do we want to know if people
Speaker 2: are lying? But you think about how helpful it would be,
Speaker 2: not just in legal cases and stuff like that, but
Speaker 2: if you think about it fake news. You know, if
Speaker 2: you were you know, I don't know, job applications, it
Speaker 2: would be really interesting.
Speaker 1: But people selling you stuff? What about when people are
Speaker 1: selling your shit, the bullshit that comes out of their mouth.
Speaker 1: That's like a bit true, kind of true, completely untrue.
Speaker 1: People trying to impress people. Yeah, by the extended warranty,
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. So exact, do you know
Speaker 1: when they sold me my car, we'll come back. Sorry
Speaker 1: it's not a great car or anything anyone, but just
Speaker 1: pursuant to this point, they tried to sell me three
Speaker 1: thousand dollars body protection. I'm like, what, so the paint's
Speaker 1: no good? Oh no, the pain's great. I go, well,
Speaker 1: why would I need to spend just in the car
Speaker 1: that was for you? Ah? For me, I need that.
Speaker 1: Then I should have got that. They do the body
Speaker 1: paint protection thing.
Speaker 2: They tried to do that with my cake cause I'd
Speaker 2: never bought a new car until a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: It's like, what, yeah, exactly the pains. They also try
Speaker 2: to do the upsell the on the interior. They said,
Speaker 2: if you go to the next model, you're vinyl at
Speaker 2: the material seat, we can upgrade that to leather.
Speaker 3: And I said, I want a dead animal in my gar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, chart animal flesh in my car. But I think
Speaker 1: you know what's interesting about lying is that and this
Speaker 1: sounds obvious and funny, but it is true allegedly, or
Speaker 1: am I lying? It's almost impossible to research. It's impossible
Speaker 1: to get virtually impossible to get really accurate data on
Speaker 1: lying because nobody wants to be perceived as a liar.
Speaker 1: So and it's all self kind of reporting research. You know,
Speaker 1: how often do you lie? Well, of course people are
Speaker 1: going to lie about how often they lie, because nobody
Speaker 1: wants to say they're a liar. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I guess the other thing too, though, is there are
Speaker 2: different types of lies. You know, there's the oh yes,
Speaker 2: there is a Santa clause, or no, you look fantastic.
Speaker 1: You know what do you say? Well, yeah, there isn't.
Speaker 1: There isn't. I mean, it's either something's true or it's untrue.
Speaker 1: But I know what you're saying what we call colloquially
Speaker 1: white lies. You know, it's like when someone says to you,
Speaker 1: do you like what I'm wearing? And you think it's
Speaker 1: fucking horrible? What do you do? You go, No, it's
Speaker 1: fucking I love you, But that's dog shit. You know
Speaker 1: what do you say?
Speaker 4: What about what about positive affirmations?
Speaker 5: Remember we've talked about those before, and if they're too
Speaker 5: far removed from your beliefs.
Speaker 4: They're actually they have the opposite effect.
Speaker 5: I wonder if you could throw that on and see
Speaker 5: where you really sit and how far you can push
Speaker 5: push your beliefs before you hit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if that's I mean, I think everybody
Speaker 1: lies because and it might. You know, it's like if
Speaker 1: somebody like, if you're if you're in danger, tif, I
Speaker 1: would expect you to lie, like I would expect if
Speaker 1: not that you'd be in danger, becauld you'd punch anyone
Speaker 1: in the head. Let's say, I'm home alone, right, I'm
Speaker 1: in danger, you know, and it's in your interest for
Speaker 1: someone to think that someone's coming to meet you even
Speaker 1: though they're not, or that there's someone else in the house,
Speaker 1: or you know, like there's a time when for your
Speaker 1: own safety, lying is a good idea, you know, and
Speaker 1: that it's a really slippery slope and a messy landscape.
Speaker 1: But Patrick, do you remember a show on TV called
Speaker 1: Lie to Me?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was fantastic because I reckon you look like
Speaker 2: the guy we've spoken about that before, the guy Tim Ruff.
Speaker 1: Is it Tim Rough? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you look like him, Tim. Oh,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 2: Look up Tim Ruff and then look at crago. I reckon,
Speaker 2: they look so similar.
Speaker 1: I reckon, I don't. But that was based on science
Speaker 1: from a guy called Paul Eckman, and the character's name
Speaker 1: was cal Lightman. And that science was all around and
Speaker 1: you know, this around micro expressions and being able to
Speaker 1: and they mapped all this computer stuff. They mapped like
Speaker 1: thousands of micro expressions and it was meant it was
Speaker 1: meant to be the you know, the brain. Through that
Speaker 1: we could tell what anyone was feeling without whether or
Speaker 1: not they are lying, ronest or sad or happy or
Speaker 1: resentful or frustrated. And then and then some other people
Speaker 1: brought out some research and went, yeah, that doesn't work
Speaker 1: across cultures though, So it's yeah, it's a slippery space yestive. No,
Speaker 1: he doesn't look like me, does he?
Speaker 4: He does? He really does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's his name again? Patrick? I'm going to look
Speaker 1: him up now, right now, everyone's doing that. You two
Speaker 1: keep talking. I'm looking them up. I say.
Speaker 2: You know, the interesting thing, though, Tive, is when does
Speaker 2: a lie? When does an exaggeration become a lie? Because
Speaker 2: we exaggerate. So if you're going for a job interview,
Speaker 2: you can talk about a position that you've held and
Speaker 2: the type of skills that you you embellish a little bit.
Speaker 5: I wonder if there'd be a difference in that between
Speaker 5: men and women, because men often have no trouble embellishing
Speaker 5: or stepping into jobs that they maybe not qualified for,
Speaker 5: whereas women have such imposter syndrome that we kind of
Speaker 5: do the opposite.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yeah, that's a good point. And you know,
Speaker 2: whether it's the fisherman going out there saying the fish
Speaker 2: was this big, it's always a cute one, isn't it.
Speaker 2: My twin brother is an angler and I've never understood
Speaker 2: the interest. And I know that it's the most popular
Speaker 2: sport in Australia.
Speaker 1: Did you have fish? You know what?
Speaker 5: I went fishing once when I had a little trip
Speaker 5: around Tazzy and didn't catch a single thing. We went
Speaker 5: fishing and went fishing at the Great Lakes with normal fishing, right.
Speaker 5: I think you go off for a fly fishing there,
Speaker 5: we're standing there with normal fishing right as well.
Speaker 3: Fish is at I used.
Speaker 2: To go fishing with my mates, not put a hook on,
Speaker 2: just put sinker.
Speaker 3: I just think it's so cruel the poor fish like
Speaker 3: they get a hook.
Speaker 1: And my brother would say to me. That's right.
Speaker 3: We throw them back in yes, with major trauma.
Speaker 1: To the inside of their mouths.
Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry to all the anglers out there, because I've
Speaker 2: probably just alienated sixty seven percent of our listenership.
Speaker 1: Yeah I did. Yeah, you fish quite a bit and
Speaker 1: I didn't throw them back. We just ate them. You know.
Speaker 1: It's the cycle. It's nature, you know. I tell you what,
Speaker 1: though I'm the closest I've ever got to becoming a vegan.
Speaker 1: Tiff sent me this video, a reel of this lady
Speaker 1: who's got a pet cow. Oh my god. Like I
Speaker 1: grew up in the country around cows and for me
Speaker 1: to think this cow was white and fluffy, it looked
Speaker 1: like a gigantic dog. Tiff send it to Patrick. This
Speaker 1: is terrible on a video, but the cutest fucking thing
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. And I felt very guilty eating my
Speaker 1: mince meat that night, I will tell you, but not
Speaker 1: too guilty that I couldn't need it.
Speaker 5: If people want to follow the page, it's Lacey Mlacey
Speaker 5: m Evans, l A. C.
Speaker 4: I E. M Evans and there's heaps of cow pictures. Patrick,
Speaker 4: I'll send it to you.
Speaker 1: I've already looked it up. That's okay, I can see them.
Speaker 4: Good lad.
Speaker 2: I love animals, So you're not gonna You've already got
Speaker 2: a winner on me. Oh yeah, that's pretty cute. It's
Speaker 2: a client of mine that has a thing called the
Speaker 2: Valet's Black Nose Sheep that you would never eat lamb
Speaker 2: again if you ever saw a Valet's Black Nose sheep.
Speaker 1: They're so cute. I mean they're so cute. I would
Speaker 1: you would not. By the way, there's got nothing to
Speaker 1: do with tech. I'm thinking about getting the dog. Oh
Speaker 1: get a snoutzer or with it? Nah, a proper dog? What?
Speaker 1: Oh like an actual dog that's a Palet's Black Nose sheep.
Speaker 1: And now tip so old it can you that's terrible
Speaker 1: for bodka. It's cute, though, I'm very cute. Put it
Speaker 1: up in the group. If you're not in our group,
Speaker 1: do you project? You project you're going.
Speaker 4: To miss out on the sheep?
Speaker 1: You're going to miss.
Speaker 4: Out on it.
Speaker 1: So can you put up the video one the video
Speaker 1: of the cow so people know, like for me to
Speaker 1: think it's cute, it's fucking cute. I want that.
Speaker 4: You talked about it every single day since.
Speaker 1: Very cute. It's very cute. My face. Favorite bit is
Speaker 1: when she goes and lies on it. She just lies
Speaker 1: on the back of this cow and the cow doesn't
Speaker 1: give a fuck. All right, Patrick, let's talk about tech
Speaker 1: because we can. Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, that's what we're here for, right, feel free? Hey,
Speaker 2: well okay, AI, I know is something we talk about
Speaker 2: a lot. We talked about the light detectors. A Scottish
Speaker 2: artist is something done, something quite controversial, and this is
Speaker 2: a fairly I didn't know the guy. His name is
Speaker 2: is Michael Forbes, but his works. People who own his
Speaker 2: works include Madonna, Terry Gillham from Monty Python, Ricky Gervais.
Speaker 1: So he's well known in a lot of circles.
Speaker 2: Now what he's done is he's taken some of his
Speaker 2: most impressive work and covered them in black paint, half
Speaker 2: of them in black paint. So he's destroyed his artwork. Wow,
Speaker 2: a protest against AI as a protest about you know,
Speaker 2: the fact that a lot of these AI models have
Speaker 2: been used by scraping data of artists' works. And he
Speaker 2: said in a lot of ways, you know, it's a reaction.
Speaker 2: He's redacted his work. Four of his paintings have been damaged.
Speaker 2: You know, he's put this black pain on top of them,
Speaker 2: and he sees he's actually heartbroken.
Speaker 1: He's deliberately done this. You know.
Speaker 2: One of the paintings was John Lennon, and you know
Speaker 2: it featured Taylor Swift, and he's just blacked it all out.
Speaker 2: And so it's an interesting little protest. You know, you're
Speaker 2: not agree, you don't agree with Craig.
Speaker 1: Well, no, it's not agree or disagree. I'm wondering. I
Speaker 1: think it's well in some ways, I'm like, it's very brave,
Speaker 1: but I go, is it going to move the needle
Speaker 1: on anything? Will it create any positive change? And if
Speaker 1: he's just destroyed his own artwork and there's no positive
Speaker 1: outcome from that, yeah, and he's depressed and sad. Now
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know. I mean, there's no judgment
Speaker 1: in there for me, there's just curiosity. I wonder if
Speaker 1: that will help in any way, if that will change
Speaker 1: anything for the better. I guess obviously we're talking about
Speaker 1: it on the other side of the world, so it's
Speaker 1: brought attention to it and maybe that's a good thing.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I think it's an indomitable force.
Speaker 1: AI I don't think it's going anywhere. Bit.
Speaker 2: The hardest thing with AI that I try to reconcile
Speaker 2: myself with is how they've scraped data without people's permission,
Speaker 2: because this is another bit of research that's been done,
Speaker 2: and they're saying that one of the biggest ALI models
Speaker 2: were actually.
Speaker 1: Trained on a lot of Australian.
Speaker 2: Kids' photos that were scraped from you know, websites, social media.
Speaker 2: It might have been like the school swimming carnival and
Speaker 2: they happen to.
Speaker 1: Publish a few photos.
Speaker 2: So this researcher was saying, this is an organization called
Speaker 2: Human Rights Watch, and what they said is they were
Speaker 2: really surprised that this data set had a whole lot
Speaker 2: of information like newborn babies with the mother still there
Speaker 2: holding the babe and the umbilical cords still connected. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's kind of pre schoolers playing musical instruments, schools and swimsuits.
Speaker 3: But for some reason, there seemed to be a higher
Speaker 3: bias for Australian kids.
Speaker 2: Now, whatever reason it was, maybe you know, Australians are
Speaker 2: more likely to post this sort of stuff. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: have thought so, but there is a real concern that
Speaker 2: these images because they've now been scraped and added to
Speaker 2: this data set.
Speaker 1: If you want what does that mean? Okay, like most
Speaker 1: of us don't know what scraped means.
Speaker 2: So what it means is that these AI algorithms need
Speaker 2: to learn and they need examples. So they want an
Speaker 2: example of what a middle aged man wearing glasses wearing
Speaker 2: a black hoodie looks like, as.
Speaker 1: If there's any of them around exactly.
Speaker 2: So they basically go through and what they were doing
Speaker 2: was just searching and scraping all the data from the
Speaker 2: Internet and using that to train the ALI model. The
Speaker 2: problem is this was all kind of done. I think
Speaker 2: it was altruistic initially. I don't think anybody meant it maliciously.
Speaker 2: But what they've done, and whether it's inadvertent or whether
Speaker 2: it's been deliberate, is they have pulled in lots of photographs,
Speaker 2: including photographs of children, real people. And the concern is,
Speaker 2: and this is about this artist, for example, a Scottish artist.
Speaker 2: What he's saying is his style of painting. You know,
Speaker 2: different styles of artwork might be very unique to a
Speaker 2: particular artist. But if you say I want to create
Speaker 2: a painting in the same style as Craig's dads and
Speaker 2: then it will replicate that using AI. Now, that's the
Speaker 2: concern is that real children's faces. And it was only
Speaker 2: a few weeks ago that a school in back of
Speaker 2: s Marsh, a grammar school in back of Smash, hit
Speaker 2: the headlines because one of the students was taking photographs
Speaker 2: of girls at the school and using AI to make
Speaker 2: fake naked pictures.
Speaker 3: And you know, this is what AI can be used for.
Speaker 2: So the reality is that no one has given permission
Speaker 2: for their data to be used.
Speaker 3: It could be one of your books, it could be
Speaker 3: something that Tif's.
Speaker 2: Done, it could be something that I've written, it could
Speaker 2: be a graphic design or logo that I've created.
Speaker 1: And that's the.
Speaker 2: Concern is that where does it start and finish in
Speaker 2: terms of the you know, how much of your imagery
Speaker 2: is belongs to you as the artist, as the person
Speaker 2: who's produced it, or the person who's written it, or
Speaker 2: the person who said it. Your voice that's unique to you.
Speaker 2: You have every right to control what you say. And
Speaker 2: it was only a few episodes ago that.
Speaker 1: I as if anyone would use my voice without my permission?
Speaker 6: Is that three episodes ago, Well, I hang on, I
Speaker 6: hang on somebody, Oh somebody did on this bloody call. Yeah, look,
Speaker 6: I don't know. I think I think you know, we're
Speaker 6: going to go around in circles with this. There's no answer.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's no there's no answer. There's no quick
Speaker 6: answer anyway, there's no simple answer. And it's exponentially increasing,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 1: It's it's a fucking tsunami of change that's happening in
Speaker 1: the virtual space.
Speaker 2: Can I give one positive app Let's let's finish off
Speaker 2: on the AI with the positive AI.
Speaker 1: Still. Can we can we shelve the AI after this? Yep? Okay,
Speaker 1: no problem.
Speaker 2: Now, well there's a new AI model that's that that
Speaker 2: there that's being developed at the moment.
Speaker 1: And you know how you can use text to create
Speaker 1: an image.
Speaker 2: Now you can use text or you'll soon be able
Speaker 2: to use text to create.
Speaker 1: A three D image.
Speaker 2: So say, for example, I wanted to print a three
Speaker 2: D model of my dog, I could sayerate a three
Speaker 2: D Schnautzer wearing a bow tie and it will actually
Speaker 2: create the three D mesh model that you can print
Speaker 2: on your own three D printer.
Speaker 1: Is that kind of cool? Wow? And two of our
Speaker 1: listeners are like, that's amazing. Twenty thousand, like fuck next, Okay,
Speaker 1: the AI.
Speaker 3: We're not going to talk about AI ever again.
Speaker 1: Fucking hey, everyone, I can three D print my schnauzer.
Speaker 1: Fucking there's there's the gra of the century. Make that
Speaker 1: into a real tip. Oh three three D print your schnauzer.
Speaker 1: Know about that. I'm not sure what I meant by that.
Speaker 1: We all know what you meant by that. Do you
Speaker 1: know what? Something I saw on the news, which I
Speaker 1: see is on your list, mate? Is what? And look?
Speaker 1: Part of me thinks this is a great part of
Speaker 1: me hates it. I'm conflicted. Speed limiters on cars are
Speaker 1: now mandatory or becoming mandatory in Europe, and I've long
Speaker 1: wondered Patrick about and Tiff and everyone about. You know,
Speaker 1: It's like I have a motorbike that will do nearly
Speaker 1: three hundred kilometers an hour in a country where the
Speaker 1: fastest I can legally go is one hundred and ten.
Speaker 1: Now I love the fact that you know I've got
Speaker 1: this lead yet, but really it's like, even if it
Speaker 1: went one hundred and forty, you go, well, that's enough, right.
Speaker 1: It is interesting that we produce all of these cars
Speaker 1: and motorbikes that are essentially unusable in most places in
Speaker 1: the world, can I make one point sure?
Speaker 2: And I live in a rural area, and there are
Speaker 2: occasions if I am overtaking where I am going to
Speaker 2: admit this that I have gone over the speed limit
Speaker 2: to overtake a vehicle as safely as I feel I
Speaker 2: could to be able to get past effectively if it's
Speaker 2: a be double or it's a large to get to
Speaker 2: get past them. So look, I've only ever had one
Speaker 2: speeding ticket in my entire driving.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have won a week, you know what, And
Speaker 3: you know what the irony was.
Speaker 2: I was driving, I was late driving to a funeral
Speaker 2: for a person who died in a car accident, and
Speaker 2: I got done speeding.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's that's I don't know if that's a message,
Speaker 1: but but but yeah, I get that everyone's done that.
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about you know, like the new Teslas
Speaker 1: that do not to one hundred and one point nine
Speaker 1: seconds that where building these like these higher and higher
Speaker 1: performance vehicles, which personally I love. But that's emotion, right,
Speaker 1: I love them. It's fucking I love all that shit.
Speaker 1: But from a responsibility and a strategic and a logical perspective,
Speaker 1: it makes no sense to have vehicles that do three
Speaker 1: times the speed limit. So do we limit the speed?
Speaker 2: Do we limit the ability for the car to accelerate
Speaker 2: so quickly or to be able to go at three
Speaker 2: hundred kilometers an hour?
Speaker 1: Or we could all buy a twenty five year old Mazda.
Speaker 1: You know, we could do that with a head gasket problem. Now, look,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean at the same time, I
Speaker 1: love them, but I think if we didn't have cars
Speaker 1: that went in But also I think if we didn't
Speaker 1: have cigarettes that were we no kill people. But anyone
Speaker 1: can buy them anywhere. You know. It's like, this is
Speaker 1: just our society, isn't it. We've got a whole lot
Speaker 1: of stuff that's legal that can kill you. Albeit speeding
Speaker 1: is not legal, but we give you a car that
Speaker 1: gives you the capability of speeding in a million ways. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: Interestingly, this this legislation that's going through in Europe actually
Speaker 2: has kicked off already. It's just come into law. It's
Speaker 2: called ISA Intelligent Speed Assistance. It's now mandatory, so any
Speaker 2: new car that's now sold in the EU will either
Speaker 2: warn drivers when they're driving over the speed limit or
Speaker 2: actively prevent the vehicle.
Speaker 1: So I like the warning idea. Mind does that? Yes,
Speaker 1: mine literally has on my window. It'll have the speed
Speaker 1: on the left, like sorry, the speed limit whatever area
Speaker 1: you're in, on the literally the fucking windscreen.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, you mean a head's up display.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I mean. Well, that's why I've got you.
Speaker 1: And then next to that will be the speed I'm going.
Speaker 1: And if I'm in a hundred zone and I'm doing
Speaker 1: one hundred and two, shit starts fucking making noise. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is annoying. I better slow down. Two k's tiff.
Speaker 2: Didn't he take the piss out of me last episode
Speaker 2: about using the word hud and now he's actively using
Speaker 2: a heart every day?
Speaker 1: What heads up display doesn't think? We don't have to
Speaker 1: use your bloody tech, bloody acronyms. Why it's easy to
Speaker 1: stay hard? Tell me about an EV that charges in
Speaker 1: under five minutes. That seems unlikely, That seems impossible.
Speaker 2: Well that this is This is the Niyebolt. I think
Speaker 2: it's called the Niebolt EV. And yeah, they've I reckon
Speaker 2: that they've been able to get it up and charged.
Speaker 1: I think it's eighty.
Speaker 3: Percent within five within five minutes.
Speaker 2: That's pretty amazing, So from ten percent up to eighty percent.
Speaker 2: And look, the problem we've got is standard lithium ion
Speaker 2: batteries don't allow a charge.
Speaker 1: It has to be charged at a certain rate.
Speaker 2: You can't just force a whole lot of electricity into
Speaker 2: it and it charges fast. So the way the batteries
Speaker 2: built is one of the reasons that they're they're really
Speaker 2: looking at how to speed up.
Speaker 1: The charge process.
Speaker 2: So that because the concern with lithium batteries, and of
Speaker 2: course we've seen a lot of this recent times is
Speaker 2: fires because they can catch fire, and this concerns about,
Speaker 2: you know, how combustable they are. But it's a startup company.
Speaker 2: It's teamed up with Cambridge University in the UK, and
Speaker 2: they're saying that they can speed up that by changing
Speaker 2: the chemistry of a lithium ion battery, it will allow
Speaker 2: more electricity into the battery to be retained at a much, much,
Speaker 2: much faster rate. So that would be a massive boon
Speaker 2: to I think.
Speaker 1: A lot of people.
Speaker 2: If you knew that you could charge up your vehicles
Speaker 2: so quickly, I reckon that would be a real, you know,
Speaker 2: really incentive for a lot of people who are maybe
Speaker 2: a little bit resistant to get.
Speaker 1: Definitely, that would be a game changer because right now
Speaker 1: it's for a lot of people, it's very impractical.
Speaker 2: So the car that they adapted to do this was
Speaker 2: a Lotus. The lease that's looking car isn't that as
Speaker 2: a gorgeous.
Speaker 1: Cars Lotus make, which is a British car. Everyone. They
Speaker 1: make beautiful cars. They've traditionally, or I should say historically,
Speaker 1: been quite unreliable, but they are amazing looking cars. But
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they're not built in England anymore. Shout
Speaker 1: out to our English listeners. Not everything else is good though,
Speaker 1: just maybe the old the old old school Lotuses were
Speaker 1: a bit dodgy.
Speaker 3: So you're going to say something before I.
Speaker 1: Was just gonna I'm interested in the night curfew feature.
Speaker 1: That's new software that Tesla are bringing out. What is
Speaker 1: that about?
Speaker 3: That's a good question, you tell me, just.
Speaker 1: Just take this bit out. What's on your list? Motherfucker?
Speaker 1: You can leave all this into fucking no fuck him.
Speaker 1: He sends his little list and then he doesn't know
Speaker 1: do you know what? Though in his defense, he did
Speaker 1: send the list on Tuesday. It was such a why
Speaker 1: were you so organized this week?
Speaker 2: Because I had can I sure Okay, this is how
Speaker 2: I prepare for the show. I read throughout the two weeks,
Speaker 2: and when I find an article that potentially could assist,
Speaker 2: I email it to myself and I have a folder.
Speaker 2: I had a kit of work experience, and I got
Speaker 2: him to collate it all for me.
Speaker 1: Ah, so the kids, well, yeah, can you see if
Speaker 1: the kids available for the podcast? Because you're doing shit?
Speaker 3: Hey Christian, thanks for putting hard work.
Speaker 1: It's hey, Christian, are you available in two weeks mate?
Speaker 1: Because the bloke that's currently doing it not that good. No.
Speaker 2: I do a live radio spot on a little community
Speaker 2: radio station as well, but I didn't get to that part.
Speaker 2: So I looked at it, thought, that's an interesting story.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: New update that is calls got a night curfew mode
Speaker 2: and it's great for parents right when they want to
Speaker 2: make sure that their kids don't drive the car at night.
Speaker 2: So basically you can make sure that can't being used
Speaker 2: by someone who shouldn't be using it.
Speaker 1: You just got busted. You just got busted time. Well,
Speaker 1: how about instead of me asking you questions about the
Speaker 1: notes that you've sent me and throwing you under the
Speaker 1: bus because you're ill prepared, how about you just steer
Speaker 1: the ship.
Speaker 2: Why would you want me to steer the ship because
Speaker 2: I'll be talking about shit you're not interested in.
Speaker 1: That's not interested in all of it. I want to
Speaker 1: know about a six legged robot guide dog because.
Speaker 2: Was this yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, Well, so when we
Speaker 2: think of all those robot dogs, and Boston Dynamics has
Speaker 2: been very popular in the past with the development that
Speaker 2: they've done. We've all seen the Boston Dynamics dogs, you know,
Speaker 2: or the robots that get pushed over, they get back
Speaker 2: up again. But I thought this was interesting because when
Speaker 2: we think about, you know, the fact that what could
Speaker 2: you use those dogs for? You know, and now they're saying, well,
Speaker 2: why not use them to help people who are visually
Speaker 2: impaired or vision impaired, I should say, to be able
Speaker 2: to help them and that way, don't have to worry
Speaker 2: about cleaning up after dog. I mean, it's got a
Speaker 2: lot of benefits there. You just charge it up then
Speaker 2: have defeated. No, but I height of Fritz, by the way,
Speaker 2: my dog. I would never replace him with an electronic dog.
Speaker 2: By the way, No, I wouldn't. We were about to
Speaker 2: get a dog, aren't you. Didn't you say, yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 2: you couldn't.
Speaker 1: Possibly do that.
Speaker 2: You'll you'll realize once you've got one. Anyway, So this
Speaker 2: guide dog robot. It also the benefit of this is
Speaker 2: would have a whole lot of tech built into it
Speaker 2: to be able to It's been developed in Shang High University,
Speaker 2: and it would have things like light ar and radar
Speaker 2: and sensors built into it to be able to accurately,
Speaker 2: you know, see and navigate around the world and assist people.
Speaker 2: And I guess you know, I think seeing eye dogs
Speaker 2: are amazing, but you know, they only have a certain
Speaker 2: lifespan and you've got.
Speaker 1: To train them.
Speaker 2: A whole lot of effort and energy goes into it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, this could be really beneficial. You're not interested
Speaker 2: at all with.
Speaker 1: Rose and cons pros. I'm with you, like they're probably
Speaker 1: going to be in some ways more effective and more
Speaker 1: features and functions, But you need the love, You need
Speaker 1: the emotion you need to get. You need to line
Speaker 1: the floor with your guide dog and snuggle. You need
Speaker 1: your guide dogs sleeping on your bed and licking your
Speaker 1: face and farting.
Speaker 2: The problem is in countries, say, for exact, China is
Speaker 2: a really good example. They're just a not enough guide dogs.
Speaker 3: That's true. That's the other problem.
Speaker 2: So there's this long learning curve where you've got to
Speaker 2: teach them, you've got to breathe them. And so there
Speaker 2: are people who are missing out because they're just as
Speaker 2: a more need than there are supply and so much
Speaker 2: work that goes into it. But if you can build them,
Speaker 2: train them, it means you just download it straight into
Speaker 2: the dog or the electronic dog, the six legged dog,
Speaker 2: and off your go and running.
Speaker 1: I see that Japan has finally discovered Viagrapatrick, So the
Speaker 1: story above, the one you just read, discovered viagra. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: Japanese government finally says farewell to floppy discs.
Speaker 2: Really, I thought this was interesting because I know the
Speaker 2: Japanese government was still using floppies.
Speaker 1: Yes, they've got an electronic viagra, so they're getting rid
Speaker 1: of the flopping discs.
Speaker 3: It's like descended to primary s.
Speaker 1: Its fucking year eight all over again. Isn't it Friday morning?
Speaker 1: It's early yes, so at it's why were the China,
Speaker 1: sorry Japanese government using floppy discs anyway?
Speaker 2: Well, they just had computer systems that hadn't been updated.
Speaker 2: They were still using a lot of this old tech
Speaker 2: because it was working. You know, why fix what's not broken?
Speaker 2: I mean, it sounds absolutely absurd. I think the last
Speaker 2: floppy disks would have been used what twenty five years
Speaker 2: ago or something. I didn't know in terms of traditionally,
Speaker 2: but so it was. Japan has a pretty rigid culture.
Speaker 2: I mean, I really want to go to Japan. It's
Speaker 2: one of those bucket list countries that I'd love to
Speaker 2: go to. And so, yeah, there was some single environment
Speaker 2: systems where floppy disks were working and people were still
Speaker 2: using them in the government departments.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I feel like I interrupted you, Sorry, Patrick,
Speaker 1: were you going to say something? And in opening the
Speaker 1: door for Tiff, I then interrupted Patrick. Sorry Patrick, go on, Tiff.
Speaker 5: No, that was way back in the guide dog conversation,
Speaker 5: and all I was going to say is I missed
Speaker 5: hearing the whole reason they have six legs, because soon
Speaker 5: as the conversation started, I went and googled how to
Speaker 5: blind people pick up after their dog?
Speaker 4: So I missed the whole conversation.
Speaker 1: How do they Yeah, I'm interested, that's interesting. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure that they are trained not to kind of
Speaker 1: pooh in a certain spot and on command. I'm sure
Speaker 1: that there's a about one hundred people listening now who
Speaker 1: absolutely know the answer to this. What's the I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what this is not technology is it's it's pretty good,
Speaker 1: all right? Why while tists finding that out? You just
Speaker 1: keep plowing on, Patrick, I'll try. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know where to go from here.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 2: The we kind of mock the Japanese government for using
Speaker 2: floppy disks, but you know a lot of the medical
Speaker 2: profession still uses fax machines.
Speaker 1: When was the last time I used a fax machine, Craigo,
Speaker 1: Not for well personally, not for a long time. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I know some even in some medical centers now, they
Speaker 1: still they still use faxes and stuff. Because the other
Speaker 1: day I was at the dock and I saw a
Speaker 1: fax machine and a facts coming through. I'm like, am
Speaker 1: I in back to the future? Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know, the interesting thing is fax machines and facts
Speaker 2: transmissions can't be intercepted. If I wanted to safely send
Speaker 2: you a message, email is a bit precarious, So I
Speaker 2: guess if I said the facts, it might be a
Speaker 2: say way to send a message to you.
Speaker 3: Hadn't thought about that, because have I admitted this story
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 2: When I was working at a newsroom in Geelong as
Speaker 2: a young journalist, I used to get it was a
Speaker 2: guy by the name of Stuart MacArthur who was a
Speaker 2: local politician, and he used to on a Friday send
Speaker 2: a media release that was like twelve to twenty pages
Speaker 2: and wow, his faxes had rolls of fax paper and
Speaker 2: when the role ran out, that was it. So at
Speaker 2: the start of the weekend, we'd get it on Monday
Speaker 2: morning because we hadn't done news at the weekend, and
Speaker 2: suddenly all the facts had run out because it'd sent
Speaker 2: this twenty page fax the night before.
Speaker 1: Really annoying, and this happened.
Speaker 2: Quite regularly so and we didn't need all that information
Speaker 2: because it wasn't print.
Speaker 1: It was just a thirty second news story.
Speaker 2: So then one Friday I sent him back a fax,
Speaker 2: but what I wrote on it was I had a
Speaker 2: long sheet and I wrote, do not send long facts,
Speaker 2: and then I taped it to the other end. So
Speaker 2: it was a continuous loop. So when he got into
Speaker 2: his office on the Monday morning, it just had the same.
Speaker 1: A message on loop for his entire effects role. Sorry
Speaker 1: my god, did you ever get busted for that? No?
Speaker 3: That he didn't send long factors anymore.
Speaker 1: It worked. That's hilarious. Hey, I don't know why this
Speaker 1: is a weird departure, but in the middle of the
Speaker 1: night last night, I woke up and my mind was
Speaker 1: busy and I couldn't sleep, so I turned on the TV. Now,
Speaker 1: neither of you will know, probably, and neither do you
Speaker 1: need to know. A guy called Joe Walsh who's a
Speaker 1: musician and he was part of the Eagles. Anyway, I
Speaker 1: love Joe Walsh, and I love the Eagles because I'm
Speaker 1: super old. But I was listening to him talking about
Speaker 1: his music and he wrote a song patrick In I
Speaker 1: think it got published in twenty twelve called analog Man,
Speaker 1: and here are some of the lyrics. Welcome to cyberspace.
Speaker 1: I'm lost in the fog. Everything's digital. I'm still analog.
Speaker 1: When something goes wrong, I don't have a clue. Some
Speaker 1: ten year old smart ass tests has show me what
Speaker 1: to do. Sign on with high speed. You don't have
Speaker 1: to wait to sit there for days and vegetate. I
Speaker 1: access my email, read all my spam. I'm an analog man.
Speaker 1: The world's living in a digital dream. It's not really there.
Speaker 1: It's all on the screen makes me forget who I am.
Speaker 1: I'm an analog man. Yeah, I'm an analog man in
Speaker 1: a digital world. I'm going to get me an analog
Speaker 1: girl who loves me for what I am. I'm an
Speaker 1: analog man. That could have been written for me. That's
Speaker 1: fucking Joe Walsh, just fucking groundbreaking twelve years ago. That
Speaker 1: was That's good. I actually like it. They're great lyrics.
Speaker 3: Hey, you mentioned that your new car has a bone
Speaker 3: sterilizer in it.
Speaker 1: So it's got a what looks like a glove box,
Speaker 1: but it's skinny, so same in the same spot, but
Speaker 1: above the actual glove box. And I guess it's about
Speaker 1: as like a couple of inches deep, so not much
Speaker 1: like five centimeters, And you open the door or the
Speaker 1: whatever to that, and you put your phone in, you
Speaker 1: press a button and then it it sterilizes, I guess
Speaker 1: is the word. It sterilizes your phone. It kills all
Speaker 1: the germs that are on your phone, which I don't
Speaker 1: think anyone in the world was asking for that feature.
Speaker 2: But nonetheless, I beg to differ really different because the
Speaker 2: next little story that I did want to chat about
Speaker 2: is how your phone, your watch, and particularly the you know,
Speaker 2: the clip or the not the clip. The band on
Speaker 2: your watch is a breeding ground for E. Coli and
Speaker 2: staff bacteria. And how none of us really I mean,
Speaker 2: I've got to say I never cleaned the band of
Speaker 2: my watch and it's cloth, which is one.
Speaker 1: Of the worst things.
Speaker 2: So they say that were we should be cleaning our
Speaker 2: device is a lot more than we do.
Speaker 3: You know, you're pressing it up against your face.
Speaker 2: You know you've got on your body, and it makes
Speaker 2: more sense when you start to think of it.
Speaker 3: In those two you can sterilizing kits.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: The funny thing is every time I look at your
Speaker 2: window and I say zoom window, it looks like you're
Speaker 2: sitting in a sterilizing kit.
Speaker 1: That's deliberate because it's glowing. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, because
Speaker 1: it's got your car. Yeah, that's true. Well, speaking of
Speaker 1: things that are on your person, you've seen this bracelet
Speaker 1: that's been on my wrist for twenty nine years and
Speaker 1: never come off. It's very politically incorrectly called back in
Speaker 1: the day a slave bracelet. Oh right, and then and
Speaker 1: they put it on, they screw it on, and it's
Speaker 1: got the initials, my initials and my mate who passed away, Maddie.
Speaker 1: But that's been on my wrist for twenty nine years
Speaker 1: and never come off once ever. And I wonder when
Speaker 1: on in nine ninety five, I wonder, I wonder what's
Speaker 1: living under that? Wow?
Speaker 2: No, the interesting thing is copper is actually bacteria resistant.
Speaker 6: Some metals gold to thank You's the original bracelets, cop up,
Speaker 6: There were copper bracelets.
Speaker 2: They were used as a medium of exchange in West
Speaker 2: Africa as part of the slave trade.
Speaker 1: What has that got to do with my gold bracelet?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, okay. Well, I think the reason that
Speaker 1: they called it anyway is because it gets when you
Speaker 1: buy it, they put it on with a screwdriver. It
Speaker 1: gets screwed on. There's no clip or clasp. You can't
Speaker 1: take it off unless you you know, you have those tools.
Speaker 1: But anyway, nobody needed to know that. Oh. I think
Speaker 1: it's a lovely thing that you're still wearing that. I think, Well,
Speaker 1: it makes me think about him every day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you go to an airport, what happens when you.
Speaker 1: Get Yeah, that's interesting. A few times they've asked me
Speaker 1: to take it off and I say I can't take
Speaker 1: it off, and they're like, then I sometimes have to
Speaker 1: like put my arm through the thing before the rest
Speaker 1: of my body, or one place they taped it like
Speaker 1: they put like gaffer tape around my wrist and said,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, sure.
Speaker 5: That's not gonna Well, I don't know what a knife
Speaker 5: to your body and stroll on through?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, no, no, because I don't know. I actually
Speaker 1: don't understand what they think A round bracelet, I might
Speaker 1: what I might do with that on a plane, or
Speaker 1: maybe it's I don't know, maybe yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Who knows? Patrick, save us this.
Speaker 2: I thought this is kind of not a tech related
Speaker 2: story so much, but I thought it would be one
Speaker 2: that would interest you because you're a big advocate of exercise,
Speaker 2: and I know tiff is as well. Not only is
Speaker 2: it thought that exercise mitigates cognitive decline, but it also
Speaker 2: is linked to your gut microbia as well, so it
Speaker 2: can actually assist in lots of different ways. So, I mean,
Speaker 2: we know that cognitive decline is something that.
Speaker 1: A lot of people worry about as they get older.
Speaker 2: And you know, remember we had those brain games that
Speaker 2: you'd play on in Well, they realized that none of that.
Speaker 2: It does help a little bit, but physical exercise getting
Speaker 2: out their circulation include you know, is the best possible
Speaker 2: thing you can do for your brain health, is your
Speaker 2: overall body health and exercise. But it also can be
Speaker 2: linked to gut microbia. And I thought, wow, that's kind
Speaker 2: of interesting. So and people go through difficult times and
Speaker 2: I've got friends who have real problems with with digestion
Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff, So it may be
Speaker 2: that simple exercise rather than a sedentary lifestyle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, IM prove that Union of South Australia last year,
Speaker 1: I think it was in December twenty twenty three published
Speaker 1: a whole raft of research and findings around this, and
Speaker 1: you're exactly right. And they compared an exercise intervention against
Speaker 1: medical interventions, so anti axiotics and antidepressants. And this is
Speaker 1: not a direction or a recommendation anyone. Consult your consult
Speaker 1: your person or persons. But yeah, the exercise exercise alone
Speaker 1: created much better results. So I think it was like
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty percent, which seems a very convenient number,
Speaker 1: but yeah, much better results versus just medication. So just
Speaker 1: exercise versus just medication from that perspective. But even like
Speaker 1: we've had a lady on who was I don't know
Speaker 1: if she's any more Professor Ingrid, the head of psychiatry
Speaker 1: at Royal Adelaide Hospital, who's obviously a doctor and a
Speaker 1: psychiatrist and someone who exercises a lot, and for her
Speaker 1: medication even for people with mental health issues, is the
Speaker 1: last option like drugs that she tries, lifestyle, food, exercise, life,
Speaker 1: like trying to get people to change their own biochemistry
Speaker 1: and what's happening in their brain on a biochemical level
Speaker 1: with healthy interventions, because you know, any drug that you take,
Speaker 1: even if it works on one level, there are going
Speaker 1: to be there are going to be side effects somewhere between,
Speaker 1: you know, very minor and very major, so you know
Speaker 1: that's going to be factored in as well. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's no revelation to me. But you're exactly right, mate,
Speaker 1: and it's great, and I wish everybody. The problem is
Speaker 1: in inverted commas is that exercise is hard and popping
Speaker 1: a pill is easy.
Speaker 2: And another bit of research I read recently was that
Speaker 2: just walking forty minutes three times a week if you
Speaker 2: can't manage anything else, just doing a vigorous walk.
Speaker 3: But now you know more about this than I would.
Speaker 2: The hippocampus is directly the part of the brain that
Speaker 2: is engaged when we do more exercise. And now they're
Speaker 2: linking the hipper campus with what's happening in gut health.
Speaker 2: So that's the correlation, and what they're trying connection to
Speaker 2: is what's going on with you hippocampus.
Speaker 3: Can you explain more about that? I mean, what does
Speaker 3: actually happen?
Speaker 1: I mean, so like the gut is interestingly called the
Speaker 1: second brain now and the heart is called the third
Speaker 1: brain now a lot of people you know, but everything's
Speaker 1: interacting all the time. Like the gut microbiome that you
Speaker 1: were talking about is affected by everything from the food
Speaker 1: you eat to the sleep that you have to Like if,
Speaker 1: for example, you think a negative thought now which I've
Speaker 1: said this many times, but that produces cortisol and cortisole
Speaker 1: affects your gut microbiome. Like everything be the thought's mind
Speaker 1: as we call the mind, which is really a construct
Speaker 1: or the physical brain itself, or the nervous system, or
Speaker 1: the gut or the heart. You know, everything's intertwined all
Speaker 1: the time, mate, and that's the that's the beauty of
Speaker 1: this stuff. Is trying to like, research is important. I
Speaker 1: wrote a post about this the other day. And there's
Speaker 1: there's this term that gets thrown around a lot, and
Speaker 1: the term is evidence based. Right, so people come out
Speaker 1: all the time and go, oh, this is an evidence
Speaker 1: based protocol, or this is evidence based formula, or but often,
Speaker 1: like I would say, more often than not, it's either
Speaker 1: completely untrue or misleading. And so and I know I've
Speaker 1: diverged a little bit, but you know, learning to you know,
Speaker 1: pay it. Even with what we talk about, which is
Speaker 1: very informal and very casual, but even if we say
Speaker 1: something on here that might resonate with people, I always
Speaker 1: say to people, don't do something because we spoke about it.
Speaker 1: Do something. Maybe go and open the door and do
Speaker 1: some research for yourself and talk to somebody smarter than
Speaker 1: us three dickheads, and then maybe after that then try
Speaker 1: something or or oh, you know, if you want to
Speaker 1: do something really basic like an equals one, you're the
Speaker 1: researcher and the researched, just try something like Patrick said,
Speaker 1: you know, walking every day for thirty minutes, or and
Speaker 1: just see how you feel. You know, it's you don't
Speaker 1: need to go to a doctor for that, or you know,
Speaker 1: instead of having three meals a day have the same
Speaker 1: amount of calories, but in five meals and maybe your
Speaker 1: digestive issues will be, you know, diminished somewhat. Like I think,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of trial and error with all
Speaker 1: of this stuff.
Speaker 2: I have a little kind of mental policy that I do.
Speaker 2: I always take stairs when I can. Well, probably not
Speaker 2: in a thirty story building, but for the most part,
Speaker 2: if I can take the stairs, I always will. But
Speaker 2: then someone said to me, actually a tai Chi master
Speaker 2: who I met in China, who couldn't speak English, and
Speaker 2: we translated our entire day of conversations through phones. But
Speaker 2: he said to me, don't go downstairs because of the impact.
Speaker 2: So upstairs good downstairs, use an escalator or lift.
Speaker 1: So there you go. That's pretty true. I mean, we've
Speaker 1: got to go downstairs. But it's like you're way better
Speaker 1: off running up a hill for a range of reasons
Speaker 1: than running down a hill. Yep, yep, exactly. So that's
Speaker 1: what he said to me.
Speaker 2: And the other thing that I tell my Tishi students
Speaker 2: is when you're brushing your teeth.
Speaker 1: I don't know I've said this before, but when you're.
Speaker 2: Brushing your teeth, your two minute roughly routine, stand on
Speaker 2: one foot as you're brushing your tooth teeth, then change
Speaker 2: to the other foot halfway through. And it's just such
Speaker 2: a simple thing that's not going to impact in any way,
Speaker 2: doesn't take any extra efforts, but the.
Speaker 1: Ability for you.
Speaker 2: And I'm trying to think of the term that our
Speaker 2: brain uses to predict a fall. I can't think of
Speaker 2: the terminology, but it's the same. It's the same instinct
Speaker 2: that cats us to land.
Speaker 1: On all four feet. And you can improve.
Speaker 2: That, so our ability to be able to improve and
Speaker 2: work on our brain to get better at balance core stability.
Speaker 1: That also includes predicting.
Speaker 2: You know, when you have that sensation almost that you
Speaker 2: can get stumble and then you do what you need
Speaker 2: to stop yourself falling over.
Speaker 1: You can improve that.
Speaker 3: Part of the way to improve that is literally just
Speaker 3: to stand on one foot.
Speaker 2: So if you just stand on your foot every day
Speaker 2: while you're brushing your teeth or twice a day, and
Speaker 2: then alternate that, then it's something so so simple to do.
Speaker 1: You know what, I love that. I love that you
Speaker 1: say that because I'm weird. Right since I was a kid,
Speaker 1: I've always done weird shit. I've always gone like I
Speaker 1: remember being seven and going wonder how long I can
Speaker 1: hold my breath. I've spoken about this before. I wonder
Speaker 1: how long I can do it underwater? I wonder how
Speaker 1: you know, I used to just do all this shit,
Speaker 1: But even now, like I have this rule and here
Speaker 1: at home where I only walk up the stairs two
Speaker 1: at a time, yeah, me too, I do that as well.
Speaker 1: I only walk two at a time. And even if
Speaker 1: I'm carrying my dinner and shit up only two at
Speaker 1: a time. Another thing that I do not all the time,
Speaker 1: if I'm being honest, but probably half the time. When
Speaker 1: I put my shoes and socks on, I stand on
Speaker 1: one foot I put on. So my rule is, I've
Speaker 1: got to stand up. I don't sit down to put
Speaker 1: my shoes and socks on. I've got to stand up.
Speaker 1: I've got to lift one foot obviously off the ground,
Speaker 1: put the sock on, put the shoe on, and then
Speaker 1: do it on the other one. And it's like I
Speaker 1: used to. I started doing that a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and I'd fucking overbalance and fall, not fall, But you know,
Speaker 1: and now pretty much I never like it. And my
Speaker 1: stability and balance is way better than it was three
Speaker 1: years ago and I'm sixty so but that's just doing
Speaker 1: those And there's things like you know, It's like sometimes
Speaker 1: if I'm writing notes on the whiteboard, i'd write with
Speaker 1: my right hand and I'm left handed. And then if
Speaker 1: I do that, like sometimes I'll go, I'm only going
Speaker 1: to write on not when I'm doing my messages for
Speaker 1: social media, but just when I'm thinking out loud, which
Speaker 1: I do on the whiteboard a lot. I just use
Speaker 1: my right hand. And it's amazing how quickly you improve
Speaker 1: in a matter of days at doing something that's completely
Speaker 1: atypical for you. Brain plasticity, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: I think appropriate exception is the ability to predict a
Speaker 2: fall or to right yourself. But I kind of probably
Speaker 2: should have looked it up before I said it, but
Speaker 2: it occurred to me while we're talking, while you were talking.
Speaker 2: But you can rewrite your brain to be able to
Speaker 2: work in different ways, whether as you said, you know,
Speaker 2: I think it's great that you do the left hand
Speaker 2: right hand thing, but I was also quietly thinking, oh
Speaker 2: my god, we could be the same person because I
Speaker 2: stand on one foot to put my shoe on as well,
Speaker 2: and always tie my shoelacers one foot.
Speaker 1: We definitely should be married, so you get right out
Speaker 1: of the way, Tiff. Yeah, but it's that, you know.
Speaker 1: So there's a guy called Norman Deutsge without trying to
Speaker 1: sound like a geek, he wrote a book years ago
Speaker 1: called The Brain That Changes Itself, and he was he
Speaker 1: was one of the pioneers in this space. He opened
Speaker 1: the door because forever, until about forty years ago, we
Speaker 1: thought that the brain you talked about the hippocampus before,
Speaker 1: which is pretty much like the epicenter of learning and memory, right,
Speaker 1: and we'd go, ah, well, if you hip a campus
Speaker 1: as fuck, you won't remember anything anymore. But that's not
Speaker 1: true because the brain can adopt other roles and you
Speaker 1: can retrain the brain as you said, which is neural plasticity.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we used to go, well, this bit of
Speaker 1: the brain does that, and if that bit of the
Speaker 1: brain's broken, then you don't have that ability anymore. But yeah,
Speaker 1: we now know that that's not necessary. It will probably
Speaker 1: be impaired, but other brains can take over some of
Speaker 1: the function for one of a better term.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because there's now there's a lot of focus
Speaker 2: on teenagers using the internet and being addicted to their
Speaker 2: phones because of what is happening to their brains during adolescence.
Speaker 2: We know there's a great lot of formation going on
Speaker 2: in a teenage brain. So there's a real concern that
Speaker 2: the use of technology and internet could be impacting the
Speaker 2: way you know, juvenile development.
Speaker 1: And particularly adolescent development is progressing. And I think the.
Speaker 2: Jury's still out, but you know, playing games, using the internet,
Speaker 2: scrolling away all those things that we see teenagers doing.
Speaker 2: Everybody does, but saying it could actually be more damaging
Speaker 2: in an adolescent brain for the pure fact that that's
Speaker 2: where their brain is doing the most real developmental changes.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, sixty years ago, what was going to
Speaker 1: derail the world, what was going to destroy adolescence and
Speaker 1: the future, was Elvis Presley's hips. So you know, hey, mate,
Speaker 1: how can people find you and connect with you?
Speaker 2: Well, websites noow dot com, dot au or ti Chi
Speaker 2: at home. You know, we still haven't done our virtual
Speaker 2: tai Chi class Crago. I'm going to take you up
Speaker 2: on that one again. Can we please do a zoom call?
Speaker 1: You know what we should do. We should wait till
Speaker 1: you've got your bloody special studio built. Yeah, okay, you
Speaker 1: can come up I'll come up for the weekend. We'll
Speaker 1: boon on the couch and Tiff can make us dinner.
Speaker 1: That was a joke everyone. If I don't even be there,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't let her come. It's a man's weekend.
Speaker 5: I've already got the first DIBs on. We've already talked
Speaker 5: about yesterday. So you're you're second in line.
Speaker 3: Bro, We've already organized a date.
Speaker 4: Wife has come first.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, okay, thanks everyone, Thanks Thanks Steve.
Speaker 5: Thanks