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Speaker 1: Approche production.

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Speaker 2: These are things that obviously have molded you as a

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Speaker 2: guess from a perspective that most wouldn't or didn't you know,

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Speaker 2: how was that.

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Speaker 3: It was gonna I'd never really thought I was disabled

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Speaker 3: and so it was just different seeing my mom kind

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Speaker 3: of being happier, not gonna lie. Maybe then some of

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Speaker 3: my other friends going through you know, their mum and

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Speaker 2: Middle of it and stuff that whole domestic sort of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I kind of like was born into it,

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Speaker 3: so I didn't really understand it, so kind of like

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Speaker 3: would have like, you know, like my dad and my mom,

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Speaker 3: you know, at the time, they didn't have texts and stuff,

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Speaker 3: so it's just a email or they send letters or whatever,

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Speaker 3: and she'd just read them out to us like a

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Speaker 3: and like kind of basically my dad used to wait

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Speaker 3: because I didn't want to see him, because I didn't

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Speaker 2: Was that more from like when you say, writing letters

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Speaker 3: Back and forth from each other so that she'd send

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Speaker 3: a nasty one him and then she won't tell us

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Speaker 3: that one, but she'll tell me what he said.

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Speaker 1: So then your perception was fuck dad, Yeah, pretty much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mom, I love you sort of thing. I'm here

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Speaker 2: and you're my queen sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I pretty much never gave my sticket.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I never gave him a shot really, and I

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Speaker 3: didn't realize until I got older, and then I kind

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Speaker 3: I mean. And that's something I'm fixing as we speak

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Speaker 3: to is he's actually now my new manager and.

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Speaker 1: Get into that, we get it. That's that's interesting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a very long story.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, basically my mom and growing up, I never

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Speaker 3: realized that she was in a relationship with another woman,

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Speaker 3: and then then they broke up. They had that moment

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Speaker 3: oh good, you know, that just is what it is.

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Speaker 3: People have lives and things to do. And then yeah,

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Speaker 3: just pretty much just was me and my mom for

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Speaker 3: a very long time and ended up moving to my

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Speaker 3: dad's place because basically it started to get it was

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Speaker 3: a very mentally abusive household where it was a bit

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Speaker 3: more like just no peace. You could never find peace,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, You're always anxious.

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Speaker 1: It was just your mum. Do you have siblings with you?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was my older sister. Shout out to my

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Speaker 3: older sister too, and yeah, it was pretty much just

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Speaker 3: me and my sister against the world type of thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and then you know, mom, you know how moms are

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Speaker 3: everyone's you know, let's all be real, we're all big kids.

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Speaker 1: You lock up without one. So for me, it was

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Speaker 1: I guess the old ground. So to hear that I'm

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Speaker 2: But you talk about mending relationships, you know, I've spent

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Speaker 2: so I can relate exactly what you're saying there. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're speaking the big sister sort of taking on that role.

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Speaker 2: Was mum sort of sort of going a little bit

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Speaker 3: Was it just she was just how was it and

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Speaker 3: why would I be like the energy way would just

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Speaker 3: because I don't know that exact thing is I just

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Speaker 3: say a well sort of thing. Is that what Waywood meant?

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Speaker 2: Way would a sorry, okay, let me go back to

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Speaker 1: I think it was no more Ida.

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Speaker 3: So now I look back at it, I think there

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Speaker 3: these days, you know, people are a lot more aware

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so not knowing when and how to relase it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so since then this is you know, keep

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Speaker 3: And yeah, and some people don't get to see the

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Speaker 1: But I like that. That's a really good waye looking

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Speaker 2: I've never actually heard anybody put it in that perspective,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can relate, and I won't obviously publicly

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Speaker 1: You know, then all of a sudden. You never hear

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Speaker 2: And you know, there's certain people that I've had massive

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Speaker 2: I'm just not you know, I'm not cool enough and

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Speaker 2: I'm not like, I'm just not.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Other people say, you know he hasn't forgotten, Well, I

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Speaker 2: the utmost respect for what he's achieved and done, and

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Speaker 2: I think the world of him and great mate. Like

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Speaker 2: I said, I'm not going to say his name because

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Speaker 2: I think that that's just not respectful. But I'm being

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Speaker 2: very respectful in relation to what you're saying. With people's

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Speaker 3: And in respect to what you're saying, they're so so okay,

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Speaker 3: I just want to add to that. I'm just saying that, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: with people like that, I've got the same thing. You know,

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Speaker 3: the doubt of like maybe they have a lot more

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Speaker 3: And then when you know, you blow up and ship

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Speaker 1: That's a solid point. All I'm trying to.

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Speaker 3: Say is that maybe just he will never forget what

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Speaker 3: ego death, because there's an ego death that comes with fame,

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Speaker 3: that's what I mean. So I think like I've already

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Speaker 2: I thank you for that actually, because you know, like

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Speaker 2: I'd love to sit down and shot a tequila with him,

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Speaker 2: and I just want to you know, like for me,

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Speaker 2: it'd be more like congratulation and yeah, proud of you

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Speaker 3: And when I say this too, also if he has

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Speaker 3: when you rise this, you know you've got to fall

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Speaker 3: and that's that's when you really you know. All I'll

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Speaker 3: say is that, like you get three strikes in my

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Speaker 3: world and it's like, yeah, yeah, you fuck out once.

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Speaker 3: That's cool, man, but like, yeah, you gotta honest. I

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Speaker 3: feel like, you know, to say, if he fell off

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Speaker 3: David Beckham. Everyone it's a roller coaster. People only see

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Speaker 3: you at the top and go on to be like him,

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Speaker 3: But they didn't see when he missed that goal.

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Speaker 1: When he missed that and I've seen that. I've seen that.

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Speaker 1: I've just watched that recently.

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Speaker 3: So so when when maybe you want that conversation, and

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Speaker 3: that I find with a selfless living is like, look,

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Speaker 3: maybe we can sort this out and we can you know,

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Speaker 3: also too coming to terms with maybe they've changed and

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Speaker 3: maybe they're not gonna be again, And that's that's just

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Speaker 3: goes to show for me, it's not them personally, it's

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Speaker 3: how they grew up and how their parents taught them

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Speaker 3: to respect people that give them support. And yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: why I'm a very fucking loving and caring person because

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Speaker 3: And yeah, so it's kind of if you have a

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Speaker 1: Like that American now a TV show you'd watch years ago,

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Speaker 3: And that's one thing I know, people be like, wow,

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Speaker 1: Let them tell the story.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let they know how far I've come, and they

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Speaker 3: And I think, like regarding what you're saying, they're people

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Speaker 3: And it's like sometimes I get into like little you know,

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