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Speaker 1: A good a team. You're bloody champions. Welcome to another

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Speaker 1: installment of the Project About You. I've got two amazing

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Speaker 1: women on my screen, Tiffany and Cook over there at

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Speaker 1: typ Central, the life force, the blood that flows through

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Speaker 1: the typ veins, the heartbeat of the organization. And Kate.

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Speaker 2: What's your middle name, Kate Patricia?

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Speaker 1: I think you've told me that before, Kate Patricia said,

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Speaker 1: we'll start off with the boss, Tiffany and Cook.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Cookie, how are you good morning? I'm very good.

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Speaker 2: I was just telling Kate how much I'm loving the

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Speaker 2: sunshine now.

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Speaker 1: Oh, the sun is shining. The birds are fucking chirping,

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Speaker 1: and the bees are buzzing. And when I talk to

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Speaker 1: Mary Harper every day, she's like, oh, it's a good

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Speaker 1: day up here.

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Speaker 2: It's warm.

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Speaker 1: I tell you what, bloody. Oh shed My bones were

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Speaker 1: freezing the other day. You know my bones. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: were they Mary?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was bloody. You know. I had gloves and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, God, bless her a little angel. But yes,

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Speaker 1: it is. It's going to be like we're recording this

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday the sixth. It's going to be like forty

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Speaker 2: Wow, it's not gonna be killing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I'm keeping my little skin cancer prone

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Speaker 1: a fucking deep jungle surveillance mission. No, I realize that sometimes,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you walk across the road, you see

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Speaker 1: yourself in the window of a shop, I think, fuck,

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Speaker 1: I look I either look like the worst homeless person

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Speaker 1: because nothing to my shit matches no disrespect timeless people,

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Speaker 1: or I look like some kind of criminal, or like,

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Speaker 1: I look terrifying. So then I so then what I

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Speaker 1: do is to counteract the terror, I smile at people.

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Speaker 1: That makes it worse. They're like, oh my god, the

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Speaker 1: a little bit conflicted. If either of you have got

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Speaker 2: It's a motorbike that really takes it up the next

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Speaker 1: Well. The motorbike is yeah, well, when I'm just talking

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Speaker 1: shout out to the RTA. And if I ride through

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Speaker 1: lane splitting. It's fair to say it sounds like there's

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Speaker 1: But what's funny, Kate, We'll shut up. I'll shut up

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Speaker 1: after this is depending on which motorbike come on. If

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Speaker 1: just had a quick adjustment everyone. But anyway, depending on

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize how much fun motorbikes were. My girlfriend's

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Speaker 2: you've stopped circulation to my lower body. Can you stop

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Speaker 2: squeezing me? Because I didn't want to grab her and

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Speaker 1: That's so funny. Well, you know, Tiffany Ankle has got

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Speaker 2: No, Okay, terrifying, join the crew. It's the betest fun.

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Speaker 2: It was a massive I was like, people do this

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting about And like I'd hate to

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Speaker 1: They're like, pull over, Piliver, pilover, And we weren't doing anything,

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Speaker 2: But it's so funny that it's like a roller coaster.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that individual psychological and emotional response to the

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Speaker 2: It's unpredictable. I think that's a scary bit for me,

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Speaker 2: out with my own parachute, not with people with me,

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Speaker 2: and had to pull my own parachute. But I was

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Speaker 1: Well, I think firstly, it's hilarious that you think you're

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Speaker 1: That's hilarious, you know, if you were exactly, But you're

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm quite particular about who

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Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, yeah, the motorbike. I was like, I remember this,

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Speaker 1: said that, um, you should have fiber with every meal,

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Speaker 1: Like every time you have protein, you should have fiber.

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Speaker 1: Whereas I will often have just something which is like

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Speaker 1: sugar in the peanut sauce maybe, but essentially just protein.

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Speaker 1: Most meals I would have both protein and carbs and fat.

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on fiber?

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Speaker 2: So your human body is outnumbered by bacterial cells one

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Speaker 2: point three to one when you are eating your protein

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Speaker 2: carbohydrating quickly processed foods, which is not in that meal

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Speaker 2: the proteins you know, slowly digesting food, but your gut.

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Speaker 2: Bacteria only eat fiber, so when you eat, you need

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Speaker 2: only feast on the things you don't digest. So you

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Speaker 2: feed feed the trillions of bacteria in your body. And

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Speaker 2: actually keep us alive, so we don't have them we die.

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Speaker 1: Are you saying I've got more bacterial cells than krag

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? And in terms of DNA, you have like one

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Speaker 2: hundred times or I can't remember the number, but many,

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Speaker 2: many multiples more DNA bacterial DNA. I think your human

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Speaker 2: rest of your body would be bacterial DNA, so you

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Speaker 2: literally are your bacteria. So what's the role of bacteria.

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Speaker 2: It must have a functional symbiotic relationship, so that bacteria

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Speaker 2: talks to our brain. So the gut brain connection that

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Speaker 2: chained fatty acids. So short chained fatty acids can help

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Speaker 2: us with suppressing appetite, but they also reduce information. So

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Speaker 2: buerrate can help reduce information in the body. It can

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Speaker 2: reduce cancers. Basically, the gut microbiome and all the viruses,

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Speaker 2: all the things that are part of that. Now is

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Speaker 2: the thing we didn't know about. That is the everything now.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's the abyss. If anyone says they know

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Speaker 2: everything about it, we don't know anything really in comparison

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Speaker 2: learning about that's more important than we thought. It was.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to know. One day, I thought, oh,

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Speaker 2: my knees catching. I don't have sore knees. I run

433
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: a lot of the time, and I thought, I want

434
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Speaker 2: to have an MRI on my knees. Like why not, Well,

435
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 2: you don't need it. It doesn't matter if I need

436
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 2: it or not. I want to know. So I went

437
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 2: and had that done. Guess what stage four cartilage damage

438
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 2: and Baker's cysts and pteleomel tracking. And the clinician that

439
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 2: read my report went, if I just read the report

440
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: without seeing you sitting in front of me, I would

441
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 2: think you couldn't get out of a chair right now.

442
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: Wow.

443
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Speaker 2: Oh, and the start of osteoarthritis. And I was like,

444
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 2: I knew it. I got my rheumatoid factor tested a

445
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, and it's supposed to be un

446
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 2: to ten or something like that, and it was like seventeen.

447
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 2: They're like that's normal. I'm like, no, why is that

448
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 2: above this range? And then I got it tested again

449
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 2: and it was forty something, tested again fifty something. I'm like,

450
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: something is going on in my body, and I want

451
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 2: to know what it is because if there's something I

452
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 2: can do about it, I want to stop it. And

453
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: this for some people would cause fear or anxiety or

454
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 2: whatever else and they don't want to know and they

455
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 2: don't want to have testing. I get that, but my

456
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: mom died of no known cause, and I don't want

457
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 2: to leave my kids behind without knowing there was something

458
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 2: maybe I could have done, like autopsies, coronics reports no

459
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: known cause after three months of testing. If there's something

460
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 2: that's going to happen, I'd rather know and go. You

461
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: know what, guys, we're not going to work tomorrow. Are

462
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: we going to live it up and have our best life? Well,

463
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 2: live it up every day, but why not know where

464
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: your health is at? And I'm annoyed that I'm stage

465
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 2: four cartilage damage with no pain, no effects or anything

466
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: like that. If there's something I could have done differently

467
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: to prevent that, And that's just the start of all

468
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: these things. I mean, gut microbome testing. So as I

469
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 2: was saying, if anyone's out there wanting to know is

470
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 2: do they have healthy poo and what can you do

471
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: about it? I had my first test done in twenty

472
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Speaker 2: two and I had really poor gut microbiome health. I

473
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 2: was under fifty percent, you know, one hundred percent obviously

474
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: the best, and I thought, as a dietitian, how do

475
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: I have poor gut health. I then changed what I

476
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: was doing and I got to ninety five percent, so

477
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 2: really really good by knowing what was going on and

478
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Speaker 2: being able to do something about it.

479
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 4: Okay, hang on, so what were you having and doing

480
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 4: at when you were fifty percent and what did you

481
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 4: change and how did you get to ninety five percent.

482
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: I don't think I was actually having enough fiber. I'm

483
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: aware of fiber, and I eat fiber, and I ate

484
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 2: fruit and veggies, but I wasn't having it at every meal,

485
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: and I probably wasn't having a lot of it during

486
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Speaker 2: the day. So fiber was my number one thing, and

487
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 2: I am a bit of a low carbeat it too,

488
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 2: So I just made sure even if I had a

489
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: protein like a yogurt or a custard or anything like that,

490
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 2: I just loaded it up with some alisa or flax

491
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,239
Speaker 2: seed meal or some chea seeds, put some fruit in it,

492
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 2: like added more carbs, but fiber rich carbs to my

493
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 2: diet every single day. And you know in a salad

494
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: like put a bit of sour kraut fore your gut

495
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: microbiome and fermented foods, put olives in anything that's going

496
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: to add good bacteria, or you know, functional foods that

497
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: have got probiotics in them, or even a probiotics which

498
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: are the fibrous things that feed that bacteria. So literally,

499
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Speaker 2: in a year, I went from being below fifty percent

500
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Speaker 2: to ninety five percent. Had it checked a year later,

501
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 2: it's still ninety five percent. But if I didn't, no,

502
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: I would have thought I was doing doing pretty good.

503
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so interesting. So here's my working theory on

504
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: why people don't get testing done in no particular order.

505
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Speaker 1: One it can be expensive. I don't think that's the

506
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Speaker 1: main reason. Two ignorance, I don't think that's the main reason,

507
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: but I think they're both factors. Three fear. I think

508
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: people generally, when it comes to their health, they are

509
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: more emotion emotionally driven than critically thinking about where they are,

510
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: what's going on, what's working, what's not working. What's my

511
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: body telling me, what's the bio feedback telling me? You know,

512
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Speaker 1: I think we should all myself included, I should probably

513
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: do more. But yeah, I think the fact that we

514
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: are scared of what the test is going to say.

515
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Speaker 1: On a really funny, much lower level of this, I

516
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: reckon twenty percent of my clients, for thirty percent of

517
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Speaker 1: my clients over the years when my job was personal

518
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: training and we would do I would do body composition

519
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: testing on people, and we would weigh them, and of

520
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: course we realize the limitations of taking someone's weight, and

521
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: we get all of that, but at the same time

522
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: it's a factor. But at least twenty maybe thirty percent

523
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Speaker 1: of my clients would not want to know what they weighed,

524
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Speaker 1: and they would get severe anxiety about having to stand

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Speaker 1: on scales. And I would say, there are a lot

526
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Speaker 1: of variables and a lot of determinants and factors. This

527
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: is one. It's not a big deal. I'm just doing

528
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Speaker 1: it because I just want to track some data and

529
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: see what's going on. Same with your body compositions, same

530
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Speaker 1: with your blood pressure, same with your upper and lower

531
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Speaker 1: body strength, Same with your votwo max or submax. You know,

532
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: it's all just testing that we're doing right. But so

533
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: many people would be so scared of finding out the

534
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: truth they would rather like live in La la land.

535
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: Then go oh shit, Well I'm pre diabetic, so I'm

536
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: going to make some decisions, do some things, and implement

537
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: some changes which will take me out of that hopefully.

538
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: But I just think for a lot of people it's

539
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Speaker 1: just fear and anxiety. And I think in general, when

540
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: it comes to managing our body and even managing our food,

541
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: we're more emotional than we are logical.

542
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: You're so right. And the heart thing I guess though,

543
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: is someone who has pre diabetes has the start of

544
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: heart disease, whether they want to acknowledge that or not.

545
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: So that means right now you are choosing how long

546
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: you want to live, because if your heart gives up,

547
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: it's all over. So that decision of changing the diet

548
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: or exercising or not doing it. Once you have pre diabetes,

549
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: you're actually making decisions about heart disease, and you're making

550
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: decisions about dementia and Alzheimer's. Do you want to forget

551
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: your own children's name because already linked diabetes or they

552
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: call type three diabetes? Elseimon demension. So I think if

553
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: you don't know, then you can put your head in

554
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: the sand. But you need to take responsibility for your

555
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: own health because it's nobody else's problem. It's actually your problem.

556
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: And I find it quite selfish when people don't want

557
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: to know, and they're a part of a family and

558
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: we all have responsibility in a family, but they're not

559
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: taking responsibility for their own health. Nobody else can change

560
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: their decisions or clean up their health, and they're the

561
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: one who's going to be the burden, you know what

562
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: I mean. Like if you say to your partner, are

563
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: you happy to push me around in a wheelchair because

564
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: I'm going to lose my legs because I'm going to

565
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: ignore my diabetes, you know what I mean? Or you're

566
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 2: going to nurse me because of my heart condition because

567
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: I'm not going to have a test on my heart

568
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: because I think I don't have good heart health. I

569
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: think you know, we're pass that time where it should

570
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 2: be a surprise. The testing is available, the treatments are available,

571
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: we know what we need to be doing. You should

572
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: know where you're at because then you know how severe

573
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: that decision is. The way to that decision, should you

574
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: be so stressed at work, eat crap, work long hours.

575
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: If you're on the verge of a heart attack, if

576
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: you knew on the verge of a heart attack, would

577
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: you choose to have the heart attack or would you

578
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: choose to maybe go for a walk at lunch and

579
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: pick up a salad instead of eating the pie downstairs.

580
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, everything you're saying I agree with, and

581
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,959
Speaker 1: it's true. But the other swing of the pendulum is,

582
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: like I said, people are very emotional and defensive, and

583
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: that it's hard to talk to people who don't want

584
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: to be spoken to about it. And so you know,

585
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: it's like I've had hard conversations with friends that I

586
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 1: love that have literally been reducing their lifespan at an

587
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 1: accelerated rate through their behavior, through their choices and behavior

588
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: and lifestyle. And what I generally do is I go,

589
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to do this once and a few of

590
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: them I've said too, I want to have a talk

591
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: with you just because I love you. You might not

592
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: want to talk to me after this, that's okay. But

593
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 1: here's what I want to tell you. I'm not picking

594
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: on you. It's not my intention anyway. I'm not picking

595
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: on you. I'm not criticizing you. I want you to

596
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: live a long and healthy and functional and happy life,

597
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: and I have knowledge and understanding and experience that can help.

598
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: So that's where I'm coming from. And then I tell

599
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: them and sometimes it's well received and sometimes not, and

600
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: sometimes they operationalize it and sometimes not. But it is

601
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: difficult because like most people, I don't think like Kate Save.

602
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: They don't and that's okay. And most people don't think

603
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: like Tif Cook or Craig Harper, and we're not better

604
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: than anyone else, but you know, the only person who

605
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: thinks like me completely is me, And so we look

606
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: through like I look through my lens at someone else's

607
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: behavior and I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?

608
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: But to them it's totally normal. So this is the challenge.

609
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: Is like, even with conversations and messaging like this, we

610
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: might be clinically and medically and scientifically right in inverted commas,

611
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: but I guarantee you someone's listening to this right now

612
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: getting pissed off at you. Right I guarantee you that

613
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: someone right now hearing this is a bit fucked off

614
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: because you don't fucking understand Kate Save. And it's all

615
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: right for you, you're fucking skinny, blonde, blah blah blah. Right,

616
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: that's that's true. That's true. And I understand them, and

617
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: I understand that. And this is why all of this

618
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: stuff is so fucking complicated. And on a level it's

619
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: simple theoretically, it's simple. Practically, in the real world, away

620
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: from the theory, it's anything but simple, so fucking complicated, absolutely.

621
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Speaker 2: And I David, who's got Advara Hartcare. He's a cardiologist

622
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: friend of mine, huge cardiology practice, And the way he

623
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 2: presented it to me was he decided that he was

624
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: sick of only meeting people after the event. And they,

625
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 2: every single one of them, none of them said I

626
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: wish this happened to me. They all said I wish

627
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: there was something I could have done. I wish I

628
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: knew right, And he's like, his whole practice is built

629
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: on preventative health. Now he goes, I want to be

630
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: meeting you before you've fallen off the cliff. I don't

631
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: want to be cleaning up your messy body at the bob,

632
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 2: so come and see me before that. And I think

633
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: this is where this episode felt so important. At the

634
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: start of the year, people are probably less angry at

635
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 2: me right now. If I'm telling them to go and

636
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 2: have a freakin' of free heart check, get David on

637
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: your show. He will offer everyone a free heart check.

638
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:24,479
Speaker 2: I guarantee it. And that is the most important thing

639
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: that anybody that you care about should do, because the

640
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: last thing you want to be doing, and you've had

641
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: to resuscitate a friend, is you know, lose someone that

642
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: you love for something that is completely preventable. And this

643
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: came to my mind well when I booked to do

644
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: this podcast with you, because a colleague at worked with

645
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Speaker 2: me said her and her husband just went to the

646
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Speaker 2: GPGP was doing the wife's pressure and the husband said,

647
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 2: do mine too, got he's checked. It was so high

648
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: and then the doctor booked him in an ambulance. They

649
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 2: took him to hospital. He had no symptoms. Had a

650
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 2: triple cardiac bypath five weeks ago. Baho symptoms. We shouldn't

651
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Speaker 2: be here in forties forties.

652
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Speaker 1: Wow, you know.

653
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Speaker 2: And the interesting thing is sometimes the first symptom is death. Yeah,

654
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Speaker 2: and males in their forties is the most common time

655
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Speaker 2: for that. Under fifty for that early death. I'm not

656
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Speaker 2: the expert here, but very happy to put you on

657
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Speaker 2: to David. I know, you know lots of cardiologists, but

658
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Speaker 2: I think he's specifically about prevention. Is sick of seeing

659
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Speaker 2: them when it's too late, because there were a million

660
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 2: things you could do.

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Speaker 1: All right, So let's let's now kind of move towards

662
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Speaker 1: a potential solution of sorts. So if somebody's like, okay,

663
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Speaker 1: this makes sense, I'm a little bit scared. I'm a

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Speaker 1: bit nervous. Firstly, we got you, we get it, we

665
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Speaker 1: get it. It took me quite a while to do

666
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Speaker 1: the protest and send it off. It was a bit

667
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Speaker 1: fuck nervous, right, quite a while to do the prostate

668
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Speaker 1: fuck all that. I'm like, oh, for sure, I've gone

669
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Speaker 1: this and I've got that. I was sick about four

670
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Speaker 1: or five months ago, tiff nos because I for about

671
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Speaker 1: six months I was I had fucking zero energy, and

672
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Speaker 1: I was just pretending I had energy, and I had

673
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Speaker 1: all of these myriad of symptoms, and yeah, I'm a

674
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Speaker 1: big baby, so I put off. I'm like, oh, fucking

675
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Speaker 1: jog it out. It's just this. It wasn't and I

676
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: knew it wasn't. But anyway, it turns out I had

677
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Speaker 1: a an infection that had just been fucking me up

678
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Speaker 1: for a long time, but even even me in inverted

679
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Speaker 1: commas like you know. But okay, so somebody's thinking about

680
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: all right, I want to start to turn this ship

681
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Speaker 1: around in the right direction. I don't want to reinvent

682
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Speaker 1: myself by tomorrow. I don't want to make a hundred

683
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Speaker 1: changes that I will not sustain. What's a good stepping off?

684
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Speaker 1: And of course, remember everyone, there's no you know, there's

685
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Speaker 1: no universal plan that works the same for everybody.

686
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Speaker 2: But where should we think about starting k Go and

687
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 2: speak to your GP. Say this year is the year

688
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: that I want to learn about my health and I

689
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Speaker 2: want to improve my health. Give me a full test

690
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: for everything. I want everything. I want all my bloods done.

691
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 2: I want to you know, give it. Refer me to

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Speaker 2: someone to do a heart care check for me, Refer

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Speaker 2: me for diabetes check. What else can I have done?

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Speaker 2: And if there's anything that you felt change in your body,

695
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 2: If things change in your body, there is something wrong

696
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: that is a symptom. You need to speak about these

697
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Speaker 2: changes in your body because people will always say, oh, yeah,

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00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: about six months ago, I did notice this lump or

699
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: this and that, but they never did anything about it.

700
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Speaker 2: And I did that with the melanoma. I noticed a

701
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Speaker 2: freckle that I took a photo of and in an app.

702
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 2: And this is like many years ago, and the app

703
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Speaker 2: said high risk. I did nothing about it, and it

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00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: gave me a weekly alert for fifty two weeks, and

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00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: still like I stopped paying for the app. And then

706
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Speaker 2: I went to the skin cancer place and I went,

707
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Speaker 2: this stupid app thinks I've got a high risk thing.

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Speaker 2: Can someone look at it? They looked at it and

709
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Speaker 2: said we're going to biopsy it. I had two kids

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Speaker 2: with me that were supposed to be going to swimming lessons.

711
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: I said, I'm going to have to come back at

712
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Speaker 2: six o'clock and they biopsied it. A week later, I

713
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Speaker 2: found out it was a melanoma, but it was only

714
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Speaker 2: stage one, thank Kevin's. So I just think, if something

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Speaker 2: changes in your body, no matter what it is my

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Speaker 2: miggling knee stage four cart vilage damage, I had a

717
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Speaker 2: change in my mental health. I felt less resilient and

718
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Speaker 2: it's happened to me twice. And what I mean by

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Speaker 2: that is I felt like in the past, if someone

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Speaker 2: fought me over something or told me I wasn't good

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Speaker 2: enough for this or that, I would do it anyway,

722
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Speaker 2: and I was losing the will to fight back. And

723
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Speaker 2: when had a blood test, I've twice had clinical zinc deficiency,

724
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Speaker 2: which severely deteriorates your brain functioning and your mental health.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, wow, And that's the thing about and a zinc.

726
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Speaker 2: I popped a pill and I was better. No one

727
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Speaker 2: can hurt me.

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Speaker 1: Fuck, that's amazing. I wonder what my zinc is. That's interesting.

729
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Speaker 2: Zinc is a really interesting one for men because you

730
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Speaker 2: need it for testosterone and if you testosterone levels, let's

731
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Speaker 2: talk about hormones. Females get their hormones checked. Males should

732
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Speaker 2: be getting their hormones checked too. And if you don't

733
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Speaker 2: have enough zinc, then you won't make good testosterone. If

734
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Speaker 2: you don't have good testosterone, you won't build muscle well,

735
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Speaker 2: and your moods won't be stable and all those sorts

736
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Speaker 2: of things. So men need to have hormone tests too.

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Speaker 1: Now this is not for anyone except me, So don't

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Speaker 1: pay any attention to what Kate says to me. Now, everyone, Okay,

739
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Speaker 1: fingers in your ears, don't listen. How much zinc should

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Speaker 1: I take each day?

741
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Speaker 2: Kate? You should test before you take zinc so don't

742
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Speaker 2: start supplements without finding out what your levels are first.

743
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Speaker 1: What's a typical dose? Let me ask a better question,

744
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: like if you.

745
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Speaker 2: Were taking a multi vitamin, it will have zinc in it.

746
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Speaker 2: In small amounts. It might give you fifty percent of

747
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Speaker 2: your recommended dietary intake or twenty five percent of your

748
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: recommended dietary intake. It's pretty low, but if you have

749
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Speaker 2: clinical zinc deficiency, you need really high levels to top

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Speaker 2: you up. But you do not want to take higher

751
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 2: levels if you're not low, because it will stop the

752
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: absorption of other nutrients. Minerals all clash with each other

753
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 2: in the body, So if you start supplementing something without

754
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: counteracting it, you'll end up with another deficiency that use

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Speaker 2: cause by taking the wrong thing. So get check first.

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Speaker 2: Find out where you're at. Food wire, zinc is really

757
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 2: high in oysters, That's why they say they're good for

758
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 2: libido and whatever else. It's hie in nuts and seeds,

759
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: certain nuts and seeds. It's in meat, it's in eggs,

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Speaker 2: it's in most animal based products. It is nuts and

761
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Speaker 2: seeds which are plant based as well. But how well

762
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Speaker 2: do you absorb it? So you need good levels of

763
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 2: hydrochloric acid it gets you know, it depends on how

764
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Speaker 2: your gut functions and what your acid levels are like

765
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Speaker 2: in your gut, and genetically genetically, because I've had all

766
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Speaker 2: my genetic tests done as well. I don't absorb bever

767
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Speaker 2: vitamin as well. I don't methylate vitamins, So if I

768
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Speaker 2: take FOLL eight or bet well, it needs to be

769
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Speaker 2: methylated folate or bet well otherwise it's poisoned. So thirty

770
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Speaker 2: percent of people have the mt hfr gene, which means

771
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Speaker 2: they can't process synthetic folate, which means it's poisonous to them.

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Speaker 2: And it's in all of our fortified breads and cereals

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Speaker 2: as well, So you'd want to know if you've got

774
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Speaker 2: that gene because you shouldn't be taking that type of vitamin.

775
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: Your regular multi vitamin won't be methylated and it won't

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Speaker 2: work for you. It actually build up in your system.

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Speaker 2: So happy blood tests done before you start supplementing and

778
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Speaker 2: have them interpreted by someone who knows what they're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Wow, well they we're all fucking terrified because of us.

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Speaker 2: Can't I can plate foll eate and B twelve And

781
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: this is particularly an issue for people that are supplementing

782
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 2: fall late because they're trying to get pregnant. Find out

783
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 2: if you need methylated full late.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

785
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: Once you start googling this, it's everywhere. Anyone who's ever

786
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: looked it up will know it inside out because once

787
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Speaker 2: you see it, you can't unsee it.

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Speaker 1: Well, Tiff might be having the first typ baby in

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Speaker 1: the next year or so, So Tiff, you take that

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00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: on board. Did you know Tif's got a boy on

791
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: the go? No, like it like an actual grown up.

792
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 2: No, hopefully he's got plenty of zinc.

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00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, lets plenty of lettin the metaphoric pencil. All right,

794
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: stop it, stop every show. I just get her just

795
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: with a zinger, just a thirty second zinger.

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00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: Kate, tell people how they can.

797
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: Ah, tell people how they can connect with you and

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00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: find you and follow you.

799
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 2: They can find me on Instagram, Kate say, if they

800
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: can find me on LinkedIn and then beef it through

801
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: Australia as well.

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00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: Perfect, Thanks Tiff. Any questions or additions or subtractions.

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00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: No questions here, No questions you, thank you, sir.

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00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: To see nothing to see over here except she would

805
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: like to delete the last comment and she's editing it.

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00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: So you may well not hear it. If you hear this,

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00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: just know that I said something fucking hilarious about sixty

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Speaker 1: seconds ago. Thanks everyone, Bye,