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Speaker 1: Approche production.

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Speaker 2: On the night of Thursday, the twenty ninth of May

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, Scott Hayden's world and his family's world

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Speaker 2: tipped off his axis. Scott was forty six, a fitter

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Speaker 2: and turner by trade, a youth worker, a museo, and

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Speaker 2: a deeply loved son, brother and uncle. He was living

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Speaker 2: In the weeks leading up to that night, Scott's behavior

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Speaker 2: had started to shift. He was talking more about God,

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Speaker 2: eating clean, training hard, and struggling with his mental health.

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Speaker 2: His families did what most families do. They worried, they watched,

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Speaker 2: and when things got worse, they went to police. More

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Speaker 2: than once. Days later, Scott's bright gold car would be

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Speaker 2: found abandoned. His wallet, key, shoes, and food were still inside,

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Speaker 2: but Scott was gone. In this episode of The Missing Matter,

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Speaker 2: Jeanette bravely shares her story in the hope that someone

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Speaker 3: Welcome back everybody to the Missing Matter podcast. Today's episode

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Speaker 3: is about a gentleman. His name is Scott. It was

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Speaker 3: Thursday of the twenty ninth of May twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: when the Hayden Families world was beginning to turn upside

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Speaker 3: of the missing. Today, I am joined by Scott's mum, Jeanette,

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Speaker 3: who bravely is here to help share some light on

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Speaker 3: what happened back in May this year and what we

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Speaker 3: Jeanette and Collins's only son and brother to three sisters.

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Speaker 3: Scott had just celebrated his forty six birthday nine days earlier.

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Speaker 3: He has devastatingly now been missing for two hundred and

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Speaker 3: fifty days. Welcome to the Missing Matter, Jeannette.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, and I appreciate your time. I really do. So.

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Speaker 3: We've only just met today and we've spoken only once

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Speaker 1: I saw Marilyn, who one of your daughters.

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Speaker 3: Was doing some great work actually on Facebook and having

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Speaker 3: we wrap the season. So this is an extra extra

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Speaker 3: episode we hadn't planned for but I wanted to jump

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Speaker 3: My voice, I'm losing it because I've been talking to

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Speaker 3: But if we can start with you telling us a

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Speaker 3: little bit of background, Jenett, can you share a little

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Speaker 1: And what he was like as a young boy.

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Speaker 4: Scott was just a normal, a durable child. Sorry, I'm

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Speaker 4: just it's so hard to do.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, you just take your time.

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Speaker 4: He was very shy actually, but yeah. When he started school,

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Speaker 4: He used to ride the motorbike with his dad up

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Speaker 3: I can empathize with you because my brother led a

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Speaker 4: It impacted us greatly actually, because my husband and I

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Speaker 3: And you know what, you were just being the best

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Speaker 3: So, I think you did what was right for you

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Speaker 3: to September twenty twenty four, Scott had spent some time

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Speaker 3: And so this is all happening around that September twenty

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Speaker 3: Forward now to and I know this is distressing because

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Speaker 4: Unbelief, Really, we couldn't believe that. I mean I always

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Speaker 4: They put it down to a domestic violence event the

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Speaker 4: Yes, we sort of said, well, aren't you concerned a

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Speaker 4: No action was taken. I'm all concerned about coming at

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Speaker 1: Oh, they took his God.

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Speaker 4: At night, he's only just gotten back.

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Speaker 3: I know it's stressful to take you back to Saturday,

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Speaker 4: We were very surprised, actually, But on that Thursday night

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Speaker 3: So the police then told you that they'd found Scott's

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Speaker 4: So he passed this farmer driving a bit of radically,

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Speaker 4: Yes, they do. They won't give it back.

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Speaker 4: They just said to us that they needed to keep

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Speaker 4: No, he'd left his phone at home. My daughter have

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Speaker 3: So Scott's footprints were found along the creek bed and

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Speaker 4: It was actually found by the Prime TV journalists who

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Speaker 1: He went for a drive.

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Speaker 3: He was an elderly gentleman, early stages of dementia and

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Speaker 3: down the number plate and taking down some photos, not

433
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 3: necessarily going up to the car and touching the car,

434
00:24:43,561 --> 00:24:46,561
Speaker 3: because we don't want to damage any evidence or create

435
00:24:46,561 --> 00:24:50,561
Speaker 3: any problems for investigators if they are investigating. But you know,

436
00:24:50,721 --> 00:24:52,761
Speaker 3: just taking notes of those sorts of things is a

437
00:24:52,801 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 3: really important part of it. And I have certainly become

438
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,521
Speaker 3: more aware of that in my recent time, since doing

439
00:24:59,561 --> 00:25:02,161
Speaker 3: a lot of deep dives into these cases. And how

440
00:25:02,201 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 3: important that is because I hadn't really ever thought about it.

441
00:25:04,201 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 3: I drive past it, I don't think about it. But

442
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:08,561
Speaker 3: hence why I think there's a lot of people who

443
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 3: probably think the same, So it's important to bring it

444
00:25:10,961 --> 00:25:11,841
Speaker 3: to people's attention.

445
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 4: It certainly is.

446
00:25:14,481 --> 00:25:18,201
Speaker 3: So how quickly did the police act to start searching,

447
00:25:18,321 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 3: and by which time you have been to the police

448
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 3: multiple times saying there's something wrong? And I'm going to

449
00:25:24,241 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 3: say the first forty eight hours of someone going missing

450
00:25:27,041 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 3: is the most critical time in a missing person's case.

451
00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 3: I'm absolutely baffled that this is still happening and your

452
00:25:32,321 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 3: family was ignored in twenty twenty five. But what assumptions

453
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,241
Speaker 3: do you believe police made about Scott and your requests

454
00:25:39,281 --> 00:25:39,681
Speaker 3: for help?

455
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,721
Speaker 4: Okay, we were still there our daughters on that Monday

456
00:25:44,201 --> 00:25:47,761
Speaker 4: afternoon and I got a phone call from the saying

457
00:25:48,201 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 4: that they're out searching. They started to search on the

458
00:25:50,961 --> 00:25:57,001
Speaker 4: Monday afternoon. That search went for five days, their drone,

459
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 4: their police talk. I think it was mainly the Ses

460
00:26:00,681 --> 00:26:02,801
Speaker 4: and far weik Gat that did the bulk of a

461
00:26:02,921 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 4: certain our son in laws. Two of them on the Tuesday,

462
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,721
Speaker 4: spent the whole day. Our sun in laws since been

463
00:26:09,801 --> 00:26:14,281
Speaker 4: out there some sixteen times, walked the hills, walked the bush.

464
00:26:15,761 --> 00:26:21,521
Speaker 4: The detective told us that Scott Bush got lost, probably

465
00:26:21,561 --> 00:26:24,521
Speaker 4: didn't survive the first night. Tick end of.

466
00:26:24,521 --> 00:26:27,041
Speaker 1: Story is that what they actually told you.

467
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:33,161
Speaker 4: The detective told us that the last footprint they say

468
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 4: was before the scrub, and they say that he just

469
00:26:37,481 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 4: went up in the thick scrub, got lost, probably didn't

470
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,121
Speaker 4: survive the first night and would be lost up there somewhere.

471
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 4: End of story. But there's too much evidence to suggest otherwise.

472
00:26:54,441 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 4: With other footprints that our son in laws actually discovered

473
00:26:59,801 --> 00:27:00,881
Speaker 4: that they didn't want to know.

474
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 3: About, very disheartening. And so I would assume and hope

475
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 3: that they would look at where that footprint ended before

476
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,721
Speaker 3: the scrub, and they would have sent dogs and areas

477
00:27:10,761 --> 00:27:13,521
Speaker 3: up there. I actually I know that Chris Darcy. So

478
00:27:13,761 --> 00:27:16,481
Speaker 3: the episode that just dropped is me having a chat

479
00:27:16,521 --> 00:27:19,801
Speaker 3: with Chris Darcy. I've done a couple of searchers with

480
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,761
Speaker 3: Chris myself for my mum's case, but they haven't had

481
00:27:22,801 --> 00:27:25,561
Speaker 3: any luck either with their dogs doing that search.

482
00:27:25,921 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 4: No. No, we only found out about Sydney a couple

483
00:27:30,441 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 4: of months ago, and with our daughter and son in

484
00:27:33,521 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 4: law that actually compacted them. Then I'm more than happy

485
00:27:36,801 --> 00:27:40,001
Speaker 4: to come up and do a search. We met them

486
00:27:40,041 --> 00:27:43,001
Speaker 4: out there actually the first day that they were there.

487
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,121
Speaker 4: Fantastic just just to meet them and see what they

488
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:47,801
Speaker 4: actually do.

489
00:27:47,961 --> 00:27:50,561
Speaker 1: You know, they're good people, good people.

490
00:27:50,681 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 4: They flew their drone lot, what area and what the

491
00:27:54,241 --> 00:27:58,641
Speaker 4: police ever is. So they've spent four days altogether, I think,

492
00:27:58,761 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 4: searching and they said they will come up again. But

493
00:28:01,921 --> 00:28:05,641
Speaker 4: they've checked drone footage back at their base in Sydney.

494
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 4: Nothing nothing to indicate that Scott ever went further up

495
00:28:10,441 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 4: in the bush. I mean, you would know if someone

496
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,001
Speaker 4: had gone through Dick Scrub, you know, the ground would

497
00:28:16,001 --> 00:28:19,441
Speaker 4: be flattened, twiggs would be broken.

498
00:28:19,201 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 3: And potentially like even clothing things like that torn on

499
00:28:23,041 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 3: branches and.

500
00:28:24,521 --> 00:28:27,761
Speaker 4: Exactly, and our son in law said, think that you

501
00:28:27,801 --> 00:28:29,281
Speaker 4: wouldn't get anyway.

502
00:28:29,561 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sorry that they said that to you, and

503
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,881
Speaker 3: that once again making assumptions you probably are aren't familiar.

504
00:28:35,001 --> 00:28:37,481
Speaker 3: You're so new in this missing space, so you might

505
00:28:37,521 --> 00:28:39,841
Speaker 3: not be familiar, and I know you very fresh.

506
00:28:39,561 --> 00:28:40,721
Speaker 1: To podcasts as well.

507
00:28:40,761 --> 00:28:43,521
Speaker 3: But they did a similar thing with my mum when

508
00:28:43,561 --> 00:28:45,921
Speaker 3: I went into the police station. My mum was supposed

509
00:28:45,961 --> 00:28:50,121
Speaker 3: to be overseas and she'd missed my brother's birthday, which

510
00:28:50,161 --> 00:28:53,161
Speaker 3: was very out of character. And my friend came over

511
00:28:53,161 --> 00:28:54,561
Speaker 3: for dinner and she said, why don't you ring the

512
00:28:54,601 --> 00:28:57,761
Speaker 3: bank and see if she's using her bank account, And

513
00:28:57,841 --> 00:29:00,521
Speaker 3: so we did that and found out reluctantly. At the

514
00:29:00,521 --> 00:29:02,681
Speaker 3: beginning she said, I can't tell you anything due to privacy,

515
00:29:02,721 --> 00:29:04,161
Speaker 3: and then she paused and said, did you say your

516
00:29:04,241 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 3: mum's overseas and I said yes, and she said, oh

517
00:29:06,201 --> 00:29:07,921
Speaker 3: my god, there's money coming out of her bank account

518
00:29:07,921 --> 00:29:11,161
Speaker 3: in Barron Bay and five thousand dollars every day for

519
00:29:11,201 --> 00:29:12,841
Speaker 3: three and a half weeks was coming out of her

520
00:29:12,881 --> 00:29:15,281
Speaker 3: bank account in Barron Bay, and then three days in

521
00:29:15,281 --> 00:29:17,881
Speaker 3: the middle was back up in Burly Heads in Queensland

522
00:29:17,921 --> 00:29:20,481
Speaker 3: and then back down in Byron Bay. Now she'd left

523
00:29:20,481 --> 00:29:22,561
Speaker 3: her car with me. She sold her house before she

524
00:29:22,641 --> 00:29:26,081
Speaker 3: went on this trip, and we went to the police

525
00:29:26,081 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 3: and they literally it was years later that I actually

526
00:29:29,001 --> 00:29:31,601
Speaker 3: saw the cops event and they actually reported my mum's

527
00:29:31,601 --> 00:29:35,361
Speaker 3: and occurrence only and wrote words of the effect that

528
00:29:35,521 --> 00:29:38,161
Speaker 3: you know she's capable of this behavior because she's been

529
00:29:38,201 --> 00:29:42,841
Speaker 3: married three times and divorced three times. Oh, she's capable

530
00:29:42,881 --> 00:29:46,281
Speaker 3: of this behavior. And an occurrence only is like someone

531
00:29:46,521 --> 00:29:49,521
Speaker 3: breaking into your house and stealing your TV. So you

532
00:29:49,521 --> 00:29:52,241
Speaker 3: know this was happening in nineteen ninety seven. I would

533
00:29:52,321 --> 00:29:54,961
Speaker 3: really hope that we'd be better at this by twenty

534
00:29:55,041 --> 00:29:58,521
Speaker 3: twenty five. It's just baffling to me, and why I

535
00:29:58,561 --> 00:30:01,001
Speaker 3: wanted to jump on with you this week so we

536
00:30:01,001 --> 00:30:03,321
Speaker 3: can get it out as soon as possible, because you

537
00:30:03,361 --> 00:30:06,481
Speaker 3: know it is very fresh for you guys. He's been

538
00:30:06,521 --> 00:30:09,081
Speaker 3: missing for two hundred and fifty days and we need

539
00:30:09,121 --> 00:30:13,001
Speaker 3: to really try and make some loud noise and awareness and.

540
00:30:13,001 --> 00:30:14,281
Speaker 1: Get the police to do more.

541
00:30:15,601 --> 00:30:18,321
Speaker 3: So you have expressed to me your concerns about the

542
00:30:18,321 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 3: police response. Can you elaborate on how their lack of

543
00:30:21,561 --> 00:30:23,401
Speaker 3: has affected your pursuit for answers.

544
00:30:24,961 --> 00:30:30,561
Speaker 4: Okay, well just not with the initial search and their

545
00:30:30,681 --> 00:30:34,601
Speaker 4: conclusion with that, the detectives that or we're just going

546
00:30:34,641 --> 00:30:38,441
Speaker 4: on the back, you know, but one footprint to them

547
00:30:38,561 --> 00:30:41,641
Speaker 4: is the fact that he's gone up to push got lost.

548
00:30:42,721 --> 00:30:45,161
Speaker 1: Not in my world anyway.

549
00:30:44,921 --> 00:30:50,601
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no. So since then, with all done

550
00:30:50,841 --> 00:30:55,241
Speaker 4: statements at the police station, except for our old stored angela,

551
00:30:55,441 --> 00:30:58,241
Speaker 4: did you feel comfortable to go up there? We're all

552
00:30:58,281 --> 00:31:03,081
Speaker 4: given statements, and I've given the police names of associates

553
00:31:03,121 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 4: of Scott's that he may have been in touch with.

554
00:31:05,921 --> 00:31:09,041
Speaker 4: I know that he had friends out at our local

555
00:31:09,441 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 4: beer pie mission here. I gave them the name of

556
00:31:13,561 --> 00:31:17,521
Speaker 4: a person out there and some other associates, and we've

557
00:31:17,561 --> 00:31:21,001
Speaker 4: really had to push for them to even contact any

558
00:31:21,041 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 4: of them. They have with a couple of them, but

559
00:31:23,561 --> 00:31:27,481
Speaker 4: only by phone. Anyone can say anything over a telephone

560
00:31:27,881 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 4: if they're covering for Scott or whatever, you know, they

561
00:31:30,481 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 4: know where he is, might actually go to their house

562
00:31:33,761 --> 00:31:37,801
Speaker 4: and talk to them face to face. But no, they

563
00:31:38,361 --> 00:31:42,521
Speaker 4: have never done that. We haven't heard from the detective now,

564
00:31:42,681 --> 00:31:46,801
Speaker 4: my husband and I for probably two and a half months.

565
00:31:46,841 --> 00:31:52,001
Speaker 4: I guess nothing. Our daughter has of emails asking him

566
00:31:52,041 --> 00:31:56,561
Speaker 4: to follow a couple of possible sightings, but they're reluctant

567
00:31:56,601 --> 00:31:59,081
Speaker 4: to even do that. They think that it's all rubbish.

568
00:31:59,081 --> 00:32:03,161
Speaker 4: Shaw of these people that have possibly seen him, they

569
00:32:03,241 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 4: kind of dismiss it.

570
00:32:05,681 --> 00:32:07,601
Speaker 3: Well, probably because they didn't look at the time when

571
00:32:07,641 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 3: it actually counted, like the days that you guys were

572
00:32:11,281 --> 00:32:13,201
Speaker 3: going into the police station and saying, can you please

573
00:32:13,241 --> 00:32:16,681
Speaker 3: help us something's wrong. Yes, very disappointing, and I'm really

574
00:32:16,721 --> 00:32:19,601
Speaker 3: sorry that you guys are going through this. I still

575
00:32:19,601 --> 00:32:22,681
Speaker 3: can't believe I'm asking these questions in twenty twenty five,

576
00:32:23,401 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: but I am. And if there was one thing you

577
00:32:25,481 --> 00:32:28,161
Speaker 3: would wish that law enforcement would have done differently, what

578
00:32:28,201 --> 00:32:28,841
Speaker 3: would that be?

579
00:32:29,881 --> 00:32:33,241
Speaker 4: I think to act more quickly, listen to the family.

580
00:32:33,401 --> 00:32:38,041
Speaker 4: I mean, we know they did capture some CCT footage

581
00:32:38,081 --> 00:32:40,561
Speaker 4: when there was a possible sighting. It will hope, I

582
00:32:40,601 --> 00:32:43,161
Speaker 4: said to the detective, Well, the family needs to actually

583
00:32:43,281 --> 00:32:48,001
Speaker 4: view that CCT footage because we know Scott's walk. Everyone

584
00:32:48,081 --> 00:32:51,161
Speaker 4: has the trait about them, you know, and the way

585
00:32:51,201 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 4: they move. But no, that's never happened. They took a

586
00:32:55,481 --> 00:32:57,281
Speaker 4: glance at it and said it wasn't hire.

587
00:32:57,961 --> 00:33:00,001
Speaker 1: End of story, and they didn't let you have a

588
00:33:00,001 --> 00:33:00,481
Speaker 1: look at it.

589
00:33:00,841 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 4: No, they wouldn't let us have a look at it

590
00:33:02,561 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 4: at all. And then we get in trouble from it,

591
00:33:07,361 --> 00:33:10,521
Speaker 4: do you hear, Because then we phoned Paul mccroie Police

592
00:33:10,561 --> 00:33:12,921
Speaker 4: to try and get some more answers and see if

593
00:33:12,961 --> 00:33:16,841
Speaker 4: they would investigate it. The detective says, well, paying with

594
00:33:16,961 --> 00:33:19,921
Speaker 4: other police and then there's no communication with me and

595
00:33:20,361 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 4: or there's no communication anyway, what do we do? Do

596
00:33:23,521 --> 00:33:27,681
Speaker 4: We sit at home and you know, do nothing? Have

597
00:33:27,761 --> 00:33:29,241
Speaker 4: to keep searching.

598
00:33:30,281 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 3: And so have they indicated to you where the case

599
00:33:33,521 --> 00:33:36,761
Speaker 3: sits at the moment. Is it still with tai Police

600
00:33:36,961 --> 00:33:39,481
Speaker 3: or have they moved it to the Missing Person's Unit.

601
00:33:40,241 --> 00:33:44,041
Speaker 4: His name is on the National Missing Person's Register and

602
00:33:44,121 --> 00:33:46,001
Speaker 4: we had to push for that to happen as well.

603
00:33:46,481 --> 00:33:49,561
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's different though to New South Wales Missing

604
00:33:49,561 --> 00:33:54,121
Speaker 3: Person's Unit. So the Missing Person's Register is run by

605
00:33:54,121 --> 00:33:57,841
Speaker 3: the AFP. The AFP can't do it without New South

606
00:33:57,881 --> 00:34:00,601
Speaker 3: Wales Police or the jurisdiction in charge of the case

607
00:34:01,201 --> 00:34:03,401
Speaker 3: asking for it to be put on and even if

608
00:34:03,401 --> 00:34:05,881
Speaker 3: any changes have to be made, it has to go

609
00:34:05,961 --> 00:34:08,881
Speaker 3: through the police. Okay, but you know there is a

610
00:34:08,881 --> 00:34:12,521
Speaker 3: big problem in New South Wales. I feel that Missing

611
00:34:12,561 --> 00:34:15,681
Speaker 3: Person's Unit a lot of the cases were pushed back

612
00:34:15,721 --> 00:34:21,441
Speaker 3: to the original location for where the person was reported missing,

613
00:34:21,481 --> 00:34:25,641
Speaker 3: for example, and it's left with the station to actually

614
00:34:25,641 --> 00:34:28,561
Speaker 3: be the ones managing the case, where I feel that

615
00:34:28,641 --> 00:34:32,001
Speaker 3: they should be with Missing Persons Unit, people who have

616
00:34:32,201 --> 00:34:36,441
Speaker 3: an understanding and empathy and appreciation for what families are

617
00:34:36,441 --> 00:34:40,761
Speaker 3: going through, as opposed to a detective who probably hasn't

618
00:34:40,761 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 3: read the handbook, like in my mum's case, since they

619
00:34:43,721 --> 00:34:46,081
Speaker 3: joined the force when they were nineteen and they're now

620
00:34:46,121 --> 00:34:49,081
Speaker 3: in their sixties, making assumptions about what's actually happened to

621
00:34:49,121 --> 00:34:52,161
Speaker 3: this person. I am going to tell you, and I'm

622
00:34:52,201 --> 00:34:55,041
Speaker 3: really hopeful this doesn't get to this point. But after

623
00:34:55,121 --> 00:34:59,401
Speaker 3: twelve months of someone being missing, the police are supposed

624
00:34:59,441 --> 00:35:02,801
Speaker 3: to do a P seventy nine B form. So that

625
00:35:02,921 --> 00:35:06,401
Speaker 3: form is designed that if a person who has gone

626
00:35:06,481 --> 00:35:09,401
Speaker 3: missing has not contacted their next of kin within twelve

627
00:35:09,481 --> 00:35:12,361
Speaker 3: months from the date from when they went missing, the

628
00:35:12,481 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 3: coroner is supposed to have that form given to them,

629
00:35:15,601 --> 00:35:19,681
Speaker 3: and it's them then making a decision whether they have

630
00:35:19,721 --> 00:35:22,841
Speaker 3: an inquest or whether you know what the next steps are.

631
00:35:22,881 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 3: So just keep that up your sleeve because it could

632
00:35:25,481 --> 00:35:27,481
Speaker 3: be a case. And I hate to say it, but

633
00:35:27,561 --> 00:35:30,681
Speaker 3: you know, the silence is pretty common. So you keep

634
00:35:30,681 --> 00:35:32,481
Speaker 3: going and if you don't get any answers, I'd keep

635
00:35:32,521 --> 00:35:34,961
Speaker 3: going to the next police station as well and say, look,

636
00:35:35,001 --> 00:35:37,201
Speaker 3: these guys are doing nothing. He's still missing.

637
00:35:38,201 --> 00:35:42,041
Speaker 4: I actually did put in a formal complaint to the laws,

638
00:35:42,961 --> 00:35:47,641
Speaker 4: complaints about their mishandling of Scott's case.

639
00:35:48,041 --> 00:35:49,041
Speaker 1: Did you get a response?

640
00:35:49,441 --> 00:35:52,761
Speaker 4: It just got referred back to the Tari police station

641
00:35:52,961 --> 00:35:56,881
Speaker 4: for an internal review. We had a visit from a

642
00:35:56,921 --> 00:36:02,241
Speaker 4: policeman who peddles these actions, who just kind of smoothed it.

643
00:36:02,241 --> 00:36:06,121
Speaker 3: Over so pretty much take he's a but send it

644
00:36:06,161 --> 00:36:08,121
Speaker 3: back to where the complaints come from so they can

645
00:36:08,161 --> 00:36:09,441
Speaker 3: manage their own complaint.

646
00:36:10,041 --> 00:36:13,321
Speaker 4: That's right, That's exactly what happened. It came full circle.

647
00:36:14,081 --> 00:36:19,081
Speaker 1: Waste of time, excellent, good news. Not sorry to laugh,

648
00:36:19,121 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: but I just say it's laughing.

649
00:36:20,841 --> 00:36:22,401
Speaker 4: It's unbelievable.

650
00:36:23,321 --> 00:36:23,721
Speaker 1: Crazy.

651
00:36:24,521 --> 00:36:26,441
Speaker 3: All right, Well, let's talk about a bit of a

652
00:36:26,481 --> 00:36:29,401
Speaker 3: positive side of this, and that would be the community

653
00:36:29,401 --> 00:36:32,161
Speaker 3: and the online support that I'm seeing you guys are getting.

654
00:36:32,201 --> 00:36:34,401
Speaker 3: So Marilyn, as I mentioned before, as your youngest daughter,

655
00:36:34,481 --> 00:36:37,201
Speaker 3: and she created a Facebook page called can you help

656
00:36:37,241 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 3: find Scott Hayden? Yes, and Hayden is Spelch Haydn And

657
00:36:43,561 --> 00:36:47,001
Speaker 3: on the ninth of September was when that Facebook page

658
00:36:47,041 --> 00:36:49,281
Speaker 3: was created. From what I can see, and it already

659
00:36:49,321 --> 00:36:53,161
Speaker 3: has one point five k followers. So for your knowledge,

660
00:36:53,161 --> 00:36:55,761
Speaker 3: it took me twenty years to get over one thousand

661
00:36:55,881 --> 00:36:59,681
Speaker 3: followers on Facebook, so that's quite tremendous. And that shows

662
00:36:59,721 --> 00:37:02,521
Speaker 3: me the fact that things are moving in this space

663
00:37:02,561 --> 00:37:05,321
Speaker 3: and people are really starting to engage and offer to

664
00:37:05,361 --> 00:37:08,561
Speaker 3: help and jumping in where they can. And Marilyn is

665
00:37:08,561 --> 00:37:11,481
Speaker 3: doing an amazing job. She's the person that I originally

666
00:37:11,681 --> 00:37:14,401
Speaker 3: was messaging to and she said, talk to mum because

667
00:37:14,481 --> 00:37:17,401
Speaker 3: Mum's got all the details. So you know, it's nice

668
00:37:17,401 --> 00:37:19,921
Speaker 3: to see that the public are following along and lots

669
00:37:19,961 --> 00:37:22,321
Speaker 3: of comments. So I guess it was only two weeks

670
00:37:22,361 --> 00:37:24,521
Speaker 3: ago that I first reached out on the page, and

671
00:37:24,761 --> 00:37:27,041
Speaker 3: you know, I think Marilyn was a little bit skeptical

672
00:37:27,081 --> 00:37:29,601
Speaker 3: and thinking, I don't know, we don't really listen to podcasts,

673
00:37:29,721 --> 00:37:32,361
Speaker 3: and I said, look, this is just a gentle conversation.

674
00:37:32,641 --> 00:37:34,601
Speaker 1: There's no pressure. If you would like to, I'd be

675
00:37:34,681 --> 00:37:35,881
Speaker 1: very happy to help.

676
00:37:35,841 --> 00:37:38,921
Speaker 3: Do what I can and here we are, so you know,

677
00:37:39,201 --> 00:37:42,361
Speaker 3: I think you know the Missing Matter podcast is what

678
00:37:42,401 --> 00:37:45,401
Speaker 3: this is all about. I think I could jump on

679
00:37:45,481 --> 00:37:48,001
Speaker 3: and just tell the stories, but I think it comes

680
00:37:48,361 --> 00:37:51,801
Speaker 3: across so much better if the families are actually sharing

681
00:37:52,161 --> 00:37:55,801
Speaker 3: their experience with everybody, because these are real stories, they're

682
00:37:55,841 --> 00:37:59,561
Speaker 3: real people, And I think, you know, there's been a

683
00:37:59,561 --> 00:38:02,961
Speaker 3: lot uncovered from me being able to, in my own

684
00:38:03,041 --> 00:38:05,321
Speaker 3: mum's case, be able to be a part of the

685
00:38:05,361 --> 00:38:07,441
Speaker 3: podcast that I did with Channel seven in such a

686
00:38:07,441 --> 00:38:11,201
Speaker 3: big way. I was able to sort of give them

687
00:38:11,681 --> 00:38:14,361
Speaker 3: a lot more information than them just finding it online.

688
00:38:14,401 --> 00:38:17,521
Speaker 3: And half the time that's incorrect anyway. So I always

689
00:38:17,601 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 3: like to come back and we go back and forth

690
00:38:19,441 --> 00:38:22,001
Speaker 3: a few times, don't we with making sure that everything

691
00:38:22,081 --> 00:38:25,241
Speaker 3: is correct and we've got all that information right, because

692
00:38:25,601 --> 00:38:28,841
Speaker 3: there is more problems when people actually put information out

693
00:38:28,881 --> 00:38:32,641
Speaker 3: online and in podcasts and things like that without fact

694
00:38:32,721 --> 00:38:35,961
Speaker 3: checking and making sure that the information is correct, because

695
00:38:36,121 --> 00:38:39,721
Speaker 3: that can cause a lot of problems. But I saw

696
00:38:39,761 --> 00:38:41,801
Speaker 3: that there's a pinned post and when I checked a

697
00:38:41,801 --> 00:38:43,921
Speaker 3: couple of days ago, that had nine hundred and eighty

698
00:38:43,961 --> 00:38:46,561
Speaker 3: three shares and over three hundred comments and one point

699
00:38:46,601 --> 00:38:49,321
Speaker 3: two k likes, and that's a huge reach for people

700
00:38:49,321 --> 00:38:52,881
Speaker 3: who don't manage a page as such. When you click

701
00:38:52,961 --> 00:38:56,761
Speaker 3: on your stats or the insights and seeing how many

702
00:38:56,801 --> 00:38:59,561
Speaker 3: people would have viewed that post, being that there's been

703
00:38:59,601 --> 00:39:03,161
Speaker 3: nearly a thousand shares, that is humongous. Like the algorithm

704
00:39:03,241 --> 00:39:06,201
Speaker 3: just goes crazy and reach at the end of the

705
00:39:06,281 --> 00:39:10,241
Speaker 3: day is how we find the clues and hopeful answers

706
00:39:10,241 --> 00:39:13,321
Speaker 3: to what's happened, and most importantly, you know, find Scott

707
00:39:13,441 --> 00:39:17,201
Speaker 3: and he's safe and well, which is the goal. What

708
00:39:17,281 --> 00:39:19,441
Speaker 3: would you like to say to everyone who is liking

709
00:39:19,441 --> 00:39:22,161
Speaker 3: and sharing and commenting to help Scott and what does

710
00:39:22,241 --> 00:39:23,601
Speaker 3: that support feel like for you?

711
00:39:23,641 --> 00:39:30,841
Speaker 4: Guys? Overwhelmed by the response. Most responses positive, you know,

712
00:39:31,241 --> 00:39:35,361
Speaker 4: we're thinking of your family were shared, We're prep your family,

713
00:39:36,161 --> 00:39:39,241
Speaker 4: those sorts of things. A couple of responses have been,

714
00:39:39,321 --> 00:39:43,081
Speaker 4: oh yes, I believe I saw Scott intern Worth and

715
00:39:43,121 --> 00:39:45,721
Speaker 4: he reported it to the police a couple of months prior.

716
00:39:45,921 --> 00:39:50,921
Speaker 4: And it's done things like that. It all gives us hope.

717
00:39:51,281 --> 00:39:54,001
Speaker 4: You go to bed that night and think, Okay, well

718
00:39:54,561 --> 00:39:57,481
Speaker 4: maybe he's out there somewhere, you know, and so it

719
00:39:57,521 --> 00:40:00,761
Speaker 4: gives us hope to keep going and destinate that people

720
00:40:00,761 --> 00:40:07,641
Speaker 4: are rallying around and the overwhelming support it has been fantastic.

721
00:40:07,921 --> 00:40:10,481
Speaker 3: Gives you that inner strength, doesn't it to keep going

722
00:40:10,521 --> 00:40:13,601
Speaker 3: when you've got nice people in your corner and you're

723
00:40:13,601 --> 00:40:16,641
Speaker 3: battling with all these other things that you shouldn't have

724
00:40:16,721 --> 00:40:19,241
Speaker 3: to battle with. To be fair, they should be helping

725
00:40:19,281 --> 00:40:22,201
Speaker 3: you just as much. But the support of the community

726
00:40:22,281 --> 00:40:24,921
Speaker 3: is what keeps us going. Certainly has helped me for

727
00:40:24,961 --> 00:40:27,641
Speaker 3: a very long time now, and having those people in

728
00:40:27,681 --> 00:40:29,801
Speaker 3: your corner is extremely helpful.

729
00:40:29,881 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 4: That support work is so important, isn't it.

730
00:40:32,761 --> 00:40:34,921
Speaker 3: You know, I'm in the same boat of well, you

731
00:40:34,961 --> 00:40:38,121
Speaker 3: know my mum is still missing too, And you know

732
00:40:38,521 --> 00:40:41,361
Speaker 3: it comes down to lived experience in these cases, I

733
00:40:41,361 --> 00:40:42,961
Speaker 3: think a lot of the time, and being able to

734
00:40:43,001 --> 00:40:45,881
Speaker 3: just have some empathy and understanding and being able to

735
00:40:46,281 --> 00:40:50,281
Speaker 3: share with people what I've had to endure and the

736
00:40:50,361 --> 00:40:52,721
Speaker 3: things and knowledge that I've sort of gathered along the

737
00:40:52,721 --> 00:40:54,881
Speaker 3: way to help people like you guys.

738
00:40:54,921 --> 00:40:56,561
Speaker 1: So know that the.

739
00:40:56,521 --> 00:41:00,001
Speaker 3: Community is huge and there's lots of love and support

740
00:41:00,041 --> 00:41:03,001
Speaker 3: and care. So you know, once we connect, we're connected.

741
00:41:03,121 --> 00:41:05,401
Speaker 3: So you reach out to me anytime you like I can.

742
00:41:05,841 --> 00:41:09,521
Speaker 3: You've got my number appreciate that, and we can chat whenever,

743
00:41:09,721 --> 00:41:11,881
Speaker 3: even if you just need someone to talk to, you know,

744
00:41:12,121 --> 00:41:14,641
Speaker 3: so you just know that that offer is always there.

745
00:41:15,281 --> 00:41:18,201
Speaker 3: So there have been a few suggested sightings of Scott

746
00:41:18,241 --> 00:41:20,201
Speaker 3: you mentioned that just a moment ago, but none of

747
00:41:20,281 --> 00:41:23,041
Speaker 3: them have been verified. What message would you like to

748
00:41:23,041 --> 00:41:25,921
Speaker 3: convey to anybody who might have information about Scott? And

749
00:41:25,961 --> 00:41:28,881
Speaker 3: how can people contact you directly if they have information

750
00:41:28,961 --> 00:41:29,801
Speaker 3: they'd like to share?

751
00:41:31,081 --> 00:41:34,561
Speaker 4: If anyone cites Scotty, he may have changed his name,

752
00:41:34,681 --> 00:41:37,121
Speaker 4: he may have grown a bed, but he's got very

753
00:41:37,161 --> 00:41:44,201
Speaker 4: distinctive tattoos unlike else you know, I've ever seen tattoos.

754
00:41:44,561 --> 00:41:48,841
Speaker 4: One arm Scott triple seven and yahweight on it, which

755
00:41:48,921 --> 00:41:53,321
Speaker 4: is another name for God. Mm hmm, checkered tattoos. On

756
00:41:53,441 --> 00:41:56,841
Speaker 4: the underarm of that arm, he's got a line with

757
00:41:57,001 --> 00:41:59,761
Speaker 4: a crown on top the same arm up in the

758
00:41:59,881 --> 00:42:03,601
Speaker 4: upper arm. On the other arm, he's got triple eight.

759
00:42:04,401 --> 00:42:06,881
Speaker 3: I'd also like to say, I'm sure people can message

760
00:42:06,921 --> 00:42:10,041
Speaker 3: you guys through your Facebook page, can you help find

761
00:42:10,081 --> 00:42:13,161
Speaker 3: Scott Hayden. But I also say to people they're welcome

762
00:42:13,281 --> 00:42:16,641
Speaker 3: to email me at info at the Missingmatter dot com

763
00:42:16,721 --> 00:42:19,321
Speaker 3: and I will forward any emails onto you. Of course,

764
00:42:19,801 --> 00:42:24,681
Speaker 3: we do always promote for people to ring crime stoppers. However,

765
00:42:25,081 --> 00:42:28,561
Speaker 3: make sure you do get a reference number and probably

766
00:42:28,681 --> 00:42:31,081
Speaker 3: giving the family the reference number and letting them know

767
00:42:31,161 --> 00:42:33,561
Speaker 3: that you have done something or you have reported something,

768
00:42:34,121 --> 00:42:36,801
Speaker 3: and then I personally would then give that to the

769
00:42:36,881 --> 00:42:39,561
Speaker 3: detective and say, I know that this person has run

770
00:42:39,641 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 3: crime stoppers. Here is the reference number for that call.

771
00:42:42,561 --> 00:42:45,801
Speaker 3: Can you please ensure that you get it, because in

772
00:42:45,881 --> 00:42:48,041
Speaker 3: my own mum's case, I know for a fact that

773
00:42:48,201 --> 00:42:52,201
Speaker 3: things weren't passed on, and that is concerning in itself

774
00:42:52,361 --> 00:42:55,481
Speaker 3: because that's supposed to be a platform for people to

775
00:42:55,721 --> 00:42:59,761
Speaker 3: ring and give information. And you know, we really hope

776
00:42:59,801 --> 00:43:03,681
Speaker 3: that it's being done properly because these people's lives matter

777
00:43:03,961 --> 00:43:05,441
Speaker 3: and it's really important.

778
00:43:05,121 --> 00:43:09,521
Speaker 4: They certainly do, yes, and if anyone cites even if

779
00:43:09,561 --> 00:43:13,401
Speaker 4: they're not one hundred pcent certain, hey, that's him. Still

780
00:43:13,481 --> 00:43:16,001
Speaker 4: reach out to the family. There a little bit of

781
00:43:16,081 --> 00:43:20,401
Speaker 4: information sort of helps put the pieces together and it

782
00:43:20,441 --> 00:43:22,841
Speaker 4: will help us locate him, you know, and.

783
00:43:22,921 --> 00:43:26,241
Speaker 3: Make sure you share these podcasts with everybody because someone

784
00:43:26,361 --> 00:43:30,121
Speaker 3: might listen and go, oh, I remember I saw that person,

785
00:43:30,201 --> 00:43:32,361
Speaker 3: I saw that car, and he's got a distinctive car. Right,

786
00:43:32,441 --> 00:43:35,041
Speaker 3: it's like bright gold yellow color.

787
00:43:35,681 --> 00:43:39,001
Speaker 4: Yes, yes Jesus number plates and so.

788
00:43:39,081 --> 00:43:41,401
Speaker 3: It stands out and I know the car has been found,

789
00:43:41,961 --> 00:43:44,361
Speaker 3: but someone might have seen it, and it's so fresh,

790
00:43:44,521 --> 00:43:46,561
Speaker 3: like it's not that long ago that this all happens.

791
00:43:46,641 --> 00:43:48,841
Speaker 3: So that's why it's important to get onto it as

792
00:43:48,961 --> 00:43:53,121
Speaker 3: quick as possible. What keeps you guys going as a

793
00:43:53,201 --> 00:43:55,681
Speaker 3: family during this incredibly difficult time.

794
00:43:57,201 --> 00:44:01,201
Speaker 4: I think we've got great support from our daughters, you know,

795
00:44:01,401 --> 00:44:04,441
Speaker 4: our grandchildren that we see quite a bit of it

796
00:44:05,201 --> 00:44:08,641
Speaker 4: live locally. Is that keeps us going? We keep busy.

797
00:44:08,881 --> 00:44:12,361
Speaker 4: We try to keep busy and stay positive, really try

798
00:44:12,441 --> 00:44:14,761
Speaker 4: to stay positive. I mean there are days where you think, oh,

799
00:44:15,201 --> 00:44:17,801
Speaker 4: you know, maybe to get lost up in the bush

800
00:44:17,841 --> 00:44:19,641
Speaker 4: and blah blah blah. Now I think, no, I'm not

801
00:44:19,761 --> 00:44:23,921
Speaker 4: going to try and dwell on that worst case scenario

802
00:44:24,361 --> 00:44:25,521
Speaker 4: because that's not helpful.

803
00:44:26,321 --> 00:44:29,201
Speaker 1: Hope is a big thing. Yeah, and it can keep

804
00:44:29,281 --> 00:44:29,961
Speaker 1: you healthy too.

805
00:44:30,361 --> 00:44:34,641
Speaker 3: If we dive ourselves into a despared state where we

806
00:44:34,841 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 3: are thinking the worst, it actually is not very healthy

807
00:44:37,561 --> 00:44:37,841
Speaker 3: for us.

808
00:44:37,921 --> 00:44:40,201
Speaker 4: So the days where you don't want to be here yourself,

809
00:44:40,521 --> 00:44:41,721
Speaker 4: you start thinking like that.

810
00:44:41,961 --> 00:44:44,761
Speaker 3: So and it is hard and you know Scott was

811
00:44:44,761 --> 00:44:47,521
Speaker 3: a grown man. But you know, we started this episode

812
00:44:47,521 --> 00:44:50,281
Speaker 3: and the very first question, and you were very upset

813
00:44:50,361 --> 00:44:53,521
Speaker 3: by that. And it shows people how raw and how

814
00:44:53,601 --> 00:44:56,281
Speaker 3: hard this is. It doesn't matter who they are, they

815
00:44:56,361 --> 00:44:57,121
Speaker 3: all matter.

816
00:44:57,241 --> 00:44:58,841
Speaker 4: Definitely certainly do.

817
00:44:59,201 --> 00:45:01,681
Speaker 1: And you know it's important that we do our best.

818
00:45:02,441 --> 00:45:05,321
Speaker 3: And even if it's just that support, you know, sending

819
00:45:05,321 --> 00:45:08,641
Speaker 3: the family a nice email or a message to give

820
00:45:08,681 --> 00:45:11,321
Speaker 3: them support, that does go a long way in our space.

821
00:45:12,081 --> 00:45:15,361
Speaker 3: So if Scott was to hear this podcast, Janette, what

822
00:45:15,561 --> 00:45:18,801
Speaker 3: message would you want to share with him directly That.

823
00:45:18,961 --> 00:45:23,121
Speaker 4: Our family desperately love him and we miss him so

824
00:45:23,361 --> 00:45:29,241
Speaker 4: much that it's not the same for us anymore. It

825
00:45:29,401 --> 00:45:34,961
Speaker 4: never will be until he's located. It's turned out our

826
00:45:35,121 --> 00:45:40,321
Speaker 4: world upside down. We don't care about the two sessions.

827
00:45:40,441 --> 00:45:43,081
Speaker 4: They mean nothing to us. They can be replaced.

828
00:45:43,761 --> 00:45:47,041
Speaker 6: Someone's life can't be We just want to know that

829
00:45:47,161 --> 00:45:51,281
Speaker 6: he's safe, that hopefully someone kind is looking after him,

830
00:45:51,561 --> 00:45:56,041
Speaker 6: that he's being supported by a group with Salvation Army,

831
00:45:56,241 --> 00:45:59,321
Speaker 6: someone that looks up homeless people.

832
00:45:59,401 --> 00:46:02,561
Speaker 4: We're thinking maybe it would be homeless, and there's a

833
00:46:02,641 --> 00:46:06,361
Speaker 4: lot of those in our country. Sad we just love

834
00:46:06,481 --> 00:46:09,001
Speaker 4: him more than our own lives, you know, like as

835
00:46:09,041 --> 00:46:11,721
Speaker 4: you do with your children, you just wanted the best

836
00:46:11,801 --> 00:46:15,401
Speaker 4: for them. We just want to know that he's happy

837
00:46:16,201 --> 00:46:20,721
Speaker 4: wherever he is, that he's you know, he's safe. He's

838
00:46:20,761 --> 00:46:23,201
Speaker 4: a big thing. And it needn't have been like this.

839
00:46:23,801 --> 00:46:25,521
Speaker 4: You know, we could have worked this out.

840
00:46:27,481 --> 00:46:27,761
Speaker 1: Listen.

841
00:46:27,801 --> 00:46:30,641
Speaker 3: I always like to end these episodes with why the

842
00:46:30,761 --> 00:46:33,561
Speaker 3: missing matter? Can you tell everybody why Scott matters?

843
00:46:34,441 --> 00:46:44,601
Speaker 4: Scott? Because he's an adored and grandson and uncle and

844
00:46:44,841 --> 00:46:51,601
Speaker 4: brother in law and cousin. You know, many cousins are

845
00:46:51,641 --> 00:46:55,681
Speaker 4: one of ten children, so I'm a really big family.

846
00:46:56,441 --> 00:46:59,521
Speaker 4: He's so important in our lives. Is there only son?

847
00:46:59,641 --> 00:47:03,281
Speaker 4: Our first? For Scott and I had a very close

848
00:47:03,401 --> 00:47:07,681
Speaker 4: bond his mother and so, and he could normally talk

849
00:47:07,721 --> 00:47:14,161
Speaker 4: to me about everything. But to drugs change people, you know,

850
00:47:14,361 --> 00:47:18,281
Speaker 4: who become someone they don't want to be. And I mean,

851
00:47:18,321 --> 00:47:22,161
Speaker 4: I don't understand addiction, but it has such a long

852
00:47:22,681 --> 00:47:27,281
Speaker 4: people's pops and you can make them do things totally

853
00:47:27,321 --> 00:47:29,521
Speaker 4: out of character, things that they would never normally do.

854
00:47:29,641 --> 00:47:32,401
Speaker 4: And this is certainly not normal for Scott. He'd always

855
00:47:32,481 --> 00:47:36,041
Speaker 4: contact us if he's any trouble. He'd always come back home.

856
00:47:36,481 --> 00:47:40,521
Speaker 4: You know, whether he had this pre plan that he

857
00:47:40,721 --> 00:47:45,801
Speaker 4: was going to have time out somewhere, whether he knew

858
00:47:45,921 --> 00:47:49,721
Speaker 4: someone that lived away that we were not aware of.

859
00:47:50,681 --> 00:47:55,201
Speaker 4: We don't know. It's all those questions at the moment

860
00:47:55,961 --> 00:47:57,081
Speaker 4: and answered questions.

861
00:47:58,201 --> 00:47:59,521
Speaker 3: I just want to reach through and give you a

862
00:47:59,561 --> 00:48:03,681
Speaker 3: big hug. So know that I'm giving you a big

863
00:48:03,761 --> 00:48:06,161
Speaker 3: virtual hug as best I can. And I wish I

864
00:48:06,321 --> 00:48:09,481
Speaker 3: was there in person. We were so far away, so

865
00:48:09,601 --> 00:48:10,921
Speaker 3: much appreciate.

866
00:48:12,281 --> 00:48:12,801
Speaker 4: How much.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to this episode of The Missing Matter.

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Speaker 2: Next week we'll bring you the final episode for twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five, a closing chapter for the year, and a

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Speaker 2: moment to reflect on the stories, the families, and the

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Speaker 2: voices we've shared. If you're new to the podcast, or

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Speaker 2: if you'd like to revisit any of the cases we've covered,

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Speaker 2: there are plenty of episodes waiting for you. Just scroll

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Speaker 2: back through the feed on your favorite podcast app, and

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Speaker 2: we'll see you next week for our final episode of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five.