WEBVTT - The best TV of 2024

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<v Speaker 1>From Schwartz Media. I'm Ruby Jones and this is seven

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<v Speaker 1>AM's summer series. If a TV series entertains you and

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<v Speaker 1>transports you somewhere new for an hour, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>A good show. But if it tells you.

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<v Speaker 1>Something about yourself and the moment that you're living in,

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<v Speaker 1>well that is a very good series. And this year

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<v Speaker 1>the best television came in surprising formats, including a queer

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<v Speaker 1>dating show in Japan, a technicolor reimagining of ancient Greece,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the depths of a beloved, if stressful Chicago kitchen. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm speaking to the Saturday Papers TV critic Sarah Kresmastin

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<v Speaker 1>about the best television of twenty twenty four and how

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<v Speaker 1>it grapples with ambition, love, grief, and the gods. It's Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>December twenty fourth. Sarah, Welcome to seven AM.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>A huge year for television. It feels like there was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot that came out of wildly variable quality. But

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about the best. Yes, tell me what your

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<v Speaker 1>first pick of the year is.

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<v Speaker 3>So I like to shake it out between fiction and

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<v Speaker 3>nonfiction television or scripted and nonscripted, because that's where my

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<v Speaker 3>interests so as go, and I feel that Nonscripted really

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<v Speaker 3>gets the short end of the stick and a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of end of year raps. My first pick was Lance

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<v Speaker 3>Oppenheim's three part docu series ren Fair.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, tell me about rent Fair.

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<v Speaker 3>Ren Fair is vibe wise a mix between Game of

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<v Speaker 3>Thrones and succession and it's all true.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Texas a Renaissance Festival.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about a battle for succession in America's largest Renaissance festival,

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<v Speaker 3>which is the Texas Renaissance Festival, after its eighty six

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<v Speaker 3>year old founder decides that he's going to retire.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that guy's is George.

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<v Speaker 3>Kulham and he's referred to as King George, the Ruler.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not crazy, he's just thinking on a level that

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<v Speaker 1>you can't comprehend. I don't know what's going to happen

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<v Speaker 1>to it after he's the house if he ain't work

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<v Speaker 1>and it don't work.

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<v Speaker 4>George George, George George.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's a deeply unpalatable human being.

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<v Speaker 4>The perfect way to go would be have a woman

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<v Speaker 4>screw me to death, and that's my goal.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's what makes for the power dynamics and the

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<v Speaker 3>power struggle and kind of palace intrigue that takes place

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<v Speaker 3>over each of these three episodes. With the place where

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<v Speaker 3>this actually takes place in Texas is so lawyer on

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<v Speaker 3>such a large physical scale that George incorporated it as

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<v Speaker 3>his own city, of which he's been the mayor for

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<v Speaker 3>the last forty years. So his retirement and the possible

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<v Speaker 3>change in this festival is quite significant for a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people. So as a documentary, it explores all of

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<v Speaker 3>these elements. Openheim's really interesting to me because he has

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of heightened kind of cinematic elements that come

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<v Speaker 3>in to make it visually really compelling, really fun to watch.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we have this kind of push me ploye

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<v Speaker 3>relationship with this odious man at the center of the action.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just another way of proving.

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<v Speaker 3>As our best kind of factual story telling does that

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<v Speaker 3>fact is stranger than fiction.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was a super transporting documentary.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it got the attention it deserved this year,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think will be perfect kind of summer watching.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me a little bit more about the odious man

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<v Speaker 1>at the center, King George, Are you on his side

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<v Speaker 1>at all?

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<v Speaker 3>Like I am never on George's side, But I'm deeply

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<v Speaker 3>interested in all of the factors which coalesced to make George.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean to describe him. I think the most effective

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<v Speaker 3>way is telling you that he has an employee who's

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<v Speaker 3>devoted solely to managing his profile and dating on a

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<v Speaker 3>sugar Daddy website, which you have no judgment to either

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<v Speaker 3>party if that's what they.

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<v Speaker 2>Freely choose to do.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's quite explicit about his sexual life, and there's.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the mayor of the festival and like the Sugar

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<v Speaker 1>Daddy correct.

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<v Speaker 3>See seeking a mate and everything in his life is

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<v Speaker 3>defined by great power imbalances.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, that's George.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds fascinating. Your second pick, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so again did not get the attention that I

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<v Speaker 3>wished it had this year. Another factual genre pick is

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<v Speaker 3>The Boyfriend, which is Japan's first queer dating show.

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<v Speaker 5>When I saw Kazuto, I was surprised. He's a really

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<v Speaker 5>good looking guy. Think you must be popular.

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<v Speaker 1>My first impression is that he's friendly and kind, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's also a little bit mysterious.

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<v Speaker 2>I was initially attracted by the blurb, which.

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<v Speaker 3>Was something along the lines of nine men move in

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<v Speaker 3>together and run a coffee truck.

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<v Speaker 2>In an effort to find their one.

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<v Speaker 3>True love something like this, which seemed unlikely.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was just like, what is this? So it's

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<v Speaker 2>nine men.

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<v Speaker 3>They move in together four months in Chiba, which is

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<v Speaker 3>near the beach, and they paired up in different combinations

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<v Speaker 3>to go out and actually run this coffee truck business.

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<v Speaker 5>So far, we're serving a cafe latte, hot nice latte,

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<v Speaker 5>hot niced, and regular drip coffee also hot niced.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So the people that I've recommended it too, who wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>have otherwise watched it. The reaction has been unanimous that

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<v Speaker 3>it's extraordinarily moving, so surprisingly compelling and emotional and not

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<v Speaker 3>at all what you would expect from the description of

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<v Speaker 3>this is a you know, a reality dating show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it sounds very wholesome and non toxic.

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<v Speaker 3>It is both of those things, and it's like the

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<v Speaker 3>rare show where and this is not particular too, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>factual storytelling.

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<v Speaker 2>I do feel it made me slightly better in my

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<v Speaker 2>own relationships. It wakens up something in you.

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<v Speaker 3>When you're watching it that is like a little room

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<v Speaker 3>in the house that you didn't know was there. They

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<v Speaker 3>are so deliberate and intentional with their choices.

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<v Speaker 5>So I realized that I've never been able to really

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<v Speaker 5>let myself commit to the idea of being in love

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<v Speaker 5>before I thought if I'm vulnerable or grow So it's

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<v Speaker 5>amazing to be able to meet you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so cool.

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<v Speaker 3>The pacing is very gradual, the camera is extremely intimate,

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<v Speaker 3>and we get to know each of these men very slowly.

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<v Speaker 6>Their backstore, their character, and you get an idea cumulatively

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<v Speaker 6>across all these episodes, not just into how relationship is

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<v Speaker 6>just hard for anybody, but particularly for members of the

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<v Speaker 6>queer community in Japan, and they're working in groups, they're

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<v Speaker 6>working on themselves and then slowly, slowly as a group

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<v Speaker 6>towards this beautiful cohesion that just has this wonderful emotional

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<v Speaker 6>effects that we're seeing change over time in real life.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just find it the most gorgeous thing I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen in a very long time.

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<v Speaker 1>And so this show, it's Japanese. There hasn't really been

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<v Speaker 1>a queer reality TV series in Australia, has There is

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<v Speaker 1>that something you've noticed?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I have noticed that for a very long time,

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<v Speaker 3>and I wish there was something exactly like this. People

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<v Speaker 3>who know me know that I'm an enormous reality TV nerd,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think something that was not just prurient or voyeuristic,

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<v Speaker 3>something that's actually relatable and generous and slowly paced. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe we just don't have as a culture the patients

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<v Speaker 3>for it, but I don't think that's true. I think

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<v Speaker 3>that people who watch this and invests in the show

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<v Speaker 3>can see that it could work in any other culture

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<v Speaker 3>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>After the Break, Kitchens and Chaos. So, Sarah, we've been

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<v Speaker 1>talking about your favorite TV shows of the year. So

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<v Speaker 1>I far we've spoken about the nonfiction, But tell me,

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<v Speaker 1>tell me about the fiction.

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<v Speaker 2>What have you seen? What have you loved? So this

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<v Speaker 2>was a very very difficult list to narrow.

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<v Speaker 3>Down because it's a phenomenal year for storytelling.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bear has to be mentioned. Part three.

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<v Speaker 3>We continue to see the full range of human experience

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<v Speaker 3>represented in an old sandwich shop, which for me never

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<v Speaker 3>gets old. But they're also doing new things in new

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<v Speaker 3>ways with all of these familiar people and settings.

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<v Speaker 2>In the third season.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so in this third season, Kami has the new

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<v Speaker 1>restaurant and and these big ambitions.

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<v Speaker 5>Three mushroom wait an application, no no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 5>no customer requests no mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it a moffication or an allergy? Doesn't he doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>like mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't he doesn't like mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't it the mushrooms? It's about the clamer deal with him.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not doing anything to this time.

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<v Speaker 2>Guy hates fucking mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 5>Customer, you get here, chie, I'm gonna send you.

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<v Speaker 1>But the themes, would you say they remain the same,

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<v Speaker 1>this theme of pressure and chaos.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like, be careful what you wish for. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>things will be great. My life will be great once

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<v Speaker 3>I achieve this goal or dream. So he's kind of

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<v Speaker 3>at the pinnacle of where he had wanted to ended up,

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<v Speaker 3>and yet he's being still plagued by these old ghosts

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<v Speaker 3>and these old kind of reactions in himself. We see

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<v Speaker 3>Chef Sidney Ao and Abiri in more detail.

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<v Speaker 2>We're letting even more into her backstory. I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>I've been here an hour. Yeah, it's it's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are you doing this.

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<v Speaker 5>So that I can push you and you can push me?

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<v Speaker 2>That's what you want it right, and we can see why.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the true achievement is not the opening of

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<v Speaker 3>the restaurant or getting a perfect review. It is the

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<v Speaker 3>way in which they deal on a daily basis with

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<v Speaker 3>these ghosts that they're each dealing with. So it is

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<v Speaker 3>just so absorbing and immediate and compelling. It feels so

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<v Speaker 3>lightly handled as it explores, you know, grief and dysfunction

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<v Speaker 3>and hope and relationships that I just find time stops

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<v Speaker 3>whenever I watched any of those episodes. You know, there's

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<v Speaker 3>so many ways of framing this show that do and

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<v Speaker 3>don't work. We saw it win so many Comedy Emmys

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<v Speaker 3>this year, and for people that expect comedy to look

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<v Speaker 3>a certain way that was not pleasing to them.

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<v Speaker 1>It might be the most tragic show to ever be

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<v Speaker 1>built as a comedy.

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<v Speaker 2>Though this is what we get.

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<v Speaker 1>This is herm. It feels appropriate to twenty twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>in some ways, it's true. Okay, So your fourth final

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<v Speaker 1>pick Sarah Chaos Camelinazus.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, she's right, the King of the Guards.

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<v Speaker 6>King of the Guards.

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<v Speaker 2>So I feel like this has been Jeff Goldbloom's big year.

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<v Speaker 3>He gets to be Zeus in Chaos, and he was

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<v Speaker 3>oz and wicked and just Jeff Goldbloom in both roles

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<v Speaker 3>very successfully. So it follows, you know, Jeff Goldbloom Zeus,

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<v Speaker 3>who becomes increasingly unhinged, and the interlaced fates of a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of gods and demigods and mortals as they each

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<v Speaker 3>face and interpret differently the same prophecy.

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<v Speaker 4>The line appears the Order Waynes, the Family, Fools and Chaos,

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<v Speaker 4>name a line appears.

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<v Speaker 2>You see this?

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<v Speaker 4>You see this? Nkal right here that this is vertical wrinkle. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 4>that's the line.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the line.

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<v Speaker 4>I discovered it just now. I'm supposed to be immortal.

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<v Speaker 4>How is that aging? What's next to dipping bone density?

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<v Speaker 4>Gummer session es, necessity for the daily student, prune the

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<v Speaker 4>Order Waynes, that's what it says.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, my friend, I'm waning.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm waning.

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<v Speaker 4>The humans act like they think.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Charlie Covell's creation, and it's dexterously doing new things

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<v Speaker 3>with these old classical material And I hadn't seen something

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<v Speaker 3>that was that steeped in genre here, you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>classical myth, but at the same time so original and

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<v Speaker 3>how it was putting it together and so every kind

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<v Speaker 3>of aspect of this show was really like astounding to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what I really liked about it was its ambition.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it made every single shot that it

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<v Speaker 1>aimed for, but I loved how high it ended, and

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<v Speaker 1>I also thought it was very funny. The way that

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<v Speaker 1>the Underworld in particular was conceived is this place of

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like interminable bureaucracy. I found very very funny.

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<v Speaker 3>We have this high, technicolor beautiful Elasian world of the

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<v Speaker 3>gods and Olympus, and then Creed does the mortal world

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<v Speaker 3>and everything looks like vaguely dusty and kind of grim,

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<v Speaker 3>and then the Underworld it is this desaturated, monochromatic, kind

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<v Speaker 3>of bureaucratic.

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<v Speaker 2>Hellscape, but in a familiar health.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's the hell of you know, the office place,

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<v Speaker 3>which is done just so gorgeously. So yeah, it felt

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<v Speaker 3>new in a way that was rare even in a

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<v Speaker 3>euro of great shows, and was packed with wonderful actors.

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<v Speaker 3>Misha Butler as Knaeus was just extraordinarily compelling, Aurora Perano

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<v Speaker 3>as Eurydice.

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<v Speaker 2>Susi Azadas one of the fates. It was a delight.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's chaos, and we'll be back with some honorable

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<v Speaker 1>mentions after this, So Sarah, before I let you go,

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<v Speaker 1>are there any other notable mentions? Any other excellent TV

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<v Speaker 1>that you've watched that you've liked to throw out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I wanted to say that this is an unlikely

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<v Speaker 3>Companions suggestion if you're into any of the stuff with

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<v Speaker 3>Chaos in terms of like reinventing genre or referencing genre.

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<v Speaker 2>Interior Chinatown, so that is on Disney.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Charles Hugh's creation is based on his novel and

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<v Speaker 3>it stars Jimmy O Yang and Ronnie Chang. It's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of always gesturing towards graphic novel sensibilities and video game

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<v Speaker 3>sensibilities and police procedural sensibilities in ways that are just

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<v Speaker 3>so meta and fun and engaging type of hit TDS

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<v Speaker 3>and executive producer. So if you're a fan of his work,

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<v Speaker 3>you can definitely see the kind of that trace. It's

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<v Speaker 3>particularly in the early episodes that's just been so fun

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<v Speaker 3>and again it feels very new and necessary. Somebody somewhere,

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<v Speaker 3>which I've only started like two weeks ago, Somebody somewhere

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<v Speaker 3>has this wonderful and for me, it was very unexpected

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<v Speaker 3>because again it seems to have gone under the radar,

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<v Speaker 3>the soaring lightness as it's dealing with these themes that

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<v Speaker 3>like are just about common humanity. I couldn't recommend that

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<v Speaker 3>one enough. And then Ripley I really loved. I just

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<v Speaker 3>found it gorgeously sinister. Again, this kind of monochromatic landscape

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<v Speaker 3>Italy in the summer thriller What more could you want?

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<v Speaker 2>That was a stand up for me as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I watched that, and then I went straight back

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<v Speaker 1>and watched the original film. Highly enjoyed both the experiences.

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<v Speaker 3>Than you and the relatch who knew that it was

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<v Speaker 3>such that Ripley would be a seemingly infinite text. I

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<v Speaker 3>look forward to the next reinterpretation of it. The look

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<v Speaker 3>iman a lot liked it, so that was good, And

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<v Speaker 3>I also liked the few, the Caupodi and the Swans.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's been again, reasonable minds have differed greatly.

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<v Speaker 3>I found it kind of had this soap opera charm,

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<v Speaker 3>or even like an actual operatic charm.

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<v Speaker 2>The period detail.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, it's a writer's movie in many ways. There's episode

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<v Speaker 3>four with James Baldwin. Just if you're a fan of

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<v Speaker 3>Capodi at all or New York in the fifties, sixties, seventies,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a wonderful immersive experience. It has certain narrative flaws,

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<v Speaker 3>But again, I think that would be a wonderful summer

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<v Speaker 3>watch and I'm actually gonna rewatch it myself.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, speaking of soap operas, you haven't mentioned territory.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I know, so this is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, well it's my favorites because you know, in no

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<v Speaker 1>small part because I grew up in the Northern Territory.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you put it as scripted or unscripted?

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<v Speaker 1>I just thought it was so much fun, so much Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>It has been a devastating year politically, and as devastating

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<v Speaker 7>it it has been, it has been a fabulous year

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<v Speaker 7>for our TV arts and entertainment, so you know we've

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<v Speaker 7>got that going for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah, thank you so much for your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Ruby seven Am will be back tomorrow as we explore

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<v Speaker 1>the best music of twenty twenty four.