Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Sherry,
Speaker 1: Happy Thursday. What a big and busy night I have
Speaker 1: for you this evening. Lots of debate.
Speaker 2: Can you know you think winner and loser in the
Speaker 2: weekend is Nigel Ferras joins us a little bit later.
Speaker 2: In a second, I'll go through what Peter Dutton had
Speaker 2: to say in his Budget and apply speech. It'll be
Speaker 2: written off as political, it'll be written offers not enough detail. No,
Speaker 2: it was a statement about values, and the values landed
Speaker 2: exactly where I think the bulk of the country is.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a moment. But the big
Speaker 2: news that excited a lot of people today and I
Speaker 2: won't like me too. We are going to get not one,
Speaker 2: but two debates between Donald Trump and Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm also pleased to say.
Speaker 2: That we have an exclusive for you at the start
Speaker 2: of the evening's program. In fact, we can cross live
Speaker 2: to the debate that has still been going on on
Speaker 2: the internet thanks to AI for the past four years.
Speaker 1: This is the Internet and what it thinks the debate
Speaker 1: will look like.
Speaker 3: Now, small folks gather around like adorable little ducklings. We
Speaker 3: just discovered their own cute little flappy wappies.
Speaker 1: It's time to get serious, but still gig along.
Speaker 3: We're here to discuss policies ideas for our future cutie
Speaker 3: pat twoties out there. So think about it, my fine
Speaker 3: feathered friends, while we can enjoy some hilarious escapades from
Speaker 3: animated kiddos on TV now and then.
Speaker 2: And speaking of falling down, Biden can barely stand upright
Speaker 2: without a teleprompter.
Speaker 1: The man needs more support than hunter. Biden, after a
Speaker 1: night out with his laptop, said, good, it's that.
Speaker 2: I don't know how they do it some computer somewhere,
Speaker 2: but since the twenty twenty election they have just been.
Speaker 1: Debating back and forth.
Speaker 2: I think it's on Twitch, one of the social media platforms.
Speaker 2: No doubt the ones in real life will be even
Speaker 2: more entertaining and at times perhaps his incoherent. All right, now,
Speaker 2: as you know, Jim Chalmers delivered too little, too light,
Speaker 2: and Australians know it in his budget that he delivered.
Speaker 2: Just a couple of nights ago, we've gone through through
Speaker 2: Uphill and down Dale, all of the details from the
Speaker 2: Goldberg Walk, as if he was a boxer going in
Speaker 2: to fight a main event ah, they laid it on
Speaker 2: so thick well. Tonight was the opportunity for the opposition
Speaker 2: to reply. Now, one of the great myths and misnomers
Speaker 2: about a budget and reply speech is that you're supposed
Speaker 2: to have all of the detail that the hundreds and
Speaker 2: hundreds of people in Treasury are put together for the
Speaker 2: government of the day, when the reality is it's the leader,
Speaker 2: the MPs and their staff who are cobbling together what
Speaker 2: they think should be the response to the budget. But
Speaker 2: what the budget and reply speech has given every opposition
Speaker 2: leader for as long as we have all been watching
Speaker 2: this process, it gives them an opportunity to speak to
Speaker 2: the country uninterrupted for about thirty minutes. Now if they
Speaker 2: give a major speech at the National Press Club, while
Speaker 2: that's televised, it's not the same as Prime Time on
Speaker 2: Sky News, the ABC, lots of other places. He had
Speaker 2: the opportunity to meet Australia where it is right now, because,
Speaker 2: as I've told you for how many months now, Australians believe,
Speaker 2: in fact half of Australians believe that we are headed
Speaker 2: in the wrong direction, that we are on the wrong track.
Speaker 2: Now that blue line is the wrong track, the red
Speaker 2: line is the right track. It was very early last
Speaker 2: year where the right track just pit the wrong track.
Speaker 2: But you can see where it's been for now the
Speaker 2: best part of a year at least. And this is
Speaker 2: a poll which comes out in the turbul Times. This
Speaker 2: is the data that the Guardian publishes, and it says
Speaker 2: that fifty percent of the country believes we're headed in
Speaker 2: the wrong direction. And that's where Peter Dutton knew that
Speaker 2: is challenged. Tonight be there at an early election, or
Speaker 2: if it goes full term, he'll get another chance next year.
Speaker 2: It's not just to present yourself as a credible prime minister,
Speaker 2: as a person who can deliver a speech, but it's
Speaker 2: also somebody who, as I say, understands where people are.
Speaker 2: And he delivered lots of hits on the existing budget,
Speaker 2: but he also had plenty of ideas about what would
Speaker 2: guide him as the Prime Minister of this country and
Speaker 2: as a person who's been sitting here every single night
Speaker 2: with you looking at how this government promised a big
Speaker 2: game and then just delivered nothing or went in the
Speaker 2: exact opposite direction. I thought Peter Dutton's opening was bang on.
Speaker 2: Almost two years ago. Prime Minister Albanezi was elected promising
Speaker 2: a reduction of two hundred and seventy five dollars each
Speaker 2: year in your power prices, cheaper mortgages, and that you
Speaker 2: would be better off under a labor government. All of
Speaker 2: those promises have been broken. Today millions of Australians are
Speaker 2: struggling to pay their bills. Even going to the supermarket
Speaker 2: and petrol station has become stressful for so many. Now
Speaker 2: the government will say, well, we saw all that stuff too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but the government is in the position to do things
Speaker 2: like all of those excise taxes I've talked about, from
Speaker 2: the taxes on beer and alcohol and tobacco and petrol.
Speaker 2: That are the things the government could do today to
Speaker 2: make things better. And also Peter Dutton quite correctly points
Speaker 2: out that this government is earning more revenue, well taking
Speaker 2: more revenue than any government in recent memory. Yet this
Speaker 2: spending has also exponentially increased, which is why if the
Speaker 2: revenue starts to dry up, we go into deficit, deep deficit.
Speaker 2: And even the Treasurer was saying that in this most
Speaker 2: recent budget. But are they going to make things worse
Speaker 2: with the decisions they have made in this budget? Understandably,
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton says yes, and who could disagree.
Speaker 4: In my twenty two years in Parliament, I've seen good
Speaker 4: and bad budgets, but the budget handed down on Tuesday
Speaker 4: night is one of the most irresponsible I've seen. The
Speaker 4: reason interest rates have gone up twelve times is because
Speaker 4: the government can't control its spending and because of its
Speaker 4: reckless policy. In three labor budgets, the government is lifted
Speaker 4: spending by staggering three hundred and fifteen billion dollars or
Speaker 4: thirty thousand dollars per Australian household.
Speaker 2: Now, I was at a mate's place last week and
Speaker 2: I got the chance to have a chat to my
Speaker 2: mate's parents. Good people, loyal viewers of this program. They
Speaker 2: know who they are shout out. But they were talking
Speaker 2: that they think that the number one issue in the
Speaker 2: country is the reality that people.
Speaker 1: Can't buy houses.
Speaker 2: And I've been thinking about it and ruminating about it
Speaker 2: ever since we had the conversation, because we have to
Speaker 2: have an actual conversation about something like housing, and obviously
Speaker 2: a part of that process is the number of people
Speaker 2: who are being brought into the country each and every year.
Speaker 2: Put simply, if there aren't enough houses, but you keep
Speaker 2: adding more people, will then guess what. At the very
Speaker 2: bottom end of things, people end up being booted out
Speaker 2: of their houses. And yes, I'll be talking about that
Speaker 2: in laborious detail moment or two time. But of course
Speaker 2: at the normal and the middle end too, the houses
Speaker 2: that you want to purchase your unable to do so
Speaker 2: because someone with more money, potentially coming in from overseas
Speaker 2: might be able to put up the hand and just
Speaker 2: blow you away. So I was relieved and intrigued to
Speaker 2: see that Peter Dutton tonight talked about housing and had
Speaker 2: some clear ideas in the first couple of years of
Speaker 2: him being Prime Minister, how it would be easier, ever
Speaker 2: so slightly, but still easier for the person you have
Speaker 2: in your family who you hope will be able to
Speaker 2: buy a house, to actually have an even shot at
Speaker 2: buying one.
Speaker 4: First, we will implement a two year ban on foreign
Speaker 4: investors and temporary residents purchasing existing homes in Australia. Secondly,
Speaker 4: we will reduce the permanent migration program by twenty five
Speaker 4: percent from one hundred and eighty five thousand to one
Speaker 4: hundred and forty thousand for the first two years in
Speaker 4: recognition of the urgency of the crisis. Third, we will
Speaker 4: reduce successive numbers of foreign students studying at metropolitan universities
Speaker 4: to relieve stress on rental markets in our major cities.
Speaker 2: Now again comparing contrast the people in the government who
Speaker 2: say nothing to see here, there's no problem or the
Speaker 2: only solution is that we have to take billions of
Speaker 2: dollars with the taxpayers money to go into housing. But
Speaker 2: that housing, of course is social housing. Now, I fully
Speaker 2: support huge investment in social housing because literally the old
Speaker 2: public housing, the old housing commissioners people would remember in
Speaker 2: places like New South Wales, the waiting list for it
Speaker 2: is sixty thousand people.
Speaker 1: So we do need to build that.
Speaker 2: But for your kids or your grandkids, how are they
Speaker 2: going to buy a home?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: I've just off the top of my head talked out
Speaker 2: loud about ideas that no doubt will be screened at.
Speaker 1: But what governments can do is.
Speaker 2: They can firstly take the number of bidders off the
Speaker 2: table who are competing with your kids at an auction.
Speaker 2: And we certainly know that there is an awful lot
Speaker 2: of money, billions of dollars in fact, that is being
Speaker 2: bittered up by people who are either representing somebody overseas
Speaker 2: or pretending that the kid here for UNI is the
Speaker 2: one who can actually afford the unit that your kids
Speaker 2: or your grandkids should be able to have an even
Speaker 2: shot at so good, he's leveling the playing field. There
Speaker 2: also crime. Now, there was a lot in his announcement tonight,
Speaker 2: and I think this was really interesting because he dealt
Speaker 2: with one of the great misconceptions of Peter Dutton is
Speaker 2: that Peter Dutton doesn't get the problems that women face
Speaker 2: in this country. But also on top of that he
Speaker 2: was able to and of course that's rubbish and garbage.
Speaker 2: As he spoke about in his speech, his time both
Speaker 2: as a police officer responding to domestic violence calls, all
Speaker 2: the way through to the time that he was the
Speaker 2: Home Affairs Minister coming up with ways to crack down
Speaker 2: on kiddie porn. He's always had this as a focus.
Speaker 2: It will be one of the key focuses of what
Speaker 2: he will take to an election and should he become
Speaker 2: the prime in this state. A key value and that's
Speaker 2: why I say say about politics is about values, value
Speaker 2: that he would bring to leadership in this country. He
Speaker 2: also had a couple of very solid, very clear ideas
Speaker 2: that will rule a line under the types of behavior
Speaker 2: that way too many people get involved with. Now, this
Speaker 2: is not a version of censoring the Internet. It's about
Speaker 2: saying that people who post videos of their crimes in
Speaker 2: order to get infamy from their crimes should not be
Speaker 2: allowed to do so.
Speaker 4: Australians are unsettled by crime on our streets, ruptures to
Speaker 4: our social cohesion and threats to our national security. The
Speaker 4: Coalition government will provide much needed leadership in tackling knife crime.
Speaker 1: We will work with.
Speaker 4: States and territories to develop uniform knife laws across all jurisdictions,
Speaker 4: laws which will give police the powers to stop and
Speaker 4: search using detective ones like q Queensland's Jack's Law. Recently,
Speaker 4: Molly Tyshurst, a twenty eight year old mother from New
Speaker 4: South Wales, was murdered because her violent ex partner was
Speaker 4: on bail. Our bail laws need to be tightened in
Speaker 4: this country. A Coalition government will make it in fence
Speaker 4: to use mobile phones and computer networks to cause an
Speaker 4: intimate partner or family member fear for their personal safety,
Speaker 4: to track them using spywear, or to engage in coercive behaviors.
Speaker 4: We will toughen the bail laws and apply to these
Speaker 4: that apply to these new Commonwealth offenses. There's been an
Speaker 4: uptick in young Australians committing crimes where they're filming and
Speaker 4: uploading their crimes to social media. A coalition government will
Speaker 4: make it an offense to post criminal acts online. Those
Speaker 4: convicted will be banned from using digital platforms and liable
Speaker 4: for up to two years imprisonment.
Speaker 2: That stuff is really important and that is the role
Speaker 2: that the federal government can play about the Telecommunications Act,
Speaker 2: about what you are allowed to do with devices. And
Speaker 2: at the moment there are too many people who use
Speaker 2: their devices and their electronic devices to threaten, intimidate and
Speaker 2: frankly stalk their partners. Again, who in the country would
Speaker 2: have a problem if that became law, and well, I
Speaker 2: hope the opportunity is that it's Peter Dutton and his
Speaker 2: government that would be able to introduce that law. If
Speaker 2: the government stole the idea word for word and did
Speaker 2: it tomorrow, I would congratulate them out of nothing else.
Speaker 2: In a political career full of many highlights and many
Speaker 2: tough decisions, this would be a legitimate change for the better.
Speaker 2: As for the final pitch, the beginnings of an attempt
Speaker 2: to get the country back on the right track, because
Speaker 2: of course it's on the wrong track.
Speaker 1: This was his closing statement.
Speaker 4: Are you better off today than you were two years ago?
Speaker 4: Do you feel safer or more secure than you did
Speaker 4: two years ago?
Speaker 1: When governments change, the country change.
Speaker 4: Australians can't afford another three years of the Alban easy
Speaker 4: labor government.
Speaker 1: Couldn't agree more.
Speaker 2: And let's be honest, even some of the most ardent
Speaker 2: supporters of left wing politics would have to agree. We've
Speaker 2: had twelve infrastraight rises since this bloke became the Prime minister.
Speaker 2: We have seen how many things go exponentially through the roof.
Speaker 2: Despite the fact that their promise was that they were
Speaker 2: going to do something about cost of living, we saw
Speaker 2: this week that their response to cost of living was
Speaker 2: to spend billions of dollars in taxpayers money to not
Speaker 2: actually improve anyone's life, but to buy them a slogan
Speaker 2: at an election. If this is a legitimate fight on values,
Speaker 2: it's going to be a close one. But I certainly
Speaker 2: believe that the Australian population, while it may change its
Speaker 2: views from time to time on social issues or the
Speaker 2: importance of environmental issues, where Peter Dutton was tonight is
Speaker 2: where Australians have always been, regardless of whether they have
Speaker 2: been here for many generations or they have just turned
Speaker 2: up last week. He didn't get into the concept of
Speaker 2: the fair go, but he did get into the idea
Speaker 2: about a fair Australia.
Speaker 1: I think this was a good speech. It was a
Speaker 1: speech about values. No doubt.
Speaker 2: The bubble within the bubble within the bubble will have
Speaker 2: its issues, but who cares. They're the gatekeepers of a
Speaker 2: political generation a long time ago. For anyone else who
Speaker 2: actually saw the speech tonight, they would see a bloke
Speaker 2: who is more in sync with them than the roosters,
Speaker 2: who are all just about their own power and their
Speaker 2: own mates in the current government. Meantime, the media, of course,
Speaker 2: was obsessed with the major announcement from the federal budget.
Speaker 1: Every household, regardless of income, will receive three hundred dollars
Speaker 1: off their energy bills.
Speaker 5: Three hundred dollar energy rebates to everyone.
Speaker 6: Every Australian household will save hundreds of dollars on their
Speaker 6: power bills.
Speaker 1: Yay.
Speaker 2: It's nineteen hundred dollars a yearnus yay. And of course
Speaker 2: the reality here is that it's not three hundred dollars
Speaker 2: they're sending you as a check that you'll be able
Speaker 2: to go and spend on something you really need to
Speaker 2: spend it on, as Andrew Clenell explains, and I'm showing
Speaker 2: this every night because I want everyone to understand.
Speaker 1: It's not three hundred dollars that you get in your hand.
Speaker 1: It's not cash.
Speaker 2: It is seventy five dollars every three months that the
Speaker 2: taxpayer is going to pay to power companies to drop
Speaker 2: your bill. Now, it'll be interesting to know whether a
Speaker 2: sideline of that is that they're going to put on
Speaker 2: everyone's power bill. Thanks to the Albaniz the government, this
Speaker 2: bill is seventy five dollars less than it should have been,
Speaker 2: to which most people will go, U huh, And you
Speaker 2: get seventy five a quarter all of us, you know,
Speaker 2: gena Ryan Hart gets.
Speaker 1: It, Twiggy Forest gets it, we all get it. Everyone
Speaker 1: watching gets it. And I think it just rolls pretty
Speaker 1: much straight onto your bill. Yes it does.
Speaker 2: And I'll get to the millionaire and billionaire side of
Speaker 2: this in a moment or two time. But what is
Speaker 2: fascinating is some of the spin that the government tried
Speaker 2: to put on all of this, that all of this
Speaker 2: was really about helping people when it came to the
Speaker 2: cost living, and Jim Chalmers was there on the ABC
Speaker 2: telling everyone and all the different post budgeting, Oh, this
Speaker 2: is the great idea. It's going to change people's lives.
Speaker 1: Are no.
Speaker 2: And guess who actually ended up telling the truth, the
Speaker 2: secret that the billions of dollars in taxpayers money that
Speaker 2: will not change anyone's life, will not change anyone's life. Well,
Speaker 2: Chris Bowen is the one who's actually turned around and
Speaker 2: said what the real deal is in all of this,
Speaker 2: because you know he's a genius playing three dimensional chess. Okay,
Speaker 2: he actually turned around and admitted that the reason why
Speaker 2: this is happening is because they're going to use taxpayers
Speaker 2: money to try to reduce inflation. Best case scenario, it'll
Speaker 2: be by half of one percent, but with inflation still
Speaker 2: well higher than half of one percent when it comes
Speaker 2: to the target range, it won't actually change the Reserve
Speaker 2: Bank's opinion about interest rates. So we're spending billions of
Speaker 2: dollars for this reason.
Speaker 5: You do that by spreading it across as many bills
Speaker 5: as you can, and you do that effectively by spreading
Speaker 5: it to every indigity bill in the country. You maximize
Speaker 5: the impact on inflation which will help the Reserve Bank
Speaker 5: in their job. And we sign this very carefully as
Speaker 5: to how it will maximize assistance to the Reserve Bank
Speaker 5: to ensure that they can do their job.
Speaker 2: Best case scenario, this much help. But then of course
Speaker 2: this isn't for all time, which means presumably when it
Speaker 2: runs out in twelve months time, this much goes back
Speaker 2: on top of whatever inflation apparently has slightly fallen back
Speaker 2: as a result of the policy.
Speaker 1: Again it's beatings of dollars.
Speaker 2: So they have a slogan to go to an election
Speaker 2: with now, people who are low information voters, well, they
Speaker 2: may will end up fall for it because you know,
Speaker 2: Labour's got slick ads and clever things, and you know
Speaker 2: a good or good music about any decision that is
Speaker 2: anything other than the government is magnificent. But the reality
Speaker 2: is that I think people's lived experience is going to
Speaker 2: be You can tell me logan as many times as
Speaker 2: you want. My interest rates have gone up twelve times
Speaker 2: since this bloke became Prime minister. Thirteen times. There was
Speaker 2: one just before the last election. People are having to
Speaker 2: find anywhere between fifteen and thirty even more one thousand
Speaker 2: dollars a year.
Speaker 1: To pay off their homes.
Speaker 2: The idea that magically everything's okay because there might be
Speaker 2: one changing interest rates. Well, really, that's like, as I've
Speaker 2: said before, the python is currently squeezing you, and you
Speaker 2: are the same color as rabina, like dark purple. Oh,
Speaker 2: but you're now mauve. You're still under the pump. And
Speaker 2: that's how people will view this budget. And also another
Speaker 2: bit of spin that has not even lasted the week
Speaker 2: since the budget, which is why does everyone have to
Speaker 2: get this? Why are all the people who could clearly
Speaker 2: afford their power bills? These are the people who demand
Speaker 2: we should spend a trillion dollars or more on a
Speaker 2: transition to green energy because they don't notice the cost
Speaker 2: of transition that comes via their bills. We're talking about
Speaker 2: and at times not so famous. Now, every time I
Speaker 2: say this, I have friends who saying, I'm stop bashing.
Speaker 1: Up the rich.
Speaker 2: Okay, certain rich people, certain rich people, but everyone in
Speaker 2: the country ends up getting the seventy five dollars. But
Speaker 2: of course, for obvious reasons, people who are well wouldn't
Speaker 2: even have seventy five dollars down the back of the couch.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they've got more than one hundred bucks back there. Well.
Speaker 2: Apparently the reason why they needed it, despite the fact
Speaker 2: they've got swimm pools and tennis courts, the reason they
Speaker 2: need the same supplement as somebody living in a wide
Speaker 2: bedroom unit in the western suburbs of insert capital city
Speaker 2: was because of this.
Speaker 7: First of all, I think these costs of living pressures
Speaker 7: go up and down the income scale. Yes, they fall
Speaker 7: disproportionately on the people on the lowest incomes and fixed incomes,
Speaker 7: and they are obviously our priority. But I think people
Speaker 7: are under the pump right around Australia.
Speaker 2: So everyone needs it because everyone's under the pump, including
Speaker 2: the people who clearly, let's be honest, seventy five dollars
Speaker 2: every three months they're done. They're not going to notice it.
Speaker 2: They don't even notice when the bill goes up by
Speaker 2: a thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Yet they all get it.
Speaker 2: People like Dick Smith have turned around and said, no,
Speaker 2: this place, we're going to donate all of this. Plenty
Speaker 2: of other significant Australians have also come out and said no,
Speaker 2: I don't need this. Please, if you're going to do
Speaker 2: it for anyone, focusing on the people who.
Speaker 1: Actually need it.
Speaker 2: But guess what the reason everyone got it was because
Speaker 2: everyone's feeling the pain was the spin. Well two days
Speaker 2: later we learn that the reason everyone is going to
Speaker 2: get this apart from the fact that where they're spending
Speaker 2: billions of dollars so they can create a slogan that
Speaker 2: every household gets the help. By their own admission, it's
Speaker 2: too costly to means tested. What does that even mean.
Speaker 2: The idea that it is cheaper to send a credit
Speaker 2: to the power company for every single house in the
Speaker 2: country is cheaper than working out if the house needs
Speaker 2: it or not. And even the ones who need it,
Speaker 2: it's so small you don't notice.
Speaker 1: And by the way, energy.
Speaker 2: Bills are about to go up again just two weeks ago.
Speaker 2: This was the announcement from the energy regulator. So even
Speaker 2: the seventy five dollars that's posted to help you every
Speaker 2: three months is going to be eaten up by.
Speaker 1: What's about to go up in the next little while.
Speaker 2: Today news from the economy was more people are unemployed
Speaker 2: and here unemployment is hotter bit of.
Speaker 8: A surprise jump in unemployment.
Speaker 9: It rose to four point one percent last month, up
Speaker 9: from a revised three point nine percent in March.
Speaker 7: Just two days after the federal budget warned unemployment would rise.
Speaker 1: It has now. Apparently this is good for the economy
Speaker 1: because there's.
Speaker 2: A chance that if there was going to be an
Speaker 2: increase in the interest rates because of the inflationary spending
Speaker 2: of the federal budget, there is a chance that now
Speaker 2: won't happen, you know, one hand, the other all the
Speaker 2: rest of it. In fact, somebody is smarter than we
Speaker 2: could explain it.
Speaker 7: Australia's unemployment rates has jumped higher than expected in April,
Speaker 7: which could be good news for interest rates.
Speaker 2: Yes, but that good news for interest rates, it comes
Speaker 2: at a cost, Like everything, does you know, a little here,
Speaker 2: a little there. If we get where the budget is
Speaker 2: predicting us to get to, which is say four and
Speaker 2: a half percent unemployment rate, that means between now and
Speaker 2: next budget, one hundred and three thousand and six hundred
Speaker 2: people have to lose their jobs for the government to
Speaker 2: be able to say, oh, isn't it amazing we kept
Speaker 2: unemployment where we promised it. Okay, good footy stadium of people.
Speaker 2: More than that's the MCG Seriously, all.
Speaker 1: Right, I hope you're comfortable, because I've got a bit
Speaker 1: on this now.
Speaker 2: Last night, while we're around the air, I saw that
Speaker 2: the story which made it to the front page of
Speaker 2: the Daily Telegraph today had dropped.
Speaker 1: I heard it in the late debate and I have
Speaker 1: been waiting to talk about this all day, all.
Speaker 2: Day because, as you know, Anthony Abnezi is apparently getting
Speaker 2: ready to sell a house in the in a west
Speaker 2: of Sydney and a bloke has been living in it
Speaker 2: for some period of time. He says that this is
Speaker 2: the reason he was given.
Speaker 9: We're so disruptive when you get in viction notice. I
Speaker 9: know all landowners are entitled to do that, it just
Speaker 9: reaks absolute havoc. At the moment, you know, we're dealing
Speaker 9: with cost of living crisis, probably the worst rental crisis certainly,
Speaker 9: and I can remember in Sydney we've got a massive
Speaker 9: shortage of properties and options are pretty limited.
Speaker 1: And that's true.
Speaker 2: But the reason I decided to talk about this in
Speaker 2: some detail tonight, it's because it is the perfect microcosm
Speaker 2: of what a lot of people face when it comes
Speaker 2: to the problems of the rental market. That if you're
Speaker 2: in a rental property, you're just holding on. If the
Speaker 2: owner decides to sell, which of course they're completely allowed
Speaker 2: to do, there's nowhere nearby to go and get another
Speaker 2: rental place. Why because you're competing with all of those
Speaker 2: extra people that, in this case, your landlord has brought
Speaker 2: into the country over the past couple of years.
Speaker 1: But I really want.
Speaker 2: To talk about what I think is one of those
Speaker 2: moments where people who listened to FM radio and love
Speaker 2: watching shows like Tipping Point Good Luck to You, there
Speaker 2: are sometimes political stories.
Speaker 1: That really puncture and they get at and they go,
Speaker 1: hang on, what.
Speaker 2: The leader who's telling me they're so amazing and helping
Speaker 2: with everything is actually somebody who doesn't care about me,
Speaker 2: and in fact he's doing something pretty nasty. On Radio
Speaker 2: National this morning, the Prime Minister was playing a home
Speaker 2: game and right at the end Auntie p K decided
Speaker 2: to ask the Prime Minister about why he is doing this,
Speaker 2: and this was his reason.
Speaker 10: I have, I think, been a good owner of the property.
Speaker 10: He's paid around about half what the market rental is.
Speaker 10: I kept that situation there post COVID when the rent
Speaker 10: were substantially reduced. I've had changes in my life.
Speaker 2: I've had changes in my life now, without getting too personal,
Speaker 2: if we're talking here about a scenario where the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister who got divorced a couple of years ago, that's
Speaker 2: the reason he's got to sell, well, that would have
Speaker 2: happened back then, right, Instead, his life circumstances have changed.
Speaker 2: What life circumstances have changed for the Prime minister that
Speaker 2: he needs to sell this house right now? He's hardly
Speaker 2: on the bones of his backside. We know he's got
Speaker 2: other investment properties, and we all know that he's earning
Speaker 2: a pretty penny.
Speaker 10: But continue, I wish him well, but I am allowed
Speaker 10: to make changes which are a direct result of the
Speaker 10: changes that have happened in my life from where I
Speaker 10: was ten years ago with my formal life and family.
Speaker 2: Yes, but as anyone who is aware of how divorce works,
Speaker 2: you sell the house while you're getting divorced, and that
Speaker 2: again didn't happen just last week. But again I don't
Speaker 2: know that personal situation. I don't know who's on the bill.
Speaker 2: But the Prime Minster talks again about his circumstances have changed. Now,
Speaker 2: I understand why investment property owners sometimes have to get
Speaker 2: rid of the property because either the interest rates too high.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be hilarious if it's the reason. But of course,
Speaker 2: for this Prime minister, he's earning half a million bucks.
Speaker 2: He's living in not one but two houses that we
Speaker 2: pay for. He's living in the Lodge, a mansion in
Speaker 2: Canberra and a mansion that he has to his availability
Speaker 2: in Sydney. So exactly what is the changing circumstance that
Speaker 2: means he has to boot the bloke out of the house, well,
Speaker 2: other than he wants to sell the house because he
Speaker 2: wants to do something with the money, which again is
Speaker 2: his right. But still, of all of the people who
Speaker 2: make the choice to sell their investment property, the guy
Speaker 2: who's living in two taxpayer funded mansions earning half a
Speaker 2: million dollars with a private plane that your nickname after
Speaker 2: your dog is not exactly the bloke who urgently needs
Speaker 2: to flush people into a rental market that in the
Speaker 2: Inner West of Sydney is even worse than the country average,
Speaker 2: and even worse than the Sydney average, which in terms
Speaker 2: of housing availability is about one point seven percent of
Speaker 2: all of the housing stock in all of Sydney that
Speaker 2: is actually available for rent. It is even worse. I
Speaker 2: think it's about one two to one point one in
Speaker 2: this particular area, so he knows what he's doing, he
Speaker 2: just doesn't care. And I think that's what starts to
Speaker 2: connect with people that a bloke who doesn't need to
Speaker 2: sell this house instead is just choosing to sell this house.
Speaker 1: And pushes this blokeout.
Speaker 2: But again, is the guy who's trying to pretend that
Speaker 2: he really cares about people like this guy if they
Speaker 2: were renting a house from anyone else, It doesn't quite
Speaker 2: match up.
Speaker 1: This is where the green's coming.
Speaker 11: I've seen some people say, well, this isn't a story.
Speaker 11: The reason this is a story is because this is
Speaker 11: a demonstration of who runs this country. We have got
Speaker 11: millions of renters right now being smashed by a rental crisis,
Speaker 11: and he have a property investor prime minister leading a
Speaker 11: party where seventy five percent of labor members are property
Speaker 11: investors and sixty five percent of Coalition members are property investors,
Speaker 11: and they're calling the shots.
Speaker 2: There's another aspect of all of this that gives us
Speaker 2: a little bit of an insight into the true personality
Speaker 2: of the Prime minister, the bloke who supposedly was more
Speaker 2: compassionate because of his background.
Speaker 1: But you can see a pretty nasty streak.
Speaker 2: Because all of this has been made public, we know
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister can blow up like the best of them.
Speaker 2: And now the bloke that's in his sites because he's
Speaker 2: gone public is the guy that's going to get booted out.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: He of course, like a good little left he said,
Speaker 2: I've supported the Prime Minister, I voted for the Prime minister.
Speaker 2: But still it's not going to matter, right, He's now
Speaker 2: embarrassed the Prime Minister, which means going to cop it.
Speaker 1: So there was one.
Speaker 2: Thing in the Prime Minister's statement about this bloke that
Speaker 2: I noticed because it was familiar. It's a very passive,
Speaker 2: aggressive thing where if you were reading a transcript back
Speaker 2: to a court, you look compassionate, but it's not.
Speaker 10: I wish him well, you see.
Speaker 1: It's just a way of saying, see you later. Where
Speaker 1: have I heard this before?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: Remember when the Prime Minister made the organizer of a
Speaker 2: domestics violence rally cry her friends all around her. What
Speaker 2: exactly did he say about her after she had embarrassed
Speaker 2: him by calling him a liar.
Speaker 10: I with regard to Sarah, I wish her well.
Speaker 12: I wish shrewell.
Speaker 1: Ah, he wishes you well. That's very important, isn't it.
Speaker 2: No, it's basically you screwed me over by embarrassing me.
Speaker 2: So I wish you well, but I don't wish you well.
Speaker 2: Get away from me and get ready for a pack
Speaker 2: to start hunting you. And you see, just like when
Speaker 2: it came to the woman at that domestic violence rally,
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's mates in the media, well, they come
Speaker 2: out in spades to defend the Prime minister. Remember, despite
Speaker 2: the fact that you could see the lady crying at
Speaker 2: the rally, they were out and about telling us, well,
Speaker 2: if you actually look at the tape, the prime Minister's
Speaker 2: actually off the hook. No, the lady's still crying. Remember,
Speaker 2: even the Prime Minister saying, look at the tape. Look
Speaker 2: at the tape. It exonerates me. Yeah, we have seen
Speaker 2: the tape of the woman crying.
Speaker 1: Yet he says, you can look at it. You work
Speaker 1: at sky Evan can look at it. Yeah, we can
Speaker 1: look at the tape.
Speaker 6: Here it is again.
Speaker 2: You see again, this is what this bloke thinks. This
Speaker 2: is what this guy thinks. I can just pretend you
Speaker 2: didn't see it. I wish you well. My life circumstances
Speaker 2: have changed, so I've got to sell the one point
Speaker 2: nine million dollar joint, however much it's worth, because i.
Speaker 1: Just want the money. He's in two taxpayer funded houses
Speaker 1: that he assumes he'll be living in for the next ten.
Speaker 2: Years because he's a somewhat popular as he thinks prime minister.
Speaker 1: And I've got to say, how did the Prime.
Speaker 2: Minister come up with the I wish him well line?
Speaker 2: And my life circumstances have changed. You think one of
Speaker 2: the eleven people who work as the personal media people
Speaker 2: of the Prime minister would have given him better advice,
Speaker 2: like I'm not going to talk about this publicly. I'm
Speaker 2: going to ring the bloke cock call him later today,
Speaker 2: see you later.
Speaker 1: Not interested, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Instead, because he crossed him, he now wishes him well.
Speaker 1: Well, thankfully.
Speaker 2: Rather than people being able to see into the real
Speaker 2: life actions of a prime minister who is not sintillary
Speaker 2: as compassion as he pretends to be, the Left had
Speaker 2: something else to explode about the former prime minister met
Speaker 2: with the former president in New York and.
Speaker 6: Then heads flewed. That is the real outrage. That is
Speaker 6: the real outrage.
Speaker 2: OSSI stunned by Scomo's Trump post SMH God help us.
Speaker 2: Morrison cozying up to Trump is weird, but it could
Speaker 2: soon get even weirder. And okay, lefties, if that Pharto
Speaker 2: sent you crazy one more time, this will send you
Speaker 2: a loopie. I told the team just find people running
Speaker 2: out of the theater. I thought it was gonna be
Speaker 2: like one second. I love how long that win because
Speaker 2: that's the explosions. And now because I've course pointed out
Speaker 2: the media team around the Prime Minister, the narratives, the
Speaker 2: people that are covering up. We all know what's going
Speaker 2: to happen. Now they turn around and come for us. Well,
Speaker 2: it's not like we're not expecting it. Quick breakback with more.
Speaker 2: We're going to find ou who's a winner and loser
Speaker 2: of the week, will debate some of the other issues
Speaker 2: around our panels, thoughts when it comes to what's happening
Speaker 2: with Peter Dutton' speech, and a whole lot more. Nigel
Speaker 2: Farage as well, just getting started. Thanks for watching Fort
Speaker 2: Murray Live.
Speaker 10: On on Thursday.
Speaker 2: Nigel Faraj in a couple of seconds, but right now
Speaker 2: a chat with two big brain ladies about the issues
Speaker 2: that are around right now. Emily Die of course works
Speaker 2: for the Center of Independent Studies, so always good to
Speaker 2: have her in the man cave, as is our dear
Speaker 2: friend Linda Scott excited budget week, we'll all solved all
Speaker 2: the problems and of course Peter Dutton in reply, a
Speaker 2: sign of a horrible Trumpist government to come. What did
Speaker 2: you think of the response?
Speaker 13: I mean, look, if only there was as much vision
Speaker 13: as Donald Trump has. It's just sort of nothing. Wasn't
Speaker 13: there No new ideas, just repeating the whole sort of
Speaker 13: law and order themes that he's been talking about as
Speaker 13: a Queensland cop since he's been in Parliament for a
Speaker 13: very long time. Really nothing new.
Speaker 1: Didn't get you there, Emily, what about you?
Speaker 8: I thought it was so cautious. I was really disappointed
Speaker 8: that the Coalition has taken such a soft response to
Speaker 8: the changes to Stage three tax cuts and those broken promises.
Speaker 8: I think that they should have come out much stronger
Speaker 8: and said, hey, actually the wealthier people are being underrepresented,
Speaker 8: they are being undercompensated for bracket creep. We're not compensating
Speaker 8: for the bracket creep that's occurred over the time period.
Speaker 8: And so they're like, yeah, yeah, the changes are fine.
Speaker 8: The cutting, the gutting, it is fine, if you have
Speaker 8: a certain wealth group, you'll never get a tax that
Speaker 8: you never get to be compensated for bracket creep and
Speaker 8: that's okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you'll get, you know, seventy five dollars every
Speaker 2: three months on a.
Speaker 1: Power bill if you're sitting and rolling around you mentioned now.
Speaker 2: Today there's on multiple fronts a conversation of labor MP's
Speaker 2: and senators that have come forward and said pretty direct
Speaker 2: stuff that is either in support of the protests that
Speaker 2: have taken place or outright attacks on Israel for its
Speaker 2: response to what has happened in October the seventh. In
Speaker 2: the New South Wales example, again without boring you here,
Speaker 2: all of the extra jobs apart from being the back
Speaker 2: bench have been taken away from the one in New
Speaker 2: South Wales. The senator from Westerland, Australia well, albows, wave
Speaker 2: the finger, but she's very junior in the first term,
Speaker 2: so there's nothing to take.
Speaker 1: Off from her. So emily free speech or crossing the line?
Speaker 1: Do you think of these?
Speaker 8: I mean, I've already outed myself as being very pro speech.
Speaker 8: I think that we should be having debate. I think
Speaker 8: that they haven't crossed the line. This is actually shameless
Speaker 8: pluged this cis that we had an event last night
Speaker 8: that it was using all of the words that are
Speaker 8: the offensive words. It was John Meesheimer. He said the
Speaker 8: Jena slide word, he said the Apartheyd word, he said
Speaker 8: ethnic cleansing. And this is a debate series we're doing.
Speaker 8: We'll have the other side coming up next month so
Speaker 8: that both sides can speak. But I think it's really
Speaker 8: important to let people voice their ideas, especially our parliamentarians,
Speaker 8: especially people in government. They should be allowed to be vocal,
Speaker 8: they should be allowed to be bored, and we should
Speaker 8: combat them on their arguments.
Speaker 14: But also, I mean, Linda, there's a responsibility here, right,
Speaker 14: And the responsibility I think is that your ultimate expertise
Speaker 14: is in the constituency you represent.
Speaker 1: Ie.
Speaker 2: I know, as a counselor, I'm an expert in having
Speaker 2: an opinion about the area that I represent.
Speaker 1: Do you have opinions about other things? Sure, because you're
Speaker 1: a human being.
Speaker 2: But it seems to me that where these people are
Speaker 2: going to get themselves in trouble apart from where they
Speaker 2: land on.
Speaker 1: The issue, is in my view, kind of way out
Speaker 1: of their lane.
Speaker 2: Trying to fix intractable problems on the other side of
Speaker 2: the world, and the response is going to be from
Speaker 2: their leaders, get back in your lane.
Speaker 13: Well, look, I think, as I said to Michael Krager
Speaker 13: last night last week, sorry, what Australians want to see
Speaker 13: is their leaders trying to promote and support harmony, bringing
Speaker 13: communities together, showing leadership to stop the division. And so
Speaker 13: I do think these two comments by two Labor members
Speaker 13: in the New Southwalest Parliament and in the Federal Parliament
Speaker 13: were unhelpful. When you've got everyone in leadership positions in
Speaker 13: labor governments across the country trying to promote harmony and
Speaker 13: peace and bringing people together. It's not to say there's
Speaker 13: not global significant tensions. It's not to say that people
Speaker 13: don't have opinions that they can't voice. But what people
Speaker 13: want right now, in particular, is the promotion of leadership
Speaker 13: and harmony. I do want to call out, though, Paul,
Speaker 13: because I think it is correct to say that there
Speaker 13: is a difference. I do want to call out that.
Speaker 13: In the New South Wales example, Anthony Diadam as a
Speaker 13: Parliamentary secretary, is part of a leadership group of the government.
Speaker 13: He's a man who stood up in the New South
Speaker 13: Wales Parliament and attacked a female public servant. I think
Speaker 13: I do think that is especially disappointing and it's not
Speaker 13: reflective of the kinds of values that I would want
Speaker 13: to see in a labor government.
Speaker 2: Well again, what we would hope is that that the
Speaker 2: minister's parliamentary secret is all of that. Well, of course
Speaker 2: they're chosen by the leader to be the people who
Speaker 2: represent their vision for the state or the country. Of course,
Speaker 2: in the Labor Party they're given the list of people
Speaker 2: and then you have to find jobs for them. So
Speaker 2: there's sort of factional things on it. But it is
Speaker 2: interesting that, you know, Labor never breaks ranks, but if
Speaker 2: you're going to break ranks like this, and particularly in
Speaker 2: this fashion, we'll all see what happens.
Speaker 1: I'm liking this speed round. By the way.
Speaker 2: One of the suggestions being discussed in Victoria at the
Speaker 2: moment is that maybe they have to get rid of
Speaker 2: the number of golf courses in Victoria and replace them
Speaker 2: with houses.
Speaker 1: What do you reckon?
Speaker 8: I mean, you're never going to catch me saying no
Speaker 8: to more housing supply, that's it. I don't think that
Speaker 8: that's necessarily the best option. I think we need to
Speaker 8: reform our zoning more brightly, and it needs to be
Speaker 8: our single family zoning. It needs to be upscaled to
Speaker 8: mid size. We need to have more townhouses, more mid
Speaker 8: density apartments. The mid density should be upscaled to high density.
Speaker 8: I think putting golf courses at the center, making this
Speaker 8: a big fight in these green spaces maybe counterproductive to
Speaker 8: the people that are wanting to see change. That said, like,
Speaker 8: I'm not totally sympathetic to the idea of this reserved
Speaker 8: golf course green space for only people that are able
Speaker 8: to be members of the club and are of a
Speaker 8: certain wealthy elite, and that's stopping people from being able
Speaker 8: to have home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: In terms of private I mean the public golf courses,
Speaker 2: which is in part what the City of Sydney is
Speaker 2: discussing about whether it's eighteen or it's nine. You know again,
Speaker 2: I get the golfers, and I know the people are
Speaker 2: going to be angry at the mere suggestion of this stuff,
Speaker 2: But I'm intrigued about where the line is between you
Speaker 2: know what, every other sport has a space. Funnily enough,
Speaker 2: golf needs quite a lot of space for its sport.
Speaker 2: And yes, there's public private clubs, but there has to
Speaker 2: be public access otherwise it is just you know, sort
Speaker 2: of polo in the city and I don't think any
Speaker 2: of us want that for our countries.
Speaker 1: But what do you reckon?
Speaker 13: Look, there's nothing that gets people more hot under the
Speaker 13: collar than a debate about a golf course. And I
Speaker 13: should know this as a counselor. But yeah, of course,
Speaker 13: in the city of Sydney, we've worked with the New
Speaker 13: South Wales state government basically to have some catch up
Speaker 13: on green space. So the more part golf course will
Speaker 13: be half from eighteen to nine holes. That's a state
Speaker 13: government lease decision, and that will open up more open
Speaker 13: green space for the surrounding suburbs in places like Green Square,
Speaker 13: which are the densest part of Australia, and not just
Speaker 13: by a little bit. We're doing, you know, hundreds and
Speaker 13: hundreds and hundreds of new apartments, sixty thousand residents, really
Speaker 13: dense and we do need some green space catchup. That said,
Speaker 13: just next door in the Inner West, we've had a
Speaker 13: labor mayor, Darcy Byrne, starkly oppose the shutting down of
Speaker 13: a golf course. I mean, look, you'd expect me to
Speaker 13: say this poor Murray. But it's why local.
Speaker 1: That's only when I'm in trouble. That's why local government
Speaker 1: decision maker, just.
Speaker 13: Because it's important that local factors come into play here.
Speaker 13: And I don't think there's sort of one international answer
Speaker 13: about shutting down the golf courses to solve housing affordability.
Speaker 13: Different things apply in different.
Speaker 2: All winners and losers. Let's go bumper stickers. Who's you
Speaker 2: winner loser this week?
Speaker 8: Winner's probably actually Gina Ryan Hurrit. She's done very well
Speaker 8: in this budget. The mate in Australia, I think is
Speaker 8: a really terrible idea that is is isolationist. It is
Speaker 8: encouraging more more mining. We're not having the best people
Speaker 8: doing the best things. And so we're talking about all
Speaker 8: of the screen stuff we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Andrew Forest is more excited about.
Speaker 8: Forest is also very happy about all of the energy proposals.
Speaker 8: I think those are our two big winners. The loser
Speaker 8: is going to be Jim Thomas. I think this is
Speaker 8: a budget that is not good for young people. Ultimately,
Speaker 8: it's going to increase the data sit in the long run,
Speaker 8: and that's going to hurt young people with the high
Speaker 8: dat good stuff, lovely.
Speaker 13: Chat look when it is Jim Channer's I think he
Speaker 13: obviously delivered a brilliant budget but loses and we are
Speaker 13: a bit disappointed about this. Are local governments. We were
Speaker 13: looking for more funding in the federal budget and we
Speaker 13: were disappointed to see the government not deliver on their
Speaker 13: promise of fair increases for local government.
Speaker 1: Good stuff. Thank you guys, do appreciate haveing a wonderful weekend.
Speaker 1: Quick break. Nigel Ferras Nigel Farrage.
Speaker 2: Is next a We're going to talk about Trump and
Speaker 2: Biden debates.
Speaker 1: Monessy.
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Speaker 2: Big stuff around the world to talk about with Niger Ferras,
Speaker 2: who joins us now from London. Great man, love you
Speaker 2: to see you.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: So Trump versus Biden not one but two debates. Trump
Speaker 2: is saying there should be a third involving Fox News.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot a lot of reasons why
Speaker 2: both of them need to be there. But what do
Speaker 2: you think about the prospect of the clash.
Speaker 12: Well, last time round, we had the first debate much
Speaker 12: later on, within two days, Trump was diagnosed with COVID.
Speaker 1: He wasn't on his game.
Speaker 12: But the time of the second debate, and this is crucial,
Speaker 12: but the time of the second debate when Trump trouts
Speaker 12: Biden and everyone agreed on that, by then one hundred
Speaker 12: million Americans had already voted. So the value of the
Speaker 12: big head to head debate, this centerpiece of American elections.
Speaker 12: Ever since Nixon debated Kennedy over sixty years ago, the
Speaker 12: effect was diminished. So the timetable June September is perfect.
Speaker 12: It gives, well, it actually gives both candidate. It's a
Speaker 12: chance to get their message out before these ridiculous tens
Speaker 12: of millions of mail out ballots still happen. The terms
Speaker 12: are very much on Biden's terms. I mean, it's going
Speaker 12: to be cn in vigilating. Trump's microphone will be turned
Speaker 12: off when Biden's talking. And the worst part of it,
Speaker 12: of course, is no live audience. And that's a shame
Speaker 12: because I think, you know, good programmers can get a
Speaker 12: neutral audience in a studio and how they react and
Speaker 12: respond is rather important. So it's it's kind of a
Speaker 12: watered down debate, but it is happening at the right time.
Speaker 12: I do think a third one later on would be
Speaker 12: a good idea. But look, from my friend Donald's perspective,
Speaker 12: this is better than nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, obviously, the reason Biden is going anywhere
Speaker 2: near this or trying to create what he has been
Speaker 2: able to create about the context of the debate, he's losing,
Speaker 2: Like currently on the poles, he is losing, and he
Speaker 2: is losing in enough of the significant areas, and the
Speaker 2: story of him losing is rolling and gathering more and
Speaker 2: more momentum. So I think it's legitimately an attempt to
Speaker 2: change the sub and also to create a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of sort of get out of jail moments where we're
Speaker 2: not gonna have a conversation about replacing the candidate because
Speaker 2: there's a debate coming up and then there's another one
Speaker 2: coming up and then it'll.
Speaker 6: Be too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 12: And also, don't forget this week, you know, major speech
Speaker 12: from Biden about unfair trade from China or should I
Speaker 12: say China, and you know he's.
Speaker 1: Going to put tariffs on etc.
Speaker 12: Very much, you know, straight out of the Trump playbook.
Speaker 12: So I think what we're seeing here is a very worried, very.
Speaker 1: Frightened Joe Biden.
Speaker 12: I think you'll write about maintaining his position after the convention,
Speaker 12: which will take place in August, worried that somebody might,
Speaker 12: you know, somebody at the party might try and get
Speaker 12: him replaced at that event. He's in trouble. But I've
Speaker 12: got a good tip. Excuse me, sorry, no, no, I've
Speaker 12: got a very good tip. Got a very good tip
Speaker 12: for your viewers.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 12: Now, Look, I know we're not supposed to encourage gambling,
Speaker 12: and you can't do it, but yes, yesterday I chat
Speaker 12: with the book makers and Trump was Evan's. And if
Speaker 12: you don't bat, fine, if you do, Matt, I'll tell
Speaker 12: you what, boys and girls, it's a great price.
Speaker 1: I'm on. I love it, fantastic. All right.
Speaker 2: Also, let's talk about the other thing, which of course
Speaker 2: is the courtroom.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: One of the reasons why I think it's also advantageous
Speaker 2: for Trump to say yes, I'm in, is because should
Speaker 2: we get to the result he doesn't want and a
Speaker 2: judge's got to work out sentencing. A little difficult to
Speaker 2: slot somebody when you know they've got a presidential debate
Speaker 2: coming up. Rather than just the presidential election in November.
Speaker 2: But still Michael Cohen, the lawyer who has told many
Speaker 2: lies to many organizations, who even Maggie Hayman in the
Speaker 2: New York Times says, has not proven the case that
Speaker 2: Trump directed or knew how the bookkeeping was working. He's
Speaker 2: under cross examination again. It happens in a couple of hours.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, you know, as you say, it's not
Speaker 12: Michael Cohen, lawyer, Michael Covin liar. And everyone knows that.
Speaker 12: Everyone knows the guy's a liar. He's got a very
Speaker 12: bad reputation. He's not helping himself. And you know the
Speaker 12: idea that Donald Trump did the books and looked at
Speaker 12: the menu, shi, I mean, it's for the birds. Trump's
Speaker 12: a big picture guy. And as you say, the case
Speaker 12: hasn't been proven. There is just about zero chance whatever
Speaker 12: the jury find, just about zero chance of a custodial sentence.
Speaker 12: It's not registering in Middle America in any way at all.
Speaker 1: You know, is.
Speaker 12: Trump flawed on a personal level, Well, everyone knows he is,
Speaker 12: but they don't care. What they're looking for is strong leadership.
Speaker 12: That's why he's doing as well in the polls as
Speaker 12: he is that's why he is going to win on
Speaker 12: November the fifth, whatever.
Speaker 2: Happens, said, they have only got a minute to talk
Speaker 2: about the big news surrounding yourself and the Reform Party.
Speaker 2: But you may well end up just wiping out the Conservatives.
Speaker 12: The Conservatives. Oh I remember, that's right, we used to have. Yeah,
Speaker 12: I'm sorry you completely nonplus me there. You mean do
Speaker 12: you mean the high tax, big regulation, massive immigration people
Speaker 12: that masquerade in number ten at the moment as conservatives.
Speaker 1: That's obviously what.
Speaker 12: You're referring to. No, no, no, no, no, no no. They don't
Speaker 12: need my help to wipe themselves out, the absolute contempt
Speaker 12: which a huge number of the British public now view them.
Speaker 12: After all the promises they've made in twenty nineteen on
Speaker 12: the back of a big Brexit vote that they have
Speaker 12: actively portrayed. With or without my help, they are doomed.
Speaker 2: Good stuff, Thank you, mate, I do appreciated the great
Speaker 2: Nagel Faraja of course joining us each and every week.
Speaker 2: That's our show for the week. We look forward to
Speaker 2: seeing you again next week. We'll be here on Sunday night.
Speaker 2: Have a great weekend and go Yankees.
Speaker 8: Goo tiny