WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 16 May

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Sherry,

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Thursday. What a big and busy night I have

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<v Speaker 1>for you this evening. Lots of debate.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you know you think winner and loser in the

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<v Speaker 2>weekend is Nigel Ferras joins us a little bit later.

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<v Speaker 2>In a second, I'll go through what Peter Dutton had

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<v Speaker 2>to say in his Budget and apply speech. It'll be

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<v Speaker 2>written off as political, it'll be written offers not enough detail. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a statement about values, and the values landed

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<v Speaker 2>exactly where I think the bulk of the country is.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get to that in a moment. But the big

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<v Speaker 2>news that excited a lot of people today and I

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<v Speaker 2>won't like me too. We are going to get not one,

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<v Speaker 2>but two debates between Donald Trump and Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I'm also pleased to say.

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<v Speaker 2>That we have an exclusive for you at the start

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<v Speaker 2>of the evening's program. In fact, we can cross live

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<v Speaker 2>to the debate that has still been going on on

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<v Speaker 2>the internet thanks to AI for the past four years.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Internet and what it thinks the debate

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<v Speaker 1>will look like.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, small folks gather around like adorable little ducklings. We

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<v Speaker 3>just discovered their own cute little flappy wappies.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time to get serious, but still gig along.

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<v Speaker 3>We're here to discuss policies ideas for our future cutie

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<v Speaker 3>pat twoties out there. So think about it, my fine

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<v Speaker 3>feathered friends, while we can enjoy some hilarious escapades from

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<v Speaker 3>animated kiddos on TV now and then.

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<v Speaker 2>And speaking of falling down, Biden can barely stand upright

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<v Speaker 2>without a teleprompter.

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<v Speaker 1>The man needs more support than hunter. Biden, after a

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<v Speaker 1>night out with his laptop, said, good, it's that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how they do it some computer somewhere,

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<v Speaker 2>but since the twenty twenty election they have just been.

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<v Speaker 1>Debating back and forth.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's on Twitch, one of the social media platforms.

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<v Speaker 2>No doubt the ones in real life will be even

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<v Speaker 2>more entertaining and at times perhaps his incoherent. All right, now,

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<v Speaker 2>as you know, Jim Chalmers delivered too little, too light,

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<v Speaker 2>and Australians know it in his budget that he delivered.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a couple of nights ago, we've gone through through

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<v Speaker 2>Uphill and down Dale, all of the details from the

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<v Speaker 2>Goldberg Walk, as if he was a boxer going in

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<v Speaker 2>to fight a main event ah, they laid it on

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<v Speaker 2>so thick well. Tonight was the opportunity for the opposition

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<v Speaker 2>to reply. Now, one of the great myths and misnomers

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<v Speaker 2>about a budget and reply speech is that you're supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to have all of the detail that the hundreds and

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of people in Treasury are put together for the

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<v Speaker 2>government of the day, when the reality is it's the leader,

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<v Speaker 2>the MPs and their staff who are cobbling together what

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<v Speaker 2>they think should be the response to the budget. But

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<v Speaker 2>what the budget and reply speech has given every opposition

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<v Speaker 2>leader for as long as we have all been watching

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<v Speaker 2>this process, it gives them an opportunity to speak to

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<v Speaker 2>the country uninterrupted for about thirty minutes. Now if they

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<v Speaker 2>give a major speech at the National Press Club, while

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<v Speaker 2>that's televised, it's not the same as Prime Time on

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<v Speaker 2>Sky News, the ABC, lots of other places. He had

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<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to meet Australia where it is right now, because,

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<v Speaker 2>as I've told you for how many months now, Australians believe,

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<v Speaker 2>in fact half of Australians believe that we are headed

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<v Speaker 2>in the wrong direction, that we are on the wrong track.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that blue line is the wrong track, the red

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<v Speaker 2>line is the right track. It was very early last

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<v Speaker 2>year where the right track just pit the wrong track.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can see where it's been for now the

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<v Speaker 2>best part of a year at least. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>a poll which comes out in the turbul Times. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the data that the Guardian publishes, and it says

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<v Speaker 2>that fifty percent of the country believes we're headed in

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<v Speaker 2>the wrong direction. And that's where Peter Dutton knew that

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<v Speaker 2>is challenged. Tonight be there at an early election, or

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<v Speaker 2>if it goes full term, he'll get another chance next year.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just to present yourself as a credible prime minister,

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<v Speaker 2>as a person who can deliver a speech, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>also somebody who, as I say, understands where people are.

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<v Speaker 2>And he delivered lots of hits on the existing budget,

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<v Speaker 2>but he also had plenty of ideas about what would

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<v Speaker 2>guide him as the Prime Minister of this country and

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<v Speaker 2>as a person who's been sitting here every single night

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<v Speaker 2>with you looking at how this government promised a big

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<v Speaker 2>game and then just delivered nothing or went in the

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<v Speaker 2>exact opposite direction. I thought Peter Dutton's opening was bang on.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost two years ago. Prime Minister Albanezi was elected promising

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<v Speaker 2>a reduction of two hundred and seventy five dollars each

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<v Speaker 2>year in your power prices, cheaper mortgages, and that you

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<v Speaker 2>would be better off under a labor government. All of

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<v Speaker 2>those promises have been broken. Today millions of Australians are

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<v Speaker 2>struggling to pay their bills. Even going to the supermarket

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<v Speaker 2>and petrol station has become stressful for so many. Now

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<v Speaker 2>the government will say, well, we saw all that stuff too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but the government is in the position to do things

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<v Speaker 2>like all of those excise taxes I've talked about, from

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<v Speaker 2>the taxes on beer and alcohol and tobacco and petrol.

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<v Speaker 2>That are the things the government could do today to

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<v Speaker 2>make things better. And also Peter Dutton quite correctly points

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<v Speaker 2>out that this government is earning more revenue, well taking

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<v Speaker 2>more revenue than any government in recent memory. Yet this

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<v Speaker 2>spending has also exponentially increased, which is why if the

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<v Speaker 2>revenue starts to dry up, we go into deficit, deep deficit.

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<v Speaker 2>And even the Treasurer was saying that in this most

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<v Speaker 2>recent budget. But are they going to make things worse

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<v Speaker 2>with the decisions they have made in this budget? Understandably,

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton says yes, and who could disagree.

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<v Speaker 4>In my twenty two years in Parliament, I've seen good

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<v Speaker 4>and bad budgets, but the budget handed down on Tuesday

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<v Speaker 4>night is one of the most irresponsible I've seen. The

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<v Speaker 4>reason interest rates have gone up twelve times is because

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<v Speaker 4>the government can't control its spending and because of its

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<v Speaker 4>reckless policy. In three labor budgets, the government is lifted

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<v Speaker 4>spending by staggering three hundred and fifteen billion dollars or

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<v Speaker 4>thirty thousand dollars per Australian household.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I was at a mate's place last week and

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<v Speaker 2>I got the chance to have a chat to my

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<v Speaker 2>mate's parents. Good people, loyal viewers of this program. They

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<v Speaker 2>know who they are shout out. But they were talking

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<v Speaker 2>that they think that the number one issue in the

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<v Speaker 2>country is the reality that people.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't buy houses.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've been thinking about it and ruminating about it

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<v Speaker 2>ever since we had the conversation, because we have to

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<v Speaker 2>have an actual conversation about something like housing, and obviously

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<v Speaker 2>a part of that process is the number of people

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<v Speaker 2>who are being brought into the country each and every year.

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<v Speaker 2>Put simply, if there aren't enough houses, but you keep

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<v Speaker 2>adding more people, will then guess what. At the very

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<v Speaker 2>bottom end of things, people end up being booted out

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<v Speaker 2>of their houses. And yes, I'll be talking about that

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<v Speaker 2>in laborious detail moment or two time. But of course

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<v Speaker 2>at the normal and the middle end too, the houses

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<v Speaker 2>that you want to purchase your unable to do so

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<v Speaker 2>because someone with more money, potentially coming in from overseas

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<v Speaker 2>might be able to put up the hand and just

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<v Speaker 2>blow you away. So I was relieved and intrigued to

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<v Speaker 2>see that Peter Dutton tonight talked about housing and had

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<v Speaker 2>some clear ideas in the first couple of years of

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<v Speaker 2>him being Prime Minister, how it would be easier, ever

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<v Speaker 2>so slightly, but still easier for the person you have

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<v Speaker 2>in your family who you hope will be able to

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<v Speaker 2>buy a house, to actually have an even shot at

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<v Speaker 2>buying one.

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<v Speaker 4>First, we will implement a two year ban on foreign

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<v Speaker 4>investors and temporary residents purchasing existing homes in Australia. Secondly,

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<v Speaker 4>we will reduce the permanent migration program by twenty five

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<v Speaker 4>percent from one hundred and eighty five thousand to one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred and forty thousand for the first two years in

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<v Speaker 4>recognition of the urgency of the crisis. Third, we will

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<v Speaker 4>reduce successive numbers of foreign students studying at metropolitan universities

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<v Speaker 4>to relieve stress on rental markets in our major cities.

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<v Speaker 2>Now again comparing contrast the people in the government who

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<v Speaker 2>say nothing to see here, there's no problem or the

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<v Speaker 2>only solution is that we have to take billions of

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<v Speaker 2>dollars with the taxpayers money to go into housing. But

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<v Speaker 2>that housing, of course is social housing. Now, I fully

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<v Speaker 2>support huge investment in social housing because literally the old

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<v Speaker 2>public housing, the old housing commissioners people would remember in

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<v Speaker 2>places like New South Wales, the waiting list for it

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<v Speaker 2>is sixty thousand people.

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<v Speaker 1>So we do need to build that.

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<v Speaker 2>But for your kids or your grandkids, how are they

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<v Speaker 2>going to buy a home?

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<v Speaker 1>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>I've just off the top of my head talked out

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<v Speaker 2>loud about ideas that no doubt will be screened at.

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<v Speaker 1>But what governments can do is.

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<v Speaker 2>They can firstly take the number of bidders off the

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<v Speaker 2>table who are competing with your kids at an auction.

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<v Speaker 2>And we certainly know that there is an awful lot

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<v Speaker 2>of money, billions of dollars in fact, that is being

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<v Speaker 2>bittered up by people who are either representing somebody overseas

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<v Speaker 2>or pretending that the kid here for UNI is the

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<v Speaker 2>one who can actually afford the unit that your kids

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<v Speaker 2>or your grandkids should be able to have an even

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<v Speaker 2>shot at so good, he's leveling the playing field. There

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<v Speaker 2>also crime. Now, there was a lot in his announcement tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think this was really interesting because he dealt

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<v Speaker 2>with one of the great misconceptions of Peter Dutton is

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<v Speaker 2>that Peter Dutton doesn't get the problems that women face

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<v Speaker 2>in this country. But also on top of that he

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<v Speaker 2>was able to and of course that's rubbish and garbage.

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<v Speaker 2>As he spoke about in his speech, his time both

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<v Speaker 2>as a police officer responding to domestic violence calls, all

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<v Speaker 2>the way through to the time that he was the

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<v Speaker 2>Home Affairs Minister coming up with ways to crack down

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<v Speaker 2>on kiddie porn. He's always had this as a focus.

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<v Speaker 2>It will be one of the key focuses of what

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<v Speaker 2>he will take to an election and should he become

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<v Speaker 2>the prime in this state. A key value and that's

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<v Speaker 2>why I say say about politics is about values, value

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<v Speaker 2>that he would bring to leadership in this country. He

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<v Speaker 2>also had a couple of very solid, very clear ideas

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<v Speaker 2>that will rule a line under the types of behavior

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<v Speaker 2>that way too many people get involved with. Now, this

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<v Speaker 2>is not a version of censoring the Internet. It's about

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<v Speaker 2>saying that people who post videos of their crimes in

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<v Speaker 2>order to get infamy from their crimes should not be

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to do so.

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<v Speaker 4>Australians are unsettled by crime on our streets, ruptures to

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<v Speaker 4>our social cohesion and threats to our national security. The

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<v Speaker 4>Coalition government will provide much needed leadership in tackling knife crime.

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<v Speaker 1>We will work with.

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<v Speaker 4>States and territories to develop uniform knife laws across all jurisdictions,

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<v Speaker 4>laws which will give police the powers to stop and

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<v Speaker 4>search using detective ones like q Queensland's Jack's Law. Recently,

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<v Speaker 4>Molly Tyshurst, a twenty eight year old mother from New

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<v Speaker 4>South Wales, was murdered because her violent ex partner was

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<v Speaker 4>on bail. Our bail laws need to be tightened in

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<v Speaker 4>this country. A Coalition government will make it in fence

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<v Speaker 4>to use mobile phones and computer networks to cause an

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<v Speaker 4>intimate partner or family member fear for their personal safety,

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<v Speaker 4>to track them using spywear, or to engage in coercive behaviors.

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<v Speaker 4>We will toughen the bail laws and apply to these

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<v Speaker 4>that apply to these new Commonwealth offenses. There's been an

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<v Speaker 4>uptick in young Australians committing crimes where they're filming and

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<v Speaker 4>uploading their crimes to social media. A coalition government will

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<v Speaker 4>make it an offense to post criminal acts online. Those

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<v Speaker 4>convicted will be banned from using digital platforms and liable

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<v Speaker 4>for up to two years imprisonment.

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<v Speaker 2>That stuff is really important and that is the role

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<v Speaker 2>that the federal government can play about the Telecommunications Act,

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<v Speaker 2>about what you are allowed to do with devices. And

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment there are too many people who use

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<v Speaker 2>their devices and their electronic devices to threaten, intimidate and

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<v Speaker 2>frankly stalk their partners. Again, who in the country would

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<v Speaker 2>have a problem if that became law, and well, I

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<v Speaker 2>hope the opportunity is that it's Peter Dutton and his

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<v Speaker 2>government that would be able to introduce that law. If

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<v Speaker 2>the government stole the idea word for word and did

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<v Speaker 2>it tomorrow, I would congratulate them out of nothing else.

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<v Speaker 2>In a political career full of many highlights and many

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<v Speaker 2>tough decisions, this would be a legitimate change for the better.

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<v Speaker 2>As for the final pitch, the beginnings of an attempt

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<v Speaker 2>to get the country back on the right track, because

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<v Speaker 2>of course it's on the wrong track.

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<v Speaker 1>This was his closing statement.

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<v Speaker 4>Are you better off today than you were two years ago?

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<v Speaker 4>Do you feel safer or more secure than you did

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<v Speaker 4>two years ago?

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<v Speaker 1>When governments change, the country change.

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<v Speaker 4>Australians can't afford another three years of the Alban easy

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<v Speaker 4>labor government.

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<v Speaker 1>Couldn't agree more.

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<v Speaker 2>And let's be honest, even some of the most ardent

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<v Speaker 2>supporters of left wing politics would have to agree. We've

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<v Speaker 2>had twelve infrastraight rises since this bloke became the Prime minister.

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<v Speaker 2>We have seen how many things go exponentially through the roof.

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<v Speaker 2>Despite the fact that their promise was that they were

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<v Speaker 2>going to do something about cost of living, we saw

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<v Speaker 2>this week that their response to cost of living was

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<v Speaker 2>to spend billions of dollars in taxpayers money to not

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<v Speaker 2>actually improve anyone's life, but to buy them a slogan

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<v Speaker 2>at an election. If this is a legitimate fight on values,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be a close one. But I certainly

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<v Speaker 2>believe that the Australian population, while it may change its

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<v Speaker 2>views from time to time on social issues or the

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<v Speaker 2>importance of environmental issues, where Peter Dutton was tonight is

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<v Speaker 2>where Australians have always been, regardless of whether they have

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<v Speaker 2>been here for many generations or they have just turned

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<v Speaker 2>up last week. He didn't get into the concept of

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<v Speaker 2>the fair go, but he did get into the idea

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<v Speaker 2>about a fair Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this was a good speech. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>speech about values. No doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>The bubble within the bubble within the bubble will have

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<v Speaker 2>its issues, but who cares. They're the gatekeepers of a

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<v Speaker 2>political generation a long time ago. For anyone else who

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<v Speaker 2>actually saw the speech tonight, they would see a bloke

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<v Speaker 2>who is more in sync with them than the roosters,

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<v Speaker 2>who are all just about their own power and their

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<v Speaker 2>own mates in the current government. Meantime, the media, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>was obsessed with the major announcement from the federal budget.

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<v Speaker 1>Every household, regardless of income, will receive three hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 1>off their energy bills.

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<v Speaker 5>Three hundred dollar energy rebates to everyone.

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<v Speaker 6>Every Australian household will save hundreds of dollars on their

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<v Speaker 6>power bills.

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<v Speaker 1>Yay.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nineteen hundred dollars a yearnus yay. And of course

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<v Speaker 2>the reality here is that it's not three hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 2>they're sending you as a check that you'll be able

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<v Speaker 2>to go and spend on something you really need to

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<v Speaker 2>spend it on, as Andrew Clenell explains, and I'm showing

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<v Speaker 2>this every night because I want everyone to understand.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not three hundred dollars that you get in your hand.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not cash.

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<v Speaker 2>It is seventy five dollars every three months that the

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<v Speaker 2>taxpayer is going to pay to power companies to drop

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<v Speaker 2>your bill. Now, it'll be interesting to know whether a

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<v Speaker 2>sideline of that is that they're going to put on

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's power bill. Thanks to the Albaniz the government, this

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<v Speaker 2>bill is seventy five dollars less than it should have been,

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<v Speaker 2>to which most people will go, U huh, And you

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<v Speaker 2>get seventy five a quarter all of us, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>gena Ryan Hart gets.

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<v Speaker 1>It, Twiggy Forest gets it, we all get it. Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>watching gets it. And I think it just rolls pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much straight onto your bill. Yes it does.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll get to the millionaire and billionaire side of

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<v Speaker 2>this in a moment or two time. But what is

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating is some of the spin that the government tried

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<v Speaker 2>to put on all of this, that all of this

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<v Speaker 2>was really about helping people when it came to the

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<v Speaker 2>cost living, and Jim Chalmers was there on the ABC

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<v Speaker 2>telling everyone and all the different post budgeting, Oh, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the great idea. It's going to change people's lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Are no.

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<v Speaker 2>And guess who actually ended up telling the truth, the

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<v Speaker 2>secret that the billions of dollars in taxpayers money that

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<v Speaker 2>will not change anyone's life, will not change anyone's life. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Bowen is the one who's actually turned around and

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<v Speaker 2>said what the real deal is in all of this,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know he's a genius playing three dimensional chess. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>he actually turned around and admitted that the reason why

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<v Speaker 2>this is happening is because they're going to use taxpayers

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<v Speaker 2>money to try to reduce inflation. Best case scenario, it'll

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<v Speaker 2>be by half of one percent, but with inflation still

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<v Speaker 2>well higher than half of one percent when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to the target range, it won't actually change the Reserve

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<v Speaker 2>Bank's opinion about interest rates. So we're spending billions of

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<v Speaker 2>dollars for this reason.

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<v Speaker 5>You do that by spreading it across as many bills

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<v Speaker 5>as you can, and you do that effectively by spreading

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<v Speaker 5>it to every indigity bill in the country. You maximize

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<v Speaker 5>the impact on inflation which will help the Reserve Bank

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<v Speaker 5>in their job. And we sign this very carefully as

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<v Speaker 5>to how it will maximize assistance to the Reserve Bank

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<v Speaker 5>to ensure that they can do their job.

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<v Speaker 2>Best case scenario, this much help. But then of course

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't for all time, which means presumably when it

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<v Speaker 2>runs out in twelve months time, this much goes back

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<v Speaker 2>on top of whatever inflation apparently has slightly fallen back

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<v Speaker 2>as a result of the policy.

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<v Speaker 1>Again it's beatings of dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>So they have a slogan to go to an election

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<v Speaker 2>with now, people who are low information voters, well, they

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<v Speaker 2>may will end up fall for it because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Labour's got slick ads and clever things, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>a good or good music about any decision that is

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<v Speaker 2>anything other than the government is magnificent. But the reality

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<v Speaker 2>is that I think people's lived experience is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be You can tell me logan as many times as

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<v Speaker 2>you want. My interest rates have gone up twelve times

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<v Speaker 2>since this bloke became Prime minister. Thirteen times. There was

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<v Speaker 2>one just before the last election. People are having to

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<v Speaker 2>find anywhere between fifteen and thirty even more one thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars a year.

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<v Speaker 1>To pay off their homes.

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<v Speaker 2>The idea that magically everything's okay because there might be

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<v Speaker 2>one changing interest rates. Well, really, that's like, as I've

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<v Speaker 2>said before, the python is currently squeezing you, and you

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<v Speaker 2>are the same color as rabina, like dark purple. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're now mauve. You're still under the pump. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's how people will view this budget. And also another

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<v Speaker 2>bit of spin that has not even lasted the week

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<v Speaker 2>since the budget, which is why does everyone have to

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<v Speaker 2>get this? Why are all the people who could clearly

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<v Speaker 2>afford their power bills? These are the people who demand

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<v Speaker 2>we should spend a trillion dollars or more on a

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<v Speaker 2>transition to green energy because they don't notice the cost

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<v Speaker 2>of transition that comes via their bills. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>and at times not so famous. Now, every time I

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<v Speaker 2>say this, I have friends who saying, I'm stop bashing.

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<v Speaker 1>Up the rich.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, certain rich people, certain rich people, but everyone in

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<v Speaker 2>the country ends up getting the seventy five dollars. But

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<v Speaker 2>of course, for obvious reasons, people who are well wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>even have seventy five dollars down the back of the couch.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they've got more than one hundred bucks back there. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently the reason why they needed it, despite the fact

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<v Speaker 2>they've got swimm pools and tennis courts, the reason they

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<v Speaker 2>need the same supplement as somebody living in a wide

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<v Speaker 2>bedroom unit in the western suburbs of insert capital city

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<v Speaker 2>was because of this.

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<v Speaker 7>First of all, I think these costs of living pressures

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<v Speaker 7>go up and down the income scale. Yes, they fall

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<v Speaker 7>disproportionately on the people on the lowest incomes and fixed incomes,

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<v Speaker 7>and they are obviously our priority. But I think people

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<v Speaker 7>are under the pump right around Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>So everyone needs it because everyone's under the pump, including

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<v Speaker 2>the people who clearly, let's be honest, seventy five dollars

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<v Speaker 2>every three months they're done. They're not going to notice it.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't even notice when the bill goes up by

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<v Speaker 2>a thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet they all get it.

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<v Speaker 2>People like Dick Smith have turned around and said, no,

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<v Speaker 2>this place, we're going to donate all of this. Plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of other significant Australians have also come out and said no,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need this. Please, if you're going to do

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<v Speaker 2>it for anyone, focusing on the people who.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually need it.

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<v Speaker 2>But guess what the reason everyone got it was because

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's feeling the pain was the spin. Well two days

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<v Speaker 2>later we learn that the reason everyone is going to

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<v Speaker 2>get this apart from the fact that where they're spending

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<v Speaker 2>billions of dollars so they can create a slogan that

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<v Speaker 2>every household gets the help. By their own admission, it's

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<v Speaker 2>too costly to means tested. What does that even mean.

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<v Speaker 2>The idea that it is cheaper to send a credit

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<v Speaker 2>to the power company for every single house in the

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<v Speaker 2>country is cheaper than working out if the house needs

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<v Speaker 2>it or not. And even the ones who need it,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so small you don't notice.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, energy.

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<v Speaker 2>Bills are about to go up again just two weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 2>This was the announcement from the energy regulator. So even

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<v Speaker 2>the seventy five dollars that's posted to help you every

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<v Speaker 2>three months is going to be eaten up by.

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<v Speaker 1>What's about to go up in the next little while.

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<v Speaker 2>Today news from the economy was more people are unemployed

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<v Speaker 2>and here unemployment is hotter bit of.

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<v Speaker 8>A surprise jump in unemployment.

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<v Speaker 9>It rose to four point one percent last month, up

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<v Speaker 9>from a revised three point nine percent in March.

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<v Speaker 7>Just two days after the federal budget warned unemployment would rise.

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<v Speaker 1>It has now. Apparently this is good for the economy

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<v Speaker 1>because there's.

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<v Speaker 2>A chance that if there was going to be an

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<v Speaker 2>increase in the interest rates because of the inflationary spending

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<v Speaker 2>of the federal budget, there is a chance that now

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<v Speaker 2>won't happen, you know, one hand, the other all the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of it. In fact, somebody is smarter than we

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<v Speaker 2>could explain it.

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<v Speaker 7>Australia's unemployment rates has jumped higher than expected in April,

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<v Speaker 7>which could be good news for interest rates.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but that good news for interest rates, it comes

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<v Speaker 2>at a cost, Like everything, does you know, a little here,

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<v Speaker 2>a little there. If we get where the budget is

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<v Speaker 2>predicting us to get to, which is say four and

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<v Speaker 2>a half percent unemployment rate, that means between now and

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<v Speaker 2>next budget, one hundred and three thousand and six hundred

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<v Speaker 2>people have to lose their jobs for the government to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to say, oh, isn't it amazing we kept

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<v Speaker 2>unemployment where we promised it. Okay, good footy stadium of people.

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<v Speaker 2>More than that's the MCG Seriously, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I hope you're comfortable, because I've got a bit

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<v Speaker 1>on this now.

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<v Speaker 2>Last night, while we're around the air, I saw that

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<v Speaker 2>the story which made it to the front page of

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<v Speaker 2>the Daily Telegraph today had dropped.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard it in the late debate and I have

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<v Speaker 1>been waiting to talk about this all day, all.

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<v Speaker 2>Day because, as you know, Anthony Abnezi is apparently getting

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<v Speaker 2>ready to sell a house in the in a west

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<v Speaker 2>of Sydney and a bloke has been living in it

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<v Speaker 2>for some period of time. He says that this is

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<v Speaker 2>the reason he was given.

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<v Speaker 9>We're so disruptive when you get in viction notice. I

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<v Speaker 9>know all landowners are entitled to do that, it just

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<v Speaker 9>reaks absolute havoc. At the moment, you know, we're dealing

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<v Speaker 9>with cost of living crisis, probably the worst rental crisis certainly,

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<v Speaker 9>and I can remember in Sydney we've got a massive

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<v Speaker 9>shortage of properties and options are pretty limited.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>But the reason I decided to talk about this in

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<v Speaker 2>some detail tonight, it's because it is the perfect microcosm

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<v Speaker 2>of what a lot of people face when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to the problems of the rental market. That if you're

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<v Speaker 2>in a rental property, you're just holding on. If the

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<v Speaker 2>owner decides to sell, which of course they're completely allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to do, there's nowhere nearby to go and get another

0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:59.120
<v Speaker 2>rental place. Why because you're competing with all of those

0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:02.520
<v Speaker 2>extra people that, in this case, your landlord has brought

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<v Speaker 2>into the country over the past couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>But I really want.

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<v Speaker 2>To talk about what I think is one of those

0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:14.960
<v Speaker 2>moments where people who listened to FM radio and love

0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:19.080
<v Speaker 2>watching shows like Tipping Point Good Luck to You, there

0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:20.840
<v Speaker 2>are sometimes political stories.

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<v Speaker 1>That really puncture and they get at and they go,

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<v Speaker 1>hang on, what.

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<v Speaker 2>The leader who's telling me they're so amazing and helping

0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:30.000
<v Speaker 2>with everything is actually somebody who doesn't care about me,

0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:33.040
<v Speaker 2>and in fact he's doing something pretty nasty. On Radio

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<v Speaker 2>National this morning, the Prime Minister was playing a home

0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:38.720
<v Speaker 2>game and right at the end Auntie p K decided

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<v Speaker 2>to ask the Prime Minister about why he is doing this,

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<v Speaker 2>and this was his reason.

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<v Speaker 10>I have, I think, been a good owner of the property.

0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:54.840
<v Speaker 10>He's paid around about half what the market rental is.

0:24:55.440 --> 0:25:02.840
<v Speaker 10>I kept that situation there post COVID when the rent

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:08.320
<v Speaker 10>were substantially reduced. I've had changes in my life.

0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:12.439
<v Speaker 2>I've had changes in my life now, without getting too personal,

0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:14.560
<v Speaker 2>if we're talking here about a scenario where the Prime

0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:19.159
<v Speaker 2>Minister who got divorced a couple of years ago, that's

0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:20.760
<v Speaker 2>the reason he's got to sell, well, that would have

0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:25.680
<v Speaker 2>happened back then, right, Instead, his life circumstances have changed.

0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:29.520
<v Speaker 2>What life circumstances have changed for the Prime minister that

0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:31.879
<v Speaker 2>he needs to sell this house right now? He's hardly

0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:33.520
<v Speaker 2>on the bones of his backside. We know he's got

0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:36.440
<v Speaker 2>other investment properties, and we all know that he's earning

0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:37.240
<v Speaker 2>a pretty penny.

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<v Speaker 10>But continue, I wish him well, but I am allowed

0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 10>to make changes which are a direct result of the

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 10>changes that have happened in my life from where I

0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:56.760
<v Speaker 10>was ten years ago with my formal life and family.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but as anyone who is aware of how divorce works,

0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:08.000
<v Speaker 2>you sell the house while you're getting divorced, and that

0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 2>again didn't happen just last week. But again I don't

0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:14.160
<v Speaker 2>know that personal situation. I don't know who's on the bill.

0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:17.439
<v Speaker 2>But the Prime Minster talks again about his circumstances have changed. Now,

0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:20.120
<v Speaker 2>I understand why investment property owners sometimes have to get

0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:22.280
<v Speaker 2>rid of the property because either the interest rates too high.

0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't that be hilarious if it's the reason. But of course,

0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:26.879
<v Speaker 2>for this Prime minister, he's earning half a million bucks.

0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:31.000
<v Speaker 2>He's living in not one but two houses that we

0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:33.720
<v Speaker 2>pay for. He's living in the Lodge, a mansion in

0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:37.200
<v Speaker 2>Canberra and a mansion that he has to his availability

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:41.439
<v Speaker 2>in Sydney. So exactly what is the changing circumstance that

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:44.520
<v Speaker 2>means he has to boot the bloke out of the house, well,

0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 2>other than he wants to sell the house because he

0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:48.280
<v Speaker 2>wants to do something with the money, which again is

0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:52.160
<v Speaker 2>his right. But still, of all of the people who

0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:54.640
<v Speaker 2>make the choice to sell their investment property, the guy

0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:58.720
<v Speaker 2>who's living in two taxpayer funded mansions earning half a

0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:00.880
<v Speaker 2>million dollars with a private plane that your nickname after

0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:04.360
<v Speaker 2>your dog is not exactly the bloke who urgently needs

0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:08.840
<v Speaker 2>to flush people into a rental market that in the

0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:13.199
<v Speaker 2>Inner West of Sydney is even worse than the country average,

0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:16.680
<v Speaker 2>and even worse than the Sydney average, which in terms

0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:20.040
<v Speaker 2>of housing availability is about one point seven percent of

0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:21.720
<v Speaker 2>all of the housing stock in all of Sydney that

0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:24.800
<v Speaker 2>is actually available for rent. It is even worse. I

0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:27.679
<v Speaker 2>think it's about one two to one point one in

0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:30.080
<v Speaker 2>this particular area, so he knows what he's doing, he

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:33.200
<v Speaker 2>just doesn't care. And I think that's what starts to

0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:36.439
<v Speaker 2>connect with people that a bloke who doesn't need to

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 2>sell this house instead is just choosing to sell this house.

0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:41.680
<v Speaker 1>And pushes this blokeout.

0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:44.879
<v Speaker 2>But again, is the guy who's trying to pretend that

0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:48.600
<v Speaker 2>he really cares about people like this guy if they

0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:50.800
<v Speaker 2>were renting a house from anyone else, It doesn't quite

0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:51.920
<v Speaker 2>match up.

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:53.680
<v Speaker 1>This is where the green's coming.

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<v Speaker 11>I've seen some people say, well, this isn't a story.

0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:01.480
<v Speaker 11>The reason this is a story is because this is

0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:04.640
<v Speaker 11>a demonstration of who runs this country. We have got

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 11>millions of renters right now being smashed by a rental crisis,

0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:11.119
<v Speaker 11>and he have a property investor prime minister leading a

0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:14.760
<v Speaker 11>party where seventy five percent of labor members are property

0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:19.240
<v Speaker 11>investors and sixty five percent of Coalition members are property investors,

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:20.479
<v Speaker 11>and they're calling the shots.

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:24.359
<v Speaker 2>There's another aspect of all of this that gives us

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:26.880
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of an insight into the true personality

0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 2>of the Prime minister, the bloke who supposedly was more

0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:32.440
<v Speaker 2>compassionate because of his background.

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:35.720
<v Speaker 1>But you can see a pretty nasty streak.

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Because all of this has been made public, we know

0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:41.120
<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister can blow up like the best of them.

0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:44.200
<v Speaker 2>And now the bloke that's in his sites because he's

0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:46.360
<v Speaker 2>gone public is the guy that's going to get booted out.

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 2>He of course, like a good little left he said,

0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:51.360
<v Speaker 2>I've supported the Prime Minister, I voted for the Prime minister.

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 2>But still it's not going to matter, right, He's now

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:55.479
<v Speaker 2>embarrassed the Prime Minister, which means going to cop it.

0:28:57.120 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 1>So there was one.

0:28:57.760 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 2>Thing in the Prime Minister's statement about this bloke that

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:04.760
<v Speaker 2>I noticed because it was familiar. It's a very passive,

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 2>aggressive thing where if you were reading a transcript back

0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:10.800
<v Speaker 2>to a court, you look compassionate, but it's not.

0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 10>I wish him well, you see.

0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 1>It's just a way of saying, see you later. Where

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:21.080
<v Speaker 1>have I heard this before?

0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:21.320
<v Speaker 8>Oh?

0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 1>That's right.

0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Remember when the Prime Minister made the organizer of a

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:29.600
<v Speaker 2>domestics violence rally cry her friends all around her. What

0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 2>exactly did he say about her after she had embarrassed

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:35.479
<v Speaker 2>him by calling him a liar.

0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:39.720
<v Speaker 10>I with regard to Sarah, I wish her well.

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:41.520
<v Speaker 12>I wish shrewell.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, he wishes you well. That's very important, isn't it.

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:49.120
<v Speaker 2>No, it's basically you screwed me over by embarrassing me.

0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 2>So I wish you well, but I don't wish you well.

0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Get away from me and get ready for a pack

0:29:55.080 --> 0:30:01.160
<v Speaker 2>to start hunting you. And you see, just like when

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 2>it came to the woman at that domestic violence rally,

0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister's mates in the media, well, they come

0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:13.520
<v Speaker 2>out in spades to defend the Prime minister. Remember, despite

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:17.040
<v Speaker 2>the fact that you could see the lady crying at

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:21.080
<v Speaker 2>the rally, they were out and about telling us, well,

0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 2>if you actually look at the tape, the prime Minister's

0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 2>actually off the hook. No, the lady's still crying. Remember,

0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:30.120
<v Speaker 2>even the Prime Minister saying, look at the tape. Look

0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:33.120
<v Speaker 2>at the tape. It exonerates me. Yeah, we have seen

0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:34.960
<v Speaker 2>the tape of the woman crying.

0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Yet he says, you can look at it. You work

0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:43.880
<v Speaker 1>at sky Evan can look at it. Yeah, we can

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 1>look at the tape.

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:45.760
<v Speaker 6>Here it is again.

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 2>You see again, this is what this bloke thinks. This

0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:52.400
<v Speaker 2>is what this guy thinks. I can just pretend you

0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:56.520
<v Speaker 2>didn't see it. I wish you well. My life circumstances

0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 2>have changed, so I've got to sell the one point

0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:01.640
<v Speaker 2>nine million dollar joint, however much it's worth, because i.

0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Just want the money. He's in two taxpayer funded houses

0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:08.520
<v Speaker 1>that he assumes he'll be living in for the next ten.

0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Years because he's a somewhat popular as he thinks prime minister.

0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 1>And I've got to say, how did the Prime.

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 2>Minister come up with the I wish him well line?

0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 2>And my life circumstances have changed. You think one of

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:26.760
<v Speaker 2>the eleven people who work as the personal media people

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:29.840
<v Speaker 2>of the Prime minister would have given him better advice,

0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:31.800
<v Speaker 2>like I'm not going to talk about this publicly. I'm

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:33.360
<v Speaker 2>going to ring the bloke cock call him later today,

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:33.840
<v Speaker 2>see you later.

0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:34.800
<v Speaker 1>Not interested, I don't know.

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Instead, because he crossed him, he now wishes him well.

0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, thankfully.

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Rather than people being able to see into the real

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 2>life actions of a prime minister who is not sintillary

0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:52.239
<v Speaker 2>as compassion as he pretends to be, the Left had

0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 2>something else to explode about the former prime minister met

0:31:56.160 --> 0:31:58.760
<v Speaker 2>with the former president in New York and.

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:10.959
<v Speaker 6>Then heads flewed. That is the real outrage. That is

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 6>the real outrage.

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:19.680
<v Speaker 2>OSSI stunned by Scomo's Trump post SMH God help us.

0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 2>Morrison cozying up to Trump is weird, but it could

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:25.760
<v Speaker 2>soon get even weirder. And okay, lefties, if that Pharto

0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 2>sent you crazy one more time, this will send you

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:45.920
<v Speaker 2>a loopie. I told the team just find people running

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 2>out of the theater. I thought it was gonna be

0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:49.360
<v Speaker 2>like one second. I love how long that win because

0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 2>that's the explosions. And now because I've course pointed out

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 2>the media team around the Prime Minister, the narratives, the

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:58.760
<v Speaker 2>people that are covering up. We all know what's going

0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:02.800
<v Speaker 2>to happen. Now they turn around and come for us. Well,

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:05.440
<v Speaker 2>it's not like we're not expecting it. Quick breakback with more.

0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:06.760
<v Speaker 2>We're going to find ou who's a winner and loser

0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:08.160
<v Speaker 2>of the week, will debate some of the other issues

0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:11.280
<v Speaker 2>around our panels, thoughts when it comes to what's happening

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:14.000
<v Speaker 2>with Peter Dutton' speech, and a whole lot more. Nigel

0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 2>Farage as well, just getting started. Thanks for watching Fort

0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Murray Live.

0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:18.680
<v Speaker 10>On on Thursday.

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:23.640
<v Speaker 2>Nigel Faraj in a couple of seconds, but right now

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 2>a chat with two big brain ladies about the issues

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:29.080
<v Speaker 2>that are around right now. Emily Die of course works

0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 2>for the Center of Independent Studies, so always good to

0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:33.080
<v Speaker 2>have her in the man cave, as is our dear

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:35.760
<v Speaker 2>friend Linda Scott excited budget week, we'll all solved all

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:40.320
<v Speaker 2>the problems and of course Peter Dutton in reply, a

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:43.600
<v Speaker 2>sign of a horrible Trumpist government to come. What did

0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:44.600
<v Speaker 2>you think of the response?

0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:46.960
<v Speaker 13>I mean, look, if only there was as much vision

0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:49.960
<v Speaker 13>as Donald Trump has. It's just sort of nothing. Wasn't

0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 13>there No new ideas, just repeating the whole sort of

0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:56.320
<v Speaker 13>law and order themes that he's been talking about as

0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:58.640
<v Speaker 13>a Queensland cop since he's been in Parliament for a

0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 13>very long time. Really nothing new.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't get you there, Emily, what about you?

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 8>I thought it was so cautious. I was really disappointed

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:10.279
<v Speaker 8>that the Coalition has taken such a soft response to

0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:13.319
<v Speaker 8>the changes to Stage three tax cuts and those broken promises.

0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:15.840
<v Speaker 8>I think that they should have come out much stronger

0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:19.880
<v Speaker 8>and said, hey, actually the wealthier people are being underrepresented,

0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:23.040
<v Speaker 8>they are being undercompensated for bracket creep. We're not compensating

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:26.440
<v Speaker 8>for the bracket creep that's occurred over the time period.

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:28.640
<v Speaker 8>And so they're like, yeah, yeah, the changes are fine.

0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:30.920
<v Speaker 8>The cutting, the gutting, it is fine, if you have

0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:34.640
<v Speaker 8>a certain wealth group, you'll never get a tax that

0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:36.640
<v Speaker 8>you never get to be compensated for bracket creep and

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:37.400
<v Speaker 8>that's okay.

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you'll get, you know, seventy five dollars every

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:40.480
<v Speaker 2>three months on a.

0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Power bill if you're sitting and rolling around you mentioned now.

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Today there's on multiple fronts a conversation of labor MP's

0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:52.279
<v Speaker 2>and senators that have come forward and said pretty direct

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:55.719
<v Speaker 2>stuff that is either in support of the protests that

0:34:55.800 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 2>have taken place or outright attacks on Israel for its

0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:02.920
<v Speaker 2>response to what has happened in October the seventh. In

0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:05.399
<v Speaker 2>the New South Wales example, again without boring you here,

0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:08.080
<v Speaker 2>all of the extra jobs apart from being the back

0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:10.279
<v Speaker 2>bench have been taken away from the one in New

0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:13.520
<v Speaker 2>South Wales. The senator from Westerland, Australia well, albows, wave

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:16.160
<v Speaker 2>the finger, but she's very junior in the first term,

0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:17.400
<v Speaker 2>so there's nothing to take.

0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Off from her. So emily free speech or crossing the line?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think of these?

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, I've already outed myself as being very pro speech.

0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:28.200
<v Speaker 8>I think that we should be having debate. I think

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:32.440
<v Speaker 8>that they haven't crossed the line. This is actually shameless

0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:35.319
<v Speaker 8>pluged this cis that we had an event last night

0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 8>that it was using all of the words that are

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:41.920
<v Speaker 8>the offensive words. It was John Meesheimer. He said the

0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 8>Jena slide word, he said the Apartheyd word, he said

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 8>ethnic cleansing. And this is a debate series we're doing.

0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:50.319
<v Speaker 8>We'll have the other side coming up next month so

0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:53.239
<v Speaker 8>that both sides can speak. But I think it's really

0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:56.919
<v Speaker 8>important to let people voice their ideas, especially our parliamentarians,

0:35:56.960 --> 0:36:00.400
<v Speaker 8>especially people in government. They should be allowed to be vocal,

0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:02.480
<v Speaker 8>they should be allowed to be bored, and we should

0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:05.080
<v Speaker 8>combat them on their arguments.

0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:09.640
<v Speaker 14>But also, I mean, Linda, there's a responsibility here, right,

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:12.960
<v Speaker 14>And the responsibility I think is that your ultimate expertise

0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:15.680
<v Speaker 14>is in the constituency you represent.

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Ie.

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:20.759
<v Speaker 2>I know, as a counselor, I'm an expert in having

0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:23.960
<v Speaker 2>an opinion about the area that I represent.

0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Do you have opinions about other things? Sure, because you're

0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:26.720
<v Speaker 1>a human being.

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:29.480
<v Speaker 2>But it seems to me that where these people are

0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:31.359
<v Speaker 2>going to get themselves in trouble apart from where they

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 2>land on.

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<v Speaker 1>The issue, is in my view, kind of way out

0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:36.400
<v Speaker 1>of their lane.

0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Trying to fix intractable problems on the other side of

0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:44.239
<v Speaker 2>the world, and the response is going to be from

0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:46.520
<v Speaker 2>their leaders, get back in your lane.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, look, I think, as I said to Michael Krager

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:53.280
<v Speaker 13>last night last week, sorry, what Australians want to see

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:57.440
<v Speaker 13>is their leaders trying to promote and support harmony, bringing

0:36:57.520 --> 0:37:01.600
<v Speaker 13>communities together, showing leadership to stop the division. And so

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:07.120
<v Speaker 13>I do think these two comments by two Labor members

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:09.640
<v Speaker 13>in the New Southwalest Parliament and in the Federal Parliament

0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 13>were unhelpful. When you've got everyone in leadership positions in

0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:19.680
<v Speaker 13>labor governments across the country trying to promote harmony and

0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 13>peace and bringing people together. It's not to say there's

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:27.320
<v Speaker 13>not global significant tensions. It's not to say that people

0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:30.960
<v Speaker 13>don't have opinions that they can't voice. But what people

0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:34.240
<v Speaker 13>want right now, in particular, is the promotion of leadership

0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:37.440
<v Speaker 13>and harmony. I do want to call out, though, Paul,

0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:39.839
<v Speaker 13>because I think it is correct to say that there

0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:41.799
<v Speaker 13>is a difference. I do want to call out that.

0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:45.400
<v Speaker 13>In the New South Wales example, Anthony Diadam as a

0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:49.520
<v Speaker 13>Parliamentary secretary, is part of a leadership group of the government.

0:37:50.480 --> 0:37:52.719
<v Speaker 13>He's a man who stood up in the New South

0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:57.719
<v Speaker 13>Wales Parliament and attacked a female public servant. I think

0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:03.920
<v Speaker 13>I do think that is especially disappointing and it's not

0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:08.080
<v Speaker 13>reflective of the kinds of values that I would want

0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:10.480
<v Speaker 13>to see in a labor government.

0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Well again, what we would hope is that that the

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 2>minister's parliamentary secret is all of that. Well, of course

0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:18.359
<v Speaker 2>they're chosen by the leader to be the people who

0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:23.640
<v Speaker 2>represent their vision for the state or the country. Of course,

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:26.880
<v Speaker 2>in the Labor Party they're given the list of people

0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:28.960
<v Speaker 2>and then you have to find jobs for them. So

0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:31.360
<v Speaker 2>there's sort of factional things on it. But it is

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:34.040
<v Speaker 2>interesting that, you know, Labor never breaks ranks, but if

0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:35.719
<v Speaker 2>you're going to break ranks like this, and particularly in

0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:37.200
<v Speaker 2>this fashion, we'll all see what happens.

0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:38.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm liking this speed round. By the way.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the suggestions being discussed in Victoria at the

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:45.040
<v Speaker 2>moment is that maybe they have to get rid of

0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:47.640
<v Speaker 2>the number of golf courses in Victoria and replace them

0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:48.520
<v Speaker 2>with houses.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you reckon?

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, you're never going to catch me saying no

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:55.359
<v Speaker 8>to more housing supply, that's it. I don't think that

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:58.719
<v Speaker 8>that's necessarily the best option. I think we need to

0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 8>reform our zoning more brightly, and it needs to be

0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:04.560
<v Speaker 8>our single family zoning. It needs to be upscaled to

0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:09.200
<v Speaker 8>mid size. We need to have more townhouses, more mid

0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:13.160
<v Speaker 8>density apartments. The mid density should be upscaled to high density.

0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:16.120
<v Speaker 8>I think putting golf courses at the center, making this

0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:20.440
<v Speaker 8>a big fight in these green spaces maybe counterproductive to

0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:23.040
<v Speaker 8>the people that are wanting to see change. That said, like,

0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:26.480
<v Speaker 8>I'm not totally sympathetic to the idea of this reserved

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:29.319
<v Speaker 8>golf course green space for only people that are able

0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:31.080
<v Speaker 8>to be members of the club and are of a

0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:35.359
<v Speaker 8>certain wealthy elite, and that's stopping people from being able

0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:35.759
<v Speaker 8>to have home.

0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:36.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true.

0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:38.440
<v Speaker 2>In terms of private I mean the public golf courses,

0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:40.640
<v Speaker 2>which is in part what the City of Sydney is

0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:46.399
<v Speaker 2>discussing about whether it's eighteen or it's nine. You know again,

0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:48.080
<v Speaker 2>I get the golfers, and I know the people are

0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 2>going to be angry at the mere suggestion of this stuff,

0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:53.920
<v Speaker 2>But I'm intrigued about where the line is between you

0:39:54.000 --> 0:39:57.000
<v Speaker 2>know what, every other sport has a space. Funnily enough,

0:39:57.080 --> 0:39:59.480
<v Speaker 2>golf needs quite a lot of space for its sport.

0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:02.520
<v Speaker 2>And yes, there's public private clubs, but there has to

0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:05.759
<v Speaker 2>be public access otherwise it is just you know, sort

0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:08.080
<v Speaker 2>of polo in the city and I don't think any

0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:10.080
<v Speaker 2>of us want that for our countries.

0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 1>But what do you reckon?

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<v Speaker 13>Look, there's nothing that gets people more hot under the

0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:16.000
<v Speaker 13>collar than a debate about a golf course. And I

0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:19.240
<v Speaker 13>should know this as a counselor. But yeah, of course,

0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:21.600
<v Speaker 13>in the city of Sydney, we've worked with the New

0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:25.319
<v Speaker 13>South Wales state government basically to have some catch up

0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:27.799
<v Speaker 13>on green space. So the more part golf course will

0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:30.800
<v Speaker 13>be half from eighteen to nine holes. That's a state

0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:34.920
<v Speaker 13>government lease decision, and that will open up more open

0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:38.839
<v Speaker 13>green space for the surrounding suburbs in places like Green Square,

0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:41.279
<v Speaker 13>which are the densest part of Australia, and not just

0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:43.719
<v Speaker 13>by a little bit. We're doing, you know, hundreds and

0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:48.560
<v Speaker 13>hundreds and hundreds of new apartments, sixty thousand residents, really

0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:51.800
<v Speaker 13>dense and we do need some green space catchup. That said,

0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:54.200
<v Speaker 13>just next door in the Inner West, we've had a

0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:58.480
<v Speaker 13>labor mayor, Darcy Byrne, starkly oppose the shutting down of

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:01.160
<v Speaker 13>a golf course. I mean, look, you'd expect me to

0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:03.600
<v Speaker 13>say this poor Murray. But it's why local.

0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:07.720
<v Speaker 1>That's only when I'm in trouble. That's why local government

0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 1>decision maker, just.

0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:15.080
<v Speaker 13>Because it's important that local factors come into play here.

0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:18.280
<v Speaker 13>And I don't think there's sort of one international answer

0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:21.279
<v Speaker 13>about shutting down the golf courses to solve housing affordability.

0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:23.000
<v Speaker 13>Different things apply in different.

0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:25.239
<v Speaker 2>All winners and losers. Let's go bumper stickers. Who's you

0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:26.080
<v Speaker 2>winner loser this week?

0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:29.640
<v Speaker 8>Winner's probably actually Gina Ryan Hurrit. She's done very well

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:33.000
<v Speaker 8>in this budget. The mate in Australia, I think is

0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:37.120
<v Speaker 8>a really terrible idea that is is isolationist. It is

0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:41.359
<v Speaker 8>encouraging more more mining. We're not having the best people

0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:43.799
<v Speaker 8>doing the best things. And so we're talking about all

0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:45.360
<v Speaker 8>of the screen stuff we're talking about.

0:41:45.600 --> 0:41:47.319
<v Speaker 1>Andrew Forest is more excited about.

0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:50.760
<v Speaker 8>Forest is also very happy about all of the energy proposals.

0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:53.440
<v Speaker 8>I think those are our two big winners. The loser

0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:55.239
<v Speaker 8>is going to be Jim Thomas. I think this is

0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:59.160
<v Speaker 8>a budget that is not good for young people. Ultimately,

0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:02.040
<v Speaker 8>it's going to increase the data sit in the long run,

0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:04.919
<v Speaker 8>and that's going to hurt young people with the high

0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:06.360
<v Speaker 8>dat good stuff, lovely.

0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:08.239
<v Speaker 13>Chat look when it is Jim Channer's I think he

0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:12.080
<v Speaker 13>obviously delivered a brilliant budget but loses and we are

0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:14.880
<v Speaker 13>a bit disappointed about this. Are local governments. We were

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:17.560
<v Speaker 13>looking for more funding in the federal budget and we

0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:20.200
<v Speaker 13>were disappointed to see the government not deliver on their

0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 13>promise of fair increases for local government.

0:42:22.920 --> 0:42:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Good stuff. Thank you guys, do appreciate haveing a wonderful weekend.

0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Quick break. Nigel Ferras Nigel Farrage.

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<v Speaker 2>Is next a We're going to talk about Trump and

0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Biden debates.

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Monessy.

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<v Speaker 2>The next top on our Ourtown journey is going to

0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:39.200
<v Speaker 2>be at the end of this month in Parks. If

0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:40.759
<v Speaker 2>you would like to join us, please send me an

0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:44.200
<v Speaker 2>email tonight to Ourtown at skynews dot com dot au.

0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Big stuff around the world to talk about with Niger Ferras,

0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:48.360
<v Speaker 2>who joins us now from London. Great man, love you

0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:48.840
<v Speaker 2>to see you.

0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:55.160
<v Speaker 2>So Trump versus Biden not one but two debates. Trump

0:42:55.200 --> 0:42:57.680
<v Speaker 2>is saying there should be a third involving Fox News.

0:42:58.280 --> 0:42:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:01.279
<v Speaker 2>I think there's a lot a lot of reasons why

0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:04.239
<v Speaker 2>both of them need to be there. But what do

0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:11.760
<v Speaker 2>you think about the prospect of the clash.

0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:11.520
<v Speaker 12>Well, last time round, we had the first debate much

0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:15.520
<v Speaker 12>later on, within two days, Trump was diagnosed with COVID.

0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:17.000
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't on his game.

0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:19.640
<v Speaker 12>But the time of the second debate, and this is crucial,

0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:22.480
<v Speaker 12>but the time of the second debate when Trump trouts

0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:26.080
<v Speaker 12>Biden and everyone agreed on that, by then one hundred

0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:31.160
<v Speaker 12>million Americans had already voted. So the value of the

0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:34.480
<v Speaker 12>big head to head debate, this centerpiece of American elections.

0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:39.400
<v Speaker 12>Ever since Nixon debated Kennedy over sixty years ago, the

0:43:39.440 --> 0:43:45.320
<v Speaker 12>effect was diminished. So the timetable June September is perfect.

0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:48.160
<v Speaker 12>It gives, well, it actually gives both candidate. It's a

0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:52.600
<v Speaker 12>chance to get their message out before these ridiculous tens

0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:56.920
<v Speaker 12>of millions of mail out ballots still happen. The terms

0:43:56.920 --> 0:43:59.360
<v Speaker 12>are very much on Biden's terms. I mean, it's going

0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:03.960
<v Speaker 12>to be cn in vigilating. Trump's microphone will be turned

0:44:04.000 --> 0:44:07.719
<v Speaker 12>off when Biden's talking. And the worst part of it,

0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:09.960
<v Speaker 12>of course, is no live audience. And that's a shame

0:44:10.480 --> 0:44:13.400
<v Speaker 12>because I think, you know, good programmers can get a

0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:16.960
<v Speaker 12>neutral audience in a studio and how they react and

0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:21.680
<v Speaker 12>respond is rather important. So it's it's kind of a

0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:25.600
<v Speaker 12>watered down debate, but it is happening at the right time.

0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:27.880
<v Speaker 12>I do think a third one later on would be

0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:31.560
<v Speaker 12>a good idea. But look, from my friend Donald's perspective,

0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:33.240
<v Speaker 12>this is better than nothing.

0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, obviously, the reason Biden is going anywhere

0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:40.719
<v Speaker 2>near this or trying to create what he has been

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:44.880
<v Speaker 2>able to create about the context of the debate, he's losing,

0:44:45.320 --> 0:44:47.799
<v Speaker 2>Like currently on the poles, he is losing, and he

0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:50.440
<v Speaker 2>is losing in enough of the significant areas, and the

0:44:50.480 --> 0:44:55.200
<v Speaker 2>story of him losing is rolling and gathering more and

0:44:55.239 --> 0:44:59.080
<v Speaker 2>more momentum. So I think it's legitimately an attempt to

0:44:59.239 --> 0:45:03.000
<v Speaker 2>change the sub and also to create a whole bunch

0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:05.879
<v Speaker 2>of sort of get out of jail moments where we're

0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:08.000
<v Speaker 2>not gonna have a conversation about replacing the candidate because

0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:09.960
<v Speaker 2>there's a debate coming up and then there's another one

0:45:10.000 --> 0:45:11.040
<v Speaker 2>coming up and then it'll.

0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:11.280
<v Speaker 6>Be too.

0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:14.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:45:14.160 --> 0:45:17.240
<v Speaker 12>And also, don't forget this week, you know, major speech

0:45:17.280 --> 0:45:20.840
<v Speaker 12>from Biden about unfair trade from China or should I

0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:23.640
<v Speaker 12>say China, and you know he's.

0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Going to put tariffs on etc.

0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:29.600
<v Speaker 12>Very much, you know, straight out of the Trump playbook.

0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:33.800
<v Speaker 12>So I think what we're seeing here is a very worried, very.

0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Frightened Joe Biden.

0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:39.000
<v Speaker 12>I think you'll write about maintaining his position after the convention,

0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:42.799
<v Speaker 12>which will take place in August, worried that somebody might,

0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:45.160
<v Speaker 12>you know, somebody at the party might try and get

0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:48.960
<v Speaker 12>him replaced at that event. He's in trouble. But I've

0:45:48.960 --> 0:45:52.200
<v Speaker 12>got a good tip. Excuse me, sorry, no, no, I've

0:45:52.200 --> 0:45:54.399
<v Speaker 12>got a very good tip. Got a very good tip

0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:55.080
<v Speaker 12>for your viewers.

0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:55.520
<v Speaker 1>All right.

0:45:55.560 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 12>Now, Look, I know we're not supposed to encourage gambling,

0:45:58.560 --> 0:46:01.399
<v Speaker 12>and you can't do it, but yes, yesterday I chat

0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:05.359
<v Speaker 12>with the book makers and Trump was Evan's. And if

0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:07.759
<v Speaker 12>you don't bat, fine, if you do, Matt, I'll tell

0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:09.720
<v Speaker 12>you what, boys and girls, it's a great price.

0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:13.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm on. I love it, fantastic. All right.

0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Also, let's talk about the other thing, which of course

0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:18.320
<v Speaker 2>is the courtroom.

0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:18.680
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:21.719
<v Speaker 2>One of the reasons why I think it's also advantageous

0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:24.520
<v Speaker 2>for Trump to say yes, I'm in, is because should

0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:27.880
<v Speaker 2>we get to the result he doesn't want and a

0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:30.359
<v Speaker 2>judge's got to work out sentencing. A little difficult to

0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:32.800
<v Speaker 2>slot somebody when you know they've got a presidential debate

0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:36.640
<v Speaker 2>coming up. Rather than just the presidential election in November.

0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:40.319
<v Speaker 2>But still Michael Cohen, the lawyer who has told many

0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:43.279
<v Speaker 2>lies to many organizations, who even Maggie Hayman in the

0:46:43.280 --> 0:46:45.560
<v Speaker 2>New York Times says, has not proven the case that

0:46:45.560 --> 0:46:49.480
<v Speaker 2>Trump directed or knew how the bookkeeping was working. He's

0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:53.480
<v Speaker 2>under cross examination again. It happens in a couple of hours.

0:46:56.280 --> 0:46:58.719
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, I mean, you know, as you say, it's not

0:46:58.840 --> 0:47:02.680
<v Speaker 12>Michael Cohen, lawyer, Michael Covin liar. And everyone knows that.

0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:05.080
<v Speaker 12>Everyone knows the guy's a liar. He's got a very

0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:09.640
<v Speaker 12>bad reputation. He's not helping himself. And you know the

0:47:09.680 --> 0:47:14.040
<v Speaker 12>idea that Donald Trump did the books and looked at

0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:17.040
<v Speaker 12>the menu, shi, I mean, it's for the birds. Trump's

0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:20.520
<v Speaker 12>a big picture guy. And as you say, the case

0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:24.680
<v Speaker 12>hasn't been proven. There is just about zero chance whatever

0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:29.360
<v Speaker 12>the jury find, just about zero chance of a custodial sentence.

0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:33.680
<v Speaker 12>It's not registering in Middle America in any way at all.

0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:34.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, is.

0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:37.719
<v Speaker 12>Trump flawed on a personal level, Well, everyone knows he is,

0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:41.080
<v Speaker 12>but they don't care. What they're looking for is strong leadership.

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<v Speaker 12>That's why he's doing as well in the polls as

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<v Speaker 12>he is that's why he is going to win on

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<v Speaker 12>November the fifth, whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Happens, said, they have only got a minute to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the big news surrounding yourself and the Reform Party.

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<v Speaker 2>But you may well end up just wiping out the Conservatives.

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<v Speaker 12>The Conservatives. Oh I remember, that's right, we used to have. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 12>I'm sorry you completely nonplus me there. You mean do

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<v Speaker 12>you mean the high tax, big regulation, massive immigration people

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<v Speaker 12>that masquerade in number ten at the moment as conservatives.

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<v Speaker 1>That's obviously what.

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<v Speaker 12>You're referring to. No, no, no, no, no, no no. They don't

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<v Speaker 12>need my help to wipe themselves out, the absolute contempt

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<v Speaker 12>which a huge number of the British public now view them.

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<v Speaker 12>After all the promises they've made in twenty nineteen on

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<v Speaker 12>the back of a big Brexit vote that they have

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<v Speaker 12>actively portrayed. With or without my help, they are doomed.

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<v Speaker 2>Good stuff, Thank you, mate, I do appreciated the great

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<v Speaker 2>Nagel Faraja of course joining us each and every week.

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<v Speaker 2>That's our show for the week. We look forward to

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<v Speaker 2>seeing you again next week. We'll be here on Sunday night.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a great weekend and go Yankees.

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<v Speaker 8>Goo tiny