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Speaker 2: The said, take a look at what happened.

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Speaker 1: An unforgettable moment in American politics. A gunman shoots Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's right ear was grazed by a bullet apparently fired

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Speaker 1: by a twenty year old man who had climbed on

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Speaker 1: Here, a witness in a blood drenched USA T shirt

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Speaker 2: I said, I'm an Emerging Department physician, Bobby help you.

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Speaker 2: The guy had spun around, was jammed between the benches.

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Speaker 2: We had a headshot. Here, there's lots of blood and

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Speaker 1: On Monday, Republicans gather to endorse Trump as their candidate

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Speaker 1: at the National Convention in Milwaukee, as global condemnation of

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Speaker 1: the attack is led by Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: It's sick. It's sick.

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Speaker 4: It's one of the reason were to unite this country.

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Speaker 4: You cannot allow for this to be happening.

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Speaker 1: Week Live now at the Australian dot com dot au

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Speaker 1: we have video, graphics, explainers and analysis and in just

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Speaker 1: a moment I'm joined from the United States by our

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Speaker 1: foreign editor Greg Sheridan, who says Trump's courage under fire

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Speaker 1: changes everything. Shots ring out at a rally in Pennsylvania

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Speaker 1: The former president and presidential candidate is whisked from the podium,

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Speaker 1: stunning scene with The Australian's Foreign editor Greg Sheridan. He's

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Speaker 1: in Wisconsin this week. I'm sure you haven't spent much

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Speaker 1: time imagining what it would look like if Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: was ever in mortal danger. But he responded in a

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Speaker 2: He certainly did, And I think that will be the

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Speaker 2: iconic out of all this. When Ronald Reagan was shot,

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Speaker 4: Is American who is destroyed for social and industrial justice?

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Speaker 2: He was shot while he was delivering a speech when

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Speaker 6: Secret Service personnel neutralized the shooter, who has now deceased.

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Speaker 1: Of the most moving parts of the video of Trump

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Speaker 2: But you know, people accuse Trump of in temperate language.

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Speaker 2: But the comby our liberal left of American politics has

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Speaker 1: The one rational part of the fear about Donald Trump is,

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Speaker 1: of course, the January sixth disorder at the Capital. Greg

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Speaker 1: Greg The reports that the shooter was using an AR

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Speaker 2: These people are mentally ill, and we have to study

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Speaker 3: They pull the trigger.

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Speaker 4: The gun doesn't pull the trigger, They pull the trigger.

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Speaker 1: He's promised the National Rifle Association that if elected, no

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Speaker 4: If the Biden regime gets four more years, they are

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Speaker 2: Trump defiant taking a bullet for America. Sometimes people don't

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Speaker 1: if at all, for the Democrats? Greg We now have

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Speaker 2: I think it does, Claire. So look, I only give

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Speaker 2: the right way to run, and if you do do that,

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Speaker 2: although you know, we live in an age of infinite impossibilities.

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Speaker 2: The other thing is, I don't know if the New

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Speaker 2: go through a litany of things. Hillary Clinton paid for Dossia,

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Speaker 2: stuff about his dad. Biden and his son both denied

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Speaker 2: was one hundred percent of authentic laptop of Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 2: So those fifty one intelligence chiefs just trashed the reputation

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Speaker 2: in the debate when I'm.

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Speaker 2: Antic and in fact, I think the Democrats have been

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Speaker 2: much better serve to have little mini primary and select

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Speaker 2: one of their good state governors and a red hot

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