Speaker 1: I want the fairy tale. I want the prince charming.
Speaker 2: She how do I put this? Isn't a fan of
Speaker 2: my kissing style with.
Speaker 1: The boyfriend and girlfriend for about twelve hours because in
Speaker 1: a trash bin he's non recyclable catching her mu.
Speaker 2: I love being love. I love love.
Speaker 3: On today's episode of Where's Your Head At, we are
Speaker 3: talking about the new male contraception.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned to hear what this new controversial drug means
Speaker 2: for your sex life.
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Speaker 1: Hey Matt, Hey Anna, how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm good and how are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing well.
Speaker 2: So did you manage to download that apple I was
Speaker 2: telling you about.
Speaker 1: Earlier I had with this app?
Speaker 3: I think you should tell everyone about it because it's
Speaker 3: very interesting.
Speaker 2: All right. So Jen and I were laying in bed
Speaker 2: the other day and her twin sister, Nikki, messages her
Speaker 2: and says, hey, I've got this app. You and match
Speaker 2: should try it. And I was like, oh, well, tell
Speaker 2: us a bit about this app. So How it works
Speaker 2: is the concept's pretty simple. It's for baby names, but
Speaker 2: it works like Tinder. So Jen downloads it, I download it,
Speaker 2: and we just swipe on names.
Speaker 3: So basically, if the name Tom comes up, you both
Speaker 3: swipe left and right, and if you both like the name,
Speaker 3: you hit a match.
Speaker 2: You get a match. Yes, So there was all different
Speaker 2: types of names and I'll swipe and right, swipe and left.
Speaker 2: So it was Jen and there was a couple of matches.
Speaker 1: Actually there was what was the matches? Can you?
Speaker 2: I don't want to because in case I think feel
Speaker 2: like that's bad luck if I share it, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: Actually people do like hide their baby names until the bad.
Speaker 2: No, but we've already just it on one. So this
Speaker 2: art was more just trial to see if there was
Speaker 2: anything else we liked cue.
Speaker 1: So this is like this is like a modern day Tinder,
Speaker 1: but for couples.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to download it. That sounds like
Speaker 1: a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Well do you and Michael have any names planned out yet?
Speaker 1: Or this has become like a baby podcast?
Speaker 2: Well that's how we're growing. We're moving fast here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're evolving.
Speaker 3: We do have names but I mean, look, let's reverse
Speaker 3: a little bit. I've had in my notes section in
Speaker 3: my phone for literally as long as I can remember,
Speaker 3: Like I reckon, I was eighteen when I started this.
Speaker 3: I had a list of all the baby names that
Speaker 3: I've loved. Has it changed, Yeah, the list has evolved
Speaker 3: over time.
Speaker 2: Do you change it every new partner or do you
Speaker 2: just keep the same name each partner?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like if I had agreed on a name with someone,
Speaker 3: like an ex boyfriend, that gets crossed out. Like I
Speaker 3: basically read Michael the list and then and he was like, yes,
Speaker 3: I love that name. I love that name, but this
Speaker 3: is very, very far into the future, like we're not
Speaker 3: thinking about baby's FYI. But I just thought it was
Speaker 3: funny that Matt and Jener already swiping left and right
Speaker 3: for baby names.
Speaker 2: It was good for a Sunday morning swipe. You know,
Speaker 2: I'd normally do that hungover in bed on a Sunday,
Speaker 2: just swipe on the dating app. So it was just
Speaker 2: my way of doing it now that I'm in love
Speaker 2: and got a partner.
Speaker 1: Gave you that little fix, right, that little.
Speaker 2: Serotonin hit when a match would come up.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, I am interested now that we're
Speaker 3: talking about babies to kind of hear if you have
Speaker 3: any little updates on your fertility journey.
Speaker 2: So where I left it last, it's pretty much at
Speaker 2: the same place. So I had a long, in depth
Speaker 2: conversation with Genevieve about it, and we just both agreed
Speaker 2: that when it comes time to have a baby, I
Speaker 2: will have that surgery. So it's the doctor recommended to
Speaker 2: have the surgery when your partner is there. So they
Speaker 2: put the sperm straight into the egg. That's if they
Speaker 2: find sperm in my balls.
Speaker 3: Right, So basically the surgery, I don't know, Just correct
Speaker 3: me if I'm wrong. The surgery was when they open
Speaker 3: up the testicle, they'll look for sperm Phase one is
Speaker 3: basically and hopefully they'll find the sperm.
Speaker 1: If they don't find the sperm.
Speaker 2: That conversation we haven't had yet.
Speaker 3: Right, But if they do find the sperm, which I'm
Speaker 3: sure and hope they will.
Speaker 2: Fingers crossed And that's the way I'm leaning like my
Speaker 2: life that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, manifesting that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if they do find it, then what is jen
Speaker 3: under anesthetic?
Speaker 2: I think they might freeze it or they might have
Speaker 2: her egg already to go. We're not sure one hundred percent,
Speaker 2: but that they said the quickest way and the best
Speaker 2: results is when her egg is ready to go straight away.
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure how they'll do that. We'll have
Speaker 2: to look more into that.
Speaker 3: But the main thing is is you guys have had
Speaker 3: that conversation. That's the path you both decided to go down,
Speaker 3: and like, that's really exciting.
Speaker 2: That, Yeah it is. Look, those chats have to happen earlier,
Speaker 2: I guess in the situation, I mean, or else down
Speaker 2: the future. If we don't see eye to eye on it,
Speaker 2: it could cause some dramas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exciting. I'm excited. May going to be an
Speaker 1: Auntie Thoon.
Speaker 3: He's got the ab, he's organizing the surgery.
Speaker 2: Maybe not too soon. Let's just see how things go on.
Speaker 2: All this kid's talk. And I saw your story last
Speaker 2: week and you were posting about the new male contraceptive pill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited, all.
Speaker 2: Right, So we'll jump into that next all right, And
Speaker 2: before we jump into this new scientific masterpiece of a
Speaker 2: male contraceptive pill, what contraceptions have you been on?
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like I've done it all.
Speaker 3: So I started when I was seventeen. I think on
Speaker 3: the pill. I think I went through three different pills
Speaker 3: and they all just completely fucked with me. Like one
Speaker 3: I was super moody, one I think I gained a
Speaker 3: little bit of weight, and then another one affected my
Speaker 3: skin badly.
Speaker 2: They're all the main side effects.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they're the main symptoms, but I just wasn't
Speaker 3: happy with any of them. So then I decided to
Speaker 3: try the implan on, which is the rod in your arm,
Speaker 3: which I have a scar from having. That was really bad.
Speaker 3: I basically was on it for like six months and
Speaker 3: then I got my period and I had it for
Speaker 3: three weeks straight, so went to the doctor. They immediately
Speaker 3: took it out, and then from there they said I
Speaker 3: could get injections, and I actually decided against that because
Speaker 3: the doctor said that one of the side effects to
Speaker 3: that was it can make your bones really weak.
Speaker 1: So I was just like no, like, definitely don't want
Speaker 1: to do that.
Speaker 3: And then I eventually ended up having the marina, which
Speaker 3: they basically put inside.
Speaker 1: But when I.
Speaker 3: Got that, I had a really adverse reaction to that.
Speaker 3: Was in bed for like two days straight. Was the
Speaker 3: worst pain I'd ever felt. When they put it in,
Speaker 3: I thought I was gonna faint and vomit all at the.
Speaker 2: Same time, aren't you under No.
Speaker 3: No, they'd given me medication to kind of like dull
Speaker 3: down the pain, but I felt everything like it was
Speaker 3: honestly one of the worst experiences of my life, to
Speaker 3: the point that I was actually traumatized. And when I
Speaker 3: got it taken out, because I had to get it
Speaker 3: taken out in the doctor's office again, on my way there,
Speaker 3: I was literally shaking.
Speaker 1: I was so stressed out.
Speaker 3: And so then after getting it taken out, because it
Speaker 3: lasts for five years, I realized I needed to get
Speaker 3: more contraception again because it's a woman's job apparently, and
Speaker 3: I actually opted to go under. So I had surgery
Speaker 3: to get it put back in because it was the only.
Speaker 1: One that agreed with me.
Speaker 2: So you still have it now.
Speaker 1: I still have it now, but I'm like terrified to
Speaker 1: get it to take out.
Speaker 2: Wherever us does it sit?
Speaker 1: So it sits in your uterus.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I've been through a huge amount of birth
Speaker 3: control and it's actually been quite traumatizing and taxing on
Speaker 3: my mental health but also my body. Like I've been
Speaker 3: on contraception now for eleven years, so I think when
Speaker 3: I saw it.
Speaker 1: Was on like morning TV.
Speaker 3: I saw that, like there was a male contraception, and
Speaker 3: my eyes like lit up, and I.
Speaker 1: Was like, hallelujah, the day has.
Speaker 3: Finally come time to put that responsibility onto someone else.
Speaker 1: So I was very excited.
Speaker 2: So when you were watching this morning show, what were
Speaker 2: they exactly saying, what's a new update on this contraceptive pill?
Speaker 2: Because I heard about ten years ago they tried this
Speaker 2: but they went silent and nothing came of it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so basically they've done a lot of trials.
Speaker 3: I mean, contraception came out in the nineteen sixties for women,
Speaker 3: and you'd think in that time that the sign would
Speaker 3: have developed male contraception, but it's just totally been lacking.
Speaker 3: So the last contraception for male they said there was
Speaker 3: too many side effects and it wasn't approved. But this
Speaker 3: one that they have recently done on mice has proven
Speaker 3: to be ninety nine percent effective in preventing pregnancy, which
Speaker 3: is amazing. And there are possible side effects, but they're
Speaker 3: like any other side effect that I guess a woman
Speaker 3: has to encounter, which is acne, headaches, reduce sex drive, fatigue,
Speaker 3: a little bit of weight gain, and mild erectile dysfunction.
Speaker 2: So say a man went on this pill, I'll call
Speaker 2: it a cycle of this contraceptive pill, so it would
Speaker 2: shut down their sperm production how long until they could
Speaker 2: reproduce sperm.
Speaker 3: So basically the research found that after four to six
Speaker 3: weeks the mice could reproduce again.
Speaker 1: So it's basically exactly like.
Speaker 3: Any sort of contraception that women use. And as soon
Speaker 3: as you go off it, in about a month or
Speaker 3: two months max. Everything kind of regulates and is back
Speaker 3: to normal.
Speaker 2: I's producing those again. Yeah, So has this been tested
Speaker 2: on humans yet or is it just mice? What's to
Speaker 2: go there? Because I'm not putting anything in my body.
Speaker 2: It's just been tested.
Speaker 1: On mice, so it's been tested on mice.
Speaker 3: But they're starting phase one trials on humans, hopefully by.
Speaker 1: The end of this year.
Speaker 3: So the end is in sight for all of those
Speaker 3: women out there who have been on contraception their whole lives.
Speaker 1: If you're anything like me and pretty much everyone I know.
Speaker 1: But I have a question for you, Matt.
Speaker 3: If the contraception pill was readily available to you, and
Speaker 3: I know this is touchy because obviously you're infertile, but
Speaker 3: before you found that information out. Let's go back.
Speaker 1: To when you're eighteen.
Speaker 3: Maybe you see keeping around with a lot of girls
Speaker 3: potentially having unprotected sex, or going home to a girl's
Speaker 3: house at four o'clock in the morning, very drunk, very hazy,
Speaker 3: and not really getting that condom on very well, do
Speaker 3: you think that this is an option that you could
Speaker 3: potentially get around?
Speaker 2: Sure, i'd definitely. I would definitely take the male contraceptive pill.
Speaker 2: I mean, I have a vitamin routine every morning in
Speaker 2: the night, so it's not hard for me just to
Speaker 2: put that pill in that tray of pills, so that
Speaker 2: would be easy done to take. But look safe sex
Speaker 2: to me matters like I think all about all that,
Speaker 2: But if I have a partner that I'm having continuous
Speaker 2: sex with, I don't want to be wearing a condom
Speaker 2: I didn't back in the day. So if they weren't
Speaker 2: open to taking a contraceptive, I'm more than happy to
Speaker 2: step up and take that pill to prevent an unwanted pregnancy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what about your friends? Do you think your friends
Speaker 3: would be on board with it?
Speaker 2: I had a discussion with him when we spoke about this,
Speaker 2: and you put your story up. I got a lot
Speaker 2: of mixed reactions. Really, yeah, some of my roomis were like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, just like uming and ring
Speaker 2: about it. I talked them into it a little bit,
Speaker 2: but they were still arming and ring. They were like,
Speaker 2: show me some actual scientific research first.
Speaker 3: Yes. See, Look, that whole dialogue pisses me off because
Speaker 3: it makes me just like so frustrated, because I feel
Speaker 3: like it's so ingrained in our society that contraception is
Speaker 3: a woman's responsibility. And I think the reason why that
Speaker 3: pisses me off so much is because women are expected
Speaker 3: not only to carry children for nine months, they're also
Speaker 3: expected to deliver that child out of a very small place,
Speaker 3: and they're also expected to go through menopause. So I mean,
Speaker 3: I think that probably shows a lack of maturity, I
Speaker 3: would say on some of your friend's parts who aren't
Speaker 3: really keen and who are worried about the side effects,
Speaker 3: because I mean, as I mentioned to you before, like
Speaker 3: I've gone through ten years of trauma having contraception, So
Speaker 3: I mean it would be amazing for men to step up,
Speaker 3: even if they get a bit of a headache, or
Speaker 3: even if they're going to gain a little bit away.
Speaker 1: Because we've been dealing with that our whole lives.
Speaker 2: So have you spoken to Michael about this pill? Would
Speaker 2: Michael be happy to take it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: So I've spoken to Michael about this and he said
Speaker 3: that if there is a pill that's approved form men,
Speaker 3: he would be more than happy to take on that responsibility,
Speaker 3: which obviously is the correct answer.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, Michael did make a joke and was like,
Speaker 1: but I want to have a baby, so maybe I
Speaker 1: wouldn't take it. Oh my god, don't baby trat me.
Speaker 3: Being responsible for birth control, in my opinion, should be
Speaker 3: a male's responsibility because men are fertile every single day
Speaker 3: of the year.
Speaker 1: If you have like your fertility.
Speaker 3: It's fine, And women are fertile for about a week
Speaker 3: every month, So I mean, you would think that it
Speaker 3: would be a male responsibility.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that come down to more communication then, Like, shouldn't
Speaker 2: a woman say this is my most fertile time, let's
Speaker 2: take precaution around this week.
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, but I think it's just always been
Speaker 3: a woman's responsibility in society, Like the only two things
Speaker 3: that a man can do is use condoms or get
Speaker 3: a vasectomy to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. Whereas women have
Speaker 3: all these options, so people feel like, well, it probably
Speaker 3: should be her responsibility people in their like teens and
Speaker 3: twenties who are having sex. I feel like guys would
Speaker 3: want to be able to have that option to protect
Speaker 3: themselves from unwanted pregnancies or that baby trapping that no
Speaker 3: one likes to talk about, but like guys are scared
Speaker 3: of happening, or I mean, these things have happened. I
Speaker 3: know people who have had kids when the guy didn't want.
Speaker 2: To, there'd be a lot of celebrities that would want
Speaker 2: to take it. Like do you hear that story about
Speaker 2: how Drake puts the tabasco in his condom?
Speaker 1: No, what happened.
Speaker 2: So when he has sex with the girl and he
Speaker 2: takes the condom off, he'd put it away in the bathroom,
Speaker 2: but he put a bit of tabasco in there because
Speaker 2: he'd had girls trying to put it back inside of
Speaker 2: them to get pregnant and baby trap him. So she
Speaker 2: used the sperm that was in the condom, but he'd
Speaker 2: already put tabasco in there, So when up her vagina
Speaker 2: and like burnt her. Have you know that was a
Speaker 2: couple of months ago, that story got leaked.
Speaker 1: No, I've never heard.
Speaker 2: I'll find it and I'll show it to you.
Speaker 3: Look, I think that contraception should be an individual responsibility.
Speaker 3: Like if I'm having sex with someone and I've chosen
Speaker 3: to have unprotected sex, which we absolutely do not condone,
Speaker 3: and where's your head at? You should be able to
Speaker 3: protect yourself. And it shouldn't just be women who can
Speaker 3: protect themselves as well. Well, Okay, Matt, we've spoke about
Speaker 3: individuals and how it should be their choice if they
Speaker 3: want to protect themselves, but let's talk about people in relationships,
Speaker 3: because I think that the male contraception really benefits people
Speaker 3: in relationships.
Speaker 2: I agree, because you can't always trust a bloke that's
Speaker 2: going to say he's on the pill. Imagine these one
Speaker 2: night stands and a guy's like, no, no, no, don't worry,
Speaker 2: I'm on the pill.
Speaker 3: But I mean, are they really going to lie if
Speaker 3: they could potentially cause an unwanted pregnancy?
Speaker 2: A dumb, horny eighteen to nineteen year old boy probably would.
Speaker 2: You can't trust him, You can't, Like, he just wants
Speaker 2: to get in and out, he wants to do what
Speaker 2: he needs to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's just immature. And I just like I
Speaker 3: can't buy into that dialogue. I think if you're having sex,
Speaker 3: that comes down to sex ed and really like, if
Speaker 3: you're having sex with someone, you need to be on
Speaker 3: top of that. And I think if you think that
Speaker 3: a kid at nineteen is going to have sex with
Speaker 3: someone and lie about being on the male contraceptive pill,
Speaker 3: we have bigger issues in our society then, because.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And even surely if they did lie about it and
Speaker 3: they said, Okay, I'm on the male pill, surely as
Speaker 3: soon as that horniness spark has left their body, like
Speaker 3: with other things, that they'd be like, oops, sorry, my
Speaker 3: horniness got the better of me, and we probably should
Speaker 3: go take the morning after pill, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully, because I mean, or else he'd be someone's
Speaker 2: baby daddy paying child support for the next eighteen years.
Speaker 1: He'd be liable for that baby.
Speaker 2: All right, So let's talk about relationships. Anna, this is
Speaker 2: more for you than me. If this male contraceptive becomes
Speaker 2: in store and it's accessible, would you want Michael to
Speaker 2: take it?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I think I've put my body through
Speaker 3: Helen back, not just physically but also emotionally mentally, and
Speaker 3: you know, I've been on contraception for eleven years, and
Speaker 3: I think, you know, it would be nice to give
Speaker 3: my body a break and to be able to just
Speaker 3: like balance out those hormones. And yeah, if I didn't
Speaker 3: want to have a baby, I would love for Michael
Speaker 3: to take the male contraception.
Speaker 2: Is there any side effects of taking women's contraception for
Speaker 2: too long?
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's like so many side effects. When I posted
Speaker 3: this on social media, this girl actually DMed me and
Speaker 3: she said to me that she was only allowed to
Speaker 3: be on contraception for three years, that's what the doctor
Speaker 3: told her, and any longer than that and it would
Speaker 3: do some serious damage to her body. There was also
Speaker 3: another girl who said that she had a brain humor
Speaker 3: because of contraception. People have strokes all the time because
Speaker 3: of contraception. As amazing as the science is to be
Speaker 3: able to prevent pregnancy ninety nine point nine percent of
Speaker 3: the time, like, there are subsequent effects. And I think
Speaker 3: society has expected women to just take on this burden
Speaker 3: essentially because it is a burden and we've just worn
Speaker 3: it for years and years and years, and like, people
Speaker 3: do stay on contraception for the majority of their life
Speaker 3: until they hit menopause to prevent unwanted pregnancies. And you know,
Speaker 3: I do believe that it is time for men to
Speaker 3: step up. And I'm pretty disappointed, if I'm being honest,
Speaker 3: that it's taken until twenty twenty two for there even
Speaker 3: to be any sort of breakthrough when it's been around
Speaker 3: for so many years.
Speaker 2: All right, so this is a massive breakthrough in modern medicine, Anna,
Speaker 2: But when we finally get access to this, it's going
Speaker 2: to be a game changer. And hopefully there's a lot
Speaker 2: of men out there that stand up and take this
Speaker 2: responsibility and burden off their partner and they take the
Speaker 2: male contraceptive pill. How do you see the next couple
Speaker 2: of years playing out with this?
Speaker 3: Look, I think when we finally get access to this,
Speaker 3: which I'm hoping will be sooner rather than later, but
Speaker 3: I don't see this really making headway onto our shelves
Speaker 3: for at least two to three.
Speaker 1: Years, like minimum.
Speaker 3: But look, I think with couples, I feel like the
Speaker 3: male partner will take that responsibility from their female partner.
Speaker 3: And look in regards to individuals, I think that there'll
Speaker 3: be way more guys stepping up to take the pill.
Speaker 3: I think people want to have that power, and they
Speaker 3: want to be in control of their own life. To
Speaker 3: be honest, no one wants the stress of an unplanned pregnancy.
Speaker 1: There's so much financial pressure that comes with that.
Speaker 3: It's a total lifestyle change, and you know, I think
Speaker 3: everyone needs to be responsible for their own actions.
Speaker 1: I guess