WEBVTT - Sharri | 18 March

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<v Speaker 1>Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Evening tonight to the Albanezy government blames the weather

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<v Speaker 2>and Donald Trump for their budget position. Ray Hadley will

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<v Speaker 2>get stuck in live on the show Peter Duvlan's Trump

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<v Speaker 2>like push to deport dual citizen criminals.

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<v Speaker 3>The left are up in arms.

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<v Speaker 2>The Victorian crime wave is so bad that Steve Price

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<v Speaker 2>was caught up in the aftermath of a robbery.

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<v Speaker 3>He'll tell us about it shortly. Plus Liberal leader in.

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<v Speaker 2>New South Wales Mark Speakman caught out negotiating with the

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<v Speaker 2>anti Israel Greens after claiming he'd done no such thing.

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<v Speaker 2>My fire interview with the Greens where they insist on

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinian protesters having the right to harass Jews outside synagogues.

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<v Speaker 2>They should be able to harass Jews outside synagogues.

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<v Speaker 4>I absolutely stand with them.

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<v Speaker 2>That interview coming up. Plus the White House bags Israel

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<v Speaker 2>strikes on her muss. That's all on the show tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>But first, economists have warned loudly that Labor needed to

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<v Speaker 2>keep its pre election spending in check because the inflation

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<v Speaker 2>battle wasn't over. Economists said it was premature for the

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<v Speaker 2>RBA to cut rates when inflation wasn't back in target

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<v Speaker 2>range yet both the Albanezy government and the RBA effectively

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<v Speaker 2>declared mission accomplished when they celebrated a rate cut last month.

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<v Speaker 2>We warned at the time and all the economists on

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<v Speaker 2>the show said that this was reckless when inflation was

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<v Speaker 2>still a problem, the cost of living crisis still hurting families.

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<v Speaker 2>Well exactly a month later, those warnings have come to pass. Today,

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<v Speaker 2>the OECD said it expects inflation to be slightly higher

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia and globally.

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<v Speaker 3>It also has.

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<v Speaker 2>Downgrade did GDP growth projections for this year and next,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Secretary General matiirs Cormon said that inflation will

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<v Speaker 2>remain higher for longer. Of course, he pointed to global

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<v Speaker 2>uncertainty and Trump's tariffs in part, but he also warned

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<v Speaker 2>that fiscal and monetary policy should remain, in his words, prudent.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of his message is that governments should be cautious

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<v Speaker 2>with spending.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, in the end, you know, it's all about

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<v Speaker 5>of what is fiscally affordable and physically sustainable as well.

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<v Speaker 5>And part of our advice to countries around the world,

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<v Speaker 5>including in Europe, is to keep an eye on debt

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<v Speaker 5>sustainability on the need to rebuild fiscal buffers and fiscal resilience.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, economists have repeatedly warned that if Labour's records spending continued,

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<v Speaker 2>inflation would rise again. This is the last thing we

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<v Speaker 2>all need. And yet this says precisely what's at risk

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<v Speaker 2>of happening. Government spending is at record levels, with a

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<v Speaker 2>thirty percent rise on long run average. Yet the Albanezy government,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, doesn't accept any responsibility for rising inflation and

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<v Speaker 2>slowing growth. They blame Donald Trump, China, the Russia Ukraine War,

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<v Speaker 2>even the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 3>And Treasurer Jim.

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<v Speaker 2>Chalmers reinforced that narrative today in a major speech.

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<v Speaker 6>The global economy is volatile and it's unpredictable. There's a

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<v Speaker 6>new US administration disrupting trade, there's a slowdown in China,

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<v Speaker 6>there's war in Eastern Europe and a very fragile ceasefire

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<v Speaker 6>in the Middle East. Division and dissatisfaction around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course just hours later that ceasefire in the

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<v Speaker 2>Middle East is no longer. And he also spoke about

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<v Speaker 2>the weather and the impact of ex tropical Cyclone Alfred.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's really.

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump who is becoming the villain for the Albanezy government.

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<v Speaker 2>He'll be single handedly blamed for poor economic conditions here

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia.

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<v Speaker 6>It's clear now that the rules that underpinned global economic

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<v Speaker 6>engagement for more than forty years are being rewritten. The

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<v Speaker 6>whole world has changed. We've seen that change accelerate since

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<v Speaker 6>Inauguration Day in the US.

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<v Speaker 2>But The Australian's Political editor Simon Benson writes today that

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<v Speaker 2>the Albanezy government has never accepted responsibility for rising inflation

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<v Speaker 2>or slow growth. It's always been global factors overseas.

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<v Speaker 3>Was never their own economic management.

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<v Speaker 2>Benson writes it has been a similar story of all

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<v Speaker 2>Labour's budgets since it came to office in twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 2>without Trump, and none of it has been the government's fault.

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<v Speaker 3>The rest of the planets to blame. He says.

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<v Speaker 2>The narrative was much the same in twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>but without the Trump factor. This time, however, the new

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<v Speaker 2>boogeyman is Trump, and he claims the US President's influence

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<v Speaker 2>on the global economy is seismic. But Benson says Trump

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<v Speaker 2>will be a convenient cover for what he calls a

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<v Speaker 2>sea of red ink that will underline the budget position

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<v Speaker 2>over the next decade. Now, the problem with this argument

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<v Speaker 2>is that the impact of Trump's steel and aluminium tariffs

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<v Speaker 2>to our economy is minuscule. The Australian reports that Treasury

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<v Speaker 2>Estimates estimates the direct hit to GDP from steel and

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<v Speaker 2>aluminium tariffs would be less than noer point not two

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<v Speaker 2>percent by twenty thirty. But it's clear categorically now that

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<v Speaker 2>the time of federal surpluses is over, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>why Albanezi was so reluctant to hold a federal budget,

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<v Speaker 2>because he loved to be able to point to the

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<v Speaker 2>surpluses as proof that he was a stable economic manager.

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<v Speaker 7>We also have been determined to return the budget to surplus,

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<v Speaker 7>replacing those liberal deficits with labor surpluses. All of these

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<v Speaker 7>measures aimed at alleviating cost of living pressures, whilst at

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<v Speaker 7>the same time delivering two budget surpluses.

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<v Speaker 3>For the first time.

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<v Speaker 7>In two decades, we contributed additional funding in our budgets

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<v Speaker 7>while delivering two budget surpluses. Again, easy to remember the

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<v Speaker 7>number of budget surpluses under the former government.

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<v Speaker 2>But now that he can't deliver a surplus, he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to blame Donald Trump. Trump, who won't take his phone cause,

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<v Speaker 2>who won't invite him to the White House, who won't

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<v Speaker 2>meet with his ambassador, and who won't roll out the

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<v Speaker 2>red carpet for a left leaning pro Palestinian, weak and

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<v Speaker 2>uncharismatic Prime Minister Well Albert Easy can blame Trump all

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<v Speaker 2>he likes. The revised inflation forecasts make it clear now

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<v Speaker 2>that the quarter of a present rate cut was premature

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<v Speaker 2>and the IBA board also has.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot to answer for now.

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<v Speaker 2>Throughout this anti Semitism crisis, right around the country we

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<v Speaker 2>have begged for tough leadership and for strong action. Well

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<v Speaker 2>tonight I can reveal that New South Wales Liberal leader,

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<v Speaker 2>a liberal leader, Mark Speakman, worked with the anti Israel Greens,

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<v Speaker 2>to set up a parliamentary inquiry to examine the laws

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<v Speaker 2>that ban Palestinian protests outside of synagogues, and that tough

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<v Speaker 2>and hate speech Speakman sided with the Greens and the

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<v Speaker 2>pro Palestinian movement to demand an inquiry into when Premier

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Mins knew that the caravan didn't pose a live

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<v Speaker 2>terror threat. Now this inquiry has been used by the

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<v Speaker 2>Greens as a backdoor to repeal the hate speech laws,

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<v Speaker 2>the laws that Mark Speakman claims to support but if

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<v Speaker 2>he truly supported them, he wouldn't be calling for an

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<v Speaker 2>inquiry into the way in which they were introduced. This

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<v Speaker 2>is truly utterly extraordinary from Speakman and the New South

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<v Speaker 2>Wales Coalition. Now Mark Speakman this afternoon on two GB

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<v Speaker 2>Radio denied that anyone in the coalition, as far as

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<v Speaker 2>he was aware, had negotiated with the Greens on this inquiry.

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<v Speaker 8>Have a listen so with the inquiry the way this works,

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<v Speaker 8>and there were a lot of parliamentary inquiries and lots

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<v Speaker 8>of issues for our listeners that may not follow this

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<v Speaker 8>process closely. But how did the terms of reference, what

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<v Speaker 8>the inquiry looks at, how is that developed? Do you

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<v Speaker 8>sit down with Sue Higginson, for instance, he was on

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<v Speaker 8>my show yesterday from the Greens to develop the plan.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I have had absolutely no communication with Sue Higginson

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<v Speaker 9>or any Green on this. I don't believe any of

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<v Speaker 9>my colleagues in the Upper House have either, But do

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<v Speaker 9>you have to ask them there? But I certainly had

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<v Speaker 9>no communication with her directly or indirectly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he might need to clarify that statement because it

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<v Speaker 2>was wrong. Sue Higginson, she's the Greens MLC. She's on

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<v Speaker 2>my show tonight. It was a fiery interview. She told

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<v Speaker 2>me today on the phone and again in this interview

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<v Speaker 2>that she had negotiated the terms of reference with the

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<v Speaker 2>coalition and that it went back and forth. I also

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<v Speaker 2>spoke this afternoon with Liberal MLC Damien Tudorhope and he

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<v Speaker 2>confirmed that his office had been involved in negotiating the

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<v Speaker 2>terms of reference with the Libertarians and the Greens. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the terms of reference call for an inquiry into the

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<v Speaker 2>relationship between the Dural caravan incident and the hate speech

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<v Speaker 2>laws along with the laws that ban protests outside synagogues.

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<v Speaker 2>To be very clear about this, this is what the

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<v Speaker 2>terms of reference state.

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<v Speaker 3>Have a look.

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<v Speaker 2>They say, any references to the incident in any briefing

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<v Speaker 2>materials prepared the development, introduction and debate, and it goes

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<v Speaker 2>through the laws the legislation there. Now, the inquiry will

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<v Speaker 2>be open to submissions and no doubt one of them

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<v Speaker 2>will be from the Palestine Action Group who want the

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<v Speaker 2>laws repealed to be able to protest outside of synagogues.

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<v Speaker 3>Have a look.

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<v Speaker 10>These laws are unconstitutional, they're undemocratic, they never should have

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<v Speaker 10>been passed. They were rushed through based on lies and

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<v Speaker 10>deception by this government. They need to be repealed immediately.

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<v Speaker 10>Chris Mins should actually resign in disgrace given the role

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<v Speaker 10>that he's played in lying to the Parliament and the

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<v Speaker 10>people of New South Wales. There are very few places

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<v Speaker 10>left in Sydney where anyone could protest if these laws

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<v Speaker 10>are allowed.

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<v Speaker 2>To stand, protest anywhere else, just not outside a place

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<v Speaker 2>of worship. Now, that was the Palestinian Action Group outside

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<v Speaker 2>the New Southwes Supreme Court today where they are launching

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<v Speaker 2>a legal challenge against the laws. That, as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>band protests outside of synagogues, So they want the right

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<v Speaker 2>to harass Jews outside of a synagogue, a place of worship,

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<v Speaker 2>a place where people pray, that has nothing to do

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<v Speaker 2>with the Middle East. These are Mark Speakman's bedfellows. How

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<v Speaker 2>embarrassing for a liberal leader. Now you may recall that

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<v Speaker 2>late last year it unfolded as we went to air

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<v Speaker 2>on this show Jews were locked down in the Great

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<v Speaker 2>Synagogue in the City of Sydney because of a Rabbid

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<v Speaker 2>mob outside barring their exit. Again, we've seen protests outside

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<v Speaker 2>synagogues in Melbourne two Again the Greens and these pro

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinian protesters are the bedfellows of Mark Speakman. The very

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<v Speaker 2>idea built into the terms of reference is that these

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<v Speaker 2>laws were introduced in a rush in response to the

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<v Speaker 2>notion that.

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<v Speaker 3>The caravan was a terror threat. But that's rubbish.

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<v Speaker 2>As Alex Rifchen pointed out here last night, Jewish community

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<v Speaker 2>groups have been campaigning for stronger hate speech laws, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>since October seven, but even before that.

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<v Speaker 11>For a long time we've advocated for stricter laws against

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<v Speaker 11>incitement of this sort. It's not about speech, it's not

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<v Speaker 11>about the exchange of ideas. We're talking about words that

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<v Speaker 11>are intended to incite hatred and violence in our communities.

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<v Speaker 12>That's something extremely serious. And after October seven, we of

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<v Speaker 12>course saw a whole series of clerics again glorifying the

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<v Speaker 12>Hammas attacks, encouraging the followers to do likewise, speaking specifically

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<v Speaker 12>of Jews in the most violent hatreul terms imaginable, and

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<v Speaker 12>there's no real remedy criminally, and.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, the laws are so weak that Jewish groups

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<v Speaker 2>have had to take their own action against hate preachers

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<v Speaker 2>because the police were unable to do so, and the

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<v Speaker 2>ECAJ launched legal action in the Federal Court against one preacher,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, with some haddad for hate speech, for comments

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<v Speaker 2>like this.

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<v Speaker 13>Towards the end the times, when the Muslims will be

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<v Speaker 13>fighting the Jews, the trees will speak, the stone will speak,

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<v Speaker 13>and I will say, oh Muslim, oh believer, there is

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<v Speaker 13>a yohodi behind me, Come and kill him Manhaula, the

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<v Speaker 13>Habiyun ha ula yakum, almost Saha yina.

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<v Speaker 2>And I couldn't play all of their sermons. There was

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<v Speaker 2>so much more. Police couldn't take action because it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>meet the criminal threshold.

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<v Speaker 3>A new southeles.

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<v Speaker 2>Police have said on the record in public that tougher

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<v Speaker 2>laws are needed because the current ones are impossible to

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<v Speaker 2>prosecute either the hate preachers or the aggressive protesters, even

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<v Speaker 2>if it is anti Semitism or inciting violence.

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<v Speaker 14>Whilst I find the things that you're talking about offensive,

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<v Speaker 14>they need to meet.

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<v Speaker 3>Illegals prayers the Jews, f the Jews. That is hate speech,

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<v Speaker 3>that is racism that can't be interpreted in any other way.

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<v Speaker 14>I'm not arguing that it's hate speech, but doesn't meet

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<v Speaker 14>a criminal threshold for the police to prosecute. That's the question.

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<v Speaker 2>So clearly police felt they couldn't take action with the

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<v Speaker 2>current laws now. The Greens don't support these laws at all.

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<v Speaker 2>And I spoke, as I said, with Green's MLC Sue

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<v Speaker 2>Higginson today and she told me that she wants this

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<v Speaker 2>inquiry because she doesn't support the laws all the way

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<v Speaker 2>they were introduced. She thinks the entire anti Semitism crisis

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<v Speaker 2>has been confected. She supports the Palestinians who want to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to protest outside synagogues, and she wants other

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<v Speaker 2>groups like the LGBTQI sector to be included in the

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<v Speaker 2>hate speech laws, which is absurd. Yet in the Lower House, Speakman,

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<v Speaker 2>the Liberal leader, is backing the same attack as the

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<v Speaker 2>Greens on the Men's government.

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<v Speaker 15>On what date were you first briefed that the Dural

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<v Speaker 15>caravan incident could be a fake terrorism plot?

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<v Speaker 2>So that Speakman repeating the use of the word fake

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<v Speaker 2>that I spoke about last night, perpetuating the narrative that

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<v Speaker 2>this is all a fake crisis, a fake antisemitism threat. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Men's answered that police have already said publicly that

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<v Speaker 2>they ruled out it was a genuine live terror threat

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<v Speaker 2>on February the twenty first, but they weren't ready to

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<v Speaker 2>go public until March the tenth because they had counter

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<v Speaker 2>surveillance operations running. Now Chris Men's caught out this nonsense

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<v Speaker 2>of a fake narrative.

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<v Speaker 16>I want to make it clear, however, that despite it

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<v Speaker 16>not being terrorism as it's defined, this did instill terror

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<v Speaker 16>into members of our community. It was designed to stroke

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<v Speaker 16>fear into large segments of the New South Wales population.

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<v Speaker 1>And the threat was real.

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<v Speaker 16>Police were alleging court that individuals tried to fire bomb

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<v Speaker 16>and destroy property owned in the eastern suburbs of Sydney

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<v Speaker 16>by members of the Jewish community. There was a childcare

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<v Speaker 16>center adjacent to a synagogue in Marubri that was burned

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<v Speaker 16>to the ground as part of this alleged plot. There

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<v Speaker 16>were several other attempts in New South Wales by those

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<v Speaker 16>that are named by police, charged by police to instill

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<v Speaker 16>fear and intimidation in the community.

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<v Speaker 2>The Premier also made it clear that these laws banning

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<v Speaker 2>protests outside of places of worship and on hate speech

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<v Speaker 2>had nothing to do with the caravan.

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<v Speaker 16>Setting aside the operations of Kissinger and those who are

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<v Speaker 16>alleged to be part of this organized crime gang, there

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<v Speaker 16>is inarguably been a rise of anti Semitic racist attacks

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<v Speaker 16>in New South Wales over the set and it needed

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<v Speaker 16>to be met with comprehensive hate speech laws.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Mark Speakman interrupted Chris Mins to again press the

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<v Speaker 2>premiere on when he learned that the caravan plot wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a live terror threat, as if this is relevant when

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<v Speaker 2>there were fire bombings, and Premier Chris Mins was rightly

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<v Speaker 2>furious in his response.

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<v Speaker 16>I've seen the leader of the opposition slide under a

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<v Speaker 16>closed door. He has no backbone on these issues or

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<v Speaker 16>anyone else is to Speaker, we will not repeal these laws.

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<v Speaker 16>They're too important for New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, we have.

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<v Speaker 2>All watched Anthony Albanezi speak in such a weak fashion

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<v Speaker 2>about anti Semitism for what seventeen months now, It's quite

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<v Speaker 2>frankly astonishing to see such magnificent conviction from a labor leader.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Mins is showing the entire Labor Party nationally how

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<v Speaker 2>you can show leadership on these important issues use of

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<v Speaker 2>national security and public safety. It's Albanezi who wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>downplay the antisemitism crisis. It's Tony Burke who seized on

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<v Speaker 2>the police claim that the spate of attacks were not

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<v Speaker 2>motivated by antisemitism.

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<v Speaker 3>Claims we now know to be wrong. And Mark Speakman

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<v Speaker 3>is playing right into Albanese's hands here right before a

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<v Speaker 3>federal election and Speakman claimed that MINS had caused additional

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<v Speaker 3>stress for the Jewish community.

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<v Speaker 15>The Jewish community has faced enough stress, enough pain, enough

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<v Speaker 15>anguish in recent months without that being added to by

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<v Speaker 15>the fear that there was a plot of a mess

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<v Speaker 15>terrorist attack.

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<v Speaker 2>This shows how out of touch Speakman is with the

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish community because the only extra stress and anguish being

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<v Speaker 2>put on the community is by Speakman himself in siding

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<v Speaker 2>with the Greens to.

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<v Speaker 3>Give a voice to those who oppose the laws that

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<v Speaker 3>actually protect us Australians.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a warped view from a Liberal leader who couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be more out of sync with Peter Dutton's position. And

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<v Speaker 2>let me tell you the Federal Coalition is bewildered at

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<v Speaker 2>this shocking incompetence of Speakmen. Now, this parliamentary inquiry he

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<v Speaker 2>supports will give a voice to all of those who

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<v Speaker 2>insist anti Semitism isn't a problem. It will give a

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<v Speaker 2>platform to the Greens, the pro Palestinian movement, maybe even

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<v Speaker 2>the hate preachers. To quote Shakespeare in the tempest misery

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<v Speaker 2>acquaints a man with strange bedfellows and mark my words,

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<v Speaker 2>this saga has exposed Speakman's failings as leader. If he

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<v Speaker 2>pushes ahead in working with the Greens, this will be

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<v Speaker 2>the start of his leadership demise. All right, Ray Hadley's

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<v Speaker 2>coming up a bit later, and my fire interview with

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<v Speaker 2>the Greens MLC or so a bit later in the show.

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<v Speaker 2>But now let's bring in our Tuesday panel from a

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<v Speaker 2>Speaker of the House, Bronman Bishop and Sky News host

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Price.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to you both.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, step I actually want to start with you and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry to see you've got a broken arm. There

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<v Speaker 2>a sprayed it looks like now the crime wave in Victoria,

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<v Speaker 2>you know we're talking about national security. The crime wave

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<v Speaker 2>in Victoria is so bad that you were actually just

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<v Speaker 2>caught up in the aftermath of a rubbery at a

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<v Speaker 2>bottle shop.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell us what happened.

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<v Speaker 17>Yeah, this happened on Chapel Street in Melbourne today, bromin Gooday,

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<v Speaker 17>Sharry and I was amazed at what had occurred. I

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<v Speaker 17>walked into a liquor Land bottle shop in Chapel Street,

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<v Speaker 17>which is you know, used to be a premier shopping

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<v Speaker 17>strip in Melbourne. It's now full of drug add people,

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<v Speaker 17>homeless people, people wandering around with machetes in the middle

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<v Speaker 17>of the night. It's really become crime central. And this

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<v Speaker 17>liquor Land bottle shop, when I walked in, the young

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<v Speaker 17>fellow behind the counter and I met mention young deliberately

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<v Speaker 17>because a lot of young people work in bottle shops,

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<v Speaker 17>and he said, look, I'm sorry, I'm so upset, but

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<v Speaker 17>just before you got here, two blokes wandered in, both

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<v Speaker 17>carrying large bags. They went to the back of the

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<v Speaker 17>store and unloaded from my freezer four hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 17>dollars worth of ready to drink vodka and bourbon cans

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<v Speaker 17>and simply walked out of the store. No one attempted

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<v Speaker 17>to stop them. The young guy behind the counter has

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<v Speaker 17>been instructed by the bosses of Liquorland not to do it,

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<v Speaker 17>and they just wandered off down the street. About a

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<v Speaker 17>month ago, the same thing happened a Woolworths bottle shop

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<v Speaker 17>just up the road. Young girl, first week on in

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<v Speaker 17>a job. She was terrified as well. This is happening

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<v Speaker 17>every day across Melbourne, and I suspect it probably happens

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<v Speaker 17>in other parts of Australia and it just shows social

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<v Speaker 17>the social fabric of the country is breaking down. It's

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<v Speaker 17>pretty particularly bad in Melbourne, but I think it's bad.

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<v Speaker 1>In other places as well.

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<v Speaker 17>We've seen Alice Springs and the towns in northern Queensland exactly.

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<v Speaker 17>I've just never witnessed this in my life, and I'm

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<v Speaker 17>sure Bromin's never witnessed in.

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<v Speaker 1>Her life either.

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<v Speaker 17>I mean, when does it happen that someone just walks

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<v Speaker 17>into a retail store, loads up what they want and

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<v Speaker 17>calmly walk out. There's no police walking up and down

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<v Speaker 17>the street. Police There'll be twenty minutes away.

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<v Speaker 2>That happens in San Francisco, where theft has been decriminalized,

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<v Speaker 2>and we've seen how San Francisco has ended up. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's shocking, and you know, we feel so sorry for

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<v Speaker 2>that young bloke who had to deal with that. But

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<v Speaker 2>that message from Liquorland to their staff not to try

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<v Speaker 2>and do anything, and that they've had to send that

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<v Speaker 2>message brown because crime in Victoria and in Queensland, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know in Victoria's is so bad at the moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Now this is a really big issue.

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<v Speaker 2>This is part of the reason Peter Darton has floated

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<v Speaker 2>this idea, which some people have attacked as crazy, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>deporting dual citizen criminals. But this is why he's floated

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<v Speaker 2>this idea because people are so concerned about the wave

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<v Speaker 2>of crime in Victoria and in Queensland and in Alice Springs.

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<v Speaker 2>They're so concerned about public safety.

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<v Speaker 18>Well they are, and they're concerned with the judicial activism

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<v Speaker 18>that is preventing them from being deported. Now, Albanesi and Co.

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<v Speaker 18>Try and paint that as being pro trump Ism, No,

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<v Speaker 18>it is supporting the doctrine, the Howard doctrine that said

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<v Speaker 18>we will determine who comes to this country and the

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<v Speaker 18>manner in which they come, and that means if they

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<v Speaker 18>come the wrong way, they should be sent away. And

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<v Speaker 18>it is a commitment to was groundbreaking internationally, groundbreaking when

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<v Speaker 18>Howards set that principle in the wake of the Trump

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<v Speaker 18>What was the name of the Tampa. Yeah, the Tampa

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<v Speaker 18>that in fact has duck as part of our doctrine

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<v Speaker 18>that has adhered to in this country. So for it

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<v Speaker 18>to be trying to be painted in any other way,

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<v Speaker 18>but upholding that doctrine and ensuring that we are looking

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<v Speaker 18>after the safety of our people, that we should be

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<v Speaker 18>paying attention to. That's how if it was for the

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<v Speaker 18>reason of judicial activism. And the question is this government

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<v Speaker 18>says we have the right to legislate to say they

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<v Speaker 18>will go if they commit these crimes and have dual citizenship.

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<v Speaker 18>Judges say no, that's our responsibility and we have the jurisdiction.

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<v Speaker 18>That's how the Pacific solution arose because they were outside

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<v Speaker 18>of the judicial jurisdiction. And that is exactly what Peter

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<v Speaker 18>Duttlan is talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Steve, I don't know if the Australian public

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<v Speaker 2>have the appetite for another referendum, but the concept, I

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<v Speaker 2>can say cut goriically because you know, when we called

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<v Speaker 2>for suggestions for anti Semitism crisis, we got about, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, nearly a thousand emails, and so many of

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<v Speaker 2>them were deport the anti Semites. You know, there would

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<v Speaker 2>be definite public support for criminals who have another citizenship

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<v Speaker 2>leaving Australia.

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<v Speaker 17>Look, I mean, I'll get sick and tired of the

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<v Speaker 17>government saying this is all about trump Ism. I'm okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 17>if it's about trump Ism, I'll tell you what. Millions

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<v Speaker 17>of Australians saw television pitches today of Donald Trump's government

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<v Speaker 17>rounding up a bunch of dangerous murderers, raping Venezuelans and

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<v Speaker 17>putting them on aircraft and flying them out of the country.

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<v Speaker 17>They're parked in some third country halfway through and they're

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<v Speaker 17>going to be not back in America, and the American

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<v Speaker 17>people are saying, thank god, we've got rid of these people.

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<v Speaker 17>We've never wanted them here in the first place. Australians

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<v Speaker 17>want the same strong action. Why should we import criminal

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<v Speaker 17>types into Australia. They come, they get dual citizenship and

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<v Speaker 17>think that they can just break the law. We have

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<v Speaker 17>a crime gang problem in Melbourne that is out of control.

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<v Speaker 17>Home invasions, carthifts, people like that went into that bottle

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<v Speaker 17>shop today. Not all of them, but some of them

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<v Speaker 17>come from migrant families and they have no control over

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<v Speaker 17>their children. They let them roam the streets in the

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<v Speaker 17>middle of the night and people are terrified. They hear

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<v Speaker 17>a noise in the front yard. They think they're going

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<v Speaker 17>to have someone with a machete in their lounge group.

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<v Speaker 17>It's got to stop. And the Victorian labor government's been pathetic.

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<v Speaker 17>They're going to bring in new bail Law's guests when

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<v Speaker 17>they're going to be enacted later in the year, why

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<v Speaker 17>wouldn't it be next week. If you're going to stop

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<v Speaker 17>the sale of machetes, do it today, don't do it

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<v Speaker 17>in November.

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<v Speaker 3>No, one hundred percent right.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is where again this plays into the federal

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<v Speaker 2>election issue. And it's probably why just very quick response

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<v Speaker 2>bron when probably why Victoria will be quite a good

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<v Speaker 2>state for the Coalition at the federal election.

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<v Speaker 18>I think that Victorians have suffered so much under such

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<v Speaker 18>rotten state governments that they've seen that labor is bad

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<v Speaker 18>for Victorians. And I think there is a change in attitude.

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<v Speaker 18>And I do think that there is an awakening, shall

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<v Speaker 18>we say, having been shut down under COVID, having been

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<v Speaker 18>penalized left, right and center, with their police force seeming

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<v Speaker 18>to be okay about arresting during COVID but not being

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<v Speaker 18>able to control real crime, and allowing for drug injection

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<v Speaker 18>rooms to be near schools, the whole box and guys,

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<v Speaker 18>I think there is an awakening in Victoria that labor

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<v Speaker 18>is not good for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Awake for now, Awoke the woke an hour, awake, Steve

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<v Speaker 2>Price Brow and Bishop apologies that it's a bit shot

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<v Speaker 2>at tonight but great to have you on as always. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>most commentators are predicting a minority Labor government at the

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<v Speaker 2>federal election, but The Australian's chief political correspondent Jeff Chambers

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<v Speaker 2>rites that as it stands, Dutton remains better placed than

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<v Speaker 2>alban Easy to form a minority government. The Dutton pathway

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<v Speaker 2>to victory is predicated on securing big swings in Labor

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<v Speaker 2>and independent seats while fending off challenges in coalition territory,

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<v Speaker 2>and Jeff Chambers joins me, now, Jeff, great to see

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<v Speaker 2>you again. Look take us through Peter Dutton's path to

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<v Speaker 2>victory here which seats will get in there?

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<v Speaker 19>Hi, Sharry, so I just I wrote that piece a

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<v Speaker 19>week ago, and as you know, a week is a

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<v Speaker 19>long time in politics, and we've seen through both Newspoll

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:33.920
<v Speaker 19>and Freshwater that we are seeing that natural tightening around

0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:37.119
<v Speaker 19>the poles, and there's multiple factors around that. So I

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<v Speaker 19>think that the margin of error for Peter Dutton is

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<v Speaker 19>very tight, but there certainly is a narrow path to victory.

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<v Speaker 19>But in saying that a lot of things have to

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<v Speaker 19>go right. I heard you talking earlier about Victoria. A

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<v Speaker 19>big focus down in Victoria for the Liberal Party very

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<v Speaker 19>optimistic that they can pick some seats up there like

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<v Speaker 19>Aston Chisholm mckewen and potentially other seats there. But I

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<v Speaker 19>think that the big state of New South Wales is

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<v Speaker 19>where this election is one or lost. We've obviously got

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:15.720
<v Speaker 19>seats in Wa, Tasmania, Northern Territory, South Australia, handful in

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:21.520
<v Speaker 19>Queensland that'll be really important mathematically, but the big battle

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<v Speaker 19>is in New South Wales and I think you know,

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<v Speaker 19>Peter Dunton is fighting multiple fronts here, is fighting Labor,

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<v Speaker 19>the Unions, Teals, the Greens, and in his own seat

0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 19>they're coming after him. He holds that tough seat of

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:41.040
<v Speaker 19>Dixon by a margin of one point seven percent, so

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:45.000
<v Speaker 19>there's a long way to go. Look on that talk

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<v Speaker 19>about referendums putting aside the merit of that subject probably

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<v Speaker 19>not something that in this part of the cycle you

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:57.680
<v Speaker 19>want to be talking about. But you know, I think

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<v Speaker 19>heading into the budget week next week told that the

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<v Speaker 19>work is done around policy and that they're ready to go,

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:07.000
<v Speaker 19>and I think that activity is going to pick up

0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 19>and a lot of his colleagues will be happy to

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<v Speaker 19>start really having that contest of ideas.

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<v Speaker 3>Just very quickly before you go.

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<v Speaker 2>The Treasurer today blamed Trump, the cyclone, other overseas factors

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<v Speaker 2>for you know how it's starting to impact here in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of our growth forecasts, in terms of inflation, in

0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:28.760
<v Speaker 2>terms of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Budget bottom line.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think this sort of messaging will convince voters

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<v Speaker 2>who are still hurting with the cost of living crisis.

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<v Speaker 19>Look, I think with his fourth budget, which is the

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<v Speaker 19>first time a Treasurer has handed down four budgets in

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<v Speaker 19>a term since Ben Shiffley, Jim Charms will be hoping

0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:54.440
<v Speaker 19>that he can use the budget as a platform and like,

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<v Speaker 19>let's be real, this is updating forecasts, including some additional

0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 19>spends around cost of living. Probably not your typical fully

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 19>fledged budget because it's a budget that many of them

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:08.480
<v Speaker 19>didn't think that they would hand down. In terms of

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<v Speaker 19>talking about the doerm and gloom around the world, I

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<v Speaker 19>don't think that it's necessarily untrue, but in terms of

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<v Speaker 19>the actual impacts here and domestic homegrown inflation, these are

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<v Speaker 19>challenges that can be met through your own actions. Here

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<v Speaker 19>in Australia, economic growth is very, very flat, very paltry,

0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:34.440
<v Speaker 19>So it wasn't surprising to see the OECD revised down

0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:38.720
<v Speaker 19>Australia's economic growth forecast look choppy waters ahead. But I

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<v Speaker 19>think that Jim Chalmers will be certainly hoping that he

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<v Speaker 19>can use this as a launching pad to help Labor

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<v Speaker 19>get over the line at the election.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Jeff Chambers, thank you so much for your

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<v Speaker 2>time and your insights, and we'll read your work in

0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 2>The Australian as always. All Right, Still to come that

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<v Speaker 2>explosive interview with the Greens where they effectively reveal Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Speakman's comments as untrue.

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<v Speaker 3>Plus the radio legend.

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<v Speaker 2>Ray Hadley will weigh in on Alban Easy Speakman, the

0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Greens Chris Bowen, he won't hold back. That's after this

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<v Speaker 2>quick break. Welcome back. As I mentioned last week, every

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<v Speaker 2>week until the federal election is held, Ray Hadley will

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<v Speaker 2>join me here to talk about politics and I'm pleased

0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:24.400
<v Speaker 2>to say he's here in studio now.

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<v Speaker 3>Ray, great to see you again.

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<v Speaker 1>It's lovely to be invited back.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much, honor to have you so. Ray.

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<v Speaker 3>You heard what I had to say about Mark Speakman earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think about this bloke?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you were tough enough on him. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>he is a complete nutter. Waste of space.

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<v Speaker 20>When I was still on radio, I made the comment

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 20>that he was the worst attorney general and that's a

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 20>Melbourne cup field. He beat Bob Deavers and Greg Smith

0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:50.880
<v Speaker 20>one Labor one liberal. He was a terrible Attorney general

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:52.680
<v Speaker 20>and I think it was just a matter of last

0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:55.840
<v Speaker 20>man standing with all the drama that happened through the

0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 20>course of Mike Baird He's dumb greyhound decision, followed by

0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:02.560
<v Speaker 20>glad Us filling in love with the wrong person, not

0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:04.800
<v Speaker 20>telling anyone about it, and then poor old Don Perrete

0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:07.400
<v Speaker 20>filling in and then there was no one left basically

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 20>when they got a knocked over by Chris Mins. And

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<v Speaker 20>about Men's I agree with you about leadership. I think

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:16.480
<v Speaker 20>that he's a politician. It doesn't matter with your Labor

0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:20.160
<v Speaker 20>liberal or anywhere in between. He's a politician with conviction, yes,

0:33:20.800 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 20>and we've been sadly lacking that conviction for a long

0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:26.640
<v Speaker 20>long time. Certainly Mark Speakman has no conviction. It's a

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:29.080
<v Speaker 20>funny old world. I think that Mens would be better

0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:32.760
<v Speaker 20>suited to be a liberal, right wing premier, and Speakman

0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 20>should be leading the Greens or the far left of

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:39.719
<v Speaker 20>the Labor Party. The problem is I don't think the

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<v Speaker 20>next Liberal premier is in Parliament. I think Labor will

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<v Speaker 20>win the next two terms. Men's mightn't be in charge.

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<v Speaker 20>It's portrayed that Mens is.

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<v Speaker 3>A Kelly Sloan. Not next time, but maybe the time after.

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<v Speaker 20>Yeah, they won't get rid of Men's in one term.

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:57.920
<v Speaker 20>He'll be there for two terms, possibly three because a

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<v Speaker 20>good premier. But the thing about Mens is and I

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<v Speaker 20>like him as a man and as a premier, but

0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 20>his portrayed as a one man ban. He's got a

0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:12.560
<v Speaker 20>very very good cabinet prew Carry's deputy brilliant, Ryan park Health, brilliant,

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:19.880
<v Speaker 20>Anelouk Chantelvong, brilliant, John Graham brigant. Put John to one side,

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<v Speaker 20>but the rest could be premier in the future if

0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:24.640
<v Speaker 20>he decides to step down and he tied. You go

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<v Speaker 20>through the line, you go through the Liberal Party apart

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:29.480
<v Speaker 20>from Kelly. You told me one person who could be premier.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I think Chris Man's is so good. We

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:33.359
<v Speaker 2>need him in Canberra. We need him to take over

0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 2>from Albow instead of Chris Bowen. I mean, you know

0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:38.799
<v Speaker 2>you're talking about how good the new Southel's Labor cabinet is.

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:41.400
<v Speaker 3>How bad is the federal labor Cabinet.

0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:47.240
<v Speaker 2>Chris Bowen, Tony Burke, Jason Clare, Albert Easy. You couldn't

0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 2>get a worse federal and they're all on TikTok doing

0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 2>this silly video.

0:34:50.800 --> 0:34:52.839
<v Speaker 20>I mean retirement of the blood pressure has gone down

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<v Speaker 20>since December thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>And sorry that Bowen.

0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 20>And I did get Peter Dutton on my last day

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:00.399
<v Speaker 20>to call him Casnova Bowen for the first of time.

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<v Speaker 1>But the thing that I would say to you and

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<v Speaker 1>to everyone wants.

0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:05.000
<v Speaker 3>They were it a nickname for a lady.

0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:07.239
<v Speaker 1>No, I wouldn't do it in front of you, thank you.

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:09.320
<v Speaker 20>But there are plenty of blokes in pubs and clubs

0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:10.000
<v Speaker 20>across Australia.

0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:12.480
<v Speaker 1>You know why I call him gasnava bum. But anyway, the.

0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:18.040
<v Speaker 20>Point being, if you reinstate, Anthony Alberanezi, it's a package deal.

0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 1>You get all the rest exactly. You know, you get,

0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:21.759
<v Speaker 1>you get Burg.

0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:23.760
<v Speaker 2>You might end up with Tony Burke, a's Prime minister,

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:26.520
<v Speaker 2>even because he's got leadership ambitions.

0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:28.799
<v Speaker 20>I went up the Kopa Cabana on the weekend. By

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<v Speaker 20>the way, Cheesey's a long way from the water up there, Elbow.

0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:33.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he bought.

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:35.359
<v Speaker 3>Real Well, it's on the on the cliff. He's got

0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:36.320
<v Speaker 3>to walk down the cliff.

0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 1>If you not up from a surf club.

0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:39.479
<v Speaker 20>It's way way up. It's not sort of a walk

0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 20>where you could walk down to the beach, but you

0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:43.319
<v Speaker 20>need to be a marathon runner. And gave back up

0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 20>the hill to get back to the hand.

0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:47.319
<v Speaker 2>I guess it's good exercise exactly now.

0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:48.920
<v Speaker 3>I want to ask you. I spoke to just Center

0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:50.640
<v Speaker 3>Price on the program last night.

0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:54.920
<v Speaker 2>She's, you know, wants to have this government efficiency kind

0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:57.000
<v Speaker 2>of like a doze roll that Elon Musk is playing

0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:59.000
<v Speaker 2>in the United States, and we spoke about some of

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:01.759
<v Speaker 2>the waste of federal guy money, you know, hundreds of

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:06.920
<v Speaker 2>thousand million dollars for decolonizing breastfeeding.

0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:08.920
<v Speaker 3>Which is the most natural thing in the world.

0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:13.880
<v Speaker 20>Anyone that's opposed to breastfeeding is a complete mark. I

0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:16.799
<v Speaker 20>mean it is. It's a natural thing for a mother

0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:18.920
<v Speaker 20>to do. Not all women can do it. You know,

0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:21.799
<v Speaker 20>there are varying reasons. But those who wish to breastfeed,

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 20>why we're going to decolonize them. I mean, look, just

0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:28.040
<v Speaker 20>a side note, I was just doing a bit of

0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 20>thinking this after anyone I knew was coming on. And

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:32.720
<v Speaker 20>I think about the Voice referendum, and I think about

0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:36.479
<v Speaker 20>the waste of money that you've mentioned there the NI

0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:38.920
<v Speaker 20>double A. They wanted to have another body, which they

0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:42.760
<v Speaker 20>didn't get the books. The NI double A has thirteen

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 20>hundred employees. Of the thirteen hundred employees, eight hundred are

0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:51.040
<v Speaker 20>in Canberra. Eight hundred. Now, that's not a waste of money.

0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 20>They should be in regional areas. And that's one of

0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:55.920
<v Speaker 20>the things you said that would look at if elected

0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:59.840
<v Speaker 20>to be the minister, she'd put those people in the

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:02.600
<v Speaker 20>right area. They're not going to solve any problems in Camber.

0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:05.080
<v Speaker 20>They're not too many Indigenous problems in Canberra, apart from

0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:05.800
<v Speaker 20>the odd protest.

0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:06.840
<v Speaker 1>The problems are in.

0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:09.040
<v Speaker 3>Rural areas about just enterprise.

0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:12.600
<v Speaker 20>Oh, she is a fantastic woman, a fantastic.

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:15.880
<v Speaker 2>What about this story today with Chris Bowen that the

0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:19.760
<v Speaker 2>AFP is going to fail to satisfy the green energy targets.

0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:20.520
<v Speaker 3>It took to the last election.

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 2>In fact, they've even deleted some of the modeling from

0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:24.320
<v Speaker 2>the website.

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 20>Well, I'm happy that he's been taking out of witness

0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:29.279
<v Speaker 20>protection because I was concerned that he was hold up

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:31.920
<v Speaker 20>somewhere we'd never see him again. So he's back out.

0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:36.480
<v Speaker 20>But it's the whole thing. He has stuffed up immigration,

0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:39.560
<v Speaker 20>every portfolio he's got attached to he's stuffed up. And

0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:41.799
<v Speaker 20>now he's stuffing up energy. And as I said to

0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:44.520
<v Speaker 20>you last week, this nonsense, this pie in the sky

0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:48.799
<v Speaker 20>stuff about wind farms off the coast of New South

0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:52.040
<v Speaker 20>Wales at Port Stevens and Woollongong. Not even the people

0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:55.279
<v Speaker 20>who were mildly interested from Europe intendering for it, they're

0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:56.280
<v Speaker 20>no longer interested.

0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:58.320
<v Speaker 1>So all of a sudden we're not talking about it anymore.

0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:00.320
<v Speaker 20>And Peter doesn't put himself out there at Ports Stevens

0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:02.120
<v Speaker 20>and Wollongong said no, you elect me, it's not going

0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:06.359
<v Speaker 20>to happen. It is simply not going to happen. So look,

0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:10.799
<v Speaker 20>he might get promoted if they get re elected. And

0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:14.800
<v Speaker 20>I heard your comments earlier about exactly where they are.

0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:18.839
<v Speaker 20>I think it's seventy seven fifty three. But the key

0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:20.920
<v Speaker 20>to all that is there are six of the minor

0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:25.040
<v Speaker 20>parties Catter and the like, but there's thirteen independent Charry, yeah,

0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:28.000
<v Speaker 20>thirteen independent. I mean it's going to be very hard

0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:29.680
<v Speaker 20>for Peter Dutton to win out right.

0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 1>And if there is to be.

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 20>You know, a rob oakshot Tony Winter type spill, you

0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:37.919
<v Speaker 20>can imagine how they'll be sited.

0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:39.640
<v Speaker 2>They won't be Peter ut And I think the Tills

0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:41.400
<v Speaker 2>need to come out and tell their electrics who they

0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:43.560
<v Speaker 2>would be siding. We're going to hung Parliament because it's looking.

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:46.720
<v Speaker 3>That quote ray. So to raise your blood pressure, glad

0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:47.160
<v Speaker 3>you're back.

0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, I've got a week to recover so that I look.

0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:50.840
<v Speaker 3>Forward to seeing you next Tuesday.

0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:51.759
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, thank you.

0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:55.920
<v Speaker 2>All Right after the break, the Greens claim the antisemitism

0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:58.160
<v Speaker 2>crisis is all confected.

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<v Speaker 3>My interview coming up. Welcome back, well.

0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:07.680
<v Speaker 2>To showcase just how ridiculous it is that a liberal

0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:11.360
<v Speaker 2>opposition leader, Mike Speakman is working with the Greens to

0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:15.640
<v Speaker 2>on an inquiry into these hate speech laws. Iviewed Greens

0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:20.399
<v Speaker 2>MLC Sir Higginson. A little earlier, the New South Wales

0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:25.359
<v Speaker 2>Coalition has said that it won't support repealing the hate

0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:28.880
<v Speaker 2>speech laws. So did you work with the New Southwales

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<v Speaker 2>Coalition directly to agree in terms of reference that was

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<v Speaker 2>acceptable to both the Greens and the coalition.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, look, in no uncertain terms.

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<v Speaker 21>This is an inquiry to look at how these laws

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<v Speaker 21>came about the processes that led up to the rushing

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<v Speaker 21>of these laws through the Parliament.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you've got to recall.

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<v Speaker 21>We were forced to sit in the Upper House till

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<v Speaker 21>four am the government lifted standing orders.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get to all of that in a moment, but

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to get to the question on whether

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<v Speaker 2>you worked with the coalition on the terms of reference.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, that's what we do.

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<v Speaker 21>If we are going into the Parliament with the terms

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<v Speaker 21>of reference for a select committee, then it's important.

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<v Speaker 4>That there is agreement on the terms of reference.

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<v Speaker 21>And at the moment it appears that we have got

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<v Speaker 21>an agreement to look into do.

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<v Speaker 2>I say, can you say who in the New South

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<v Speaker 2>I was coalition you dealt with?

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<v Speaker 3>Was it Mark Speakman's office?

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<v Speaker 21>Look, I don't I don't do the business of the coalition.

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<v Speaker 21>There are you know, staffers who undertake those discussions with

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<v Speaker 21>my office and we you know, look, parliamentary sitting days

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<v Speaker 21>are busy days there. We are juggling several things at

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<v Speaker 21>any one time.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was a I understand start either for maybe

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<v Speaker 2>Damien tudor Hope's offers who met with your staff member

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<v Speaker 2>and negotiated the terms of reference?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that right?

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<v Speaker 21>Look, the reality of how we come to these is Yes,

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<v Speaker 21>discussions happen, Documents get sent around, words get changed on

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<v Speaker 21>those documents.

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<v Speaker 4>I have no.

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<v Speaker 21>Idea who in the coalition works and what the machinery

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<v Speaker 21>of the coalition kind of functions like and how it works.

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<v Speaker 4>So I just can't know who in the coalition has.

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<v Speaker 21>Done this work to put forward the terms of reference

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<v Speaker 21>that I have been working on. As far as I'm concerned,

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<v Speaker 21>it's the coalition.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think the antisemitism crisis has been overstated?

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<v Speaker 21>Well, what we know is that the case that was

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<v Speaker 21>put to us by the government was a false premise.

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<v Speaker 21>We know that the case involving Operation Perl, including the

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<v Speaker 21>event at Dural, including other events that were put before

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<v Speaker 21>us as the reason for the urgency for these laws

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<v Speaker 21>and for these particular laws. We know that case was

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<v Speaker 21>put to us on false pretenses. And that's a really

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<v Speaker 21>important issue when you are when.

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<v Speaker 2>You are we know now, we know now that anti

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<v Speaker 2>Semitism was a motivating factor behind these incidents, and of

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<v Speaker 2>course they were anti Semitic incidents.

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<v Speaker 3>They targeted a.

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<v Speaker 2>Synagogue, a preschool adjacent to a synagogue, was firebombed, there

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<v Speaker 2>were cars vandalized, swastikas sprawled on cars on Jewish property.

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<v Speaker 3>So do you admit that this was anti semitism?

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<v Speaker 21>With respect, Shari, My job is to look at the

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<v Speaker 21>evidence and what we know is Deputy Commissioner David Hudson

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<v Speaker 21>Police Deputy Commissioner, one of the most expert police officers

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<v Speaker 21>in this state when it comes to counter terrorism and

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<v Speaker 21>these kind of offenses. He gave evidence in the Parliamentary

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<v Speaker 21>Budget Estimate session that these events were as part of

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<v Speaker 21>a criminal enterprise that was not motivated.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he actually said in the budget estimates, and we've

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<v Speaker 2>played the clips on the program, he actually said in

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<v Speaker 2>the budget estimates that he wasn't aware of the motivating

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<v Speaker 2>factor because it was the Australian Federal Police that handled

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<v Speaker 2>the informant. But even looking at the attacks, a fire

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<v Speaker 2>bombing of a preschool adjacent to a synagogue, as an

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<v Speaker 2>attempt on Newtown's synagogue, how can you say those aren't

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<v Speaker 2>anti Semitic incidents?

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<v Speaker 21>These events were no doubt offensive, They were brutally awful,

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<v Speaker 21>they were deeply.

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<v Speaker 3>They were anti submitted. They weren't anti Semitic.

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<v Speaker 21>They were opportunistic, criminal activities in order to obtain a benefit.

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<v Speaker 2>So were you saying an arson attempt on a city

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<v Speaker 2>is not anti semitism? Are you saying an arson attempt

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<v Speaker 2>on a synagogue is not anti Semitism?

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<v Speaker 4>I am saying what the police have told us.

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<v Speaker 21>What I am saying is crime can be and does

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<v Speaker 21>have complex factors involved in Why.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Men's governments, the Men's government's laws targeting hate

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<v Speaker 2>speech were unrelated to these incidents that you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>This is toughening laws so that police can take action

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<v Speaker 2>against hate preachers who've been demonizing the Jewish people, so

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<v Speaker 2>they can take action against hateful remarks made by pro

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinian protesters.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you admit those laws are needed?

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<v Speaker 21>What I'm going to say again is that the experts,

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<v Speaker 21>including the Law Reform Commission, including all those civil society

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<v Speaker 21>legal bodies in learning, many of the peak faith organizations, these.

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<v Speaker 4>Are not the laws they wanted and not the laws

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<v Speaker 4>they asked for.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm asking about you. You've used, You've claimed that

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<v Speaker 2>attacks on the Jewish community property aren't our disemitism.

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<v Speaker 3>They are unrelated.

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<v Speaker 2>They are unrelated to the laws that the Men's government

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<v Speaker 2>introduced hate speech laws Another set of laws was ban

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<v Speaker 2>on protests outside synagogues and places of worship.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you agree with.

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<v Speaker 2>The pro Palestinian activists who want to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>attack Jews outside synagogues?

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<v Speaker 4>Charie?

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<v Speaker 21>What I want is really good sound laws on our

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<v Speaker 21>law books made for proper purposes, not political opportunity. And

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<v Speaker 21>what I want is a society that has a system

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<v Speaker 21>in this state, that has the best system of addressing And.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to specifically ask you about this law.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to ask you about this law. We're not

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<v Speaker 3>answering the question.

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<v Speaker 2>This law or the Palestinian Action Group claims they should

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<v Speaker 2>be able to protest outside of synagogues.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you agree with them?

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<v Speaker 21>I believe and I absolutely stand side to side with

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<v Speaker 21>the Palestinian Action Group right now in their constant.

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<v Speaker 2>They should be able to harass Jews outside synagogues.

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<v Speaker 21>I absolutely stand with them because I think the.

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<v Speaker 2>War should they be able to harass Jews outside of

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<v Speaker 2>a place of worship that has nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 2>the Middle East and is only about Judaism.

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<v Speaker 21>Chari, this is about all places of worship. The laws

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<v Speaker 21>the means government introduced.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not seeing protests outside of any other places of worship.

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<v Speaker 2>We're seeing pro Palestinian activists outside synagogues. We saw Jews

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<v Speaker 2>going to lockdown at the Great Synagogue because there were

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<v Speaker 2>a rabid group of pro Palestinians outside. Why should they

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<v Speaker 2>be able to terrorize Jews outside.

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<v Speaker 4>Of You're going off topic.

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<v Speaker 3>That is basically no, you are this is the reason

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<v Speaker 3>for these laws. This is no reason for these.

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<v Speaker 4>Laws, Okay, Schari. Seriously, there are good reasons.

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<v Speaker 21>Why people should be able to, from time to time

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<v Speaker 21>protest near places of worship.

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<v Speaker 4>We have seen this when it comes to the Catholic.

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<v Speaker 21>Church and when it came to systemic abuse on victims

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<v Speaker 21>by the Catholic Church.

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<v Speaker 4>Those protests that took.

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<v Speaker 21>Place over years and years were really fundamental in delivering

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<v Speaker 21>justice in New South Wales to the victims of institutional

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<v Speaker 21>abuse perpetrated by the Catholic Church.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, the protests can happen elsewhere, not outside of

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<v Speaker 2>a place of worship.

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<v Speaker 3>But we're running out of time, So I just want

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<v Speaker 3>to ask you for is it the case? Is it

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<v Speaker 3>the case the.

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<v Speaker 2>New one't other groups like LGBTQI to be included in

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<v Speaker 2>these hate speech laws to band speech that's offensive to them?

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<v Speaker 4>What I said shari is.

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<v Speaker 21>I would like this state, and I believe this state

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<v Speaker 21>deserves a system that actually addresses all forms of racism,

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<v Speaker 21>hatred and discrimination.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we deserve that. We are literally on the

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<v Speaker 4>premise of.

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<v Speaker 21>The Law Reform Commission delivering its report on how best

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<v Speaker 21>to have this system in New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 4>Memes has just made a mess, that's what he has done.

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<v Speaker 21>He's come in to the Parliament, his rush laws on

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<v Speaker 21>false pretenses, made a mess of the law books, and

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<v Speaker 21>we want to just inquire into how the heck this

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<v Speaker 21>happened here in New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 2>We're out of time, so he can appreciate your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. Now, I wouldn't normally have the

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<v Speaker 2>Greens on the show. I only did that to show

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<v Speaker 2>how ludicrous it is that Mark Speakman is working with

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<v Speaker 2>them on this inquiry. All right, after the break, my

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<v Speaker 2>final thought on the latest Israel strikes.

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<v Speaker 3>That's in a minute, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>The two months cease fire between Israel and Hamas has ended,

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<v Speaker 2>and Israel's defense for US have conducted extensive strikes in

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<v Speaker 2>on Harmas targets in the Gaza Strip. Now, Benjaminette Yaho

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<v Speaker 2>has made clear that Hamas has refused all hostage deal offers,

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<v Speaker 2>and there are still hostages who are living in the

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<v Speaker 2>Gaza Strip and they're being held captive. The White House

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<v Speaker 2>unequivocally backed in Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>Today. Here was Carolyn Levitt.

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<v Speaker 22>The Trump administration and the White House were consulted by

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<v Speaker 22>the Israelis on their attacks in Gaza tonight. And as

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<v Speaker 22>President Trump has made it clear hamas the houthis Ran,

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<v Speaker 22>all those who seek to terrorize not just Israel but

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<v Speaker 22>also the United States of America will see a price

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<v Speaker 22>to pay.

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<v Speaker 3>All hell will break loose. On that note, here's Paul

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<v Speaker 3>Mara