WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 11 February 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.160 Lately, Generalman, welcome to the late. 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:08.959 Pays Well, good evening and thanks for your company. I'm 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:11.680 James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond. Have you 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:15.560 ever thrown something into the trash by accident? Will introduce 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:17.599 you to a Welshman a little later who did just 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:20.640 that and is offered to buy the entire city tip 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:23.960 in order to search for his lost treasure. Plus, when 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:27.520 we get to the papers, a convicted terrorist to threaten 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:31.520 to blow up the MCG has managed to escape strict 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:35.920 supervision orders. It's quite an incredible story in tomorrow's Herald 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:39.440 Son And in another breaking story tomorrow, the Albenezy government 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:42.240 says it will buy Rex Airlines if that's the only 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:44.600 way to keep them flying. All of that when we 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:48.639 look at what's making news tomorrow, But first, Queenslanders will 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:53.040 continue to pay just fifty cents for public transport after 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:57.120 the LNP government decided to make permanent the former government's 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:01.200 six month trial the cheap fares offered by former Premier 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:03.920 Stephen Miles as a way of buying votes just before 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:07.200 the last election and of addressing cost of living and 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:11.440 hopefully removing some cars from the roads and it worked well, 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.440 not the buying votes part. No amount of bribery could 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:18.160 convince Queenslanders to give Giggles another go, But in terms 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.080 of getting people to use public transport, it seems to 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:25.800 have been an overwhelming success. The Transport Department released figures 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:29.280 showing that the use of public transport in Queensland had 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.720 increased by eighteen point three percent during that six month 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:36.240 trial compared to the same six month period in twenty 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:38.920 twenty three. As you can see on the screen, light 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:41.560 rail usage increased by twenty seven and a half percent, 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:46.080 rail eighteen point six percent, ferry usage increased by forty 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:50.160 two point eight percent, and buses were up fifteen point 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:54.120 eight percent. So the LNP announced today fifty cent fares 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:58.320 would remain, but they would cost taxpayers one point five 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:03.400 billion dollars over next four years. Good decision or bad decision, Caleb, 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.640 I'm looking forward to fifty cent coffees and fifty cent hamburgers. 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.919 Well, if only the government provided those services then maybe 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:11.960 they would be able to reduce the cost of them 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:15.079 to fifty cents. But I think it's an eminently sensible 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:18.280 thing to do that. The evidence has shown that it works. 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.120 If that means you've had such an increase, you know, 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:24.120 twenty percent more people getting on the bus. Well, that's 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:26.919 twenty percent fewer cars on the road because of course, 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.400 you know a bus, if you can get sixty people 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:34.360 in it, that's potentially minimum thirty cars, maximum sixty on 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:36.680 the road. I mean, if you can eliminate all of 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.799 that every single day, that's fantastic, especially for those of 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.040 us who drive around in cars, because it means I 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:44.639 can go to work faster. So yep, b I think 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:47.399 it's great. I mean, Townsville was forty nine point twenty 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.360 nine percent increase in public transport use. And it was 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:54.240 interesting that the numbers showed that regionally, it really increased 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:56.760 the use of public transport because I suppose if you 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:00.120 live in a regional area, probably more likely to think, oh, well, 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.040 get in my car, because a lot of the things 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:05.040 that you would do normally require you to use a car. 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:07.240 And of course, if you've got to go to town, for instance, 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:08.440 you're going to get in the car, so you get 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:10.880 into a habit of using a car. But Townsville forty 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:14.200 two point twenty nine percent, Gimpy forty nine percent, Mackay 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:18.280 forty percent, Sunshine Coast thirty seven percent, Gold Coast twenty 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:22.120 one percent, Logan twenty one percent, And the cost of 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:27.040 running public transport that comes from fares is minimal. There 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:30.120 was a report, secret report, It was only leaked to 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:31.440 the media. That's any reason we. 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:32.040 Know about it. 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.840 But the New South Wales government did an evaluation of 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:38.360 what its public transport system costs in twenty twenty two 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:42.280 and they found that only ten percent of the costs 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:46.480 were covered by fares and other revenue. So what we 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:48.680 are paying when we tap an open card in New 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:52.040 South Wales or a mikey in Queensland, or the trans 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.280 cardgory it's called up in not transgender, but it's called 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:58.080 trans dear, I can't remember, I've got one at home somewhere. 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:00.600 But when you tap the card, what you're paying to 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:03.880 use the bus or the train is actually a very 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.600 small amount of what it costs the government to run 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.800 that service. So if we're already happy as tax payers 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:13.120 to subsidize the running of public transport by ninety percent, 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.000 what's wrong with making it, you know, one hundred percent 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:18.680 or ninety five percent with a fifty cent fare If 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:20.120 it means people actually use the. 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.560 So it's going to say this, they've still gotspect this. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.440 Why would you be inspecting for tickets? Like if someone 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:30.200 pays fifty cents, doesn't employed? Right, that's about the union, 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:31.160 says many people. 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:32.120 Yeah, exactly. 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:35.919 They probably struck that deal before Giggles even put. 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:37.880 This legislation in place, to be like, yes. 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:39.760 We're trying to win votes, but also no one's going 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:42.680 to lose their job as a result. But what you 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:46.640 have here is essentially what a lot of government policies do. 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:49.839 Of course, it's not cheaper. 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:53.440 The people commuting every day are only paying fifty cents 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.359 yay for them, but the taxpayer is picking up the 0:04:56.440 --> 0:05:01.279 tab hence this one point five billion dollar price tag 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:01.800 on this. 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:03.800 So essentially it means. 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:09.360 That the taxpayers of Queensland who don't use these facilities, 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.960 who aren't commuting to work every day, who aren't using 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:17.040 public transport, are now paying far more than their share. 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:20.480 But the public. But the users, the people of Queensland 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.239 who don't use the public transport also reap the benefit 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:25.680 of the fewer cars on the road because they're driving right. 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:29.680 So indirectly you're paying extra, sure, but you're actually getting 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:30.719 a benefit out of it. Yourself. 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.760 No, really, you're paying extra for the public transport that 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:38.880 you're not using while putting out for Rego car insurance. 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.839 The petrol you're paying for only most cars inner city 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:49.040 nowadays is extremely expensive exercise. Absolutely everybody watching is nodding 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.839 your head right now, aren't you. And so I don't 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.080 think I don't think that that's fair at all as. 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:56.359 A commuter if you choose. 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.120 And to say that, oh well, the murderists are coming 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.239 out on top because then there's less people on the roads. 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.839 But the people then opting for their fifty cent fare 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.960 and no longer happening to pay for the petrol, potentially 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.800 getting rid of their car all together, not happening to 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.080 pay the red Joe, not happening to pay the insurance. 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.880 All the savings are on them. And again the motorist 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:19.280 is not coming out on top at all. 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:21.640 And I'm not sure it reduces traffic congestion because they 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:23.760 put bus lanes everywhere that you're not allowed. 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:25.119 To cycling lane. 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:30.680 Argument for regional Queensland, and Queensland is a vast state 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:34.160 and people, especially in the north would argue that they 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:38.000 are subsidizing people in the southeast who are far more 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.960 prevalent users of public transport now everything. 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:42.680 I mean, they reckon they should be another state. 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:44.920 They should be, having lived there. They should be because 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.400 they provide all the natural resources that fund everything to 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:50.880 the southeast corner. But you mentioned in Wa. 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:52.200 Trust me, well, like we. 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.120 If it work for the money, you flogs get off 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:01.679 our gst. The two mighty mining states are never given 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:02.240 enough credit. 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.360 So you mentioned towns All right, So public transport there 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.400 is increased by what nine? This is one of those 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.840 things where okay, like if what if you've got two 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.200 people using it and now you've got four, it's increased 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:15.720 by what fifty? 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:16.720 Amazing? 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:18.520 Like look at that, right, So I would like to. 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:19.960 Make sure that he's increased by one hundred percent. 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:22.760 I would like to know the raw numbers, right, so 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:25.040 to say it's increased by forty percent. I lived in 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.080 Townsill ten years. I don't know anyone who ever took 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.680 the bus. So I reckon the increase of usage would 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.840 be marginal. If they want to be fair, provide fifty 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:37.200 cent public transport fees in the southeast and just take 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:39.880 off some fuel excise in the north. Hey, well, the 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:41.840 problem is drive vast distance. 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:43.760 The only problem is. I thoroughly agree with that. The 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:45.840 only problem is that the fuel excise is levied by 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:47.560 the federal government, not in Queensland. 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.960 What hangover, Sorry, don't don't Queensland have a tax on fuel? 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:52.480 I I'm all the. 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:56.320 Questions owned on top of the federal fine leaders by 0:07:56.680 --> 0:07:58.480 Hang on a minute, we'll check it during the pow 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:03.200 That really isn't in just I'm pretty now you've blown 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:06.560 min much so the Queensland government adds another tax on 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:07.760 top of fuel. Is what you're saying. 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:09.640 You're making me nervous now that maybe I'm not right 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:10.920 about this. We'll let the check. 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:12.920 Your let us know. 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:16.960 I hope you're not right about that, because that is 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.560 that is an absolute describe. I mean right, my money. 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:24.960 He's actually there, you have it. If we're placing bets, 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:27.680 my money is on mac. But we will get back 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.520 to you after the ad break to the UK now 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:35.920 where an extraordinary edict from the British government, the deep 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:38.920 state of the British government, has come to light. 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.439 They handed in order to Apple. 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:46.480 Telling the tech giant that the British government wanted a 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:50.400 back door to all of the storage on the cloud, 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:56.440 every single user, even all their encrypted stuff, everything stored 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:59.240 on the cloud, not just in the UK by people 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:03.720 living in the UK, but worldwide. The government says, we 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.600 have the right to have access to this, thanks very much. 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.920 You're going to give us a backdoor in order to 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:15.079 enable us to access any body's data at any. 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.000 Given time for any reason. 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.240 Now in the past, how this works is that tech 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:25.600 giants do help out the police or whoever's investigating, say 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:29.800 an alleged criminal, they need data off that person's phone. 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:33.600 The tech giants help them out. That's all written into law, 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:37.600 that's all ticked up on that's all hunky dory. This, however, 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:43.920 would be an absolutely unprecedented violation of privacy rights and 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:45.160 civil liberties. 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.000 But the UK government absolutely do not care. 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:51.760 They say they have the power to do this. They 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.720 say that Apple has to bow the knee. So far, 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:59.440 Apple is holding out. They're saying, look, maybe we'll just 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:01.880 have to stop offering encrypted. 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.760 Services to UK users. 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:08.000 But then again, that won't work because the UK government 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.400 is talking about worldwide. 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:13.360 Users, not just British Apple users. 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:19.160 This is literally unthinkable what they are proposing here. And 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:23.440 Apple is a company that has long since prided itself 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:26.880 on privacy. Whether we can trust them or artists another 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:28.600 discussion for another day. 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:29.720 But this is something that. 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:33.640 They market themselves on your privacy. We've got you covered, 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:36.480 we would never snitch on you type thing. And here 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:40.400 they have a government saying, look, under our act, you 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:42.679 have to make a backdoor for us. You have to 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:47.760 break your promise to millions billions of users worldwide because 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:48.360 we say so. 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.719 And it's not just a targeted thing like you put out. 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:55.200 This is like just we need access to everything. Why 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:59.160 do you need access to everything? Right? Indeed, people have 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:03.120 continually been willing to give up small amounts of freedom 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:06.360 if they think it makes them safer, for instance, you know, 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.800 going through airports, or allowing certain bits of data to 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:13.000 be accessed by government if it's for anti terrorism measures, etc. 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.520 People have actually been willing to hand small amounts of 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:20.240 freedom over to secure their own safety. I would argue 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:21.800 that you know, you hand a little bit over, and 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:22.840 then you had a little bit over, and then you 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:24.319 hand a little bit over until you've handed all of 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:26.920 it over. That's eventually where it ends up. But people 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:29.120 will swallow it. If you say we need access to 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.320 terrorists data, and we'll go to a court and get 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:34.080 an order that we then go and get that data. 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:37.000 Most people that say, okay, whatever, what the UK government 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:40.640 is talking about is access to absolutely everything, and that 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:42.719 might start out with oh, well, we want it to 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:45.520 look at terrorist data, and then it'll turn into we 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:47.360 want to look at data of people who are saying 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:49.800 things we don't like about the government. I mean, how 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:53.440 can you possibly this is the first time any Western 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.920 government has asked for or actually asked for is probably 0:11:56.920 --> 0:12:00.720 a bit light demanded this kind of power to access 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:04.600 whatever data it wants. And the worst part of it 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:07.720 is that under the law in the UK, it's illegal 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:10.960 for Apple to even talk about the fact that the 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.840 government has asked them for exactly. 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:18.320 Order is actually a month old, but we're only just 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:21.960 hearing about it now because thank goodness, someone's leaked it 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:22.520 to the media. 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:24.800 And Apple can appeal the decision, but they appeal it 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.800 to a secretive tribunal, so the result and the argument 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:31.160 never becomes public, and during the appeal, Apple have to 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:35.360 comply with the order as it exists. What's an old expression, 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:37.880 the road to hell is paved with good intentions. This 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:41.480 is a classic case of that, I don't think well, 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.920 a well intentioned argument that in order to catch terrorists 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.760 and head off organized crime, perhaps we should have these 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:50.960 these capabilities for government that. 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:54.040 Already works. 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:58.960 Yes, if it's everyday people, Hell no, what right do 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:02.400 you have to people's think about it. What's not on 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:07.319 your phone, your private conversations, your addresses, your bank details. 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:11.360 There is nothing about your life that I wouldn't know 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:15.040 if I had access to everything on your phone, your contacts. 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:18.920 So you're talking to how regularly there is literally I 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:23.000 will be aware of the intimate details of your life. 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.480 And I am the state I don't have your best 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.920 interest at heart. And keep in mind it was just 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.960 a few weeks ago that Keir Starmer stared down Barrel 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.640 and told us that the UK aimed to be the 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:37.600 shining light of the world in terms of AI. They're 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:42.080 building a frightfully large server and the fact that you 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.280 could have access to everybody's data in. 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.920 The world and be touting. 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:51.240 Well, I'm sure they're probably leads ahead of already, because 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.840 no government gives is honest about how far ahead they 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:56.760 are in terms of their AI capabilities. 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:57.760 It's an arms race. 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.600 So why on earth would you openly, honestly advertised that 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.360 those two things together you can rule the world. 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.640 Gave over yep, and we've seen how things are going 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:10.600 in the UK. I mean the coppers are running around 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.440 arresting people for posting jokes on face. I mean the 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:15.320 next thing the government will be going through all of 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.640 your photos to see whether you've downloaded too many jokes 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:20.480 or not, and then arresting you on the basis of that. 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:22.960 And I know that sounds like a joke, but quite 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.320 possibly it isn't. I might be arrested actually by the 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.720 UK government if they go through my phone and noticed 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:29.480 that I talked about this on at to night. They 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:33.160 haven't sack while we're in the UK. There is no 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:38.120 greater example of how how sorry our sovereign borders have 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:42.400 been eroded in the West, Australia, the UK, the US, 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:47.080 et cetera than this. An Albanian bloke who moved to 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.840 the UK into the UK illegally when he was a 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:55.920 child a teenager, got there, gave the authorities a fake name, 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:59.240 said he came from Yugoslavia, which he didn't. He came 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:03.440 from albat He got into the country under false pretenses. 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:07.080 Then fast forward a few years twenty twenty one, he's 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:11.440 picked up by the cops with three hundred thousand pounds 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:15.200 of proceeds of crime. Off to jail, you go. Since 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:17.320 he's been released from jail, they've tried to get rid 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.560 of his citizenship and deport him back to Albania, which 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:24.440 seems entirely fair. He entered the country under false pretenses, 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:28.160 he gained citizenship under false pretenses, and then he turns out, 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.840 on top of all of that, to be involved in 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:35.600 criminal gang activity with three hundred thousand pound on his person. 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.880 Off you go, buddy. Except for the fact that he 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.200 has a young son, a ten year old, and his 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:44.240 son is fond of chicken nuggets, and he's not fond 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:47.800 of chicken nuggets in any country other than the UK. No, 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.440 I am not joking. This bloke has gone to an 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:55.160 immigration tribunal in the UK and argued that he should 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:58.800 not be deported because his son has a few troubles. Now, 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:02.840 according to the court documents, his son has food sensitivity, 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:07.800 sensory issues and difficulties communicating emotions. He has no diagnosis 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:10.640 of anything, but his school is currently helping him out. 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:14.120 The only thing that he is mentioned in the documents 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:16.880 is that he has an aversion quote unquote to the 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:20.400 type of chicken nuggets that are available abroad, and on 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:24.120 that basis, this tribunal has said it would be against 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:28.520 the human rights to send them back to Albania. Have 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:32.360 you ever heard anything so absurd? This is the UK 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:36.840 Border Security Minister, Dame Angela Eagle, talking to LBC about 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.800 this case his court with two hundred and fifty thousand 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:43.160 pounds worth proceeds of crime on his body, on his 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:45.320 person rather and then when he's trying to port him 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:47.640 it's because his child doesn't like oversea his chicken nuggets. 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.080 This is the start to think of it, isn't it. 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.600 Well, this is why we've appealed it, and the court 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:57.560 processes aren't over yet. When we appeal things they often 0:16:57.640 --> 0:16:58.920 get overturned in higher christ. 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.120 If this isn't overturned, what does that say about. 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.159 Let's not anticipate what the courts are going to do. 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:07.680 Do you think it breaches his human rights with his 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:08.760 son's chicken nuggets? 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.399 Well, look, I. 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:15.280 Mean my opinions, since I'm not a judge, are interesting 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:21.399 to you and me fairly astonished. I'm fairly astonished. 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:28.320 Just that is The Border Security Minister asked a really 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:32.359 simple question, do you think it breaches someone's human rights 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.239 to send a criminal back to the country whence they 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:38.800 came because their son doesn't like the chicken nuggets over there. 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.320 And she couldn't give a straight answer. You're a minister 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:45.240 of the crown and you can't just straight out say no, 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:47.440 it's not actually a breach of human rights to send 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.560 someone back to their own country because they don't like 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:51.960 the chicken nuggets over there. For heaven's sake, but this 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:55.840 just proves how bad the situation is in Western countries, 0:17:55.880 --> 0:18:00.480 particularly the UK. A tribuneal would even think that this 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:04.600 was a legitimate argument to keep a criminal in your 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:05.440 own country. 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:09.199 It might prove how bad chicken nuggets in Albania actually are. Kleb. 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.040 It could be a breach of human rights that bad. 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:14.320 If only there was someone in the UK is in 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:17.000 a position of power, you know, who had experience as 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:21.159 a lawyer, maybe in human rights, and could now brain 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.440 good body kissed Arma. What did he used to do 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.639 he used to have in these sorts of issues, didn't he? 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.320 I mean, is there any one that hyriarage and the 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:33.200 Reform Party is now leading in the polls when you've 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:36.560 got rubbish like this in the UK a second earlier tonight. 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.720 It's difficult to believe that Britain actually won two World 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:44.720 Wars when they're carrying on this sort of rubbish and looking. 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:46.959 At the country today, does it look like a country? 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:47.879 Well maybe not. 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:51.320 I s is turning in his grave in a good way, 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:53.199 being like I told you, flogged. 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.720 So here's the irony. Though he enters the UK illegally, 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:01.440 then he lies on his asylum application, then he commits 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.600 and is convicted of major crimes for which he's in 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.679 prison for two years. Then when he's deported, he suddenly 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:11.120 appeals to human rights. I mean, what happens on chicken 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:14.120 nuggets about the human rights of all the people who've 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:17.280 been abused. While he's entering illegally, he's lying, he's ripping 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:20.160 people off financially, and this is where the system has 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:22.800 to be reformed. We have the same problems right across 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:27.040 the Western world, where there's this desire to be so 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:31.600 empathetic with everybody's problems that we make mugs of ourselves 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:34.399 bending over backwards for people who shouldn't be here in 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:40.720 the first place, and then use our charity to against 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:44.679 us so they can basically just continue abusing the system. 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:46.560 It's got to be reformed. You should be allowed to appeal, 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:49.720 and if you lose that appeal, that's it. You're gone. 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.480 But it's not a coincidence that this is the same 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:54.840 across the West. I mean, we've talked about it here 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:58.600 in Australia. You can come here commit grave crimes. 0:19:58.680 --> 0:19:59.520 You're not a citizen. 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:04.479 We won't deport you for absolutely no reason whatsoever. It's 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.639 only in Western countries that we've brought into this ridiculous 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.440 idea that you can come here, tick a few boxes 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:12.760 and we hand you a piece of paper saying, oh you're. 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:16.240 Australian, Now you're Canadian, Now you're American, now you're British. 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:19.280 Now congratulations. Do you think if I moved to India 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:23.320 stay there for twenty years, blood, sweat and tears, ran 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:28.200 businesses there, whatever, do you think considered Indian or Africa? 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:31.640 Would I be considered African? Would anyone call me African? 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:36.600 Absolutely not. It's only in Western countries that we have 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:39.920 been told because you have prospered so well by virtue 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:45.280 of your cultures, your values, your moral standing, and the 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:49.360 fact that we were born out of the cradle of Christianity, yes, 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:53.440 thank you very much. Because of all that, now you 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:57.280 guys have to allow yourself to be overrun by other countries, 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:00.320 other cultures, et cetera, and so on because they're not 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:03.080 doing so well. So you just have to say yes 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:05.600 to it because you're so bound toful and wonderful. 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:07.800 And now if you disagree with. 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.080 It in any way, well you're just being selfish and 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:11.119 horrible and racist. 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:14.880