1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: Apogae Production. Welcome back to another episode of Am I 2 00:00:25,321 --> 00:00:28,121 Speaker 1: A Bad Mum? Podcast? I don't know why we've just 3 00:00:28,161 --> 00:00:30,121 Speaker 1: had school holidays, but I feel like it should be 4 00:00:30,441 --> 00:00:33,601 Speaker 1: school holidays again. I don't know, I just feel like 5 00:00:33,641 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, like so much has like 6 00:00:36,881 --> 00:00:40,161 Speaker 1: we've just hit a million miles an hour and now 7 00:00:40,161 --> 00:00:41,481 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I need this. 8 00:00:41,801 --> 00:00:44,361 Speaker 2: I keep forgetting what week it is right Like, I'm 9 00:00:44,441 --> 00:00:47,321 Speaker 2: genuinely feeling like this term. 10 00:00:47,241 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 3: Has kicked off really quickly. 11 00:00:49,721 --> 00:00:53,841 Speaker 1: I feel like though, between you and I, we've got 12 00:00:53,881 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: four kids. Yeah, minor in year ten high school, so 13 00:00:58,601 --> 00:01:00,921 Speaker 1: we've done all of the primary school, we've done most 14 00:01:01,001 --> 00:01:04,081 Speaker 1: of the high school, and I still couldn't tell you 15 00:01:04,121 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: how many weeks are in a term. 16 00:01:07,321 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: Google helps out with that sometimes in case you're like 17 00:01:10,161 --> 00:01:12,921 Speaker 2: looking for that quick fix of like, shit, what date 18 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 2: are they going to be home? 19 00:01:15,041 --> 00:01:16,321 Speaker 3: That's the only way I survive. 20 00:01:16,521 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: I've googled that several times this year within the term 21 00:01:20,681 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: to work out what we were in. 22 00:01:22,441 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, how lem I mean, it's probably in the newsletter 23 00:01:24,961 --> 00:01:28,041 Speaker 1: that I read that it's not in Bullpoint. 24 00:01:28,161 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 3: Can't sorry? 25 00:01:38,881 --> 00:01:42,121 Speaker 1: Am I a Bad Mum? For forcing them to go 26 00:01:43,321 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: absolutely not. 27 00:01:44,241 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 3: It would have been necessary for sure. 28 00:01:46,961 --> 00:01:48,081 Speaker 1: They went to school camp. 29 00:01:48,281 --> 00:01:48,961 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 30 00:01:49,201 --> 00:01:52,161 Speaker 1: As we know, my kids hate school camp. They have 31 00:01:52,201 --> 00:01:54,201 Speaker 1: it two get at home. It's funny because all the 32 00:01:54,281 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: kids to hate school camp. 33 00:01:56,321 --> 00:01:58,401 Speaker 3: But I think it's the older they get. 34 00:01:58,881 --> 00:02:02,121 Speaker 2: They don't like school camp because my two are the 35 00:02:02,121 --> 00:02:04,721 Speaker 2: first ones on the bus and the last ones to 36 00:02:04,761 --> 00:02:05,281 Speaker 2: get off. 37 00:02:05,321 --> 00:02:06,921 Speaker 3: They genuinely love it. 38 00:02:06,961 --> 00:02:09,681 Speaker 2: So I reckon it's older because the challenges get more, 39 00:02:10,201 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 2: maybe like in depth for them. 40 00:02:12,041 --> 00:02:15,521 Speaker 1: Yeah, well this particular one, so they went out to 41 00:02:16,201 --> 00:02:19,561 Speaker 1: it's called Emu Gully. It's like out to Womba Way. Yeah, 42 00:02:20,121 --> 00:02:25,081 Speaker 1: and the particular days that they went it was rainy 43 00:02:25,121 --> 00:02:33,961 Speaker 1: and stormy and they they were sleeping in swags outside. Obviously, 44 00:02:34,001 --> 00:02:36,241 Speaker 1: they're not allowed to take their phones, and there are 45 00:02:36,321 --> 00:02:39,081 Speaker 1: kids that do take their phones, but I'm adamant. I'm like, 46 00:02:39,321 --> 00:02:42,121 Speaker 1: absolutely not. The rules are you know, allowd your phone. 47 00:02:42,281 --> 00:02:44,481 Speaker 1: First of all, I don't want you losing your phone. Secondly, 48 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,681 Speaker 1: I don't want you sat scrolling the whole night like 49 00:02:46,721 --> 00:02:49,961 Speaker 1: you don't get any sleep anyway. And Thirdly, which I 50 00:02:50,001 --> 00:02:52,761 Speaker 1: say thirdly it's kind of the first on the list, 51 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:57,841 Speaker 1: really is I don't want you constantly texting me about 52 00:02:57,881 --> 00:03:00,761 Speaker 1: what a horrible time you're having. Actually don't want to know, 53 00:03:01,161 --> 00:03:02,921 Speaker 1: Like I'm going to get that, like for a whole 54 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,001 Speaker 1: day when I pick you up, Yeah, gonna bitch and 55 00:03:06,121 --> 00:03:09,601 Speaker 1: moan and tell me how horrible it is. So for 56 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,521 Speaker 1: these two days, I want to be able to just 57 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:13,321 Speaker 1: not hear about it. 58 00:03:13,401 --> 00:03:16,521 Speaker 2: I just want to enjoy my time without you here 59 00:03:16,841 --> 00:03:19,601 Speaker 2: whining about it. That would be the first reason for 60 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: me too. Yeah, like the scrolling, Yes, that's gonna happen. 61 00:03:22,441 --> 00:03:23,761 Speaker 2: They're gonna have a late night whatever. 62 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,161 Speaker 3: But I don't want to hear about how bad a 63 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:27,881 Speaker 3: time you're having. 64 00:03:28,081 --> 00:03:32,001 Speaker 1: Come and pick me up. This happened. I'm so sad. Like, 65 00:03:32,641 --> 00:03:36,281 Speaker 1: if I am not contactable, you'll just get on with 66 00:03:36,361 --> 00:03:39,121 Speaker 1: things and you'll be fine. Yeah, and you'll cope with 67 00:03:39,161 --> 00:03:42,201 Speaker 1: it all. But if I can be contacted, then you're 68 00:03:42,241 --> 00:03:44,921 Speaker 1: gonna make sure that I feel shit about what you're 69 00:03:45,001 --> 00:03:47,641 Speaker 1: going through. And actually I don't feel shit about what 70 00:03:47,681 --> 00:03:50,201 Speaker 1: you're going through because I think it's resilient. 71 00:03:50,601 --> 00:03:52,761 Speaker 3: Oh, it's so good for them. So what did they 72 00:03:52,801 --> 00:03:53,201 Speaker 3: get up to? 73 00:03:53,441 --> 00:03:55,841 Speaker 1: So they had to sleep in the swags and that 74 00:03:55,921 --> 00:03:59,641 Speaker 1: first night was pissing down with rain, and then there 75 00:03:59,721 --> 00:04:03,001 Speaker 1: was like thunder problems, thunder thunderstorms. Yeah, in my mind, 76 00:04:03,001 --> 00:04:05,921 Speaker 1: I was like, surely they've had to hate them inside 77 00:04:05,961 --> 00:04:10,281 Speaker 1: and they're sleeping in the cabins or something. Yet surely no, 78 00:04:10,961 --> 00:04:15,121 Speaker 1: it slept out in the storm in swags. I said, 79 00:04:15,121 --> 00:04:17,361 Speaker 1: what'd you do with your stuff? Because these swags are. 80 00:04:17,201 --> 00:04:19,521 Speaker 3: Like just you are they waterproof? 81 00:04:19,801 --> 00:04:24,241 Speaker 1: Obously, they definitely got wet, you know, those really tiny 82 00:04:24,401 --> 00:04:27,281 Speaker 1: one man tents were literally and they said, Mum, it's 83 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,601 Speaker 1: so castrophobic, like being in a coffin because they're just 84 00:04:32,521 --> 00:04:36,881 Speaker 1: bags and stuff outside in the rain. So all their 85 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: stuff just got wet. And then what they had to 86 00:04:41,041 --> 00:04:44,241 Speaker 1: do is so they were learning all about when I 87 00:04:44,361 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: laughed last year saying that when they got in the 88 00:04:46,561 --> 00:04:48,561 Speaker 1: car after school camp, it looked like they'd come back 89 00:04:48,561 --> 00:04:53,601 Speaker 1: from war. Literally they were teaching them about ANZACs and 90 00:04:54,401 --> 00:04:58,121 Speaker 1: like one of the activities was they had one kid 91 00:04:58,161 --> 00:05:00,921 Speaker 1: who turned out to be Amelia was chosen to lay 92 00:05:00,921 --> 00:05:03,241 Speaker 1: on a stretcher. She was pretending to be an injured 93 00:05:03,281 --> 00:05:07,801 Speaker 1: soldier and the other the group had to carry her. 94 00:05:08,201 --> 00:05:11,921 Speaker 1: But they had to go through trenches like mud water 95 00:05:12,161 --> 00:05:14,161 Speaker 1: at one point that were up to their necks in 96 00:05:14,281 --> 00:05:17,481 Speaker 1: water like holding up the Oh my gosh, it's so good, 97 00:05:17,641 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: stretcher above them mud everywhere. 98 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,121 Speaker 2: Amelia would have loved that, because she wouldn't have been 99 00:05:23,241 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 2: She's fine, she's light. 100 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:31,241 Speaker 1: Lady, and all the others are like swamping through the mud. 101 00:05:31,401 --> 00:05:33,561 Speaker 1: Holly looked at me when I picked her up and 102 00:05:33,601 --> 00:05:35,081 Speaker 1: she was telling me about what she had to do. 103 00:05:35,121 --> 00:05:39,521 Speaker 1: She went, Mum, we had to be barefoot. They were 104 00:05:39,681 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: barefoot in the mud. I looked at the pictures. I 105 00:05:44,001 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: had a look at the website, and they were showing 106 00:05:45,521 --> 00:05:48,041 Speaker 1: me each different part that they did. I said, what 107 00:05:48,121 --> 00:05:50,001 Speaker 1: if there was like something in there, like when I 108 00:05:50,001 --> 00:05:52,601 Speaker 1: say something like an animal like? I said, was there 109 00:05:52,601 --> 00:05:55,761 Speaker 1: anything in there? She went, I don't know. I didn't 110 00:05:55,801 --> 00:05:58,721 Speaker 1: even want to think about it. It's like swamp water. 111 00:05:59,601 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, so they would have been eels in there for sure. 112 00:06:01,921 --> 00:06:04,601 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I thought snakes like they were in their 113 00:06:04,681 --> 00:06:06,921 Speaker 1: bare foot and there's like. 114 00:06:07,281 --> 00:06:09,561 Speaker 3: I'll deal with it. Their first aid trained. 115 00:06:09,681 --> 00:06:12,801 Speaker 2: They know how to put on like a compression depression 116 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,481 Speaker 2: bandage to stop the poison going up their leg. 117 00:06:17,121 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 118 00:06:17,681 --> 00:06:19,721 Speaker 3: Well, steels are harmless. They don't go for you. 119 00:06:19,801 --> 00:06:23,361 Speaker 2: They just slither between your toes and around your ankles and. 120 00:06:23,961 --> 00:06:27,721 Speaker 1: Even washing their clothes. When they got back great, they 121 00:06:27,761 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: had like this bin bag full of like the wet, 122 00:06:31,081 --> 00:06:35,761 Speaker 1: muddy stuff. I took those like pants out and then 123 00:06:35,841 --> 00:06:38,721 Speaker 1: like put my arm into it was inside out, put 124 00:06:38,721 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: my arm in to turn it the right way round. 125 00:06:41,001 --> 00:06:44,281 Speaker 1: And just the feel of that on my hand, of 126 00:06:44,401 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: the mud and the cold and the wet, I was 127 00:06:47,361 --> 00:06:50,721 Speaker 1: just like, oh, it's horrible. And then they had to 128 00:06:50,761 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: swim in the creek to get the mud off. Yeah, 129 00:06:53,521 --> 00:06:59,561 Speaker 1: it was cold, that'll be fine. Oh. There was the 130 00:06:59,561 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: funniest thing, mum. The shower was a bucket and we 131 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,921 Speaker 1: had to keep filling up the bucket and that's how 132 00:07:05,961 --> 00:07:11,161 Speaker 1: we showered outside. And the toilet was also a bucket. 133 00:07:11,321 --> 00:07:14,721 Speaker 1: It was a Bunnings bucket outside. They had to squat 134 00:07:14,801 --> 00:07:17,561 Speaker 1: over the bucket. I said, did you go for like 135 00:07:17,601 --> 00:07:18,801 Speaker 1: a number two at all? 136 00:07:18,841 --> 00:07:21,561 Speaker 3: They were like no, Oh my gosh. 137 00:07:21,601 --> 00:07:24,161 Speaker 1: They said, when you go to the toilet, you're winging 138 00:07:24,201 --> 00:07:25,361 Speaker 1: over someone else's poop. 139 00:07:27,521 --> 00:07:28,641 Speaker 3: Who empty is a bucket? 140 00:07:28,681 --> 00:07:31,601 Speaker 1: I don't know what. They had to cook their own dinner? 141 00:07:31,961 --> 00:07:33,881 Speaker 3: Yeah, what were they cooking? Did you have to pack 142 00:07:33,921 --> 00:07:36,681 Speaker 3: food and stuff for them? No, but they just had 143 00:07:36,721 --> 00:07:37,161 Speaker 3: to cook it. 144 00:07:37,241 --> 00:07:40,321 Speaker 1: They had to cook it okay. I feel like there 145 00:07:40,401 --> 00:07:42,641 Speaker 1: was a lot of resilience. But you know, the one 146 00:07:42,641 --> 00:07:45,161 Speaker 1: thing that I was really interested in is that they 147 00:07:45,201 --> 00:07:48,961 Speaker 1: had the option not to do those activities because it 148 00:07:49,081 --> 00:07:51,841 Speaker 1: was all about not forcing people to do what they 149 00:07:51,921 --> 00:07:54,041 Speaker 1: don't want to do, which you know, this is a 150 00:07:54,041 --> 00:07:57,681 Speaker 1: controversial top topic. I know how we feel about it. 151 00:07:58,121 --> 00:08:00,521 Speaker 1: I mean, back in the day, suck it up, princess, 152 00:08:00,641 --> 00:08:03,081 Speaker 1: just get on do it. Yeah, you weren't allowed to 153 00:08:03,161 --> 00:08:05,001 Speaker 1: have an option of not doing it because you didn't 154 00:08:05,401 --> 00:08:05,681 Speaker 1: like it. 155 00:08:05,841 --> 00:08:08,881 Speaker 2: What was the ratio of people that chose not to 156 00:08:08,961 --> 00:08:11,081 Speaker 2: do it then the ones that did choose to do it? 157 00:08:11,121 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 3: Was it huge? 158 00:08:11,721 --> 00:08:13,561 Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, I feel like it was. They 159 00:08:13,601 --> 00:08:15,721 Speaker 1: said there were so many people that chose not to 160 00:08:15,721 --> 00:08:18,201 Speaker 1: do it, like fifty to fifty. I said to Holly, 161 00:08:18,521 --> 00:08:21,041 Speaker 1: but you chose to do it. She went, yeah, well, 162 00:08:21,081 --> 00:08:23,481 Speaker 1: we were all working as a team and if I didn't, 163 00:08:23,641 --> 00:08:26,001 Speaker 1: you know, help out. There had to be a certain 164 00:08:26,001 --> 00:08:28,801 Speaker 1: amount of people to carry the stretcher. And she said, 165 00:08:28,801 --> 00:08:30,241 Speaker 1: if I didn't do it, she said, Mum, for the 166 00:08:30,241 --> 00:08:32,761 Speaker 1: first time ever, I like really didn't put myself first. 167 00:08:32,841 --> 00:08:35,321 Speaker 1: I was thinking about everybody else. I was like, good, 168 00:08:35,361 --> 00:08:40,201 Speaker 1: I knew this is resilience. Now next day, my friend, 169 00:08:40,241 --> 00:08:41,601 Speaker 1: you will be back at camp. 170 00:08:41,881 --> 00:08:45,521 Speaker 2: Yes, that's really good to hear, and especially in those moments, 171 00:08:45,561 --> 00:08:47,881 Speaker 2: you sort of have that like as much as they 172 00:08:48,081 --> 00:08:51,881 Speaker 2: bitch and moan about doing it, they did it. They 173 00:08:51,921 --> 00:08:53,881 Speaker 2: could have bitched and moaned and then got there and 174 00:08:53,921 --> 00:08:55,521 Speaker 2: then chose not to participate. 175 00:08:55,761 --> 00:08:57,921 Speaker 3: Yeah, but they didn't. They got in and they were like, 176 00:08:58,241 --> 00:09:00,681 Speaker 3: let's do it. This is a team. And I love that. 177 00:09:00,881 --> 00:09:03,001 Speaker 2: I love that it actually means that whatever you're teaching 178 00:09:03,001 --> 00:09:06,401 Speaker 2: them at home, it's sticking, much as they don't want 179 00:09:06,441 --> 00:09:07,281 Speaker 2: to admit it. 180 00:09:07,601 --> 00:09:08,121 Speaker 1: Yeah. 181 00:09:08,201 --> 00:09:11,761 Speaker 2: I saw the teachers getting off the bus with Gracie's grade, 182 00:09:11,761 --> 00:09:13,041 Speaker 2: which is like grade six. 183 00:09:13,401 --> 00:09:14,841 Speaker 3: Now, these poor teachers. 184 00:09:14,481 --> 00:09:18,081 Speaker 2: Look like they had been at war, and like one 185 00:09:18,081 --> 00:09:21,481 Speaker 2: of them she goes, I have not slept for four nights, 186 00:09:21,721 --> 00:09:23,761 Speaker 2: and I was like, I get it. I mean, like 187 00:09:23,801 --> 00:09:25,481 Speaker 2: I don't get it because I'm not a school teacher 188 00:09:25,481 --> 00:09:28,001 Speaker 2: and i haven't been away with that many kids, which 189 00:09:28,121 --> 00:09:29,881 Speaker 2: was just like poor things. She was like, she ended 190 00:09:29,921 --> 00:09:32,721 Speaker 2: up having like three days off from work because she 191 00:09:33,001 --> 00:09:34,361 Speaker 2: was exhausted. 192 00:09:34,601 --> 00:09:37,881 Speaker 1: And do you know what, honestly, Rach, the preparation for 193 00:09:37,921 --> 00:09:40,441 Speaker 1: this camp and the packing list and the stuff I 194 00:09:40,481 --> 00:09:43,961 Speaker 1: had to buy. Yeah, I went to Kmart. I got 195 00:09:44,041 --> 00:09:48,041 Speaker 1: cheap everything, including like runners to get wet and muddy. 196 00:09:48,321 --> 00:09:51,801 Speaker 1: Cheapest came out ones. I spent four hundred and fifty 197 00:09:51,881 --> 00:09:55,601 Speaker 1: dollars for two nights, so I got to camp. I 198 00:09:55,641 --> 00:09:57,321 Speaker 1: could have got a five star hotel for that. 199 00:09:59,081 --> 00:10:02,161 Speaker 2: That is not going to teach them anything, But how 200 00:10:02,361 --> 00:10:03,681 Speaker 2: was your five star hotels? 201 00:10:03,801 --> 00:10:06,481 Speaker 1: It was really good free time away. And just as 202 00:10:06,521 --> 00:10:08,761 Speaker 1: we dropped the kids off, Amelia turned to me and went, 203 00:10:09,081 --> 00:10:12,441 Speaker 1: enjoy your five star hotel. And I could see in 204 00:10:12,521 --> 00:10:15,401 Speaker 1: her mind she didn't say it, but she may as 205 00:10:15,441 --> 00:10:18,121 Speaker 1: well have gone, enjoy your five star hotel. You fuck it, 206 00:10:18,561 --> 00:10:20,681 Speaker 1: then slam the door and off she goes to camp. 207 00:10:22,161 --> 00:10:24,961 Speaker 3: By Darling, see you in a few days.