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Speaker 1: My guest today is Amy Shark, a truly acclaimed Australian

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Speaker 2: She's got two guitar players, make it six when you

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Speaker 1: It really might surprise you when you hear the difference

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Speaker 2: Is super cool and she just doesn't give a shit.

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Speaker 1: We met once in Brizo. I was at a radio

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Speaker 1: what's the incentive. What's the incentive to have someone culturally

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Speaker 4: And you know, I hope so I always think nothing

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: It great an eraror where records were being bought for

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Speaker 4: Room was there, and she she was living there, she

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Speaker 3: He's never done.

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Speaker 1: She's never she just goes that's interesting. And then like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's you could straight up and.

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Speaker 1: It, all right, So she's it's never been in her

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what would you say to them about supporting them?

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Speaker 4: But yeah, you just you put on these tours and

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Speaker 4: You know, I think it's the hardest time for musicians

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Speaker 4: I wish I was in his era, because like, no

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Speaker 3: But you can't be that anymore.

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Speaker 2: Never.

446
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just wasn't and you could do it, yeah,

447
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 4: and it almost like helped because it made you so cool.

448
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 4: You can't be cool. You can't really be cool anymore.

449
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 4: If you try and be cool, you'll disappear almost.

450
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: I want to be getting a smoothe with Ariana Grande

451
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 1: at four in the afternoon on a Wednesday.

452
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to see that.

453
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 4: I want to see what she's doing. Yeah, every and

454
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 4: if I'm not, then she's boring and I might n't

455
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 4: follow her boom.

456
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 3: How bad is.

457
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 2: That it's certainly not about great songs.

458
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 3: It's really unfair.

459
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 4: That's why when when they're like, oh, we just kind

460
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 4: of need a few more tiktoks and reels, I'm like,

461
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 4: and then and then you know, my manager will be like, oh, go,

462
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 4: I haven't heard you haven't sent me a demo in

463
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 4: a while. And because I'm really good, like I write

464
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 4: all the time and I'm always sending demos, and then lately, yeah,

465
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 4: he's not getting any. I'm like, do you know why

466
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 4: I'm spending so much fucking time on social media? The

467
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 4: other day, I actually left my phone in the kitchen

468
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 4: and I just like I just wrote, I just like

469
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 4: didn't look at it for ages. And really, I know

470
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 4: everyone says this and like had time away from your phone,

471
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 4: but when you really do it, and you even for

472
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 4: an hour, there's something that happens to your brain where

473
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 4: you're just like I felt, but I was happier, I

474
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 4: was in a better mood.

475
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 3: Everything changed, Like there's.

476
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 2: Only so much fuel. You've got to have your brain

477
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 2: do that creative thing in the day.

478
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know about you or your manager,

479
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 1: but I'd be like, that's marketing. That's your budget. You

480
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: pay for someone to go over out. I know, asking

481
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: her to do it herself is sapping the thing that

482
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: we actually make money from away.

483
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,959
Speaker 2: That's not the product.

484
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 3: They don't want to do it like the way I

485
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 3: want to do it.

486
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 4: So yeah, So I feel for artists who that is

487
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 4: not their stick, not interested. But I've also said to them,

488
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 4: I'm like, there is a way you can do it.

489
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 4: You don't have to be funny, you don't have to

490
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 4: do little like skits that are cringe or you know,

491
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 4: you don't even have to do the trend that's on

492
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 4: these reels or TikTok or whatever. You can do it

493
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 4: in a way that's authentic to you.

494
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 3: But it's just extra work.

495
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd like to make a hook that you want

496
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: to sing the day you get married, and that's going

497
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: to take me time to write the song that gets

498
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: played when your first child born child is born. I'm

499
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: probably gonna have to write eighty songs that aren't that

500
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: great to get to that one. I don't get to

501
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: do that if I'm busy constantly updating this algorithm that

502
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: is never satisfied.

503
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a shitty part.

504
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 1: Of Yeah, we're asking a musicians to do now is

505
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: to sap they use their creativity on this thing. I

506
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: was just wonder when I was a channel V like,

507
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 1: how's the guy? Well, he's not very good chat of

508
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: course not. He sat in his bedroom and played guitar

509
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: riffs his entire life and now he's in Australia. Yeah,

510
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't know how to talk to people because he's

511
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: never had to.

512
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 3: I know.

513
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 4: It's like when I go to photo shoots and I

514
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 4: hate them and I'm really bad at them. Like I'm

515
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 4: not like people tell, oh, you did great, No I didn't.

516
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 4: But like it's like I didn't become a musician to

517
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 4: have my photo taken and to be dressed like this

518
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 4: and to know where to stand and how to look

519
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 4: and too you know, it takes me so long to

520
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 4: get one good photo. But I yeah, I give myself

521
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 4: a break because I'm like, that's not my thing. I

522
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 4: never wanted to be a model or do any of

523
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 4: this shit.

524
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: Like, but that's you can't be in the kind of

525
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: music that you make, which is slash indie pop depending

526
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: on you know where you are.

527
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 2: You can't be there without having that. There's a visual

528
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 2: aspect to it.

529
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 4: You also need to, like in the right way, be

530
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 4: the nice guy. Like if I said no to Vogue,

531
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 4: well I'm an asshole. It's like, how do you have

532
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 4: dare you say no to that? And then those people

533
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 4: kind of like, ah, that's like you know, word spreads,

534
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 4: word spreads so much.

535
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: That's what you pay percentage for amy.

536
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. You don't pay people to say yes to you.

537
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: You pay people to say.

538
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: No for you.

539
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's just there is a balance of that.

540
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 4: There's a balance and I'm getting I've got to this

541
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 4: really nice place now where I feel really comfortable and

542
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 4: confident to be like that's not going to happen.

543
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 3: I don't feel like I have to do that.

544
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 4: But but that comes at a cost of well, they

545
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 4: might not add your song or they might not.

546
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 3: Do this, and it's it's just it's just always picking

547
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 3: your battles.

548
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 2: It is.

549
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: And certainly when it comes to to male artists, the

550
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: pressure to get the rig out is definitely there.

551
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, and.

552
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: Well exactly that's what I'm saying, like, but with formal

553
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: artists it's an entirely different spectrum. Is that if you're

554
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: not you know, showing your ass every couple of days

555
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: on the ground and are you really.

556
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 2: That good a pop song?

557
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, it's fucking crazy, just not hot enough for us. Yeah,

558
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 4: I know, it's like it's just never ending.

559
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 2: Man, how do you be with that?

560
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: How do you be with the There could be a

561
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: zero added to my you know, whatever metric it is,

562
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: downloads or tour figures.

563
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 2: If this particular intervention in my way visage was.

564
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: There's plenty of artists that have done that. All right,

565
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: there's before and after photos of some artists. Yeah, I

566
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: can see why you did make.

567
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 2: That investment, you know.

568
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I was lucky at the start, just

569
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 4: because I had such a clear vision. I had such

570
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 4: a clear look, and maybe I owe it to being

571
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 4: a little bit older, where you know, I kind of

572
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 4: was really bitter and resentful about but the looking back now,

573
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 4: I'm like, jeez, thank god I wasn't sixteen or seventeen,

574
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 4: because I I'd already had fifteen years of men being like,

575
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 4: you know, you should wear dresses when you play here

576
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 4: love and you should you should smile more, you should

577
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 4: wear more makeup. And it's like, I think I honestly

578
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 4: hit late twenties, early thirties and I was like, fuck that,

579
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 4: I'm so done.

580
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 3: I don't care. So I came in ready with a

581
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 3: bloody nose, just being like, no, I'm not gonna do that.

582
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna do that.

583
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 4: And yeah, So I already had a clear idea of

584
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 4: who I wanted to be, so anyone that sort of

585
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 4: approached myself and my team knew what is possible and

586
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 4: what is like just not going to happen.

587
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: How does that affect when you're on and I'm like,

588
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: I've been there, when you're on a show like Idle

589
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: and you can see sixteen year old or seventeen year

590
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: old kid with the stars in their eyes who doesn't

591
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: yet know to say, actually, no, that's probably not something

592
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: I should do, or haven't anything around them saying no,

593
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:08,959
Speaker 1: there's probably not something you should do.

594
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 4: Kids different these days, You know, kids smart, Like I

595
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 4: wasn't this smart at their age. But you know what

596
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 4: I think about every now and then I think about

597
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 4: the crap that I was watching, Like I was just

598
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 4: obsessed with Dawson's Creek that was so mind numbingly kind

599
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 4: of dumb. And now kids are like watching Breaking Back

600
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 4: and learning about how to make ice and stuff, and

601
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 4: like they're like learning things and like, you know, like

602
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 4: shows are crazy now and I was just like brain

603
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 4: dead watching like BOC Yeah, but on a.

604
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: Track, those guys bought fucking houses.

605
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: They bought two houses because they got their song on

606
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: that Mechanical royalties.

607
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 3: Paula Cola is not going hungry those tracks.

608
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: Boy yeah, good night man.

609
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 3: That's every artist dream.

610
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 4: But these kids come in and I feel like if

611
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 4: they're is one that I see coming out dressed as

612
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 4: something and then she's pulling at it and her performance

613
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 4: is rubbish because of it.

614
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 3: I've said it before.

615
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 4: I'm like, were you comfortable, and and she's like, no,

616
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 4: not really. I just felt a bit insecure, and I'm like, so,

617
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 4: why did you wear it?

618
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: Don't?

619
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 4: And I just hope that that abruptionness, even though it

620
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 4: might shock them at the start. I just hope that

621
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 4: that sits with them because I do it for that

622
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 4: reason to hope that that because I remember people saying

623
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 4: it to me and the way it said. It's like,

624
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 4: oh well remember that, and I will put that into

625
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 4: practice because I did.

626
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have worn this. I should have said that.

627
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.

628
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: For years, I just wore what they told me to

629
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: walk because I just wanted to do the right thing

630
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: and really yeah, yeah.

631
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 4: Yeahh I don't remember when I think about you. I

632
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 4: always thinking of you guys being so cool and funny

633
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 4: and chill, like.

634
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 3: I like it just was it as fun as it looked?

635
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 3: Did you have like the best time all these time?

636
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 2: Oh?

637
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: Man, so Idle at work was always amazing. Yeah, the

638
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: work part was always amazing. And I was trying to

639
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: tell this to someone the other day because I did

640
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: a mental health chat gig in the country the other.

641
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 2: Day and they said, mate, we never would have known

642
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 2: you would have.

643
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: I said this kind of like looking at Ariana Tipmus

644
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: and going, you can walk because you've only ever seen

645
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: a swim right Yeah yeah, yeah, only people only ever

646
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: saw me when I was doing the thing.

647
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: They made everything Okay, I'm.

648
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: Doing this thing where I'm so completely focused and everything's

649
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: so rehearsed, like, and I'm free to be expressive in this,

650
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: you know, because we're live and it's exciting and it's

651
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: unbelievably stimulating and for that thirty seconds, minute, two minutes

652
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: where ever we're on a camera, it was just like

653
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: the perfect golf shot.

654
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you were very so so so good at it.

655
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 3: I'd like to think that Instincts was so good.

656
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: I worked really hard to do it. Yeah, and they're

657
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: same with you.

658
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't you don't accidentally get the musical

659
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: knowledge or how to hold a crowd or what to say,

660
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: or knowing I might have to drop the next song

661
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: because these guys are going to leave.

662
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 3: Thin on the fly.

663
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: You know, that stuff comes just from flat mass. So

664
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: it was the other twenty three hours that were hard.

665
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,239
Speaker 4: In what way, oh like like just by being on

666
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 4: television and having people think a certain that thing of

667
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 4: you or.

668
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: That part was there, but I was you know, also

669
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: people say the camera adds ten pounds. Well, I kind

670
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: of had this idea when I was a kid that

671
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: everything would be awesome once I got on TV. The

672
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: only thing that happened was that everything that wasn't awesome

673
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: in my life was magnified just as like crazy intensely

674
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: because I couldn't get away from it. And I figured

675
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: out I had have a much different approach to my

676
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: work now, and I'm grateful for But yeah, it was

677
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: like some fucking super fun things. But that's because and

678
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: you've seen it. One of those big shows you're doing

679
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: a dance with one hundred and fifteen other people. Yeah,

680
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: all very professional and all the best in the country

681
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: at what they do, and when you all move together,

682
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: it's just like when it really lands. Yeah, everyone just

683
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: fuck it, Like when the band when you're like.

684
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, when you're tired, and it's like that was

685
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 3: a show.

686
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it.

687
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: It's unspoken and so similarly, so that's yeah, we've got

688
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: to some cooler ship.

689
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: Stop.

690
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: But that's similarly like the budget was there.

691
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 4: Because of the people you had in your life at

692
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 4: that time or was it Like I mean, look, you

693
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 4: were doing it at a time where there was no

694
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,479
Speaker 4: competition of streaming or anything like right now, it's like

695
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 4: we all get a shock when we get told, oh,

696
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 4: I don'll rate the views, and the ratings were massive,

697
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 4: and it's like, oh cool, great, because it's like you're

698
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 4: up against it. Yeah, you guys were it, man. We

699
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 4: we were on every television. Your face is the most

700
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 4: known face.

701
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Speaker 1: We were pulling two point two on a Monday. Yeah,

702
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: and a fucking Monday, not even Sunday. Those days are

703
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: gone because it was three other channels and the internet

704
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: made noises when you dialed it up and that was it.

705
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: So that's what happened.

706
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Speaker 1: What are you going to get another dollar weekly and

707
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: an overnight from Blockbuster? Now you're going to turn this

708
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Speaker 1: thing on.

709
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Speaker 3: It's free. Here we go down the round pizza night.

710
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that exactly right. And that was it.

711
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: Just my away from the show to say that.

712
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: There is a link in the show notes to get

713
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: on the newsletter where you can get access to content

714
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: that I don't put here. It's just a click away

715
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: and you'll be all over everything. If you like this episode,

716
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: please share it. Do take the time to rate it,

717
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: review it, send it on text it to someone.

718
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 2: Read the reviews. If they say what you want to.

719
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: Say, great If they don't, pop them in there, because

720
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: those things really really matter.

721
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: They don't cost you anything, but they really help us here.

722
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 2: This is my sole source of income and I need

723
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 2: to keep the lights on here at the house.

724
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: So if you like what I'm doing, please get around

725
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: us and let a person know about the show.

726
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Speaker 2: Back in a minute.

727
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Speaker 1: I only heard a few songs of the record that

728
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: are out, but you've hit a theme but I know

729
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: is quite common with people.

730
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Speaker 2: It's that the kind of weirdness of a Sunday afternoon.

731
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me about I was a little further north,

732
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: not very far, maybe sixty k's eighty k's. But there's

733
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: something about the angle of light in Queensland day afternoon.

734
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: Can I either put you one or two ways?

735
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 4: Oh my god, dude, that is exactly what I was

736
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 4: trying to explain. There's a different color grade on the earth,

737
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 4: especially on the Gold Coast. I felt growing up, and

738
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 4: even like recently, it's just it's just a weird feeling.

739
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 4: And I called it that because it's so generational for me,

740
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 4: Like I remember it like on weekends being like, oh man,

741
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 4: this street lights, alright, I go home.

742
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 3: I got school tomorrow. I don't want to go.

743
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 4: And it's just like such a it feels like the

744
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 4: darkest depression when you're a kid.

745
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Speaker 3: It's not the worst. It's just so not that bad,

746
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 3: but it is. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

747
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 4: And then the older you get and the more shit

748
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 4: you've been through, the memories come flooding back, and then

749
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, man, probably should have called my nan

750
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 4: or I probably should do this, And I wonder how

751
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 4: that person's going. God, I don't ever speak to her anymore.

752
00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 4: And then all the list of things creep into my brain.

753
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 4: And because no one works on a Sunday and I

754
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 4: don't have kids, so like my friends have got their

755
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 4: kids and my label isn't working, so I can't hound

756
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 4: them for anything.

757
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 3: Everything stops and I do not know what to do.

758
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: Oh, and you have to be with the discomfort in

759
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: your own body.

760
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 3: So I ended up.

761
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 4: Sitting there with like usually a bottle of red and

762
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 4: just my one glimmer of hope for the night was

763
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 4: spaghetti or like some sort of pasta, like at least

764
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 4: I have that, And then I would work on the

765
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 4: record and like finish some things or write new stuff.

766
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 4: So it became a little became something that helped me

767
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Speaker 4: through Sundays, like.

768
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Speaker 3: I'm going to work on that song tonight. That'll be fun.

769
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Speaker 3: And how it was Sunday's for you now, Oh they'll

770
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 3: forever suck. The Sundays scaries are just always going to

771
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Speaker 3: be there.

772
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Speaker 1: You know, there's whole parts of the world where that's Saturday. Yeah,

773
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: the week goes from Sunday to Sunday to Friday.

774
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Speaker 2: That's it.

775
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sunday, Thursday. Sorry, weekend is Friday Saturday. So if

776
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: you want to get away from the Sunday scaries. You

777
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: can't live in one of those countries though some of them,

778
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, depending on your.

779
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 2: Gender, fun or not fun places to be.

780
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but the first I think that's why there was

781
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 4: Sunday sessions and I used to love them, right, but

782
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 4: it was so bad for me. But like I would

783
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 4: always say to my friend we used to work together,

784
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 4: and would be like, oh, should we just go have

785
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 4: like one and then but we neither of us want to.

786
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 3: Go home, let's face it.

787
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 4: So we're just like, oh, let's just rip in, like

788
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 4: we'll deal with tomorrow tomorrow, and you don't think about Sunday.

789
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Speaker 3: But then you're a mess. And Monday's even worse.

790
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Speaker 1: When you doing Friday night nine o'clock drinking at Sunday

791
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: afternoon two o'clock thinking pub shuts.

792
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Speaker 2: At eight, I've got a heart out, like I'm literally

793
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 2: going to be there's no I'm just going to have

794
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 2: to go home.

795
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: And then eight I'm stumbling out of the Ari into Wong,

796
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: just going walking home because I've drunk all the.

797
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: Morning, like five k. They'd run out of cash.

798
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Speaker 1: You say, kids are different, Like when I was G's age,

799
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: I was drinking my paycheck keeping enough bus fae to

800
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Speaker 1: get to work.

801
00:37:59,200 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: That was it.

802
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 4: That's yeah, man, just just that that was it, and

803
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 4: like where's everyone hanging out? And like But then I

804
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 4: look at it, like I loved like doing like film

805
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 4: and editing and stuff. And I had this chunky, big

806
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 4: thing like with the big tapes in them, and I

807
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 4: had like an edit suite that you had to like

808
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 4: put together almost and and I really think about what

809
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 4: I could have done, like show my age now if

810
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 4: YouTube was around or something, you know, because I was

811
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 4: already doing that shit. But we were just laughing with

812
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 4: our friends, like drinking like a million cruises going how

813
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 4: funny is that party that Amy shot the other day?

814
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 4: And I put music to it? And like you know,

815
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 4: I made it my job to find like weird like

816
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 4: avalanches and Port's Head, and I really made it my

817
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 4: thing to put cool music to these to these party videos.

818
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 4: Luckily now I'm the one behind the camera. But the

819
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 4: shit I have, like if I was doing it, I'm

820
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 4: just like it.

821
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: I own it. I've put a fair bit on a

822
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: hard drive. Yeah, I just needed to make.

823
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 4: The move to put it on on the cloud.

824
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 3: On drugs.

825
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: I've got to find a VHS machine.

826
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got one. It's and it all works. It

827
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 4: just takes I had through COVID. Actually I did it.

828
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 4: I like started watching and started converning a lot of stuff,

829
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 4: and that's when I realized, Wow, I'm so glad I

830
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 4: own these this vision and no one else has it.

831
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the thing that makes the

832
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: young younger generations than me, and you know, I can't

833
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: speak for yourself, but because there is someone's always filming. Yeah,

834
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 1: but to not be filmed and to have the dumb

835
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: shit that I was doing.

836
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 3: Oh man, be so free.

837
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: Yeah that's maybe a thirty five mil camera that someone

838
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: brought with them.

839
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: There could be a photo that.

840
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 4: Was you knew if someone had a video camera be like,

841
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 4: oh you got a video camera. Whoa, that's awesome. Yeah,

842
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 4: come and film this bierbong or whatever. But like, yeah, now,

843
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 4: you know, it's just so everyone's so sly and you

844
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 4: could just yeah, anything can be filmed at any time.

845
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 4: It's like, it's it's crazy.

846
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: Somebody to be said for not having everything documented always

847
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: and being free to fuck up.

848
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 3: Love. I love that that wasn't here.

849
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 4: I love that I actually got through school not having

850
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 4: social media, like it was. It was coming like, it

851
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 4: was very close, but it was not not a thing.

852
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: You'd be in my top, Amy Shark.

853
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: I really know you wouldn't be my wife. And you

854
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: knew about.

855
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 4: It though, when when someone wasn't bro Yeah, yeah, I

856
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 4: remember calling up so many people being like, hey, why'd

857
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 4: I drop out?

858
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 3: What I do?

859
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 1: What's this thing we're using that I'm holding in my hand?

860
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: That is an unbroken piece of copper wire between me

861
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: and your house. I had to explain that to Wolfgang

862
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: the other day.

863
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: What's that?

864
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: It's a telephone? There's this flat piece of glass that

865
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 1: you see me and mum holding. It's a thing.

866
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, because kids kids do that now as wild.

867
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 2: Isn't it?

868
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: What?

869
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 2: But you hate everything changes. There's something in that. Maybe

870
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: you should put that in a song.

871
00:40:59,200 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: Nothing good last for hours.

872
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: It's a pretty good hook. Yeah, yeah, you don't know

873
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: what you got till it's gone. Something in that. I

874
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: don't know if Johnny Mitchell got there first, but it

875
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: could work.

876
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: You never know, do a remix.

877
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 2: Talk to Janet Japs about that. But yeah, Keechip was

878
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: involved as well.

879
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: I think when you're out and about and you are yeah,

880
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: you're blowing money on Piro, but sure, there's show and

881
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: show business.

882
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: You've got to do it.

883
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: When you see the reaction of the people in the crowd,

884
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: when you see them singing along and you know the

885
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: pira is coming, you're like, oh, you.

886
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 2: Just wait to the key change.

887
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, boom. It's the best feeling in the world.

888
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Speaker 4: I think that's why I was happy to invest in

889
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 4: it and break even even lose money on it, because

890
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 4: I wanted to get out of clubs, so I wanted

891
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 4: to be able to play bigger spaces, and I knew

892
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 4: that I needed to show up and show that I

893
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 4: was willing to drop a bunch of coin on the

894
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 4: show to make it worthy of the ticket price and

895
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 4: the venue.

896
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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's pretty special. I remember the day.

897
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 4: It was about a month we couldn't afford dinner because

898
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 4: we've got this massive Amy Shark sign belt.

899
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 3: It was so expensive. But it's so cool. I didn't

900
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 3: care what anyone says.

901
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 4: It feels a bit much like sometimes like two people

902
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 4: who aren't wanting the big show and stuff. It might

903
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 4: be a bit what's the word I'm looking for ghost grandiose, grandiose.

904
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 4: But I'm I love it. I'm so proud of it

905
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,479
Speaker 4: each time I see it. But I'm also the same

906
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 4: when like, if I win an award, I'm just so

907
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 4: grateful and I like, I'm really proud of it. I'm

908
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 4: not like embarrassed, and I'm like.

909
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, fuck yeah, I looked really hard. I really wanted

910
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 3: to win that, you know.

911
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 4: So anyway I had, I had years where I was

912
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 4: battling do I why do I care? And I'm like, oh,

913
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 4: I know, I care because I got beaten down for

914
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 4: twenty fucking years and I really I'm here now and

915
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 4: approved myself and now I'm gonna have fun with it,

916
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 4: and I get to make music every day and I

917
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 4: get to like play these awesome rooms because I put

918
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 4: so much time and effort into the show and the

919
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 4: look and the feel of it. So yeah, anytime I

920
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 4: get to play these big rooms, I'm just like so

921
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 4: proud of everyone, the whole team.

922
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: What's it like when your music.

923
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: Re intersects with the ven diagram of rugby league, when

924
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: you when you kind of cross over back into your

925
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: previous life.

926
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's so weird rugby league. Oh my god, Like.

927
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 4: It's a real funny moment because I really had such

928
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 4: a supportive boss. Like when I worked at the Gold

929
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 4: Coast Titans and the whole club was so supportive of me,

930
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 4: Like even the players would come to my shows, and

931
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 4: I really was a magic time working for that club.

932
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 4: We didn't win many games, but they're winning now, so

933
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 4: that's that's good. But yeah, when I play like NRL

934
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 4: games and I see some of the girls from NRL

935
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 4: and from the Titans, it's it's weird because I'm just

936
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 4: I'm Amy who worked in like you know, film and

937
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 4: the editing department and the community arm and and I

938
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 4: just don't think anyone expected It's like no one, no

939
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 4: one expected this. I still kept my job even on

940
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 4: the first tour, I was still working.

941
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 3: I couldn't.

942
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 4: I wasn't sure. I was just like, I have a

943
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 4: really good job. I don't want to get rid of it.

944
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 4: And then it was until the song came number two

945
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 4: and the hottest one hundred on Triple J and my

946
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 4: managers like, Amy, you need to resign.

947
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 3: Now, you got to go.

948
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 4: Now we're going to be really busy and you just

949
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 4: can't be cutting videos all you're onto.

950
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: I was like cutting videos.

951
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 4: I was on tour with Cubsport and I was like

952
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 4: late to the Brisbane show because I still had work

953
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 4: to do.

954
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 3: I just look back and I'm like what, But I

955
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 3: really had no faith. I was just like, this isn't

956
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 3: okay to.

957
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: Half a hedge. It's okay to keep it in something that's.

958
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: Like there's a great humility that also comes with that

959
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,959
Speaker 1: of being of service to someone else. Gig's got nothing

960
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 1: to do with you or your image, Like you're working.

961
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: There's something particularly about a club that's not doing well.

962
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: Everybody used that everyone shows up to practice when the

963
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: club's doing well, club's not doing well, to get the community,

964
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: to get the members just come down and watch the

965
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: guy's train. What did you learn about community building and

966
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 1: nourishing a community from your time working at the Gold

967
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: Coast Titans that you still kind of carry with you.

968
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 4: It takes a long time. That's got to be your

969
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 4: main focus is people, and you've got to be able

970
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 4: to You've got to be able to be one with

971
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 4: the people and talk to the people. And yeah, the

972
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 4: Gold Coast is still such a young club. But yeah,

973
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 4: I mean I was really lucky with my job there

974
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 4: because I got thrown into the community and we did

975
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 4: a lot of Indigenous youth youth summits and programs, and

976
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 4: I got to go to like Dumigee and Mornington Island

977
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 4: with like Preston Campbell, and I learned so much. Like

978
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 4: I had no idea on these remote communities. The people

979
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,479
Speaker 4: I met and I got to interview wasn't even my job.

980
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 4: I just like started talking to people and I was like,

981
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 4: do you mind if I like start filming and they

982
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 4: were so lovely to me, and yeah, I just I'm

983
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 4: just I'm so grateful for that, even coming into music

984
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 4: now and where the country is at right now, I'm

985
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 4: just really grateful that I'm somewhat educated.

986
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, and I'm glad you got a chance to

987
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: do that because who you are to a lot of people,

988
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: when you talk about it may bring a different angle

989
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 1: to something that may have learned just through OSMOS. Yes, total,

990
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 1: which is my faults. Yeah, I grew up in Queensland.

991
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: I've been to parts of country where people use words

992
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: that you don't use. If someone you know hears it

993
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: in a song or he hang on, what's going on

994
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: with that? Seems like a yeah, yeah it's the secret weapon.

995
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 1: I think it's just people are people.

996
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much for coming in.

997
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.

998
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 2: This is so great you made.

999
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 1: The time to do this, and I know you're busy,

1000
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: and I'm glad that I a am a tiny little

1001
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: part of your day today because it's lovely to see you.

1002
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 4: Oh, it's so nice to see and I love This

1003
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 4: is such a great setup and you're such a good

1004
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 4: chat and we have so much more we could talk about.

1005
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 2: That was Amy Shark.

1006
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: She is absolutely next level. Her latest single is called

1007
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: Beautiful Eyes and it's out right now, so stream it

1008
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: today forty thousand times if you can. I don't know

1009
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 1: if you'd technically be able to do that within twenty

1010
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: four hours, but give it a shot, and then do

1011
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: that every day forever so she can get minimum wage.

1012
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: Please at least her third studio album, it's called Sunday

1013
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: Sadness and it's out this week. You can buy a

1014
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: hard copy. You can figure out ways to buy a

1015
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: hard copy. Go see her live. That's how you can

1016
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 1: absolutely support her. As you heard the show, she puts

1017
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 1: a lot of effort and a lot of investment into

1018
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: the show.

1019
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 2: And when you go to the show.

1020
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: Buy the merch buy the T shirts, buy the actual

1021
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: physical thing. That is how you can support an Australian artists.

1022
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being a.

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Speaker 2: Part of the show.

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Speaker 1: Get on the mailing list. There's a link in the

1025
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: show notes. I put stuff out through the week that

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Speaker 1: it doesn't end up here. I'm going to have the

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Speaker 1: credits read to you by an AI voice with a

1028
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Speaker 1: very very different accent to mine.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for being a part of it.

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Speaker 5: This episode was brought to you by Andy Maer on

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Speaker 5: audio post production, becksaide on video post production to Hyder

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Speaker 5: on music. Our producer is Bree Steele. Ausher's executive function

1033
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