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Speaker 1: Well, there's been traffic chaos this morning, as you will

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Speaker 1: the out of control truck smashed into a wall at

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Speaker 2: This is where the fountain is.

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Speaker 1: It's been hit before in other crashes, including the crash

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Speaker 1: years ago. Now maybe a bit more than that. In

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Speaker 1: this incident early this morning around four am, a sixty

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Speaker 1: five year old man from Millicent was cut from the

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Speaker 1: wreckage and taken to hospital with serious but fortunately not

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Speaker 1: life threatening injuries. The accident creating mayhem for Hills commuters

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Speaker 1: with peak hour road closures, and Jade Robroin was up

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Speaker 1: and this is some of what she had to say

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Speaker 3: We're going to have to have engineers major crashes just arrived.

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Speaker 3: There's a very strong police presence. They're going to have

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Speaker 3: to take a look at this wall, it will have

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Speaker 3: to come down. And being a cement truck, it has

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Speaker 3: rolled over on its side and there is cements built

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Speaker 1: Now, Grant Stevens, the police Commissioner, was in and he

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Speaker 1: had a chat with David Well. When he finished, I

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Speaker 2: Commissioner, you're in this morning.

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Speaker 1: Fortuitously I wanted to ask about the arresta Bed, the

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Speaker 1: situation up there. Do we need a third arrest of Bed?

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Speaker 1: What is the police view on this? Your thoughts especially.

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Speaker 4: Well thanks for asking that. I do need to let

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Speaker 4: the major crash investigates understand the full circumstances of the

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Speaker 4: collision and see what led to this truck getting all

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Speaker 4: it's a question for others in relation to whether or

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Speaker 4: not we need a third arrest of Bed, and based

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Speaker 4: on a history of crash data. So rather than reacting

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Speaker 2: It's not one incident though, is it. I mean this

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Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, that's what I'm saying is we should be

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Speaker 4: looking at all of those things to see whether a

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Speaker 4: or whether we need to put other steps in place

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Speaker 1: It seems so fortunate for one of a better way

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, we can only reflect on previous incidents

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Speaker 4: of the level of traffic congestion at the time. So

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Speaker 4: that it happened so early and traffic was really light.

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Speaker 1: And I think those comments there just indicates something else

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Speaker 4: I can probably guarantee that our friends in the Department

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Speaker 4: of Transport major crash investigators.

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Speaker 2: Would be doing their report.

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Speaker 4: Everyone will be looking at whether there are things that

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Speaker 1: Let's have a chat with Charles Mountain, the raa senior

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Speaker 1: manager of safety and infrastructure at that organization. Charles, good morning,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for your time. It keeps coming up. Sadly, we've

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Speaker 5: Look, it's certainly something that is required. I think ultimately

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Speaker 5: other actions already in train, such as relocating the stop

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Speaker 5: pointed out, it was fortunately this occurred at a time

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Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, well that's the issue, and you're right about

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Speaker 2: It is deceptive.

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Speaker 1: There you go past that last arrest, a bed on

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Speaker 1: In fact, I reckon there might even be a slight

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Speaker 5: Well that's right, And of course it's exacerbated by the

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Speaker 5: I sort of unfortunately running to the poor vehicles in

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Speaker 5: that's why we do need to look again at providing

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Speaker 1: And you know, as a non traffic engineer. You look

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Speaker 5: Yes. I think the other important point to recognize too,

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Speaker 5: we do need to continue to look at what we

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Speaker 5: it may be worth reintroducing that campaign again to just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, well that would be absolutely important. But you know,

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Speaker 5: Well potentially, yes, and obviously that's what we don't want

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Now, while I have you federal budget, the arraas

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Speaker 1: and really, apart from the Verdunharandorf interchange, the money there

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Speaker 5: Well, no, I think that's a fair summary. Obviously, we're

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Speaker 5: very pleased to see the reinstatement of the money for

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Speaker 5: that's the key part of the freight bypass in itself.

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Speaker 5: So that obviously is something that we will continue to

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Speaker 5: is critical and will need to happen. The Southeastern Freeway

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Speaker 5: of funding, there were some one hundred million dollars for that,

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Speaker 5: so we're not quite sure what that will be allocated for.

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Speaker 5: It might be things such as they will manage motorway

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Speaker 5: facilities such as gantry, sidings and advanced warning messaging, which

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Speaker 5: would be invaluable. Tocial motors nowhere's what's happened, and critically

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Speaker 5: in any subsequent traffic jams as well. So yes, overall

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Speaker 5: certainly is welcomed as well. So again we'll look forward

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Speaker 2: What's active transport that.

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Speaker 5: Covers things such as cycling, walking, and perhaps personal transport

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Speaker 5: devices as well. So typically that's alternatives to using private

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Speaker 5: things such as what we call first and last mile.

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Speaker 5: So for example, you might take a train journey and

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Speaker 5: then you might have like a kilometer between your house

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Speaker 5: So what are the options to ensure that that last

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Speaker 5: part of your journey can be done safely, inefficiently.

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Speaker 2: Years ago we just used to walk it.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's right, but because ensuring that you know the

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Speaker 5: walking is safe as well, that's really important and effective too.

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Speaker 5: So that is an important point, and again because if

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Speaker 5: all that comes together, it reduces people's reliance on private vehicles,

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Speaker 5: particularly for journeys where they're heavily congested. So it's an

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Speaker 1: And I know one thing you've highlighted in your release, Charles,

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Speaker 1: is reform to replace the fuel excise all the EV's

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Speaker 1: seemingly every day. Given the government is pushing evs as

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Speaker 1: well as a solution to the climate issue, it's high time,

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Speaker 1: isn't it that they addressed how owners of evs pay

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Speaker 1: on just motorists of internal combustion engine owners of internal

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that there's a couple of things with this.

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Speaker 5: Obviously that the challenge is to ensure there's enough revenue

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Speaker 5: coming into the system to maintain and then upgrade our

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Speaker 5: national road network. So that obviously is a key point.

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Speaker 5: As we move away from internal combustion engine vehicles and

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Speaker 5: reduced revenue stream that very NEU stream to be able

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Speaker 5: to fulfill that task is obviously increasing. And yes we've

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Speaker 5: maintaining the road network. How that's done obviously is a challenge,

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Speaker 5: but at the end of the day, it's something that

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Speaker 5: consume much less fuel for the distance traveled and so

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Speaker 5: consequently under the current scheme, will not be providing the

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Speaker 5: that they use that would be the case with older

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Speaker 2: There we go, Chils, appreciate your time and insights and

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Speaker 2: all that. Thank you. Thanks Makan Chrailes Mountain from the

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Speaker 2: RAA