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Speaker 2: Now today on the backstage with Kooper made John's we

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Speaker 2: have got one of the greatest players in the modern

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Speaker 2: era in my opinion. He said he's had a couple

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Speaker 2: of he's had some tough runs with injuries, but when

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Speaker 2: he's fully fit, you know, there hasn't been a better

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Speaker 2: tacking player. And we're talking about Tom Travoivic Turbo told

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Speaker 2: teammate of yours.

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Speaker 1: Old teammate, old old friend.

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Speaker 2: What's the look to play with with Turbo?

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Speaker 3: Very good?

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Speaker 1: I mean he got hurt the year we played together,

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Speaker 1: did the peck in Origin last year obviously, but I

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Speaker 1: was unbelievable to play with. And just the comfort like

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Speaker 1: just the confidence and the aura that he's got out

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Speaker 1: was I remember there was a game in particular that

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Speaker 1: he just had a big game. He could just really

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Speaker 2: When look, when he's fully fit and playing mainly top fourteen,

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Speaker 2: that's it he I think looking through the league, there's

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Speaker 2: It's funny. I haven't seen a center have as big

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Speaker 2: but of course Tom Travoivich and mainly I think he's

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Speaker 1: Let's say he's probably not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been the most influential, but it made such

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Speaker 2: an amazing family, so you know, and the thinking about

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Speaker 2: it is like he and he and Jake and I've

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Speaker 2: met Ben before and Luke. They're all great kids because

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Speaker 2: they're a by product of their family, their mum and dad,

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Speaker 2: who's beautiful people.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that's always the case.

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Speaker 2: I know where you're going at this, I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to engage why On a different note. On a different note,

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Speaker 2: we're talking about great players and a couple of nights ago,

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Speaker 2: I sat and watched the Dolphins play. I played South Sydney,

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Speaker 2: South Cydney Rabbits, Glory, Glory. Isaiah Katoa is that young bloke,

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Speaker 2: that playmaker? He is something really really special. Dolphins, he's

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Speaker 2: extended recently. They just lock him down, lock him down

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Speaker 2: for a long long time. I'll see you right now.

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Speaker 1: Somebody who played well?

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Speaker 3: Who people?

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Speaker 1: Probably? I mean, he gets a bad rap to be

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Speaker 1: the pang guy.

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Speaker 2: Best I've seen him movie coups.

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Speaker 1: And I know it's you know, he's been under criticism

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Speaker 1: the talent that he's got in, is Wayne Banner?

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Speaker 2: Well what does South need? One of the things South need,

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Speaker 2: they need big explosive forwards. Right, Where's Wayne going next year?

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Speaker 2: He's going to South South. So if he continues to

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Speaker 2: That's my you know, coops, it's the best I've seen

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Speaker 2: get fitter, but he looked fit. And think about it

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Speaker 2: is coops like footballers, you know, talking to them, you

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Speaker 2: think about one or two kulos and you go, oh,

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Speaker 2: that's nothing. But I want you to put this into context.

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Speaker 2: So you're talking about it like a one ton animal.

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Speaker 1: It's a good point. Yeah I didn't really yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry, it's a wonderful not taken away from the

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Speaker 2: make Katoa and a tray Fuller especially. We had Justin

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Speaker 2: I cannot believe there's still imbeciles out there that are

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Speaker 1: Rock Ampton boy cho Fuller.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he grew up with Harry Grant, played footy with

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Speaker 1: whatever it was, when we come against Trey Fuller, Harry

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Speaker 1: Harry used to say all the time to different like people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Harry is a pure footballer, grew up that

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Speaker 2: so anyway, mate, talking about great footballers, I think I can.

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Speaker 1: Hear turn before we can, I give a shadowt quickly

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Speaker 2: Pass from doing a little bit of something.

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Speaker 1: This, Okay, I'm passing him over the picture of Jake

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Speaker 1: Travoyevitch for those who aren't listening, And now I'll just pray.

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Speaker 2: I'll just pray, you know, I'm just praying for.

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Speaker 1: The people who are listening.

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Speaker 2: In the car.

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Speaker 1: He's holding up a picture of Jake Tivoyvitch and he's

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Speaker 1: doing an impersonation of it.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I forgot that it was a it was an

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Speaker 2: audio medium. Anyway, His bro is in the building. Here is.

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Speaker 1: Special guest Thomas Turbo Charovitch. How are you mate?

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Speaker 3: Good coeps, give me some skin, give me.

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Speaker 1: Some good to see you mate. How's how's manly going traveling?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Good good? We had a good good win. Last

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Speaker 3: week was a tough one up there between golden points.

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Speaker 3: Always nice, so kind of just in that cluster of

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Speaker 1: Them, mate. Before we get into your the nuances of

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Speaker 1: you've played with them self included. Matthew just said off

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Speaker 3: How was it was different? I hadn't paid there for

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Speaker 1: Decisions, like you've got to make a lot of people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we talk about family, Tommy. I can only imagine

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Speaker 2: the excitement when it was announced that Jake was new

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Speaker 2: So I as captain, I can only imagine your mum

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Big John almost cried. It was it was pretty

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Speaker 1: That, particularly when you're not even of the club side.

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Speaker 3: But I think it's been really good for him.

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Speaker 1: How was it for you and him? Because you guys

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Speaker 3: Oh, he did feel a little bit bad, But that's Jake,

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Speaker 2: Too, obvious choice, Yeah, obvious choice. There's another bloke, Like,

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Speaker 3: Favorite? Would? I'm gonna say me because I'm easy, very

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you nearly, you nearly hit all boxes.

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Speaker 1: But I love that stitch up where you Benny hit

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Speaker 2: I'm not on social media. I miss all this it is.

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Speaker 2: It was like it was like a swamp.

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Speaker 2: Is it's all time, you know, I'd see some tom

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Speaker 3: They've always been like that and like they like to

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Speaker 3: And you know growing up that foota club did a

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Speaker 2: Well, I took a six seven years ago. I went

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Speaker 3: Are highest paid ground announceer.

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Speaker 2: Grand Golvin was shitting himself, late Grand Golvin on Manly.

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Speaker 1: Were you and all the boys you and all your

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Speaker 3: We weren't believe it or not? Well?

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Speaker 3: They were. They were like when I started going to

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Speaker 2: I wanted to be your dad for one second, and

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Speaker 2: Blake told me this story. It's a great story because

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Speaker 2: Your dad was a very very good player playing for

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Speaker 3: I haven't heard that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, A couple of blokes and I asked one

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, he's a he's a great great Tom.

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Speaker 1: Go home and ask.

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Speaker 3: You how dare I've never played a shit game.

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Speaker 1: You spoke about You spoke about Love of the Nights

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Speaker 1: on this, Moll. But a lot of similarities between you

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Speaker 1: for like five hundred meters. Did that? Did that pressure

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say it did. No, Like I always just

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Speaker 3: it wasn't wasn't hard. It was just you know, you're

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Speaker 2: That's a great, great attitude because a lot of people

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Speaker 2: What did you what did your care on the HSC.

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Speaker 3: It's ninety four A mass nerd weird. Yeah, you're good.

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Speaker 1: With numbers, good numbers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was the thing, Matt, you're good mates.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I loved it.

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Speaker 2: So were you when you're doing HSC were you still

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Speaker 3: I think I think it does. Yeah, it's not obviously

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Speaker 2: and that can be really difficult when you're on the run.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you kind of like I like to work off

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Speaker 3: four in so you kind of use them as your

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00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,760
Speaker 3: markers to what you need. Obviously it's not always like that,

437
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,879
Speaker 3: but that definitely helps you. But it is just cut instinct. Yeah,

438
00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:57,919
Speaker 3: Like they can say, oh, you need five from here

439
00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,919
Speaker 3: or six a year, but you've got to feel it sometime.

440
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,879
Speaker 3: If you've got two of their you know, half on

441
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,280
Speaker 3: one side of the field, you to give me an

442
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:04,800
Speaker 3: extra number.

443
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,560
Speaker 2: So a lot of time, as you said, it's just

444
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,240
Speaker 2: looking at that third defender from the edge and just saying,

445
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:10,159
Speaker 2: can I get to him?

446
00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:10,400
Speaker 3: Yeah?

447
00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 2: Isn't that It's as simple as that. Forget what's in there?

448
00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,920
Speaker 2: If I can get to him, something's going to happen.

449
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,679
Speaker 2: Just back on school. What was your ambition coming through school?

450
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 2: What did you want to be apart from football?

451
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 3: Tommy, I didn't really know, Like I love numbers and

452
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 3: so I did go into studying finance afterwards. So that's

453
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 3: because I just love masters and I thought it would

454
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:32,360
Speaker 3: be the natural progression.

455
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:33,440
Speaker 2: But I love money as well.

456
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,639
Speaker 3: Takes one to know one there, takes one to know

457
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:39,120
Speaker 3: one there.

458
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 2: He's good money hacking like a far quick.

459
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. But Mum just saw like she was all about,

460
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 3: you know, just working hard at school and doing your best.

461
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 3: And you know, I probably took a bit too far,

462
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,640
Speaker 3: worked a bit too hard, but because you look back

463
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 3: on it now and think, you know, what does ninety

464
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,479
Speaker 3: four really mean? But you do nothing with it. But

465
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 3: it's just what she instilled in Well.

466
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 2: Well, tom you know, however, you'll play for another eight, nine,

467
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 2: ten years. Have you got anything worked out now what

468
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 2: you want to go into post football.

469
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 3: I'll do a bit of stuff with an equipment finance firm, yep.

470
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 3: So they're good. Just part time again and I've got

471
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,120
Speaker 3: a bit of time off. I go on there and

472
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 3: meet clients and whatnot. But you know, not you don't

473
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 3: have a real clear picture of what you'll do. Hopefully

474
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 3: you play for a bit longer and see what happens.

475
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,120
Speaker 1: I will. I will say, just going back on Dad

476
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 1: saying you love money, because I don't want you to

477
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,639
Speaker 1: be put in the same category as one of the

478
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 1: type the type man over here.

479
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 2: This is the rumor that gas around. It all gets

480
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 2: around that on this tight hoss. Hey, listen, just because

481
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 2: I look at a bank right out all these tellers

482
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 2: and there's a Commece bank teller and it's two dollars

483
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 2: fifty to get some money out just because a walker

484
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 2: kilometer to the am Z bank. Just because I'm frugal,

485
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 2: I'm not tight. I'm just saying I find it unnecessary

486
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 2: to give the banks any more money they were to gain.

487
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,439
Speaker 1: Okay, I was more referring to the time that you

488
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 1: snuck many bottles of vodka into the Cholero Beach Club

489
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:05,959
Speaker 1: because you didn't want to pay an extra five dollars

490
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 1: for a vod Ca soda. That's what I mean by tight,

491
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 1: yea turbo.

492
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 2: I don't do I don't do that anymore.

493
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 1: No, you would never because the Pokey's moved upstairs down

494
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:20,719
Speaker 1: there now, but wish they have. Don't play Pokey establishment,

495
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 1: Oh wonderful, it is good fun. But Turbo so Turbo.

496
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 1: When I was at melt before we started playing together,

497
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 1: Turbo became synonymous at the Storm because we seen him

498
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 1: over in Bali. He was over there when we were

499
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 1: doing like a mad Monday over there, and Turbo, being

500
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,199
Speaker 1: the good bloke he did, he come over and bought

501
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 1: like thirty drinks for all of us on.

502
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 3: This huge trick in Bali.

503
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 2: Yeah he was, he was smart.

504
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: But ever since then everyone thought at Melbourne thought it

505
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: was like the greatest thing ever and that became synonymous

506
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 1: with Turbo rounds. So whenever anybody, whenever we'd go out

507
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 1: a chance would go out for a Turbo round and

508
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: whoever was in the top three paid in the playing

509
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 1: would each every single time have to come back with

510
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,439
Speaker 1: a round of thirty every single time. And Turbo, I

511
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 1: will say, anytime there is a drink, you are you

512
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 1: are great for putting rounds in people's hands.

513
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 3: Oh, I'll do it best.

514
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: You do, all the boys say you and Jakie especially,

515
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: There has been nights out where I haven't even put

516
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 1: my hand in the pocket.

517
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have asked you too, you just don't want it.

518
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 2: Oh really, chip off the old block.

519
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 3: Oh look Dad, that was a bit like that. Used

520
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 3: to give a lot. So you know we're lucky. We

521
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 3: get paid well to play foot you, so yeah, give

522
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 3: a bit back to the boys.

523
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 2: So it doesn't doesn't hurt even if you only played

524
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 2: two or three games. Now you played for the Sydney Spots.

525
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 2: Was the young blad?

526
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I played up to played until I was about fifteen.

527
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 3: Then have to make the decisions. So Dad loved AFL.

528
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 3: He still probably likes it better than the league, but

529
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 3: what's the league a lot more now because of us?

530
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,479
Speaker 3: But he loved it. So I got into it when

531
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 3: I was about eleven twelve years old, played for.

532
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 1: Four years at a Swan's academy or saying was that.

533
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 3: They had an academy. So yeah, you'd go down a

534
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 3: couple of nights a week and just trained with some

535
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 3: of the development guys.

536
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 2: How'd you find it, Tom?

537
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: It's good game, good fun. Yeah. I was never as

538
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 3: good as it was what everyone ploably makes out to be,

539
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 3: but I did really enjoy it.

540
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: Did they offer you a contract?

541
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 3: No? It was kind of like got to the year

542
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 3: when I started playing hard match and I let him

543
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 3: know that. Yeah, I didn't want to pursue a fail anymore.

544
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: Because there's been a little bit of talk that, you know,

545
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 2: when you played first grade and started to have an impact,

546
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: that they were interested in having another game.

547
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 3: No, unless people are keeping things for me.

548
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, right, Well you can't kick, you can. I've

549
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: seen him trying to kick before. He couldn't kick it.

550
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,959
Speaker 3: Back in the day. Believed on that really Yeah.

551
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: Yeah right, because I've seen you try to kick your

552
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: training last year and was, well, you can do much.

553
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 2: I was going to say glasshouses ship.

554
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking about other sports,

555
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 1: because you're you are a good cricketer too, and golfer

556
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: like you've got to go to swing. So it comes.

557
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 3: We played played cricket, bit of basketball, but we'll play

558
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 3: golf now obviously.

559
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: Because you play cricket like every boxing day. You and

560
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: all the boys still like all your brothers and that Australia.

561
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 3: That's like manly stink. Yeah.

562
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

563
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 3: When I first come and come there, first turn, and

564
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 3: it was twenty fifteen, we had this croocket day and

565
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 3: me being just a fresh eighting year old, you know,

566
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 3: never drunk. I was eighteen, goody two shoes and come

567
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 3: to this cricket day and I got a rude shock,

568
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 3: a very rude shock.

569
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 2: But it was a lot of fun.

570
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: Some of the players in that team too, would have

571
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: absolutely have obliterated you alcohol, Like who would have been there?

572
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 3: Then?

573
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: Snake would have still been there, both of your brothers, No,

574
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: just brat. Who else was there?

575
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 3: Like Killer?

576
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Maddy ballin Chock Chock was not there, Thank god.

577
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: Fozz and chairs would have been.

578
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 3: That fo chairs were Yeah, good fun, but good day, Tom.

579
00:25:55,560 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 2: Just just on you see Killer, just Jamie lyon story,

580
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 2: just completely out of context. Was he one of the

581
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 2: most natural footballers you ever played with?

582
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 3: I would have to be. If you saw him in

583
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 3: the gym, you know, in the showers with your shirt off,

584
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 3: you had looked at him and said he does not

585
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 3: belong on a footy field. But yeah, he was unbelievable.

586
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: I heard James Green talking about him, so he like

587
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 2: he had a big impact out here with paramatter and

588
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 2: just sort of fell fell out of love with the game.

589
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 2: Went to Wi War, was playing local football in Wi

590
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 2: War and just pig shooting and then Saint Helen, Saint

591
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 2: Helen's reached out someone tipped to st Helen's off and

592
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: said there's his player, you know Australia blah blah blah.

593
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: So they went, okay, well we'll bring him over. James

594
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: Green said when he arrived, everyone went this his joke

595
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: and then they were doing fitness. He said he was

596
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: that overweight and he's doing fitness. He was coming last

597
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: and they made the club. We're stressing going we've been

598
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 2: sold to dud And then from the moment he started playing,

599
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: he become one of their greatest players.

600
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 1: It's funny, isn't funny? RABA League, Like some of the

601
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: some of the best players are some of the most

602
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: unathletic people you've ever You've ever.

603
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: Laid Timana Tahu Timana. When you saw him just run

604
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 2: you do sprints without the ball in his hands. He

605
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 2: ran with his gait and limp like he looked lame,

606
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: but the moment the ball hit his hands, everything was

607
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 2: just aligned and just perfect.

608
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

609
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: Camra Smith was the same, like like not not shit

610
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: at fitness, but just so so average in every department

611
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: and then just we'll get on the field and it

612
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: was just it was just an all like it was

613
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: just a chess match for him. Everything was just so easy.

614
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: But Joey is a bit the same. Joey had fitness wise,

615
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: he was really good. Like he used to carry a

616
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 2: bit of timber, particularly when mate sometimes he go on benders.

617
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: He turned up on so I got sorry guys, we

618
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: would have to cut that out as a revelation. He

619
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 2: going venders and like during the off season and turn

620
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: up on Saturday morning training and like win it and

621
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: like he's probably carrying he's carrying weight. He's not partic fast,

622
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: but he just had a good engine.

623
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: What about your you mainly under twenties SG ball run

624
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: us through some of the players that you started playing

625
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: with there. When did you sign your first contract for mainly.

626
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 3: Would have been first year of ST ball.

627
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: Who did you come through with it? Because you had

628
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: a lot of good juniors with you.

629
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 3: Our twenty team made the final. We had Liam Knight,

630
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 3: Jesse Raimi and Nico. Who else isn't it Jeez would

631
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 3: have Bud didn't play in that was playing with his brother.

632
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: Remember James, Yeah, James good player. Yeah, he just came

633
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 3: out of seen him play in rugby union like on

634
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 3: the weekend.

635
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: He came out of retirement.

636
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: He was very good player.

637
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: Who else looked like he swallowed Brad.

638
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's him.

639
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: We had to good sign Nico because it's funny a

640
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: sliding doors like you and Nikko. You obviously debuted quite

641
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: like early after that under twenties year. Nico obviously took

642
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: a lot longer. What are sliding doors like you in

643
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about dallim year a bit after,

644
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: but you win the daim twenty twenty one year after

645
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: Nico wins at twenty twenty two.

646
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like he's got a really good story, Nico.

647
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: And you know it did take him a while to

648
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 3: get there, but you know he's really taken it by

649
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: storm and it's a credit Toorm. He's worked really hard

650
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: and you know it was always someone it did work hard,

651
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 3: but you know it just took it took long for

652
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 3: him to get there.

653
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: It was funny. I always heard his name, Nico hes

654
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: because it's a name you do you remember? But I

655
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: never saw him play, but I keep here and Nicko heines,

656
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: Nico heins, and I remember when I interviewed him, like

657
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: he said, what happened to manly? Completely blindsided him? He

658
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: was playing really good. He went up and played a

659
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: new South Wales Cap game. Played really good there and

660
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: suddenly it just went bang your cut and he said,

661
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: knocked him around for a couple of years.

662
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had like a I saw what you would

663
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 3: have been exactly. But we had a big change over

664
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 3: like twos with coach and then bas come in and

665
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 3: we got a whole new staff and you know, it

666
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: was a big, big change for a lot of people.

667
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: So you got, you know, slown out the back door

668
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 3: at the back of that, which is hard as a

669
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: young kid, you I don't really experience that too often.

670
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: So I saw Tom just about might have mean close

671
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: to your first game in NYC under twenties. I think

672
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: I think is we're playing Penrith at at four pints

673
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: by level and they were struggling, and mate, you came

674
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: on and you were literally taken two or three in

675
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: a set of six and you pinched the result. I'm

676
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: just having to look here. Like your your elevation, it

677
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: was rapid. I mean twenty fourteen you've sort of broken

678
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: into twenties. Twenty fifteen's you saw the season. But by

679
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: round five twenty fifteen you make your in NRL deboo

680
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: against Canberra. By the way, two tries on de What

681
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 2: do you remember of it?

682
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's cool. Like I remember walking the tubes of

683
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 3: office when he told me I was debull and you

684
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 3: know you kind of I walked out of there and

685
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 3: was like shit, because you go up what's an NRL players? Like,

686
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 3: even training with them, you still feel like you don't

687
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: belong in that environment. And then to be told you

688
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 3: going to be playing, I was. I was shipping myself

689
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 3: all week. But yeah, we made the tip abut to

690
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 3: first games in Aubury Lovington sports Ground. So we placed

691
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 3: the day Bob All family were out there and I

692
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,239
Speaker 3: still getting the bussy and I'm there going belong here

693
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 3: and it's not to you. You know, you get in

694
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 3: the field and you get out there and you just

695
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 3: love it.

696
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: Because you're on You're on the wig in that game

697
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: as well.

698
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 2: Who are you? Who was?

699
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: Who was some of the players, Like we intimidated by

700
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: the players in that Raiders side being a younger.

701
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, they had they had a good like I remember,

702
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 3: like you look at the middle was like Dane Tillis

703
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 3: and all that. Just big bodies. Yeah, and I was

704
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 3: a ninety five kilo scorning wringer just from the normOn

705
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 3: Beaches doing his best.

706
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: You know, Terry Campeazz was playing, campe would have been out.

707
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: There politician Camp. He pulled out of the race Mate.

708
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: One of my first games, we played Camera in Canberra

709
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: and ran on the field and I looked out of

710
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: the other side and there was Lorry Daily, Ricky Stewart,

711
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: Malman Ninger, Ribbon Wiki, Steve Walders and just went, what

712
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: the fuck am I doing? I wanted, I wanted to

713
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: be anywhere else. Yeah, twenty sixteen, you're in the extended

714
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: Origin squad. Twenty seventeen you're a pick for Australia and

715
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: the World Cap. That that sort of rise. Looking at

716
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: that on paper it looks rapid. Did it feel as

717
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: lightning fast to year?

718
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? And honestly did. And I remember, you know, I

719
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 3: didn't play Origin to twenty eighteen, but being in that

720
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 3: World Cup squad, and you know some of the players

721
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: that were there, like you know, Billy Slade at Camp

722
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 3: Smith that the best of ever played the game.

723
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: And how nerves you feel going into camp.

724
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: Oh god, oh it's just yes, yes, sir, what do

725
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: you want me to do this?

726
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 4: That?

727
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: And it's just yeah, you just didn't feel.

728
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: Like how much did you play in that? In that

729
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: World Cup?

730
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 3: Played two games, so they we played England, you played

731
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 3: three knockout games. Were not knockout games, so round robin

732
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 3: games and so we played England first and then we

733
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: played friends in Lebanon and I played in those two games.

734
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: Right, that was was that the year because I went

735
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: down to Melbourne that that preceed was that the year

736
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: Money got monster and Benny Hunt had their little their.

737
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: Little yeah rugby league. There's so many incidents every week

738
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: that you forget some of those, oh mate.

739
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: So I was when I was reading, I was going,

740
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: I think that was the year that Money come back

741
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: and he was looked huge from things, and that was

742
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: remember that Melbourne with that off and we go, what

743
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: do you Melbourne? Money back then had that tendency after

744
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: a few beers he would just get he would get

745
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: so lippy and aggressive. I remember me and him were

746
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: in a cab one night with two we coming Cometha

747
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: and he offered me out to like a wrestle in

748
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: front of the cab and we were we were fighting

749
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: for double underhooks and wrestling on the bonnot of his

750
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: cab for like twenty five minutes. It was he flogged

751
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: me in the end because.

752
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 2: He's a strong dude, but he had that hunger and

753
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: him who was your roomy got your own room? Oh wow. Yeah.

754
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: It's a lot of fun though, being being an EMUs

755
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: a requirement too. Yeah, that is lower than you probably

756
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: should we had.

757
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: We had when we went ninety five. We had to

758
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: have roomies all the time. It was hilarius. You're standing there,

759
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 2: it's like being billied and they go okay, and John's

760
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: and Jason Smith, and I was like, oh, yeah, that'd

761
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: be good. Jason Smith. He's a man. A few words,

762
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: Jason Smith. But he walked astraight. We walked into the

763
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: hotel Holiday and at Leeds he just grabbed a chair.

764
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: I think, what's he doing? Grabbed a chair, got up,

765
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: disengage the smoke alarm and just laid on the bed

766
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: and just smoke basically for six weeks.

767
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: Oh god, that's dreadful.

768
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: A that'd be sat. You're just stinking of second hand

769
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: smoke in that room.

770
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 2: I've made. It was hard. Twenty eighteen you make your

771
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: Origin day, berll you win the series. You scored two tries.

772
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 2: How different did you find Origin club football and even

773
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: international football?

774
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 3: Yeah? It's just it's just a different arena, isn't it,

775
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 3: Like you just take everyone just takes their place themselves

776
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 3: a different place when you when you're playing Origin, you know,

777
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 3: the crowd and everything about it. It's just it's it's

778
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 3: so much fun.

779
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: Had you who was who took you under that because

780
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: they had a lot of good leaders in I think

781
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 1: Jimmy Maloney and some of.

782
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 3: Those guys were playing Corner was unreal.

783
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: He was the leader.

784
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 3: Oh, someone you just look up to and just how

785
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: hard he went and everything he did, you know, training

786
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 3: and game like it's crazy.

787
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: I've heard some some like sickening stories of Boido when

788
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: he was when he was young, like seventeen coming up

789
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: and they get him to play like train help for

790
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: the first graders, prepare for the thing. And I think

791
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: Chandorel was there at the time and he said he's

792
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: never seen anyone like a young guy train like it,

793
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: like just would so physical and every rep, Like there's

794
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: blokes like that at every club, but some people are

795
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: just tapped in the head where every rep has to

796
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: be one hundred.

797
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 3: Miles and he's like that it's just so tough too.

798
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 2: He was trained with the first grade squad. Hear sixteen

799
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 2: when I helped watch him train one day and I

800
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: look at this young bloke. Who's this guy? And they said, oh, mate,

801
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 2: he's a young bloke from Tari who was at the

802
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 2: Newcastle Knights and got pinched. He was only sixteen, had

803
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 2: a lot of injuries, didn't he was young when he

804
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: goes mate that twenty nineteen series. Honestly, like when I

805
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 2: think of that series time, I think about you and

806
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: Latrell and the Sanders, and it was a bit like

807
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: the other night when I looked at Latrell and Stephen Crichton.

808
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: There's certain combinations letting you go, we're not going to

809
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: get beat. I remember twenty nineteen where there was you

810
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 2: and Latrell. I said, there is no way that you

811
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: guys are going to get beat. Did you like The

812
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: thing I loved about that was you and Latrell linking

813
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: and playing together. That must have been that must have

814
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: been a lot of fun to me.

815
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 3: Was that you're talking about the twenty twenty one.

816
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: I wasn't twenty twenty one?

817
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was yeah, obviously that's when I was playing

818
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 3: something the best foota, So I was very confident I

819
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 3: had had good freedom to run in the field and

820
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 3: whatnot and paid my strength and it was good. Like

821
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 3: the first game up there in Townsville was you know,

822
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 3: one that that I always remember and just in the

823
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 3: way we won it.

824
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: Was what was that the because that was very at

825
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: that time, Like now you just see Senner's roaming a

826
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: lot more with players like Jobey Mahno and stuff at

827
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: club level. But then Senna's were very much stuck on

828
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: their side, like they don't leave your side. What was that?

829
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: Who's like what were the conversations in it origin where

830
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: they kind of said to you and latrell you guys,

831
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: just go where you want an attack?

832
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 3: It was it come from Freddy's He's very like that.

833
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 3: He doesn't want you to be bogged down and I

834
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 3: guess sit on one side. So he was just like,

835
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 3: play footy to do what you see, and yeah, just

836
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 3: it's a lot of fun at work for us. Obviously,

837
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: got a lot of good field position and we're playing

838
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 3: in find some pretty good playing. Pine's pretty good forwards,

839
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 3: which made it a lot easier. But yeah, it was

840
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: just we're just playing footy and like, as you know,

841
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: we're both fullbacks, so you kind of understand the game

842
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 3: a bit better, I guess in doing that.

843
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: So there's a period there where the whole back line

844
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: was nearly just fullbacks. In that state, I think it

845
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 1: was that nearly.

846
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: I mean you could pick pretty good NRL side right

847
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: now out of picking just fullbacks. I mean you have

848
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: a look at the backup fullbacks. A lot of clubs. Incredible. Okay,

849
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 2: that's swinging. Do you want a bit of a do

850
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: you want to be the history? Sorry I was talking

851
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: to Trush, but that linking together. So the evolution of

852
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: the game, it used to be that the centers would

853
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 2: swing and play together. Always you would work the ball

854
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 2: to a fast side, the center would swing around and

855
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: they operate in combination. And the other thing that used

856
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: to happen defensive wise, the two edged defenders used to

857
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: be the sixth and the thirteen and so when a ball,

858
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 2: when the ball would move and because the centers would

859
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: switch and link in attack, then the same thing used

860
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 2: to happen in defense. So the time if the ball

861
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: moved over, you're defending, and the ball moved over to

862
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: Stephen Crichton's edge and he goes. If it works past

863
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 2: the scrumbline, you had to go and you yes, it

864
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 2: was and linking and the same thing with the thirteen

865
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 2: and the six. They were called adjustable parts. So if

866
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 2: the ball went past, you know, the far post, and

867
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: you looked up as a six and you see him

868
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: starting to stack the other side, then you went across

869
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: as and adjust.

870
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: It's almost like it's a bit like that af AFL

871
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: where they tagged, like you almost have someone tagged you

872
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: just put your man.

873
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: But it was, it was, it was complex, it was

874
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: quite cerebral. You're you're there watching going yeah, you had Yeah,

875
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 2: the wingers were nailed down. They they stayed. They stayed

876
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 2: on the side thirteen six on the thirteen and six

877
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 2: were on the that went on the defensive edge to

878
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: be winger center six and on the other side to

879
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: be winger center thirteen.

880
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 3: Half back swing around, yeah, yeah, and.

881
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: They would and the halfback would oftentimes sit, which I

882
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: think would work very good. Now, what he would sit,

883
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: he would sit the thing we did the Knights called

884
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 2: the safety where he would sit directly behind the markers

885
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: but one meter behind the line. And what he would

886
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 2: do he'd just tightened the ruck or if someone did

887
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: a hit up and he sees starting to penetrate through

888
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: the line, he'd jump and go third men in and

889
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 2: force him back. So there's you know what I mean,

890
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: there's some of that stuff that would be still relevant now.

891
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: Well that's basically what you do as a fullback now

892
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: in terms of rather than having the half back there,

893
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: the fullback sort of plugs into the line.

894
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 3: Yea. The fullbacks a lot. That changed a lot over

895
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 3: the years.

896
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: You twenty twenty one season where we just spoke a

897
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: little bit on the origin there, but probably the in

898
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: my opinion, it's probably you're a humble guy. You wouldn't

899
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: want to say this, but it is probably the best

900
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 1: individual season of any player to ever play the game

901
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: of Raby League. Matthew, would you agree?

902
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: I would agree. There's been some people that have had

903
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: flashes for about six to eight weeks, but that's the

904
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: stained run.

905
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like Ben Barber had a great year. I think

906
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: it was twenty eleven. There's been a lot of great seasons,

907
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: but that was unlike anything was the preparation for that year?

908
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: Was what was that like for it?

909
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 4: Like?

910
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: What was there was there something brewing in you that

911
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: you were like, fuck, I'm going to have a good

912
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: year this year.

913
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 3: No. Well, it's funny like if I look for go

914
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 3: back there, like the previous two years, the previous two

915
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: years I hadn't been good for me with injury and whatnot.

916
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 3: And then you know, starting pre season and then I

917
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 3: ended up hurt myself when I was out and you know,

918
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 3: I was going to miss the first month of footy,

919
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 3: and like kind of had to look at myself down

920
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 3: and just thought that, like, I've got to change a

921
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 3: few things in my career if I want to get

922
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 3: on the right path. And so, you know, I just

923
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 3: made a few decisions on the back of that focus

924
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 3: more on footy and you know, make decisions that were

925
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 3: the best for my footy. And then you know, coming

926
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 3: back and just kind of hit the ground running and

927
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 3: didn't stop haply.

928
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 2: You missed the first five games, mainly by the way

929
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: they lose for the first five games as a result,

930
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: So you missed the first five games. And this is

931
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: a daly M season where it's three to two one,

932
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 2: it's not double points. You don't you can't accumulate six

933
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: points in a game, and you win the Dali M

934
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 2: comfortably if it had been if it had been six

935
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: point era, Like seriously, you would have won by winks

936
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 2: l halfway to the moon. Like you score in a

937
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 2: year five or six hat tricks including a state of origin.

938
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: In a state of origin match a club level, you

939
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: scored twenty eight tries in eighteen games, beating Blakie's record.

940
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: I think Blake Phil Blake in his second year in

941
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 2: first grade scored twenty seven and mainly get to a

942
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: grand final qualifier state of origin Man of the series.

943
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hollis medal. Was that?

944
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: Sorry, it's just swallowing a cough. That just sort of

945
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: leaned up to me there. I wanted to ask you

946
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: the because that was probably you had a lot of

947
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: big years that but that was probably when Turbo, like

948
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: the persona of Turbo Tommy came to its full elevation.

949
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: What was that like going out after that season on

950
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: the Pierce Sword even walking the streets.

951
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 2: How we're doing sprint races down the.

952
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: Yeah? Sorry, that was that was at the start of

953
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 3: that year.

954
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: So the Corso race. Those people that don't know that

955
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: there was a video of you that emerged running down

956
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: the Corso. A lot of people also don't know the

957
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: Blake who was with you there, who was adjudicating the.

958
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 2: Race, was actually me kid, you not you know Tom?

959
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: When that came out like that all came out. I

960
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: remember they're saying your race gone, Harry. I was just thinking,

961
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, please tell me Cooper wasn't there. I've just

962
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: got a gut phel he was.

963
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

964
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: It was in the It was in the Yeah. It

965
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 1: was early January or something, wasn't it just before the season?

966
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 3: Birthday?

967
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 1: That's what it was, Brad Parker's birthday. And everybody had

968
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: mid first, everybody had left and it was just me

969
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: and Turbot left were walking to the stage left always yeah,

970
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: and someone someone offered him out, let's have a race,

971
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: roto you've just taken up and the fella he had

972
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: some wheels. He was an extremely fast player. I don't

973
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: know what he's I think that ended up being Ryan Papenhausen.

974
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: How was it, Tom, Because I mean, after a certain

975
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: period of time to get used to it, but that

976
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: explosion in fame and that's what it was was that.

977
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: Did you find it awkward? Was it a little a

978
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: little difficulty attention a.

979
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 3: Little bit, especially when you you know, you've just been

980
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 3: from this area, like you're not really used to it,

981
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 3: So it was a little bit, but it's something you

982
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 3: get used to. It comes with the game, unfortunately, and

983
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 3: you'd other people talking about you than not.

984
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: I guess, well, well, Tom, what's pretty amazing. Now. I

985
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 2: just wonder I wonder what the reaction of the other

986
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: players were because it was boys. Was that during the

987
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 2: COVID bubble?

988
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we were up at for most of the year,

989
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 3: up at Sunny Coast.

990
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: So how so you up in that camp and that bubble.

991
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: I can only imagine you'd have been big men on campus.

992
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: How did the other players like? Boys?

993
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 3: You?

994
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: Boys? Mate? How did the other players respond to you? Oh?

995
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 3: Look, I don't think it's I'm not walking around there

996
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 3: like on the cock of the walk.

997
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: But you yeah, yeah.

998
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 3: You probably are. But anyway, it was just, you know it.

999
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 3: I'm very down to earth, I'm easy going.

1000
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, well I'll ask you boys, right when you

1001
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: blokes played against Manly and you played against Tom, what

1002
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: was the game plan? Jack? Yeah, speak up.

1003
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jack talking the mic here, come in, come in.

1004
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: It's the first time he's done this.

1005
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1006
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 4: It was getting turbos by great Games.

1007
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 3: And then Cooper came to us and was getting Cooper's.

1008
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: Way for the preseason.

1009
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 4: I will say though during during the cod because I

1010
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 4: was in that sunny coast with Tom, it wasn't Tom

1011
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 4: so much they had the presence.

1012
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: It was probably more dead. Dares had like a fair presence.

1013
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: Like all the.

1014
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 4: Coaches sort of got along really well, and you know,

1015
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 4: they'd go for dinner and that Dares had like a

1016
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 4: storming presence when he'd like walk down the pathway they're

1017
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 4: at Twin Waters. It was scared the absolute.

1018
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 3: It was actually funny like. So there was obviously a

1019
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 3: good group of boys that weren't playing would have to

1020
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: train every game day. They would do a session and

1021
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 3: it was a tough session, but they like some brother

1022
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 3: was in this group people. He was just like the

1023
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 3: whole time, we just don't want Das to come out there,

1024
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 3: because as soon as DEAs comes out, the session just

1025
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 3: gets ridiculously hard, so he reckons. They'll do warm up,

1026
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: they'd be looking around and looking around and he's not there.

1027
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 3: How good's this coming? An easy session? Then I'd get

1028
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 3: on the line to start fitness and you'd see him

1029
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 3: emerge from over the hill and just stand there and

1030
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 3: just start abusing them all for an hour and he

1031
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 3: reckons it was so hard you just hate it.

1032
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 2: I was telling Dez's wife Chris when well Jack said,

1033
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 2: they just live across the road. I said, I saw

1034
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 2: the strangest thing once when Des was in his last

1035
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: year playing for West. I said, there was a thing

1036
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: on out of Western Sydney which all the clubs had

1037
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 2: to go to or had to send some representatives. And

1038
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: myself and one of the players we're driving down the

1039
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: Great Western Highway and there's a bit of a bit

1040
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 2: of a traffic jam. Anyway, This fellow player was Robbie Ross.

1041
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 2: I think, goes, who the fuck is that DEA's and

1042
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 2: I look on the side of the road, along the

1043
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: side of the highway on this sort of on this

1044
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 2: grass area he's got He's still imply metrics over hurdles, right,

1045
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 2: And I told Chris that story. His wife She goes, oh, man,

1046
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 2: he used to it all the time. She goes, I remember,

1047
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 2: We're going like Sunday drives with the family and he

1048
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: just go I'm just going to pull in here for

1049
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 2: a second, he said, And she said, me and the

1050
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 2: kids would sit in the car while Des did four

1051
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: hundred after four hundred until he spewed. Then he get

1052
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 2: back on back in the car and we drive home.

1053
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 3: Oh, he's downfall the plime mat. He ruined his hips.

1054
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 3: I remember him come back pre season one year and

1055
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 3: he had to get a hip replacement, but he didn't

1056
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 3: want to miss too much training. So about a week

1057
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 3: after he's got the hit replacement, he's already back in

1058
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 3: there hobbling around trying to walk, and by the end

1059
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 3: of it, his other hit was gone, so he had

1060
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 3: to get another hit replacement. Well, mate, hilarious.

1061
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: You look at what he's done with the Gold Coast Titans.

1062
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 2: There was toothing problems to start with, given the fact

1063
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: that it was oil and water. How he wanted him

1064
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: to play and I reckon they weren't used to that

1065
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: type of intensity, but they're looking like side now.

1066
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: You've had a fair few coaches where how like how

1067
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 1: big was des in your career?

1068
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 3: Oh? It was massive. He's the way you codees like

1069
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 3: being someone thought before, very like miracle, very detailed like that,

1070
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 3: and having someone like Daz was awesome because he was

1071
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,959
Speaker 3: very detailed and you know, he didn't miss a beat

1072
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 3: and he was massive for me.

1073
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: Before you move on, going back on that year for Turbo, Yeah, yeah,

1074
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: asked Jack Jack was that you guys were all in

1075
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: the same the same hotel doing the bubble. We were

1076
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: up at another joint. But I will say that year,

1077
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: I remember we played you guys in the back end

1078
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: of the year at Sunshine Coast Stadium, and I have

1079
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: I actually remember bally Ache saying leading into the game,

1080
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: because they played, they played that. He compared that season

1081
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: to Ben Barba twenty eleven. He said, this video session

1082
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: has one player in it, and one player only. It

1083
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: was an hour and a half video session of only

1084
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: Tom's the way Tom liked to receive the football. He's

1085
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: very detailed what foot he liked to come off all that.

1086
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: It was an hour and a half session of like

1087
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 1: one hundred clips of turbo from earlier in the year.

1088
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: And I've just never seen again a defensive game plan

1089
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: so planned around one bloke in my life, I'd imagine,

1090
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: because you would have played against a lot of teams

1091
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 1: that year. When you come up against the good defensive sides,

1092
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: particularly in the back end of the yearn when they

1093
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: start to figure out your attack, how hard was that

1094
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: for you when you're you're the main attacking.

1095
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was hard. And I do remember that game

1096
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 3: it beat us quite convincently. But yeah, it was just

1097
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 3: when you were gettingname dropped and all that, it makes

1098
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 3: makes playing it a lot more difficult because you want

1099
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 3: you want time and space with the ball, So it's

1100
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 3: just something you've got to navigator to full back off

1101
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 3: and fall back to the best players on the team.

1102
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 3: So they often get a lot of homeworkked.

1103
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: On on them.

1104
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 2: I just said, playmakers sometimes don't be discouraged when they

1105
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: name drop you, because all they're all over they're saying,

1106
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 2: I've got Tom, I've got Tom. Well they're actually really

1107
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 2: saying it the other way. Please Tom, don't run out.

1108
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 2: You can see the whites of their eye.

1109
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 3: That's what I was doing it center last week. I've

1110
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 3: got everyone. Don't come here.

1111
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 2: Tommy watching you sometimes and you said, you get that

1112
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 2: guard field and you just call the ball at first three,

1113
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 2: you just go and you just go bang and take

1114
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 2: them on and work off how they react to you

1115
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 2: were There were there some tries like remember the one

1116
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 2: you scored against North Queensland that why don't you scored?

1117
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 2: You jumped up went how did I do that?

1118
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? The North queens That mom was a bit like that. Yeah, yeah,

1119
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 3: there was a few few that year, but it was

1120
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 3: like the game was like that was a year when

1121
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 3: six games just come in and they were having a

1122
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 3: free for all with them, so the game is quick.

1123
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 3: There's a lot of opportunities, which probably inflated some of

1124
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 3: those starts. But there was a few tries out there.

1125
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 2: There's some pretty good ones.

1126
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: Oh mate, you beat everyone twice in that try. Poor

1127
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: Scotty drink water, so you had about five cracks that

1128
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: you continued to miss out.

1129
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 3: It was also the year there was some some games

1130
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 3: you're playing in front of no crowd, so that was

1131
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 3: that was interesting as well.

1132
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that was weird, wasn't it When you

1133
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: can hear the echo of you could hear literally.

1134
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 3: Everyone glorified training session kind of. Yeah, yeah, it was

1135
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 3: so weird.

1136
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 2: Did you ever see the Grand Final in twenty twenty

1137
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 2: or twenty twenty one, the English Super lu Greend Final.

1138
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: It was such a shame that there was no one there.

1139
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 2: It's one of the greatest games that.

1140
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 3: Certainly they kick the field goal, didn't they kick the.

1141
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: Field goal, It hits the post, bounces and Bev and

1142
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: Francis just wait for it, usher it over the dead

1143
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: ballline soil. It goes to Golden Point, Helen's player runs

1144
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 2: through one of his first ever games, puts the ball

1145
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: down and they win, and it was eerie. There is

1146
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: no one in the stadium and I remember there's a pitcher.

1147
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 2: Jimmy Graham had played in about six or seven or

1148
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 2: eight Grand finals, never won one, and his last ever

1149
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 2: game he won and there was him just with no

1150
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 2: one in the crowd, no one in the stadium, just

1151
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 2: by himself in the shadows, like down crying and you go, mate.

1152
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: It was always eerie. It's surreal.

1153
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is.

1154
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: That is weird, particularly at a Grand Final when you

1155
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 1: would thrive so much. Such a motivating factor would be

1156
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: Sam sat, the atmosphere that's there, and like you to

1157
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: get yourself emotional to see someone who had means so

1158
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: much to him and you're playing in front of no one.

1159
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: You're literally just playing. At times it feel like you're

1160
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: only playing for yourself.

1161
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 2: Didn't feel like boys. Did it feel like you're playing

1162
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 2: park football to a certain extent.

1163
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 3: It did, Yeah, I did. I just compared to training,

1164
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 3: like you're just having like a training hit out. It's weird.

1165
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 2: It must have in some ways. It must have helped.

1166
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 2: It makes you just feel relaxed.

1167
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 3: It was a bit and it's quite funny because you'd

1168
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 3: hear a lot of everyone should talk after the game,

1169
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 3: and you'll be able to hear it now because there's

1170
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 3: nothing in the way.

1171
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 2: Tell you what. I certainly hope there's a COVID outreak

1172
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 2: this week so there's no one at sun Called stadium. Yeah, Tom,

1173
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 2: preparation are you how do you prepare for games? Are

1174
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: you superstitious anyway, shape or form?

1175
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 3: I go on waves. If you asked me before I

1176
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 3: help myself this year, I would have said, I'm supstitious,

1177
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 3: but uh, I'm trying to trying to get out of

1178
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 3: a few of them. But I go on waves. But

1179
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 3: I do have superstitions. Yeah, it's fry enough. It's a weird, aren't.

1180
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,919
Speaker 2: They It is weird. It's the most probably the most

1181
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 2: intelligent response I've ever heard was I interviewed Elise Perry here,

1182
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 2: who's the greatest female cricket out of all time, incredibly,

1183
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: and I asked her, I said, he your superstitious? Said

1184
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: I used to be. And then I came to the

1185
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 2: conclusion in my mind, you know, if I'm superstitious about something.

1186
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: I'm telling myself that that performance can't be better. That's

1187
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: as good as I can be, he said. But she said,

1188
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 2: but I don't think that, she she goes, I always

1189
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 2: think I can get better, so I don't worry about superstition.

1190
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 3: Point, that's a good way to put it.

1191
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I suppose you do. You affiliate superstition with

1192
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: not being complacent, but just wanting to get the same

1193
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: result as you did.

1194
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 2: That's as good as I am.

1195
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because you're you in the playing with you

1196
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: last year, you're superstitious in the way that you prepare physically,

1197
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, you're in there, You're you're one of

1198
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: the first dress, you're strapped, and you're you're getting the

1199
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: body so that when you run out there, you're there's

1200
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 1: there's nothing left a chance. You're one hundred percent prepared.

1201
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing. Yeah, Like obviously I've been unlucky

1202
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 3: with a few injuries in the past. I just you know,

1203
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 3: like some kind of made this isn't that you know physically,

1204
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 3: I'm just going to do it I can to get

1205
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 3: myself on the field and limit the chance of injured stuff,

1206
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 3: don't It does happen at least I can be comfortable

1207
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 3: knowing that I didn't miss anything, leave a stone unturned,

1208
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 3: So that helps me, you know, I guess preparing you

1209
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 3: feel bet about yourself.

1210
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 2: I guess, Tom. Do you get nervous like in that

1211
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one season where just for instance, and you're

1212
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: in red hot form, did you get nervous.

1213
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 3: Before getting still? Yeah, yeah, definitely, Yeah, still get nervous

1214
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 3: to this, but I enjoy that. I enjoy that. If

1215
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 3: I was playing a game and it wasn't nervous, I'd

1216
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 3: be worried.

1217
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 2: That's scary.

1218
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 3: I think there's something wrong and I probably shouldn't be doing

1219
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 3: it anymore.

1220
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 2: So yeah, that is a point, and there will come

1221
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 2: that time, you do. You know when it does.

1222
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 3: You get there and everyone everyone's different, Like some people

1223
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 3: don't get nervous. But for me, if I'm not getting

1224
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 3: nervous for a game.

1225
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 2: Tom, the most something terrifying experience I have as a player.

1226
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 2: I was in England playing for a wigand and we

1227
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 2: played Wakefield Trinity at Wakefield. There are about fifteen hundred

1228
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 2: people at the game. It was wet and windy, and

1229
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 2: the lower bottom of the table. I remember standing there

1230
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 2: having my nervous, p as we all do before the game,

1231
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 2: standing there going mate, I'm not one bit nervous. And

1232
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 2: this is terrifying. Yeah, like just no adrenaline going through you.

1233
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 2: Every tackle you made, every time you were tackled, you

1234
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 2: felt everything. It was awful, awful experience.

1235
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this people are going to like shake their

1236
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: head when they hear this coming from me. But because

1237
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: I'm nowhere here on the level of you two. But

1238
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: I even in case, yeah, but the listeners don't make.

1239
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: The case you've never seen again a rugby league.

1240
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: In case this is your first time listening, you may

1241
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: have a daly M. I had a DALYM for the preseason.

1242
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 3: That trophy is still in our trophy comment the preseason

1243
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 3: pre season MVP.

1244
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: I'm surprised they haven't ripped that out.

1245
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,479
Speaker 3: I think they must have lost the key or something.

1246
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: I think they like the silverware, Yeah, I think they

1247
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: like as soon as another trophy comes in and it'll

1248
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: be the first one out. But I used to have

1249
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 1: to something I had to find out and rugby league,

1250
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: as we know now, was never my calling, Like it

1251
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: wasn't something that I was.

1252
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 2: I love what it is.

1253
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: They're still trying to find out. But like I used

1254
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: to have to read. I used to have to write

1255
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: a notebook, and I used to have to read things

1256
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: that would actually get me nervous and emotional to try

1257
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: to provoke adrenaline. Share what that was, I don't, I don't.

1258
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 2: I can't remember what it was.

1259
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: But like I used to always sit in my locker,

1260
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: especially when I was at Manly, because that was kind

1261
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: of when I discovered it, like the back end of

1262
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: my days at Melbourne, and I had to like write

1263
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: and write things down and read certain words that made

1264
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: me like feel feel anything.

1265
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 2: Give me one word.

1266
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: I can't remember. There's books in here, somewhere I've got

1267
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: written down. I'll find it.

1268
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 2: I'm interested to read that book.

1269
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: Weird cat. That's like the weird the weird superstitions of players,

1270
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: Like players are always writing stuff, getting strapped a certain way,

1271
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: writing stuff on their wrists so that they can look

1272
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: at it to try to get emotion out of themselves.

1273
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 2: Like do you listen before the game? Do you listen

1274
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 2: to music? Do you sleep? What is no?

1275
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 3: I I can't never sleep before games. My brother's the

1276
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 3: opposite of the room with Jake, and he's too any

1277
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 3: opportunities to sleep. So yeah, but I don't listen to

1278
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 3: much music.

1279
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you do? Just sit there and chill chat.

1280
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 3: To the other bloke chat. Yeah, doing a fair bit

1281
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 3: of prep to get ready.

1282
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 2: How long did it take as far as the first

1283
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 2: grader to find your voice as a leader? Tom, when

1284
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: you could sit there and actually you felt comfortable you're

1285
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 2: giving a bloke a decent spray, whether it trained or

1286
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 2: in a game.

1287
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably like the first couple of years I wouldn't

1288
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 3: have had that. That's when I started playing fullback. And

1289
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 3: you know, Brett stood around that was still at the

1290
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 3: club and he kind of you know, taught me through

1291
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 3: that and like because he was someone who was a

1292
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,919
Speaker 3: very big talker and not didn't abuse people, but would

1293
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 3: tell you if you're not doing something right, you know,

1294
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 3: So he kind of taught me that. It was kind

1295
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 3: of a crime in his fullback you need to be

1296
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 3: able to do it to you know, set the line

1297
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 3: and stuff. And you know, on the back of that,

1298
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 3: like and then probably in that you know, twenty seven

1299
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 3: world couples been around Belli Sa who someone's a really

1300
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 3: big talker as well. So you've got those two guys

1301
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 3: who we tore the best fullbacks ever to play, and

1302
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 3: they're doing it so kind of learned that you need

1303
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 3: to do it if you want to be the best.

1304
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 2: What Tom just sitting there, he said, Brett Stewart manly,

1305
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to think. I don't know if there's

1306
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 2: any other clubs in the history of the game that

1307
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 2: had a procession of just unbelievable fullbacks. So you go

1308
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 2: from gray Meaty into a bloke like I'm trying to think,

1309
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to forget one here. That's that right in

1310
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 2: the middle of it. But like it went to Blake,

1311
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 2: like Matthew Ridge who came over from him, was coming

1312
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 2: from the All Blacks in New Zealand and was great,

1313
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 2: probably big best competitor I ever played against. Then you're

1314
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: going to Brett Stewart, and then you're going to like Tom.

1315
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 2: It's been pretty amazing processions. Yeah, so Snake, he's been

1316
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 2: a big had a big impact on your.

1317
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 3: Career mentor Yeah. I remember growing up just watching him

1318
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 3: play and he was unbelievable. Yeah, unbelievable.

1319
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: Good good fullbacks follow like you look at some good

1320
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: fullbacks always follow good fullbacks because they have people's like

1321
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: you would. I'm sure in your early days would have

1322
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: learned fucking heaps of snake. You would have been hands

1323
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: on with you so many times.

1324
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, massively, like and it's a it's funny like when

1325
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 3: I first plaid coming to first going, you know, your

1326
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 3: players playing on the wing, playing in the centers, and

1327
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 3: probably didn't didn't really want to play for that because

1328
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 3: I was that nervous kid that didn't want to be

1329
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 3: in a position that you know, you have to go

1330
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 3: out there and talk more and you're more involved and

1331
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 3: more of a responsibility.

1332
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 2: Yep.

1333
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, having someone like him around talking to your

1334
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 3: own and helping you through that was I needed it. Yeah.

1335
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: Well, if the only other club I can think of,

1336
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: like you said, that's had that procession would be the

1337
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: Melbourne Storm of the modern day Melton Storm. Following Billy Slady.

1338
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 2: He got he had Robbie Ross to start with, he

1339
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 2: played for Australia, who was Newcastleboy, incredible, best support player,

1340
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 2: I reckon he and Terry Lamb best support players over

1341
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 2: soon then and into of course Billy and then you've

1342
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 2: got Paps and now.

1343
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 3: Monster played for.

1344
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: From Munster to Jerome Hughes to Scott drink Water to

1345
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: perhaps Yeah, Nico Papps and then even now saw a

1346
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: far logo, who is fucking electric back there like he's

1347
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: he's almost keeping keeping Paps out of the spot.

1348
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 2: Tim to finish with, let's have teammates and opponent's favorite

1349
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 2: all time teammate at club.

1350
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 3: Level Karen Forren.

1351
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 2: Yeah right soon excited the extended deal. Now what about that?

1352
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 2: It's amazing signed.

1353
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 3: He's playing some great footage. Just great guy, so passionate

1354
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 3: and goes so hard YouTube.

1355
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: But you two had on that left edge that year YouTube,

1356
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: you had a very He complimented your game very well

1357
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: with Yeah, yeah, you know the shapes that he played,

1358
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: how straight he played, He opened up your game so much.

1359
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 3: Definitely, definitely was one of the best players I played

1360
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 3: with as well. But just so you know, when you've

1361
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 3: got a good guy that goes on and just cares

1362
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 3: that much, it's yeah, easy chose someone, Tommy.

1363
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 2: What about a wrap level you played.

1364
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 3: With, probably go boyd Cordner just the way he played

1365
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 3: the game.

1366
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 2: The toughest to pay it.

1367
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 3: Probably say Cam Smith in the fact that just whenever

1368
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 3: you come up against him, you knew you would as

1369
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 3: a fullback.

1370
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, did he catch out a lot into his kicking game. Yeah,

1371
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: he's the worst.

1372
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 3: One of his milestone games could have been under fifty

1373
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 3: or five hundred whatever it was.

1374
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: I think it was four hundreds at Amy Park Yep, yeah,

1375
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: it's the four hundred was.

1376
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 3: The week before he kind of come off with a

1377
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 3: saw pack and hope to have a week off and

1378
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 3: he didn't, and he absolutely just the shreds.

1379
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 2: It's amazing that that Queen's land trait. It's a Queen's

1380
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 2: land trait they have at original level whenever they're under pressure.

1381
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 2: You know smith he used to jump out on his

1382
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 2: left foot and just go whack down the field. They

1383
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 2: have a massive kick chase and just trapping New South

1384
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 2: Wales down. You see that with Chairs now, Yeah, that's

1385
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 2: that's there. That's their staple when they're under pressure, how

1386
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 2: to swing things around.

1387
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you look at Smithy and Chairs probably the two

1388
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: best ever early kick kicking like Spye players in the game.

1389
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 2: What about Tom your worst roommate you've had.

1390
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 3: I've had joke for a very long time and you

1391
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 3: don't really get my roommates in Origin, but being in

1392
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 3: camp the worst person being in camp with James mulaney

1393
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 3: just big. Getting away from it every opportunity. I find

1394
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 3: himilarious at the start, but by the end of the

1395
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 3: six weeks.

1396
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: Was he Pepper and your like? Was he as a

1397
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: young bloke? Was he going after you put it on

1398
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: your Yeah, he's not missing you.

1399
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 2: Wendall used to be one of those you go away

1400
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 2: on tour with Wendell. The first two weeks were great fun.

1401
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 2: The next two weeks, whoever Wendell was you getting? I'm

1402
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 2: going to get it?

1403
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: Was just full on, relentless.

1404
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 2: What about teammate who was best to have a night

1405
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 2: out with?

1406
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 3: Tom probably spoke about him but before Bud Parker. Yeah,

1407
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 3: good fun. He's he's hilarious, hilarious. You just sit there

1408
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 3: and watching listen to him talk the whole time.

1409
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's one of those blokes where you can just

1410
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: people watch it and he just makes you laugh based

1411
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: on nothing he's actually doing. But just like his facial expression.

1412
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 2: He nearly ruined Michael's career. Remember, was just charging for everyone.

1413
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 3: He's an unbelievable player, Like everyone givesh it on him,

1414
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 3: but he's played over a hundred games and very well.

1415
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, we used to.

1416
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 2: Watch when he hit when old Hank Scorpio hit seb

1417
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 2: that night cooked his leak. Seve was a shell of

1418
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 2: a player for the next six months.

1419
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was Scorpio. He was fully hang scorpio. Tell

1420
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: you what a bloke who's also tough to be missed

1421
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: out there?

1422
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 3: Who is?

1423
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: Who is? I would undercover hilarious bloke. Not many people

1424
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: would see it. Lucky Croaker. Yeah, he's he's dark, dark, funny. Yeah,

1425
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: good back, No, no, just his humor is so dark,

1426
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: but he's just so funny, Like he's just got that

1427
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: dry humor where you'd be sitting there and you'd ever

1428
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: to be drinking and then after a few he'd just

1429
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: get like a little bit belligerent and just start going after.

1430
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 2: Someone with you.

1431
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 3: One person one night would just get hammered and they

1432
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 3: might have not even done anything. He would just be

1433
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 3: into him.

1434
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 2: Finally, teammate, you never ever wanted to have another night

1435
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 2: out with.

1436
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 3: Former teammates? Yeah, yeah, that's fine, teammate, Who's Who's Actually

1437
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 3: the last night out I had with you was horrible?

1438
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: Which one was the golf golf trip.

1439
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 3: I've got video footage of him and it was not good.

1440
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we had. Yeah, we had. It was

1441
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: after mad Monday. It was like a golf trip a

1442
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: couple of days away up the Central coast. That wasn't

1443
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: that was? That was one of my Well at this stage,

1444
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: you know, I'd really let my hair down. I knew

1445
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: it was the last time going around, so I wanted

1446
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: to go out with a bang, and you did exactly that.

1447
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: I may have taken it to Tommy.

1448
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 2: Look, mate, we've taken up enough your time. Keep you

1449
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 2: on to do a couple of quick menus or don let's.

1450
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 1: Take it too much time. You know what I want

1451
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: to do. Just before you go, though, can we do

1452
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: start of origin predictions?

1453
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1454
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: Coming into the game.

1455
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 3: My prediction news to win twenty eight twelve.

1456
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 2: Yep.

1457
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: The match. Edwards, Oh yeah, okay, he was I thought.

1458
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 3: He was unbelievable. Game two he brought the war back.

1459
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 3: I think you really suit that.

1460
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 2: For the opposition middles Dylan Edwards. Just like it's like

1461
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 2: death by a thousand cuts.

1462
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 3: It's just non stop, just always beat someone, always beat someone.

1463
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 2: Always spinning and beating blokes on his feet and that's it.

1464
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 2: Lot big blokes, big middle defenders. Nothing tirees, tires amount

1465
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 2: like missing tackles in the middle.

1466
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: Him and Bryan Tod does the same thing too, just

1467
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: always happens to find his front and just leave someone.

1468
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 2: I'll watched him the other night watching Penrith and like, okay,

1469
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 2: we spoke before, but mathematical equation. Watching how they build

1470
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 2: a performance is like mathematical equations. They held the ball,

1471
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 2: they controlled it right. I reckon for the entire game.

1472
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 2: I reckon eighty percent of their attacking sequences and finished

1473
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 2: with inside balls, making the opposition, made tackles and they

1474
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 2: just kept doing it relentlessly. And then they just turned

1475
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 2: the ball over. And say to Brisbane, they brering off

1476
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 2: your own line. And that's why when you're watching big

1477
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 2: games and like the Grand Final last year, teams collapse

1478
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 2: in the last twenty minutes because there's just there's nothing

1479
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 2: left in the teak.

1480
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 3: Brisbane played that well too, they beat anyone else that night. Yeah,

1481
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 3: but they just that's just what they do.

1482
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know what, You've played a lot of

1483
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: footy with Nathan Cleary watching the Grand Final last year,

1484
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: what did you expect that kind of thing? Because you've

1485
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: played a heap of origin with him, did you expect

1486
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: that kind of performance from him in that second half?

1487
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 3: Oh? Look to be honest with your twenty to go.

1488
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 3: I thought that done, but it's probably my bath for

1489
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 3: counting now, like a champion that he is. Yeah, so

1490
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 3: like yeah, if you know him, you know that he's

1491
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 3: got that, he's capable of that. Yeah.

1492
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,479
Speaker 2: When that when you set up that first trying, Yeah,

1493
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 2: and you just see all of sudden Brisbanees asked to

1494
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 2: start to tighten a little bit.

1495
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 3: I was watching from Vietnam of all places, so it's

1496
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 3: good watch. I'm good mate to the Luke Garna. So

1497
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 3: I was cheering from.

1498
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, true played he played really really.

1499
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: I've seen guards last night. Actually he was down at

1500
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: Ned Brockman's documentary What's the Guns? Yeah, he's just lead

1501
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: to Ned Brockman, all garns, mate, the whole people. What

1502
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: are you doing out of Penrith? Who's your predictions made?

1503
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 3: That's what he's doing out there.

1504
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: That's right, that's true, right left, that's true. That's the Tiger.

1505
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 2: I think. I think New South Wales twenty six eighteen

1506
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 2: Men of the Match, I'll go Payne has.

1507
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to go New South Wales. I'm

1508
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: going to say it is so damn close. I'm going

1509
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: to say twenty one twenty Mitchell Moses field goal, Man

1510
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: of the Match. I'm going to say, Liam Martin.

1511
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 3: Why you're closing You're going to envision it or something?

1512
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Was it that your opinion means more than ours, just

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Speaker 2: like you were channeling its? So this is actually going

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Speaker 2: to happen. I'm controlling the result.

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Speaker 1: Tom will be able to come in on this. It's

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Speaker 1: a it's a mental practice called visualization. I was visualizing

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Speaker 1: it and then I put it out in the universe.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm manifesting it.

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Speaker 2: Lovely. I like it. Tommy Travovich, mate, legend.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, let's go have a drink maybe, all right,