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Speaker 1: The prime suspect the cold case murder of Rochelle Childs

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Speaker 1: has reportedly been found dead in Thailand, sixty nine year

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Speaker 1: likely responsible for the two thousand and one murder of

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Speaker 1: twenty three year old Rochelle Childs. It's unclear exactly when

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Speaker 1: and how he died. Welcome to our latest bonus episode

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Speaker 1: of Dear Rochelle. I'm your host Ashley Hanson. On Friday

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Speaker 1: the eighteenth of July ten am local time in Pouquet, Thailand,

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Speaker 1: the body of key murder suspect Kevin Stephen Carell was

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Speaker 1: discovered inside his Botong hotel room. When the news of

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Speaker 1: his death filtered back to Australia, many people were left stunned.

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Speaker 1: When Thai police realized he was a murder suspect in Australia,

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Speaker 1: they expedited his autopsy. The cause of his death can

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Speaker 1: now be revealed. The initial post mortem reports nine year

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Speaker 1: old died following a cardiac arrest. He'd been dead for

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours before his body was found. It's believed

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Speaker 1: Kevin complained of chest pain in the days leading up

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Speaker 1: to his death while holidaying in the Red Light district

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Speaker 1: in Poquette Hotel. Staff say he was found alone and

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Speaker 1: unresponsive on the bathroom floor. Police say there was a

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Speaker 1: bowl of wet towels in his bedroom. This is known

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Speaker 1: to alleviate chess paint. His family is receiving consular assistance

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Speaker 1: from the Australian Embassy and they will now have to

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Speaker 1: decide what to do with his body. But what does

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Speaker 1: Kevin's death mean for Rochelle's case? There are so many

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Speaker 1: people who feel at a loss right now. His daughter

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Speaker 1: Jazz explains how she found out.

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Speaker 2: So, my brother was trying to call me on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: We haven't spoken in quite some time, and I assumed

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Speaker 2: it was in relation to our rift, and I wasn't

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Speaker 3: And what did you do after you heard that news?

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Speaker 2: I ran Christie And it's funny. I was messaging her

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Speaker 2: And in that time I called other victims of my

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Speaker 2: dads who don't want to be named, and had a

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Speaker 2: few conversations, but I couldn't let myself cry until i'd

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Speaker 2: of the promise I had made her and we hadn't

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Speaker 3: You must be feeling a lot of mixed feelings at the.

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Speaker 2: Moment, Yeah, yeah, lots of I think the anger I

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Speaker 2: told that certain family members hope that I'm proud of

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Speaker 2: responsible for their grandfather's death. He comes from a long

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Speaker 2: line of pieces of shit. Yeah, there's been a lot

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Speaker 2: It contains me a little bit, but it's red hot rage.

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Speaker 2: But there's anger for the lack of justice for Rochelle.

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Speaker 2: There's anger at all that he's done and the way

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Speaker 2: it's just I feel really angry. But yeah, last night,

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Speaker 2: Now it's not a I don't know, it's not a

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Speaker 2: normal grief of a person losing a parent. I've grieved

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Speaker 2: and he even my children mentioned but you know, they

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Speaker 1: What do you think is your father's legacy.

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Speaker 2: I think that's what really hurts that. You know, I'm

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Speaker 2: all their good memories. But denial of the harm he did,

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Speaker 2: he's not okay. It's not right. He harmed a lot

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Speaker 2: They're allowed to be happy that he can't hurt anyone anymore.

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Speaker 1: Is there some level of satisfaction that the man who

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, for me personally, and I'm sure I'm sure

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of people think I should, that

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Speaker 2: He's taking it to his grave. To carry, and he

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Speaker 2: But every time I did, I was shut down. I

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Speaker 2: And I know he would have listened every word, and

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Speaker 2: it was the only chance I ever got to say

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Speaker 2: hard as it would have been to hear, and how

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Speaker 2: those things. It didn't change anything, and the podcast gave

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Speaker 2: me that opportunity. The exposure in his involvement with Rochelle's

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Speaker 2: death was so important for them, But my involvement is

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Speaker 2: it on a different scale. Can that make sense?

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Speaker 3: Let's hear from Rochelle's family, her mum and her sister Christy,

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Speaker 3: and what was your reaction when you heard the news?

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Speaker 4: Total complete shock. Just felt like, you know, I've been cheetedly.

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Speaker 5: I didn't really know what to feel at the time.

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Speaker 5: The first feeling I had was just concerned for Jazz,

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Speaker 5: because she must have some really conflicting feelings about her

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Speaker 5: so I was just mainly concerned for her. For me,

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Speaker 5: I didn't really know how to react to it. I

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Speaker 5: it's going to take a really long time for it

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Speaker 5: the investigation. I kind of feel like it's freedom for

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Speaker 2: Happy about that.

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Speaker 5: I'm concerned that secrets have died with him, but at

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Speaker 5: the same time, I don't think he would have shared

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Speaker 5: I'm hoping that if there was anyone who has information

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Speaker 5: guess I'm sad for his loved ones. I have no

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Speaker 1: How does it sit with you that he has taken

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Speaker 7: I hate it.

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Speaker 4: I hate the thought of that, because they may well

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Speaker 7: I don't know what to expect. A brain's just mush.

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Speaker 1: How long have you been convinced that Kevin Correll took

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Speaker 5: Probably twenty years. But as I've always said, there's always

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Speaker 5: doubt within a court of law. And it is possible

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Speaker 5: that it wasn't him, and I think we all need

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Speaker 5: he ran down her character immediately after she died and

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Speaker 5: his actions immediately after she died, it kind of screams guilt.

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Speaker 5: So that's really hard to ignore. So to be convinced

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Speaker 5: nearly one hundred percent, to be convinced at least ninety

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Speaker 5: and I feel like I might have failed because we

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Speaker 1: And do you believe that Kevin Correll is responsible for

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Speaker 3: How long have you believed that?

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Speaker 1: So for a very long time you've believed that he

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just too much for not to be him.

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Speaker 3: What do you think it means now for Rochelle's case.

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Speaker 7: It feels like it's just up in the air. I

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Speaker 4: I'm hoping some people will still come forward. Perhaps we're

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Speaker 5: If it was him, I think that we've probably got

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Speaker 5: the best chance now to actually get those answers because

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Speaker 5: he's not there preventing us from getting them. So if

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Speaker 5: Rachelle's on his person or with his belongings where he

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Speaker 5: story that we would never have heard had he not died.

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Speaker 5: But the fact that it's impossible for us to get

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Speaker 5: justice if he is in fact responsible for her murder, Oh,

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Speaker 5: that's just gut wrenching. I don't even have words for that.

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Speaker 5: But as for trying to find answers if he was

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Speaker 5: actually think we have more of a chance now.

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Speaker 1: Retired New South Wales detective Damien Luhne was on the

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Speaker 1: same call too to share his thoughts on the death

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Speaker 1: of Kevin Correll and how it might impact Rachelle's case.

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Speaker 9: Oh, initially I was surprised and it was a bit

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Speaker 9: of a wow moment.

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Speaker 1: The police has said they're still going to investigate Rachelle's

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Speaker 1: murder under Strikeforce t LAP. Does that give you any

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Speaker 9: Look, missus great news to hear that they're not going

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Speaker 9: to just drop the case now. I do understand that

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Speaker 9: and I'm just happy to hear that, and it should

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Speaker 9: with the strike force to be disbanded. But you know,

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Speaker 9: But I'm just glad that this is going to be continuing.

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Speaker 9: There may be other evidence that we don't know about

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Speaker 9: that homicide squad is keeping under wraps, and I can

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Speaker 9: understand those reasons why. But to get to the bottom

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Speaker 9: of everything, I think the key was to Kevin. But

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Speaker 9: he's no longer unfortunately, no longer alive, and as I said,

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Speaker 9: there'll be some things that will we just may never know,

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Speaker 9: and it's just unfortunate the family have to live through

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Speaker 10: Quite surprise, not shocked, but certainly unexpected. My mind goes

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Speaker 3: What do you think it means for a Shechelle's case.

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Speaker 10: It leaves a lot of answered questions that may be

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Speaker 10: difficult to get an answer out. There's always open that

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Speaker 10: although he's main suspect, he may have been there but

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Speaker 10: that perhaps he could have told police, but he chose

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Speaker 10: been quite deceptive about what his movements relates to Michelle

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Speaker 10: that day in that afternoon, and I just spope some

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Speaker 10: other way and get that those facts out, whether he

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Speaker 10: he was watching or following someone else. It is a

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Speaker 10: challenge is we'll have to rethink their lines of inquiry,

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Speaker 1: When you were on the case, what stood out to

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Speaker 1: you as strong evidence that pointed towards Kevin.

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Speaker 10: Strong evidence was contact with Michelle on the day of

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Speaker 10: a disappearance. His evidence that was being collated, like I've

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Speaker 10: conducted the review a year later. There's a favorite of

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Speaker 10: evidence about his movements that were suspicious. Accounts to the

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Speaker 10: which proved to be not true. They had significant weight

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Speaker 1: If Kevin was responsible for a Shechelle's murder and he

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Speaker 10: site investigation. It does come down to the inquest. In

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Speaker 10: as relevant can be heard before a magistrate for a

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Speaker 10: state coroner. But the other family can right to hold

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Speaker 1: Christie's best friend, Mindy, who's been a driving force behind

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Speaker 7: First it was shock.

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Speaker 6: Now I'm just angry.

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Speaker 3: Where does that anger come from?

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Speaker 6: Just want to answers, just we've got so far twenty

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Speaker 6: four fucking years. It's really frustrating, it's gut ranching, it's

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Speaker 6: so fucking unfair.

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Speaker 7: It's just so unfair.

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Speaker 6: I feel like he's escaped again. It doesn't matter where

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Speaker 6: this time, but still fucking got away with that, don't

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Speaker 6: have to face up to anything. Just infuriating.

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Speaker 1: So many brave women who accuse Kevin Correll of terrible

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Speaker 1: Kevin spiked her drink before stalking and threatening her.

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Speaker 7: A bit of a double edged sword.

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Speaker 3: Relieved, but not relieved for the people that.

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Speaker 11: It needed the answers. I think it's just sad to

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Speaker 11: think that it's ended at this stage this way that

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Speaker 11: it may give the opportunity for people who were frightened

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Speaker 11: which would be just amazing. I do feel that there

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Speaker 8: You know. I think that it's an awful position for

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Speaker 8: with this jazz as well. She's half broken in so

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Speaker 8: many different ways. But for me, the only thing that

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Speaker 8: I hope is that it wasn't quick, it was long,

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Speaker 8: And I hope that the last thing that he thought

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Speaker 8: of was the life that he lived on this earth

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Speaker 8: and suffered as much pain as he inflicted on other people.

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Speaker 3: How will you remember him as.

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Speaker 8: The evilest person that's ever walked the earth, just pure,

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Speaker 8: pure evil.

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Speaker 3: With no remorse for anything or anybody.

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Speaker 12: As someone who has accused Kevin of terrible crimes, stalking,

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Speaker 12: emotional abuse, You've accused him of sparking your drink and

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Speaker 12: threatening to harm you and your family, how do you

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Speaker 12: feel knowing that he's now no longer on this arch?

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Speaker 8: So immensely relieved, borderline joyful. I raised a glass of

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Speaker 8: champagne last night to the skies, thanking whoever took him

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Speaker 8: answers now, but it will. But I was joyful because

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Speaker 8: I thought, he can't do this to another person. There's

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Speaker 8: not going to be another beautiful girl hurt stalked.

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Speaker 3: Ever again.

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Speaker 7: So that was my joy.

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Speaker 3: That that part was just my joy.

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Speaker 8: And I know that sounds a terrible thing to say,

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Speaker 8: but you know, the devil has two faces, and he

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Speaker 8: definitely did.

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Speaker 1: We'll have more news to share about key suspect Kevin

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Speaker 1: Correll's death in Thailand soon. New South Welles Police say

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Speaker 1: this strifeforce investigating Rochelle's murder continues and we won't stop

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